From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 6 14:21:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15496 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12827 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:20:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: New defaults for new Kermit releases Date: 6 Mar 2001 19:20:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <983d91$cgk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In preparing the forthcoming new Kermit releases, it occurred to me that we have an opportunity to modernize Kermit's treatment of serial ports, which is still based on 1980s assumptions: . Serial ports are mostly used for direct connections . Modems have all different kinds of command sets Because of these assumptions, it has always been necessary to SET MODEM TYPE first, before opening the serial port with SET LINE, so the device-opening code invoked by SET LINE knows to set the right operating-system-specific magic bits that say "this device will be used for dialing, so don't require Carrier until later". But this confuses many people, who don't understand why the order of SET MODEM TYPE and SET LINE should matter -- especially since it doesn't matter on *some* operating systems. These days I think it is safe to say that: . Serial ports are mostly used with modems . Almost every modem supports the basic AT command set Therefore we should be able to change Kermit's default modem type from NONE to some generic kind of AT-command-set modem. If we did, then would work: set line /dev/blah set modem type usrobotics set speed 57600 dial 7654321 And this would continue to work: set modem type usrobotics set line /dev/blah set speed 57600 dial 7654321 And this would work in most cases: set line /dev/blah set speed 57600 dial 7654321 And for a direct connection: set line /dev/blah set speed 57600 connect should work as before. If there is no carrier, Kermit would complain and CONNECT would fail (unless CARRIER-WATCH was OFF). If there is Carrier, Kermit would CONNECT normally. If there was a problem, you could SET MODEM TYPE DIRECT to get around it. So far so good? Then the question is, what should the generic modem type be? We already have a GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED modem type that comes very close to fitting the bill: it uses AT commands for dialing and hanging up, etc, the basic set that is common to all modems that use AT commands. It does NOT send any commands to configure the modem's options (like flow control, data compression, etc), since these are not portable among different brands of modems. The only trouble with with GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED is that it uses AT&F to initialize the modem, which doesn't work with all modems -- for example it does not work with US Robotics. Maybe we could use ATZ instead, but we have had bad experiences with it in the past (it makes some modems reboot themselves; all their signals go off and on, which tends to cause trouble with the computer's device driver). So perhaps the best course is to (a) change GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED not to send AT&F at all and simply assume the modem is configured appropriately (as most are), and (b) make GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED the default modem type, rather than NONE. Unless anybody sees a fatal flaw in this reasoning, we'll try this in the next C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha test. While I have your attention, I should mention that I'm also planning to change the default TERMINAL BYTESIZE from 7 to 8. It has been 7 forever, based on the 1980s-era assumption that the host is likely to be using parity, but this is now almost vanishingly unlikely. Does anybody disagree? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 6 16:21:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22608 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17756 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:14:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: ddellutr@XXXenteract.com Subject: Re: New defaults for new Kermit releases Date: 6 Mar 2001 21:13:53 GMT Message-ID: <983juh$nss$1@bob.news.rcn.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On 6 Mar 2001 19:20:01 GMT, Frank da Cruz wrote: > In preparing the forthcoming new Kermit releases, it occurred to me that > we have an opportunity to modernize Kermit's treatment of serial ports, >... Whatever you do, please make sure that low-level control of the modem by the user (this is in VMS): set dial speed-matching off set carrier-watch off set line set flow-control keep and then use of output commands to set up the modem (for example): out atz\13 out ats2=0\13 out atdt\13 still works. Also, please note that AT&F loads a factory configuration, while ATZ loads a user stored configuration and resets the modem. -- Dale Dellutri From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 6 16:21:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22628 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17943 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:20:15 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: New defaults for new Kermit releases Date: 6 Mar 2001 21:20:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <983kae$hgl$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <983juh$nss$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: : On 6 Mar 2001 19:20:01 GMT, Frank da Cruz wrote: : > In preparing the forthcoming new Kermit releases, it occurred to me that : > we have an opportunity to modernize Kermit's treatment of serial ports, : >... : : Whatever you do, please make sure that low-level control of the modem : by the user (this is in VMS): : ... : still works. : Of course. : Also, please note that AT&F loads a factory configuration, while ATZ : loads a user stored configuration and resets the modem. : All of this can vary from one modem to another, so the default generic type won't do any of this -- it will just have to assume that the modem is already configured the way the user wants it to be. This would cause a problem only if the user said "set line" and "dial" without ever specifying a modem type, something which is currently not possible, therefore it shouldn't break anything. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 6 16:21:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22632 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17735 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:13:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: New defaults for new Kermit releases Date: 6 Mar 2001 21:05:24 GMT Organization: Echelon bv Consultancy & Software Development Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:20:01, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > So perhaps the best course is to (a) change GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED not to send > AT&F at all and simply assume the modem is configured appropriately (as > most are), and (b) make GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED the default modem type, rather > than NONE. Sounds good to me. This works for people that configure their modems and it works for most people that don't. The latter will be used to have to type in their modem brand anyway, so this isn't going to break much. > While I have your attention, I should mention that I'm also planning to > change the default TERMINAL BYTESIZE from 7 to 8. It has been 7 forever, > based on the 1980s-era assumption that the host is likely to be using > parity, but this is now almost vanishingly unlikely. Does anybody > disagree? Nope. Can't remember the last time I saw a device that needed 7+parity. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | web: www.echelon.nl ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 36 222 From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 6 20:21:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03363 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27347 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:55:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@82.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: New defaults for new Kermit releases Date: 7 Mar 2001 00:54:57 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Message-ID: <9840t1$4k6$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu : wrote: : : Also, please note that AT&F loads a factory configuration, while ATZ : : loads a user stored configuration and resets the modem. Frank da Cruz wrote: : All of this can vary from one modem to another, so the default generic : type won't do any of this -- it will just have to assume that the modem : is already configured the way the user wants it to be. Which also used to be a problem. The default modem out of the box wasn't configured right. Most of them are far better now. I agree with your new defaults: Hayes AT for the command set, no reset/programming/factory defaults set without being explicitly asked for. Now, if I could just find a modem in this new building... ;-) I have to wait until I get home to make a dialup call into my old work. No modems in the building, and only one analog line, on the fax machine. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 7 18:21:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14637 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11630 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:00:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Linux as terminal emulator. Date: 7 Mar 2001 23:00:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <986eit$bbb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3AA6BD0B.AE2D3E98@adelaide.edu.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Hi Frank, I'm a little puzzled as to why the carriage return character : is said to be ASCII 15 in both formats of the paper. Isn't the carriage : return ASCII 13 (unless one is using octal representation)? : It was a long time ago -- everybody spoke octal in those days :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 7 18:21:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14641 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11527 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:58:30 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3AA6BD0B.AE2D3E98@adelaide.edu.au> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:28:19 +1030 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: The University of Adelaide Subject: Re: Linux as terminal emulator. To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi Frank, I'm a little puzzled as to why the carriage return character is said to be ASCII 15 in both formats of the paper. Isn't the carriage return ASCII 13 (unless one is using octal representation)? Regards, Arthur. Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article , > Francis R Bridge {BRIDGE1} wrote: > : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > : > By the way, we don't sit in a maze of cubicles either. Take a look: > : > > : > http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/timeline.html > : > : Quite interesting! You mention the first Kermit article appeared in BYTE > : magazine in June and July of 1984. Are reprints of that article available? > : > Not exactly reprints, but: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/byte.txt <-- plain text > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/byte.ps <-- postscript > > - Frank -- Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 http://online.adelaide.edu.au/doclib.nsf/Refs/Official_Email_Disclaimer ----------------------------------------------------------- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please do not read, save, forward, disclose, or copy the contents of this email. If this email has been sent to you in please notify the sender by reply email and delete this email and any copies or links to this email immediately from your system. No representation is made that this email is free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 7 19:51:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04977 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15437 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:31:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Linux as terminal emulator. Message-ID: Date: 7 Mar 01 17:02:43 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3AA6BD0B.AE2D3E98@adelaide.edu.au>, Arthur Marsh writes: > Hi Frank, I'm a little puzzled as to why the carriage return character > is said to be ASCII 15 in both formats of the paper. Isn't the carriage > return ASCII 13 (unless one is using octal representation)? > > Regards, > > Arthur. ---------- In olden tymes big iron spoke in six bit units, and we employed Octal to represent the material. None of this late-comer hex stuff. So 015 (in C-speak) has decimal value 13. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 9 11:21:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27048 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07900 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:59:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: telnet file transfer Date: 9 Mar 2001 15:59:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98aukp$7mq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98aqm1$289$1@testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca>, Amol Shukla wrote: : i want to use telnet for transferring files from a host that doesn't run : a ftp daemon.. i want to telnet to a host, and move files around : providing an interface like: : : cp : and vice-versa : : i can't use http,ftp,ssl, or ssh for this, only telnet/rlogin. can anyone : suggest as to how i may do this? is there a 3rd party software or an api : which provides similar functionality? : Yes, Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html It's a telnet and rlogin client with built-in file-transfer and scripting capabilities: : also i can't run any of my software : on the server, so i can't establish a socket & send the file (bytes) over : the network. : If the server already has Kermit installed, you can transfer text and binary files with Kermit protocol. If it doesn't, you can "push" text files with Kermit's TRANSMIT command, which should be reliable enough over a Telnet connection, and you can "pull" them using Kermit's session log. Or if the server has rz/sz installed, and you also have them on your local computer, then Kermit can use them as "external protocols" and you can transfer files that way. OR... You can install Kermit on the server yourself. If you can log in to the server and "cat > foo", then you can upload a small uuencoded Kermit protocol program, uudecode it, and off you go. For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html Particularly the bootstrapping section at the end. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html#boot - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 9 11:21:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27057 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08778 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:17:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: secure ftp batch binaries/scripts Date: 9 Mar 2001 16:17:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98avmb$8i6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3aa8f3c4.1027667@jekyl.ab.tac.net>, Jeff K wrote: : On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:58:44 GMT, Rick Miller : wrote: : >Jeff Krintila wrote: : >> I'm currently admin'ing approximately 15 Solaris 2.6 machines. : >> I have a requirement to transfer sensitive from 14 of the "client" : >> machines to the "server" machine. I was hoping someone would have : >> experience with an ftp-like program/script that functions like scp : >> (non-clear-text user/password authentication and encrypted data). : > : >Why not use scp or sftp? : > : If I could script scp I would LOVE to do that. scp seems to clear some : buffer that accepts the password for the user ID that I'm using to : transfer the file with. Do you have a script that uses scp? : There seems to be an ever-increasing need for network clients that are both secure and scriptable. FTP is a prominent case in point; Telnet is another. The Kermit Project at Columbia University has spent the last several years adding secure authentication and encryption protocols (Kerberos IV, Kerberos V, SRP, SSL/TLS) to its communications software to allow a level of privacy not available with ordinary clients, nor even with SSH and its relatives. Since the software was already inherently scriptable, the result was a secure, scriptable Telnet (and Rlogin) client that could also transfer and manage files with Kermit protocol. You can see sample applications here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html This base was a natural fit for an FTP client, which was developed over the past few months and is now available for testing: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html I think you will find that it has everything you are looking for: security, scriptability, as well as basic functionality you just won't find in any other FTP client. A tutorial on scripting FTP is available here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html And a guide to sources for secure Telnet (and FTP) servers is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 9 11:51:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22451 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09359 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:28:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: New Kermit FTP Site Date: 9 Mar 2001 16:28:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98b0br$94c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu The Kermit Project's ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu has been in service for many years and is due for an upgrade. A new, parallel ftp service has been installed here: ftp://ftp.kermit.columbia.edu The primary benefits of the new server are greater speed and greater disk capacity. The directory structure and filenames are identical. Please give the new server a spin and report any problems to kermit-support@columbia.edu. After a trial period, the new server will take over the kermit.columbia.edu and ftp.columbia.edu hostnames; thus old scripts, links, etc, will reach the new server automatically. Incidentally, the new FTP site was populated entirely by Kermit's new FTP client, and is kept in sync with the primary server by Kermit scripts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 9 14:51:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09622 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18231 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:48:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: awouk@blackhole.nyx.net (arthur wouk) Subject: can ckermit cause 'stickyness'? Organization: Nyx net, The Spirit of the Night Message-ID: <984170874.191669@irys.nyx.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:48:43 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu i lost my dedicated phone line for a period yesterday, and eventually the phone company fixed the problem. but ever since i have a new one, which i call stickyness. for periods, there is no response to the keyboard, and then suddenly it seems to connect and send a number of key strokes really quickly. comes and goes without any warning. but the phone line does not drop out! it happens at two different ISPs. i am running c-kermit 7.0.196 on a solaris 2.4 - sparc 2. happens both during the day and late at night, when the ISPs are not heavily loaded. does this seem to mean that the phone system is misbehaving, or does it seem to be my interaction with the ISPs? anyone have a clue? -- Existentialism means no one can take a bath for you. - Delmore Schwartz: to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 9 17:51:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04991 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25193 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:35:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: can ckermit cause 'stickyness'? Date: 9 Mar 2001 22:35:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98blrl$oj6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <984170874.191669@irys.nyx.net>, arthur wouk wrote: : i lost my dedicated phone line for a period yesterday, and eventually : the phone company fixed the problem. but ever since i have a new one, : which i call stickyness. for periods, there is no response to the : keyboard, and then suddenly it seems to connect and send a number of key : strokes really quickly. comes and goes without any warning. but the : phone line does not drop out! : : it happens at two different ISPs. : : i am running c-kermit 7.0.196 on a solaris 2.4 - sparc 2. : : happens both during the day and late at night, when the ISPs are not : heavily loaded. : : does this seem to mean that the phone system is misbehaving, or does : it seem to be my interaction with the ISPs? anyone have a clue? Except for the fact that you say the phone line is dedicated, this sounds very much like modem retraining due to line noise. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 9 18:21:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14852 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27003 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:16:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: awouk@blackhole.nyx.net (arthur wouk) Subject: Re: can ckermit cause 'stickyness'? Organization: Nyx net, The Spirit of the Night Message-ID: <984183330.215894@irys.nyx.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:16:19 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98blrl$oj6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: :In article <984170874.191669@irys.nyx.net>, :arthur wouk wrote: :: i lost my dedicated phone line for a period yesterday, and eventually :: the phone company fixed the problem. but ever since i have a new one, :: which i call stickyness. for periods, there is no response to the :: keyboard, and then suddenly it seems to connect and send a number of key :: strokes really quickly. comes and goes without any warning. but the :: phone line does not drop out! :: :: it happens at two different ISPs. :: :: i am running c-kermit 7.0.196 on a solaris 2.4 - sparc 2. :: :: happens both during the day and late at night, when the ISPs are not :: heavily loaded. :: :: does this seem to mean that the phone system is misbehaving, or does :: it seem to be my interaction with the ISPs? anyone have a clue? : :Except for the fact that you say the phone line is dedicated, this :sounds very much like modem retraining due to line noise. : or, as they say, duelling modems. our phone service provider, formerly uswest (known locally as usworst) has changed over (by being bought out) to qwest (known locally as qworst). service has probably dis-improved, as we say locally. i have invented a new protmanteau word to cover it all - 'deproved'. shorter and describes qworst. i got another service man out this afternoon, and he seems to have made things a little better. my fingers are crossed. -- Existentialism means no one can take a bath for you. - Delmore Schwartz: to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 11 22:21:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23807 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22823 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:00:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: gazelle@yin.interaccess.com (Kenny McCormack) Subject: Re: secure ftp batch binaries/scripts Date: 11 Mar 2001 20:58:30 -0600 Organization: The official candy of the new Millennium Message-ID: <98he0m$5d8$1@yin.interaccess.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98avmb$8i6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: ... >There seems to be an ever-increasing need for network clients that are >both secure and scriptable. FTP is a prominent case in point; Telnet is >another. > >The Kermit Project at Columbia University has spent the last several years >adding secure authentication and encryption protocols (Kerberos IV, >Kerberos V, SRP, SSL/TLS) to its communications software to allow a level >of privacy not available with ordinary clients, nor even with SSH and its >relatives. Since the software was already inherently scriptable, the >result was a secure, scriptable Telnet (and Rlogin) client that could also >transfer and manage files with Kermit protocol. This is very interesting. Normally, I am a little sceptical of these frequent "Kermit can do anything" posts, but this one is very intriguing because it looks pretty much "ready to go". SSH (the other main contender) has always looked really complicated to setup - along with the "You can't really get binaries for it, you have to get /dev/(r)random, you have to deal with export restrictions, you have to deal with the RSA patent, etc, etc, etc" bulls**t. So, convince me. Is it really straightforward to do it with Kermit? From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 11 23:21:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29945 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25087 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:57:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: secure ftp batch binaries/scripts Date: 12 Mar 2001 03:57:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98hhft$ofs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98he0m$5d8$1@yin.interaccess.com>, Kenny McCormack wrote: : : This is very interesting. Normally, I am a little sceptical of these : frequent "Kermit can do anything" posts, but this one is very intriguing : because it looks pretty much "ready to go". SSH (the other main contender) : has always looked really complicated to setup - along with the "You can't : really get binaries for it, you have to get /dev/(r)random, you have to deal : with export restrictions, you have to deal with the RSA patent, etc, etc, etc" : bulls**t. : : So, convince me. Is it really straightforward to do it with Kermit? All of the issues with /dev/random, export issues, patents are the same. You can't avoid them regardless of which security protocols you want to use. As for your issues: . A source of random data is required for any secure connections because otherwise your session keys are guessable . The RSA patent is expired and is no longer a restriction . Export rules on open source products such as C-Kermit no longer restrict their exportation from the U.S. in source code form. . Exportation of binaries may or may not be permissible without an exemption. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 12 08:51:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29920 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04718 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:31:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: gazelle@yin.interaccess.com (Kenny McCormack) Subject: Re: secure ftp batch binaries/scripts Date: 12 Mar 2001 07:29:38 -0600 Organization: The official candy of the new Millennium Message-ID: <98ij02$g68$1@yin.interaccess.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98hhft$ofs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >In article <98he0m$5d8$1@yin.interaccess.com>, >Kenny McCormack wrote: >: >: This is very interesting. Normally, I am a little sceptical of >: these frequent "Kermit can do anything" posts, but this one is very >: intriguing because it looks pretty much "ready to go". SSH (the >: other main contender) has always looked really complicated to setup - >: along with the "You can't really get binaries for it, you have to get >: /dev/(r)random, you have to deal with export restrictions, you have >: to deal with the RSA patent, etc, etc, etc" bulls**t. >: >: So, convince me. Is it really straightforward to do it with Kermit? > >All of the issues with /dev/random, export issues, patents are the same. >You can't avoid them regardless of which security protocols you want to use. OK - thanks for the honest answer. I guess it is still too complicated to deal with. But I will check it out (the Kermit web page and stuff related to this), anwyay. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 12 09:21:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29733 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05692 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:54:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: secure ftp batch binaries/scripts Date: 12 Mar 2001 13:54:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98iket$5hq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98ij02$g68$1@yin.interaccess.com>, Kenny McCormack wrote: : >All of the issues with /dev/random, export issues, patents are the same. : >You can't avoid them regardless of which security protocols you want to use. : : OK - thanks for the honest answer. I guess it is still too complicated to : deal with. But I will check it out (the Kermit web page and stuff related : to this), anwyay. I'm not sure I understand what is so complicated to deal with? Most operating systems shipped in the last few years contain some form of random data source. If the one you are using does not, then installing one is not too difficult. As for the other items on your list, unless you are planning on embedding the protocol into a closed source commercial application they should not have an impact on you. As for getting pre-built binaries. It is crucial when using Unix to build binaries on your machine. Only this way will you be sure that the binaries where built to use the libraries that you have installed on your system and how you have your system configured. One item that needs to be known is the type of password files that you are using? Are you using Shadow Password files or EPS? Are you using PAM? Which security systems do you have installed on your machine? OpenSSL MIT Kerberos 4 MIT Kerberos 5 MIT Kerberos 5 with Kerberos 4 compatibility Heimdal Kerberos Secure Remote Password Which version of each of these libraries? Distributing and supporting pre-built packages is difficult. But building a binary on an individual system is not. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 12 11:51:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19280 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12863 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:28:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: secure ftp batch binaries/scripts Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:28:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98iteo$chs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98ij02$g68$1@yin.interaccess.com>, Kenny McCormack wrote: : In article <98hhft$ofs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, : Jeffrey Altman wrote: : >In article <98he0m$5d8$1@yin.interaccess.com>, : >Kenny McCormack wrote: : >: : >: This is very interesting. Normally, I am a little sceptical of : >: these frequent "Kermit can do anything" posts, but this one is very : >: intriguing because it looks pretty much "ready to go". SSH (the : >: other main contender) has always looked really complicated to setup - : >: along with the "You can't really get binaries for it, you have to get : >: /dev/(r)random, you have to deal with export restrictions, you have : >: to deal with the RSA patent, etc, etc, etc" bulls**t. : >: : >: So, convince me. Is it really straightforward to do it with Kermit? : > : >All of the issues with /dev/random, export issues, patents are the same. : >You can't avoid them regardless of which security protocols you want to use. : : OK - thanks for the honest answer. I guess it is still too complicated to : deal with. But I will check it out (the Kermit web page and stuff related : to this), anwyay. : Yes, security is indeed complicated. I think the big difference between Kermit and most of the other suppliers of secure clients is that you can talk to the developers, and they (we) will help you get it together and working. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 12 17:51:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00840 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29277 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:44:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: David Stow Subject: MSKermit TCP rwin? Date: 12 Mar 2001 22:35:48 GMT Organization: Vancouver CommunityNet Message-ID: <98jj04$i3o$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu When I use MSKermit or NCSA Telnet over DOSPPPD, I get half a screen full of information, a pause, and then the second half of the screen. (Both programs are using mss=1460). The problem goes away in NCSA Telnet when I set rwin=4096, but setting Kermit's sliding windows has no effect. Is this because the NCSA window is at the TCP level and the Kermit window is at the application level? Does MSKermit's TCP have a setting comparable to NCSA Telnet's rwin=? Thanks, David Stow From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 12 21:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07145 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08417 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:31:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: MSKermit TCP rwin? Message-ID: Date: 12 Mar 01 19:07:42 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98jj04$i3o$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow writes: > When I use MSKermit or NCSA Telnet over DOSPPPD, I get half a screen full > of information, a pause, and then the second half of the screen. (Both > programs are using mss=1460). The problem goes away in NCSA Telnet when I > set rwin=4096, but setting Kermit's sliding windows has no effect. > > Is this because the NCSA window is at the TCP level and the Kermit window > is at the application level? Does MSKermit's TCP have a setting > comparable to NCSA Telnet's rwin=? > > Thanks, > David Stow --------- The sliding window for Kermit is for the Kermit protocol, not for the underlying transport mechanism (whatever that may be, and there are lots of choices). MSK has fixed sizes for TCP transmit and receive buffering, 4KB each direction for each of up to six simultaneous sessions and still leave memory for non-Kermit things. It also has 6KB of receive packet buffering before material enters the TCP/IP stack. The problem has the hallmarks of path delay between MSK and the app at the far end of the link. The PPP driver may well be the culprit because there are no pauses when working over Ethernet. I can't help with the PPP driver, but you might look at it for tuning knobs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 13 12:21:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29051 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12658 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:05:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Secure Telnet Using C-Kermit 7.1 With Stunnel Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:05:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98ljvu$cbc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Kirk Turner-Rustin of Ohio Wesleyan University: http://www.owu.edu has written a case study, "Secure Telnet Using C-Kermit 7.1 With Stunnel", summarizing the steps taken at Ohio Wesleyan University to set up secure SSL/TLS Telnet communication between the secure C-Kermit 7.1 Telnet client and an ordinary Telnet server wrapped with Stunnel. Notes are also included on using Kermit 95 on Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000 as the client. The study is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case21.html Other links: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck71.html C-Kermit 7.1 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Kermit 95 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html Secure Telnet and FTP servers http://www.stunnel.org/ Stunnel Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 13 17:21:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14242 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25223 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:52:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: More fun with dates Date: 13 Mar 2001 21:52:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98m4rr$ok4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu This month's Scientific American (March 2001, p.80) includes an article "Easter as a Quasicrystal" by Ian Stewart, in which the calculation of the date of Easter is explained (and then graphed and compared to a crystalline lattice). A ten-step algorithm is given for calculating the Gregorian date of Easter in any given year that is "easy to program on a computer"). Here's an illustration of how to do it in C-Kermit 7.1, using its new LISP-like S-expression feature: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit + dcl \&m[] = Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec if ( not def \%1 || not numeric \%1 ) exit 1 Usage: \%0 year if ( < \%1 1900 || > \%1 2199 ) exit 1 "\0: 1900 <= Year < 2100" (setq x \%1) (setq a (mod x 19) b (truncate (/ x 100)) c (mod x 100)) (setq d (truncate (/ b 4)) e (mod b 4)) (setq g (truncate (/ (+ (* 8 b) 13) 25))) (setq h (mod (+ (* a 19) b (- d) (- g) 15) 30)) (setq m (truncate (/ (+ a (* h 11)) 319))) (setq j (truncate (/ c 4)) k (truncate (mod c 4))) (setq l (truncate (mod (+ (* 2 e) (* 2 j) m (- k) (- h) 32) 7))) (setq n (truncate (/ (+ h (- m) l 90) 25))) (setq p (truncate (mod (+ h (- m) l n 19) 32))) echo \fday(\m(x)\flpad(\m(n),2,0)\flpad(\m(p),2,0)) \m(p) \&m[n] \m(x) exit See the article for an explanation of the algorithm and see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x9 for an explanation of S-Expressions. Note that the algorithm requires all arithmetic to be integer, not floating-point, hence the many TRUNCATE expressions (since S-Expressions never discard fractional parts). In UNIX, clip the program, left-justify at least the first line and change it to point to your C-Kermit 7.1 binary, save it as "easter", then "chmod +x easter", and then you can type: easter 2001 (or any other year between 1900 and 2099) to find out the date for Easter in that year (years outside that range require adjustment of the algorithm). On other platforms, type "take easter 2001" (or other year) at the Kermit prompt. Exercises: . Write a similar program for Rosh Hashanah, Passover, Ramadan, Tet, Chinese New Year, or any other holiday based on the Lunar cycle. . Adapt to span a wider range of years. . Adapt to support other calendars. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 14 10:21:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14996 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24913 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:19:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Ftp timestamps Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:19:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98o254$oa4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Michael Hayes wrote: : I have a small problem, I have the need to ftp data from a winnt box to an : aix machine, the application needs the timestamps to remain the same on both : machines. Unfortunately the timestamp reads the time the files hit the aix : machine, not the time they were created on the winnt box. : You need a more powerful FTP client: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html Prior to downloading files, tell it: set ftp dates on Which says to ask the server to supply the date of each file, and then set the downloaded file's date accordingly. Obviously this requires the server to cooperate. For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3.3 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 15 12:51:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02597 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28214 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:40:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Francis R Bridge {BRIDGE1} Subject: Time stamping log files in K95 Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:16:14 -0600 Organization: Motorola CIG Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello, We need an application that has the ability to log several terminal sessions and apply a time stamp to each line. Basically prefixing each line sent to the terminal with the time of day. For example: Thu Mar 15 11:12:00: First line of text from host Thu Mar 15 11:12:10: Second line of text from host ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Kermit supplies this Remote host sends this Can K95 do this? Any problem with simultaneously logging about 8-10 terminal sessions in this manor? Thanks, Frank Bridge From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 15 13:21:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29116 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29462 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:03:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Time stamping log files in K95 Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:03:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98r063$soj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Francis R Bridge {BRIDGE1} wrote: : We need an application that has the ability to log : several terminal sessions and apply a time stamp to : each line. Basically prefixing each line sent to the : terminal with the time of day. : : For example: : : Thu Mar 15 11:12:00: First line of text from host : Thu Mar 15 11:12:10: Second line of text from host : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : Kermit supplies this Remote host sends this : : Can K95 do this? : : Any problem with simultaneously logging about : 8-10 terminal sessions in this manor? : Sort of: . You'll need to run 8-10 copies of K95 simultaneously. . Each one logs to a separate file. For timestamps, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html In the Internet scripts section, see the "timestamps" script, which adds timestamps to Telnet-based system log display. The same technique can be used for serial-port and modem connections. By using an appropriate date-time format, each log file will be naturally lexically sorted, and therefore the various logs can be merged in the expected straightforward manner. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 16 07:21:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20263 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03738 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:14:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "RobinRG" Subject: SRP telnet Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:13:58 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Message-ID: <98t02v$c0k$1@soap.pipex.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi all, I am using K95 version 1.7 SRP enabled to make secure telnet connections to SRP enabled servers. I am using the same version/setup as I have been for a very long time and it makes perfect connections every time to all the established servers. We have set up one new server, running RedHat Linux 6.2 with eps and SRP authentication. I have tried several different SRP enabled in.telnetd compilations and I cannot get a connection to this server unless I revert back to the standard, non-SRP in.telnetd. The same versions of the SRP-enabled in.telnetd are running on other servers to which I can connect. When I try this one server I get a Windows "Illegal Operation" error: K95 caused an invalid page fault in module K95.EXE at 0197:0054c845. Registers: EAX=00000117 CS=0197 EIP=0054c845 EFLGS=00010206 EBX=81993f90 SS=019f ESP=0237fd74 EBP=0237fe7c ECX=2bd86bed DS=019f ESI=006c4077 FS=75bf EDX=0237fef8 ES=019f EDI=0237fe94 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: c6 84 0d 01 ff ff ff 00 8b 55 0c 83 ea 01 52 8d Stack dump: 819c197c 00f30bd0 000502fa ac000109 3241db6b f19b9a4a 135ede66 af2f5889 1965b672 fc07ee87 3d949231 a35060b5 b4cb2973 81ed99a0 7775e093 d53da167 My PC is running W98 and everything else is absolutely fine. As I can connect to so many others using the same remote daemon I can only assume it's something on the Linux box which is being returned to which my PC is taking exception. Anyone have any bright ideas? Regards Robin From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 16 10:21:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11631 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10338 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Automated FTP Script. Date: 16 Mar 2001 14:55:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98t9hk$a2v$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Ranko Popovic wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote in message : news:98m5iu$p6m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... : > It's done most easily with an FTP client that (unlike the standard one) : > is innately scriptable -- i.e. has its own built-in scripting such as: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html : : Frank, when are you going to remove restrictions for the "secure" version? : I'm referring to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/noexport.html of course. : When the test phase of C-Kermit 7.1 is finished and it is formally released, it will be packaged in a way that is consistent with the revised USA export restrictions, which can be summarized very crudely like this: source code can be put on FTP sites, but not object code or binaries. Meaning that you'll have to build secure versions from source code yourself. The C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha-test tarball already contains the security modules: $ tar tvf cku199a02.tar rw-rw-r--107/1327 290790 Jan 6 14:18 2001 makefile rw-rw-r--107/1327 163324 Jan 3 15:18 2001 ck_crp.c rw-rw-r--107/1327 2627 Jan 3 15:18 2001 ck_des.c rw-rw-r--107/1327 116502 Jan 3 15:18 2001 ck_ssl.c rw-rw-r--107/1327 2712 Jan 3 15:18 2001 ck_ssl.h ... The procedures for building secure versions are in the makefile, and are documented here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security71.html Thus you can use the security features today. If you have specific questions, send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 16 11:51:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07431 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14593 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:38:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: SRP telnet Date: 16 Mar 2001 16:38:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98tfhc$e7u$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98t02v$c0k$1@soap.pipex.net>, RobinRG wrote: : Hi all, : I am using K95 version 1.7 SRP enabled to make secure telnet connections to : SRP enabled servers. I am using the same version/setup as I have been for a : very long time and it makes perfect connections every time to all the : established servers. The current version of Kermit 95 is 1.1.20. Updates are available from http://www.kermit-project.org/k95patch.html If after upgrading you still have problems send e-mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu But I do not expect you to have problems. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 16 13:51:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20378 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20145 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:40:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "RobinRG" Subject: Re: SRP telnet Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:39:32 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Message-ID: <98tmm6$n97$1@soap.pipex.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Thanks for this suggestion Jeffrey (and I understand the logic) but right now I'm running a tight little cutdown telnet-only setup of K95 (I don't need any of the other stuff) and so the patches won't run 'cause it can't find all the files. I was kind of hoping someone might have run into similar SRP issues and know the solution. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Robin "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:98tfhc$e7u$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article <98t02v$c0k$1@soap.pipex.net>, > RobinRG wrote: > : Hi all, > : I am using K95 version 1.7 SRP enabled to make secure telnet connections to > : SRP enabled servers. I am using the same version/setup as I have been for a > : very long time and it makes perfect connections every time to all the > : established servers. > > The current version of Kermit 95 is 1.1.20. Updates are available from > > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95patch.html > > If after upgrading you still have problems send e-mail to > > kermit-support@columbia.edu > > But I do not expect you to have problems. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 16 15:21:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15753 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24252 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:19:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Confirm FTP Upload Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:19:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98tsgr$nlp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu : Rick wrote: : > : > My company is currently processing two large text files on an E10K box and : > then uploading them to an anonymous FTP server. One file is processed : > daily and the other weekly, the processing and upload is via crontab. The : > customer that receives this text file has now requested that a separate : > "control" file be put on the FTP site which they can look for and if the : > control file is available they will continue to retrieve the text : > file. The intent is that this control file will only be there if the file : > that I sent was received by the FTP site without error. I'm a little : > confused on how to verify that what I sent was received... : This is an insolable problem. However, if you transferred the file in the right mode (text versus binary) and there were no errors, the chances are vanishingly small that file was not transferred correctly, since TCP and IP both provide error detection and correction. If you transfer in binary mode, and the size the is the same, that's another good indicator of succees. Anyway, I think what the customer really wants is to know that an upload has finished before grabbing the file from the upload area, which is an easier problem to solve. : > ... the best thing I : > can think of is that I run another process that goes out to the FTP site : > downloads the file, compares it character by character and if it matches : > then send the control file. : This would not catch some hypothetical errors that are both systematic and reversible. : > This doesn't seem like a very good method : > because I'm checking to see if one operation has failed with an operation : > that could fail. : Right. First I'd suggest you read the following FTP scripting tutorial, which discusses the same problem you're trying to address: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html The tutorial pertains to the new Kermit Project FTP client, is designed to handle such situations. Example 5 applies to your query. If you want an even greater level of confidence, you might consider using Kermit protocol rather than FTP because: . FTP protocol includes no error detection or correction whatsoever; it relies completely on the underlying transport for that. Kermit, on the other hand, applies rigorous checking on top of TCP and IP. . FTP protocol includes no mechanism for confirming that a file was was fully received. The sender simply closes the connection at the end of the file. Kermit protocol, on the other hand, sends an "end of file" packet at the end of each file and requires positive confirmation from the receiver before declaring the transfer successfully terminated. Internet Kermit servers are available that can be used just like Internet FTP servers, and that also include security and privacy methods lacking from most FTP servers. For more information see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html Also see the following case study: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html which discusses "atomic file movement" in detail, which is the topic of your query. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 16 18:51:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27584 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02864 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:48:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: SRP telnet Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:48:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <98u8nq$2pd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <98tmm6$n97$1@soap.pipex.net>, RobinRG wrote: : Thanks for this suggestion Jeffrey (and I understand the logic) but right : now I'm running a tight little cutdown telnet-only setup of K95 (I don't : need any of the other stuff) and so the patches won't run 'cause it can't : find all the files. I was kind of hoping someone might have run into : similar SRP issues and know the solution. Any thoughts? : Thanks in advance : Robin Yes, I do have thoughts. Please upgrade to 1.1.20. It will fix your problems. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 17 12:21:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10750 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11425 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:07:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: need passive mode ftp command line client Date: 17 Mar 2001 17:07:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9905ku$b4u$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Grant Edwards wrote: : On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:30:58 -0800, Anthony Ewell wrote: : : > I need to write a script that will do a directory : >of an ftp site. Then, depending on what I find in the : >directory, do a download in passive mode. (Passive : >mode is required to get by my firewall.) : > : > Does any one of a command line mode ftp client that : >I can give a list of commands to that will also use : >passive mode to transfer file? : : I believe that ncftp will do passive. : : Also take a look at ckermit. It supports ftp file transfer and : has a very sophisticated scripting language akin to "expect". : C-Kermit 7.1 is the one that has this: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck71.html More about its ftp client here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html And a tutorial is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html And complete documentation here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#ftp About getting a directory and looking at it... There are two ways to do this. You can use: C-Kermit> ftp directory [ filespec ] > filename and then read the file with FOPEN, FREAD, etc, parsing the lines, which are in whatever format the server feels like sending them. If the server is UNIX, the directory lines are probably like this; note that the filename starts in column 55 (1-based): -rw-rw---- 1 fdc staff 14169 Mar 14 11:23 foo -rw-rw---- 1 fdc staff 28010 Mar 16 12:05 h -rw-r--r-- 1 fdc staff 19294 Mar 16 12:06 j.jpg -rw-rw---- 1 fdc staff 46949 Mar 16 15:35 kt -rw-rw---- 1 fdc staff 489 Mar 13 10:37 r -rw-rw---- 1 fdc staff 3374 Mar 13 10:36 r.~1~ Let's say you've stored the directory listing in a file called dirlist fopen \%c dirlist ; Open dirlist and assign channel number to \%c if fail exit 1 Can't open directory list file .\%n = 0 while true { fread \%c line ; Read a line into variable named 'line' if fail break ; EOF .fn := \s(line[55]) ; Extract substring from col 55 to end echo [\m(fn)] ; Echo the filename with brackets around it increment \%n ; Count it } fclose \%c ; Done - close file echo Files: \%n ; Tell how many filenames Once you have isolated the filename (fn) you can do whatever you want with it -- compare it with a pattern, a list, etc. Then to download in passive mode, simply: set ftp passive get \m(fn) if fail exit 1 GET \m(fn) failed. C-Kermit 7.1 is currently in prerelease testing, so this is a good time to try it and send in any comments or suggestions about the scriptable FTP client. In fact, your problem suggests one improvement already, which is to make the NLST result available to the program directly, so you don't have to parse arbitrary directory-listing formats. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 18 12:21:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05931 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04910 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "--abc--" Subject: Kermit Protocol basic questions Message-ID: <3ab4edcb$1@news.iprimus.com.au> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:14:33 +1000 Organization: CWO Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@cwo.net.au To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi All, I am currently doing a comparison of the Kermit and FTP protocols and have some questions: 1) Does Kermits use of a single multiplexed channel have implications for simultaneous transfer of commands while data transfer is in progress? (ie. In FTP there is the 2 channels available) 2) Is the error recovery/Restart functionality available regardless of the mode of transfer? (In FTP crash recovery not avaialble using stream mode). 3) When using FTP, user may set up a connection between 2 other servers/machines, and use the users host to control the session. Is this capability available in Kermit? Also, if u feel OK about some offtopic FTP questions :) : 1) Does FTP encrypt the login info for start of session, or are plain text passwords sent? Or does the TELNET client encrypt the login info? Thanks for any help Dave From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 18 12:51:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12496 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06129 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:47:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit Protocol basic questions Date: 18 Mar 2001 17:47:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <992sbp$5ve$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3ab4edcb$1@news.iprimus.com.au>, --abc-- wrote: : I am currently doing a comparison of the Kermit and FTP protocols and have : some questions: : : 1) Does Kermits use of a single multiplexed channel have implications for : simultaneous transfer of commands while data transfer is in progress? (ie. : In FTP there is the 2 channels available) : Kermit's scheme is simpler. Packets are used at the application level, which include function-code fields ("commands"). In other words, each message includes a command, and possibly also contents (e.g. file name, file attributes, file data). The fact that there is only a single connection removes all the difficulties with firewalls, active-vs-passive mode, etc. : 2) Is the error recovery/Restart functionality available regardless of the : mode of transfer? (In FTP crash recovery not avaialble using stream mode). : Recovery/restart is available only for binary-mode transfers. A scheme was worked out for text mode, but it's quite complex given the fact that it would have to work with every known file system and record format, including record-oriented file systems as on IBM mainframes. So far it has not been implemented, since there is little demand for it. : 3) When using FTP, user may set up a connection between 2 other : servers/machines, and use the users host to control the session. Is this : capability available in Kermit? : No. : Also, if u feel OK about some offtopic FTP questions :) : : : 1) Does FTP encrypt the login info for start of session, or are plain text : passwords sent? Or does the TELNET client encrypt the login info? : Security is an option for FTP, Telnet, and Kermit. Secure servers and clients are available for all three: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html Incidentally, there are a lots of other axes along which you can compare FTP and Kermit, including (to name a few): . Handling of file attribute (date-time, size, permissions, etc) . Automatic per-file text/binary mode switching . Recursive directory-tree traversal . Character-set conversion capabilities . Automation features built into the client/server protocol . Flexible filename collisions options, including update As you might know, we have added FTP protocol to the new Kermit releases, in a way that brings many of these features to FTP for the first time, despite the fact that the FTP protocol is not designed to support them: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 20 08:51:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16953 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11080 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:49:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit Protocol basic questions Date: 20 Mar 2001 13:49:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <997n5k$aq6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3ab4edcb$1@news.iprimus.com.au>, --abc-- wrote: : Hi All, : : I am currently doing a comparison of the Kermit and FTP protocols and have : some questions: I realize Frank already responded to this post, but I have a slightly different perspective on some of the issues. In particular, this should not be a comparison of Kermit protocol and FTP. It should be a comparison of the Internet Kermit Service and FTP. : 1) Does Kermits use of a single multiplexed channel have implications for : simultaneous transfer of commands while data transfer is in progress? (ie. : In FTP there is the 2 channels available) The answer to this is 'no'. Even though FTP uses separate channels for commands and data, there should not be any communication on the command channel while a data channel is in use. The reason for the use of the data channel is to provide a clean separation of the data and to be able to provide a clearly understood "end of file" mark, the closing of the data channel. FTP clients or servers that do send data on the command channel while data transfers are in progress can both confuse their peers and prevent secure sessions from being used when both the command and data channels are protected by the same streaming cipher. The Internet Kermit Service by using Kermit protocol over a single channel provides all of the necessary functionality to perform data and command exchanges with a well defined set of rules. By using a single channel the connection is both easier to secure as well as more flexible since the use of multiple channels requires an end to end IP connection as well as specially configured firewalls when more than one is in use for any given transfer. : 2) Is the error recovery/Restart functionality available regardless : of the mode of transfer? (In FTP crash recovery not avaialble using : stream mode). Restart functionality is difficult to perform in Text mode transfers because of two features of the Kermit protocol: . end of line transformation . character set translation both of which make it difficult to determine where the sender is to begin from based upon what data the receiver currently has. When transfering data over a network it is necessary for the data to be placed on the wire in a portable format. So the sender does not know what form the receiver is storing the data. In fact, even if the sender was given the information, it might not support that data representation itself. : 3) When using FTP, user may set up a connection between 2 other : servers/machines, and use the users host to control the session. Is this : capability available in Kermit? This mode is called "FTP Proxy mode". A client makes connections to two FTP servers at the same time and then instructs Server A to make a connection with Server B (which is in passive mode) instead of with the client. There are several problems with this feature that have resulted in many FTP server vendors refusing to implement it: . the ability to instruct Server A to connect to some other host on an arbitrary port allows the server to be used for denial of service attacks. Imagine I want to attack your machine without you knowing who I am. I can establish an anonymous ftp session with a ftp server and then have that server connect to your machine on my behalf. . the data connection between the two FTP servers can not be authenticated and therefore not secured. There is no command channel between the two servers. Therefore, there is no mechanism for the two servers to determine that they are communicating with the correct partner. The IKS does not implement this feature to prevent the first problem. Although, if it did implement the ability to establish outgoing connections to a third host it would not suffer from the second problem due to its single channel. In fact, if you want this functionality you can simply use C-Kermit over a secure Telnet daemon. Telnet to Server A, start C-Kermit and establish a secure connection to the IKS on Server B, and instruct Server A and B to exchange files. : Also, if u feel OK about some offtopic FTP questions :) : : : 1) Does FTP encrypt the login info for start of session, or are plain text : passwords sent? Or does the TELNET client encrypt the login info? Both FTP and Telnet protocols provide for strong authentication and encryption of the TCP/IP connections. Authentication is mutual and encryption and integrity protection are provided in both directions for both command and file data. In Telnet, the request for security can be initiated by either client or the server. In FTP, the request must be initiated by the client. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 21 08:21:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11285 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02396 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:21:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "DMC" Subject: What could Kermit implement from FTP? Message-ID: <3ab8aabf@news.iprimus.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:17:29 +1000 Organization: CWO Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@cwo.net.au To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi again, Thanks for your replies to my previous post. I have come up with a large list of features that FTP could utilise from Kermit, but have only a handful that Kermit could borrow from FTP. Basically i have listed: Kermit might benefit from the following FTP features: ? Utilisation of a more comprehensive command-reply functionality ? Support for the 'page' file structure in addition to the file and record structures Not a very comprehensive list :) but Kermit does implement a plethora of functionality not provided by FTP. So where else do i look? As for circumstances where a user might choose between Kermit or FTP, i have only really mentioned the relative robustness of Kermit for use on unreliable lines and/or LAN, X.25 connections, etc that are unsupported by FTP. I have also mentioned possibly the overheads of having to learn the Kermit interface as opposed to FTP are higher. Thanks again for your help. Dave From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 21 09:21:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27779 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04028 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:06:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: What could Kermit implement from FTP? Date: 21 Mar 2001 14:06:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <99ach7$3tq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3ab8aabf@news.iprimus.com.au>, DMC wrote: : Hi again, : : Thanks for your replies to my previous post. I have come up with a large : list of features that FTP could utilise from Kermit, but have only a handful : that Kermit could borrow from FTP. Basically i have listed: : : Kermit might benefit from the following FTP features: : : ? Utilisation of a more comprehensive command-reply functionality Can you provide some examples of command - reply pairs that you would like to see in the Internet Kermit Service? Remember, the Kermit protocol is not tied to a particular service. : ? Support for the 'page' file structure in addition to the file and record : structures Can you describe what you mean by the "Page" file structure? Have you looked at the OS specific LABELED modes which allow arbitrary formatting and attribute information to be transfered with the file? : Not a very comprehensive list :) but Kermit does implement a plethora of : functionality not provided by FTP. So where else do i look? I'm not sure what you are looking for? : As for circumstances where a user might choose between Kermit or FTP, i have : only really mentioned the relative robustness of Kermit for use on : unreliable lines and/or LAN, X.25 connections, etc that are unsupported by : FTP. I have also mentioned possibly the overheads of having to learn the : Kermit interface as opposed to FTP are higher. In what way are Kermit's commands more difficult to learn than FTP commands? Remember, the proper comparision is not between "Kermit, the file transfer protocol" and "FTP". The proper comparison is between "Internet Kermit Service" and "FTP". If you are attempting to compare a general purpose file transfer protocol such as Kermit and an architecture specific service such as FTP, you are comparing apples and tomatos. They both grow outside but one is a fruit and the other is not. : Thanks again for your help. : : Dave Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 21 09:51:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11913 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05320 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:44:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: What could Kermit implement from FTP? Date: 21 Mar 2001 14:44:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <99aep9$565$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <99ach7$3tq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <3ab8aabf@news.iprimus.com.au>, DMC wrote: : ... : : ? Support for the 'page' file structure in addition to the file and record : : structures : : Can you describe what you mean by the "Page" file structure? : Page mode is a leftover from TOPS-20, allowing direct access to disk pages (blocks), the minimum addressable storage unit on the disk. A TOPS-20 file was defined by its page table, which could be sparse. Transferring a file in page mode, as opposed to ascii or binary mode, would preserve its sparseness. You don't see this sort of thing very much any more. But TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 are quietly coming back to life after lying dormant the last fifteen years, with the recent appearance of PDP-10 emulation programs; see the links at the end of: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp10.html The Kermit FTP client, although it does not support page mode, does include two special commands to be used with PDP-10 FTP servers: VDIRECTORY and TYPE TENEX. (And as noted here recently, TOPS-20 Kermit recently had a facelift to allow faster file transfers for when the new emulators come online, but don't have TCP/IP). : : As for circumstances where a user might choose between Kermit or FTP, : : i have only really mentioned the relative robustness of Kermit for use : : on unreliable lines and/or LAN, X.25 connections, etc that are : : unsupported by FTP. I have also mentioned possibly the overheads of : : having to learn the Kermit interface as opposed to FTP are higher. : : In what way are Kermit's commands more difficult to learn than FTP commands? : In fact, Kermit's commands are almost identical with FTP commands: GET, BINARY, BYE, etc. Most FTP commands that are different from Kermit's are accepted as invisible synonyms to the regular Kermit programs; for example PUT for SEND. Of course Kermit has more commands because it does more things. If FTP did those things, it would have more commands too. The main difference is that Kermit's file management commands (DIR, DELETE, MKDIR, etc) work locally rather than being sent to the server. To send commands to the FTP server from Kermit, you must use FTP DIR, FTP DELETE, FTP MKDIR, etc (you can also use REMOTE DIR, REMOTE DELETE, etc, as you would with a Kermit server, and there are also "R-command" shortcuts for most of these: RCD, RDIR, RMKDIR, ....) See the command comparison here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3.8 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 22 18:51:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16371 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18128 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:27:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Terminal emulation problems (or, curses! foiled again) Date: 22 Mar 2001 23:27:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <99e1o8$hmd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <20010322181012.A26265@jpradley.jpr.com>, Jean-Pierre Radley wrote: : Frank da Cruz propounded (on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:19:49PM +0000): : | In article <904.480T782T10084139@sky.bus.com>, : | Charlie Gibbs wrote: : | : I have a number of programs I've written under 3.2v4.2, which are : | : running on many sites, including 5.0.5 ... : | : : | It's most likely not a problem with curses, but with the terminal : | emulator on the end-user's desk. Some are better than others. : | Also, obviously, the emulation selection has to match what curses : | thinks it is, which is not always straightforward. In particular, : | you should be aware that "ansi" means SCOANSI to the SCO host, : | but it means BBS ANSI (an entirely different scheme) to the emulator. : | To get a match, the emulator must be set to SCOANSI, and the SCO host : | set to ANSI. Or else pick something less confusing, like vt220. : : Except, Frank, that in OSR 5.0.6, scoansi != ansi. They're different. : That's good news -- I asked them to do this years ago (thanks, SCO). But of course the drawback is that now "ansi" means something different depending on which OSR5 version it is. Progress doesn't come cheap! At least now, Telnet clients whose emulation is set to SCOANSI, and which report their terminal type automatically to the Telnet server, will not result any rude surprises when logging into OSR5.0.6 (as they do now with earlier OSR5 versions). Ditto for plain (BBS) ANSI. Did a similar change happen in any other SCO operating systems? (I'm including the Kermit newsgroup in this reply because this discussion will be of some interest there.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 25 01:21:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03475 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11808 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:06:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Paul Moran" Subject: FTP Versus Kermit Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:02:59 +1000 Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hey All, I ahve a uni assignment on the pros and cons between FTP and Kermit as protocols.... Could anyone throw some ideas my way.... Thanks Paul -- ************************** Paul Moran Applications Designer MillenniumIT Mob: 0409 118 148 support@millenniumit.com.au From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 25 11:51:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22546 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00636 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:45:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "DMC" Subject: Re: FTP Versus Kermit Message-ID: <3abe200f@news.iprimus.com.au> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:38:35 +1000 Organization: CWO Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@cwo.net.au To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu U wouldnt be from USQ would u? If so, see some of the previous posts. :) "Paul Moran" wrote in message news:iJfv6.2891$45.13639@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > Hey All, > > I ahve a uni assignment on the pros and cons between FTP and Kermit as > protocols.... > > Could anyone throw some ideas my way.... > > Thanks > > Paul > > -- > > ************************** > Paul Moran > Applications Designer > MillenniumIT > Mob: 0409 118 148 > support@millenniumit.com.au From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 28 17:52:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01951 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19820 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: need passive mode ftp command line client Date: 28 Mar 2001 22:25:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <99toc3$jba$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9905ku$b4u$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article , : Grant Edwards wrote: : : On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:30:58 -0800, Anthony Ewell wrote: : : >I need to write a script that will do a directory : : >of an ftp site. Then, depending on what I find in the : : >directory, do a download in passive mode. (Passive : : >mode is required to get by my firewall.) : A while back I answered this, recommending the new Kermit FTP client, but it involved capturing the server's directory listing and parsing it, which is crude, and then I said: : C-Kermit 7.1 is currently in prerelease testing, so this is a good time : to try it and send in any comments or suggestions about the scriptable : FTP client. In fact, your problem suggests one improvement already, which : is to make the NLST result available to the program directly, so you don't : have to parse arbitrary directory-listing formats. : Silly me, I had already put this feature in without noticing that I did it. The command is: FTP MGET /NAMELIST:filename remote-filespec [ remote-filespec ... ] This puts the list of names, one name per line, into the given filename. For example: ftp cd somedirectory ftp mget /namelist:list-o-files * If this succeeds, then you can use: fopen /read \%c list-o-files if fail ... while not \f_eof(\%c) { fread \%c filename if fail ... echo The next file is "\m(filename)" } echo Done. Replace the ECHO statement with whatever you want to do with each file. For more information on the new ftp client, visit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 1 19:52:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19871 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15440 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:40:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha.04 Ready for Testing Date: 1 Apr 2001 23:40:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9a8e8m$f2e$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha.04 is ready for testing: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck71.html Big changes: . Changed default modem type from NONE to GENERIC. . Generic dialing now sends no init string at all. . Changed default terminal bytesize from 7 to 8. New features: . SET SESSION-LOG TIMESTAMPED-TEXT for timestamped session log. New modem types: . Conexant modem family . Lucent VENUS chipset . PCTel V.90 chipset . Zoom V.90 . Zoom V.92 FTP client: . FTP OPEN /PASSIVE and /ACTIVE switches added. . Now works with servers that that don't include path in NLST response. . Fixed SEND /RECURSIVE not to follow symlinks (UNIX). . SET FTP VERBOSE-MODE default is now OFF instead of ON. Kermit protocol: . Fixed what I hope is the last "Receive window full" error. . SET PREFIXING or SET CONTROL PREFIX now automatically sets CLEARCHANNEL OFF. . Fixed incorrect report of number of files transferred at end of transfer. . Fixed SEND /RECURSIVE not to follow symlinks (UNIX). UNIX: . HTTP and shadow passwords enabled for SCO 5.0.6. . Even with SET FILENAMES CONVERTED, spaces were still accepted in incoming filenames; now they are converted to underscores. . Added support for compile-time mktemp()/mkstemp() selection. VMS: . Session-log format for scripted sessions fixed. Scripting: . Fixed \frdir() not to follow symlinks (UNIX). . Fixed \fday() not to dump core for dates prior to 17 Mar 1858. General: . "Closing blah..." message upon exit could not be surpressed. . Added /PAGE and /NOPAGE to DELETE switches. . Added GO response for DELETE /ASK (delete all the rest without asking). . Added GO response to "more?" prompt (for multi-page screen output). . Updated HELP texts. The big changes might be jarring for some people, but they reflect changing conditions: . Most connections are now 8-bit clean. To restore the old behavior, put "set term byte 7" in your startup file. . Most modems use the AT command set and are already configured appropriately (i.e. for hardware flow control, error correction, and data compression), and therefore don't need extensive configuration every time a number is dialed. Making the default modem type GENERIC instead of NONE should have little impact, since users and scripts have always set an explicit modem type anyway. The only difference is that now dialing should work in most cases even if you don't specify a modem type, and it should be faster. The new default modem type should also work with direct connections. In any case where it doesn't work, just set a specific modem type, as before. Those of you with modems, please try dialing as you did before, and also without giving an explicit SET MODEM TYPE command, and let me know how it works. Also try making direct serial connections with first giving a SET MODEM TYPE NONE (or DIRECT) command. The sources and about 60 prebuilt binaries are available here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck71.html Warning: A bug was found after building the binaries (a three-day process), regarding IP address resolution when making connections to aliased hostnames. On some platforms, under certain conditions, this could cause a core dump. The problem is fixed in the source code, whose test level has been increased to Alpha.04, and a few new Alpha.04 binaries have been built. If you downloaded a prebuilt Alpha.03 binary and it crashes when you try to make a TCP/IP connection, please download the source code and build a binary yourself, or else let us know and we'll try to build one for you. I'll also replace Alpha.03 binaries with Alpha.04 over the coming days myself as the opportunities arise. Please report any problems by email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu And as usual, if you can build it on any platforms that are not listed or current in the binaries list on the web page, please give it a try and let me know how it goes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 2 12:52:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21734 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23156 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Christopher T. Mooney" Subject: Dazed and Confused... Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3ac8a90d$1_2@news2.one.net> Organization: OneNet Communications News Hub To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello... I am probably re-iterating previous posts, but I was hoping someone here could help me out... I am trying to write an application that will communicate to a Kermit server, and I would assume that there are programming libraries that exist for sending Kermit commands, but I am not really sure (even after some searching) where to find them... Is the C-Kermit package something that has an API that I can program to? Or is there a more general library out there for programming? Barring that is there a good on-line description of the Kermit protocol that describes all of the packets that I could access??? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 2 12:52:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21745 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24033 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:50:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Dazed and Confused... Date: 2 Apr 2001 16:50:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9aaajp$neu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3ac8a90d$1_2@news2.one.net>, Christopher T. Mooney wrote: : I am probably re-iterating previous posts, but I was hoping someone here : could help me out... I am trying to write an application that will : communicate to a Kermit server, and I would assume that there are : programming libraries that exist for sending Kermit commands, but I am not : really sure (even after some searching) where to find them... Is the : C-Kermit package something that has an API that I can program to? : Yes, its command and scripting language. : Or is : there a more general library out there for programming? Barring that is : there a good on-line description of the Kermit protocol that describes all : of the packets that I could access??? : You don't need to implement the Kermit protocol. Just use C-Kermit itself for all the communication and file-transfer parts of your application. It can make the connection, log in, issue any command at all to the server, do whatever you want with the results, log out, and disconnect, all programmatically. If you already have a connection and you just want to execute Kermit protocol, Kermit can do that too. For more on this topic see: The C-Kermit script libary http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html How to embed Kermit in your application http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/embed.html If you have specific questions, post them here if they are of general interest, or send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 3 10:43:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09389 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27702 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Jennifer Ooi" Subject: Differences Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:28:11 +0800 Organization: Unconfigured Message-ID: <9acmst$nci$1@news5.jaring.my> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Just like to know what is the differences between Kermit and FTP? From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 3 11:43:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13388 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28246 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Differences Date: 3 Apr 2001 14:44:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9acnka$rij$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9acn9t$nhm$1@news5.jaring.my>, Jennifer Ooi wrote: : Just like to know what is the differences between Kermit and FTP? : Read eht motivations section of RFC 2839 "Internet Kermit Service" for a summary: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2839.txt Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 3 11:44:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13619 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28322 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:46:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Differences Date: 3 Apr 2001 14:46:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9acnou$rl0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9acn9t$nhm$1@news5.jaring.my>, Jennifer Ooi wrote: : Just like to know what is the differences between Kermit and FTP? : This topic was discussed here a few weeks ago. If your newsreader doesn't let you access previous messages from this newsgroup, look at the plain-text archive: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/misc.txt and search for the subject "Kermit Protocol basic questions". I suppose it would be nice to have some kind of web-based archived for the newsgroup, but we haven't had time to research this. But the meantime, note that the plain-text archive can be imported into (I believe) any email client -- at least all the ones I've tried -- in which case you can use the email software to organize it, search it, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 3 18:42:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16183 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20199 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:31:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: FTP client for Solaris 8 Date: 3 Apr 2001 22:31:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9adivj$jn5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Paul Walker wrote: : Does anyone know of a good FTP client (that supports resume, etc) that will : run on Solaris 8 x86. : Yes: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html But you'll have to compile it yourself since I don't have access to Solaris 8 (x86 or Sparc). I have built it on Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, and 2.7 on Sparc, though, so it should be just a matter of typing: uncompress cku199.tar.Z (or .gz) tar xvf cku199.tar make solaris8 If you (or anybody) can make a Solaris 8 binary, please let me know so I can add it to the archive. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 3 20:12:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20855 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24159 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:09:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3ACA65F9.C959EC00@mailbox.swipnet.se> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen?= Moquist Subject: Re: FTP client for Solaris 8 Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:08:25 +0200 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article , > Paul Walker wrote: > : Does anyone know of a good FTP client (that supports resume, etc) that will > : run on Solaris 8 x86. > : > Yes: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html > > But you'll have to compile it yourself since I don't have access to > Solaris 8 (x86 or Sparc). I have built it on Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, and > 2.7 on Sparc, though, so it should be just a matter of typing: > > uncompress cku199.tar.Z (or .gz) > tar xvf cku199.tar > make solaris8 > > If you (or anybody) can make a Solaris 8 binary, please let me know so > I can add it to the archive. > > - Frank I tried a make & gmake on it, here is the printout. //Jörgen --------------------- make solaris8 make "MAKE=make" solaris25x KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris8} \ "KFLAGS=-DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARIS7 " Making C-Kermit "7.1.199" for Solaris 2.x with SunPro cc... make xermit KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris25x} \ "CFLAGS = -DFNFLOAT -DPOSIX_CRTSCTS -O -Usun -i -DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARIS7" \ "LNKFLAGS = -s" "LIBS= -ltermlib -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv" cc -DFNFLOAT -DPOSIX_CRTSCTS -O -Usun -i -DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARIS7 -DKTARGET=\"solaris8\" -c ckcmai.c cc1: Unrecognized option `-i' *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `ckcmai.o' Current working directory /opt2/src/kermitftp *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `solaris25x' Current working directory /opt2/src/kermitftp *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `solaris8' From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 3 20:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20857 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24333 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:10:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3ACA666D.6E63993D@mailbox.swipnet.se> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen?= Moquist Subject: Re: FTP client for Solaris 8 Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:10:21 +0200 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Jörgen Moquist wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > In article , > > Paul Walker wrote: > > : Does anyone know of a good FTP client (that supports resume, etc) that will > > : run on Solaris 8 x86. > > : > > Yes: > > > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html > > > > But you'll have to compile it yourself since I don't have access to > > Solaris 8 (x86 or Sparc). I have built it on Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, and > > 2.7 on Sparc, though, so it should be just a matter of typing: > > > > uncompress cku199.tar.Z (or .gz) > > tar xvf cku199.tar > > make solaris8 > > > > If you (or anybody) can make a Solaris 8 binary, please let me know so > > I can add it to the archive. > > > > - Frank > > I tried a make & gmake on it, here is the printout. > //Jörgen > --------------------- > make solaris8 > make "MAKE=make" solaris25x KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris8} \ > "KFLAGS=-DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARIS7 " > Making C-Kermit "7.1.199" for Solaris 2.x with SunPro cc... > make xermit KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris25x} \ > "CFLAGS = -DFNFLOAT -DPOSIX_CRTSCTS -O -Usun -i -DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARIS7" \ > "LNKFLAGS = -s" "LIBS= -ltermlib -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv" > cc -DFNFLOAT -DPOSIX_CRTSCTS -O -Usun -i -DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARIS7 > -DKTARGET=\"solaris8\" -c ckcmai.c > cc1: Unrecognized option `-i' > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `ckcmai.o' > Current working directory /opt2/src/kermitftp > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `solaris25x' > Current working directory /opt2/src/kermitftp > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `solaris8' using gcc ( cc is just a link ) From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 3 21:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02426 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26081 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:52:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3ACA7054.C44E564B@adelaide.edu.au> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:22:36 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: The University of Adelaide Subject: Re: FTP client for Solaris 8 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Did you try: make solaris8g That is specifically setup for using gcc. Regards, Arthur. J=F6rgen Moquist wrote: > = > J=F6rgen Moquist wrote: > = > > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > > > In article , > > > Paul Walker wrote: > > > : Does anyone know of a good FTP client (that supports resume, etc)= that will > > > : run on Solaris 8 x86. > > > : > > > Yes: > > > > > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html > > > > > > But you'll have to compile it yourself since I don't have access to= > > > Solaris 8 (x86 or Sparc). I have built it on Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, a= nd > > > 2.7 on Sparc, though, so it should be just a matter of typing: > > > > > > uncompress cku199.tar.Z (or .gz) > > > tar xvf cku199.tar > > > make solaris8 > > > > > > If you (or anybody) can make a Solaris 8 binary, please let me know= so > > > I can add it to the archive. > > > > > > - Frank > > > > I tried a make & gmake on it, here is the printout. > > //J=F6rgen > > --------------------- > > make solaris8 > > make "MAKE=3Dmake" solaris25x KTARGET=3D${KTARGET:-solaris8} \ > > "KFLAGS=3D-DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARIS7 " > > Making C-Kermit "7.1.199" for Solaris 2.x with SunPro cc... > > make xermit KTARGET=3D${KTARGET:-solaris25x} \ > > "CFLAGS =3D -DFNFLOAT -DPOSIX_CRTSCTS -O -Usun -i -DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARI= S7" \ > > "LNKFLAGS =3D -s" "LIBS=3D -ltermlib -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv" > > cc -DFNFLOAT -DPOSIX_CRTSCTS -O -Usun -i -DSOLARIS8 -DSOLARIS7 > > -DKTARGET=3D\"solaris8\" -c ckcmai.c > > cc1: Unrecognized option `-i' > > *** Error code 1 > > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `ckcmai.o' > > Current working directory /opt2/src/kermitftp > > *** Error code 1 > > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `solaris25x' > > Current working directory /opt2/src/kermitftp > > *** Error code 1 > > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `solaris8' > = > using gcc ( cc is just a link ) -- = Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 4 10:42:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21036 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18986 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:27:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Linux to SCO terminal emulator Date: 4 Apr 2001 14:27:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9afb02$ih8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Harri Haataja wrote: : AFAIK, cu is a part of UUCP which is a rare installation nowadays. : There seem to be little terminal emulators available because most of : the time it makes little or more likely absolutely no sense. xterm or : console or whatever you might be running (termcap most likely xterm or : linux) should work and kermit is very good at getting over serial : lines. : : As for the original issue, f-keys should be passed to the terminal : or active xterm or whatever unless something filters them out. Then : it's a matter of many different components wheather the odd character : sequence gets to the other end intact. The "scancodes directly over : tcp" sounds very odd. You might even be looking for netcat? : UNIX is not Windows or DOS. How is a UNIX-based software program supposed to access the keyboard directly to get Make/Break (Up/Down) events? This information is simply not available to user-mode applications. Applications (other than X or the console driver) do not have direct access to the video adapter, mouse, and keyboard, nor should they. Remember that an advantage of UNIX over DOS and Windows is that UNIX is a multiuser, multitasking operating system, not a single-user system designed only for use on a PC, from the PC's own physical keyboard and screen. UNIX users can come in over the console, through X, through a serial port, a Telnet connection, an Rlogin connection, etc etc, and there can be any number of them at once. The price you pay for this flexibility is that applications can't access the hardware directly. These days, UNIX (Linux) is a general-purpose multiser OS that everybody is trying to turn into a single-user PC operating system like Windows, and at the same time Windows is a single-user PC operating system that everybody is trying to turn into a general-purpose multiuser operating system. Each one is best at what it was originally designed for. If you want a platform for which high-performance terminal emulators are available, you're better off with Windows. If you want a platform that is generally useful, programmable, relatively secure, and supports multiple users coming in from a variety of sources from a variety of different platforms using non-propriatry methods, you're better off with UNIX. Of course most people want or need both, which results in many of us with two workstations on our desks, or booting back and forth between two OS's, or running DOS or Windows emulators under UNIX so we can have a terminal emulator. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 4 11:12:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05494 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20495 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: FTP client for Solaris 8 Date: 4 Apr 2001 15:02:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9afd2i$k0d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3ACA65F9.C959EC00@mailbox.swipnet.se>, Jörgen Moquist wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : >... : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html : > : > But you'll have to compile it yourself since I don't have access to : > Solaris 8 (x86 or Sparc). I have built it on Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, and : > 2.7 on Sparc, though, so it should be just a matter of typing: : > : > uncompress cku199.tar.Z (or .gz) : > tar xvf cku199.tar : > make solaris8 : > : > If you (or anybody) can make a Solaris 8 binary, please let me know so : > I can add it to the archive. : : I tried a make & gmake on it, here is the printout. : Sorry, should have said: make solaris8 <-- if you have Sun cc make solaris8g <-- if you have gcc I tend to forget that Solaris is delivered without its own C compiler. The idea of UNIX without C is still a bit too strange for me to absorb. Also, if anybody has SunLink X.25, Kermit 7.1 needs to be built for that too (any/all Solaris/SunOS versions). I also need builds for any Solaris prior to 2.5.1 (with or without X.25). I also need builds for any versions of Solaris at all on x86. (I have Solaris 2.6 for x86 but have never succeeded in installing gcc on it -- if anybody knows the trick, please share it.) Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 4 13:12:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13557 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25207 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:51:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: File transfer apps Date: 4 Apr 2001 16:51:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9afjdr$ojk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9afev4$pmc$1@news.panix.com>, Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner wrote: : Vasilis Serghi wrote: : > Is there an application out there, like laplink, that can be used for : > transferring files over parallel or serial cables? Something that is : > transparent to the OS type would be good. : : Depends how you want to do it. You could just hook up the two : systems with the correct cable and do "cat myfile > /dev/ttyS1" on one : and "cat /dev/ttyS1 > myfile" on the other, but that's pretty ugly. : And risky, definitely not guaranteed to work since there is no error detection or correction. : Alternately, you could set up a getty on one machine's serial port, and : then log in with something like minicom over the serial line, and use : zmodem (or xmodem, or kermit...) Or you could set up SLIP/PPP (for a : serial line) or PLIP (for a parallel connection) and then you can use : anything that works on top of TCP/IP. : I'm not aware of anything that can use a parallel cable connection in UNIX for data transfer, but with serial ports and a null-modem cable, you can use Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html No need for minicom -- it calls Kermit anyway to transfer files, and Kermit itself already does everything minicom does. IMPORTANT (no matter what software you use): the null-modem cable should be fully populated with all the appropriate crossovers, especially RTS and CTS. Two scenarios: 1. On the "far" machine, if you have a getty, then you can make the serial port connection to it from the near machine, log in, start Kermit on the far machine, and transfer files in the normal way. 2. If you do not have a getty on the far machine, but it is physically accessible to you, you can start Kermit on it and direct it to the port to which the null-modem cable is connected, put it in server mode, and then go back to the other computer and give client commands to send and get files. Example for scenario 1, starting on the near computer: $ kermit C-Kermit> set port /dev/ttyS0 <-- Substitute appropriate port C-Kermit> set speed 57600 <-- Or other desired speed C-Kermit> set flow rts/cts <-- Use hardware flow control C-Kermit> connect login: jdw Password: blah $ kermit <-- Start Kermit on far computer C-Kermit> <-- Far Kermit's prompt C-Kermit> server <-- Put the far Kermit in server mode C-Kermit> <-- Near Kermit's prompt Now you can give SEND, GET, REMOTE xxx, and BYE commands to the near Kermit. Type HELP at the C-Kermit> prompt if you need help. Example for scenario 2: On the far computer: $ kermit C-Kermit> set port /dev/ttyS2 <-- Substitue appropriate port C-Kermit> set speed 57600 <-- Or other desired speed C-Kermit> set flow rts/cts <-- hwfc C-Kermit> server <-- Start server mode On the near computer: $ kermit C-Kermit> set port /dev/ttyS0 <-- Substitue appropriate port C-Kermit> set speed 57600 <-- Must be same speed as far computer C-Kermit> set flow rts/cts <-- hwfc C-Kermit> Now you can give SEND, GET, REMOTE xxx, and BYE commands to the near Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 5 14:42:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27003 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27584 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:22:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: grante@visi.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Macro prameters containing spaces? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:22:35 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I'm trying to automate some stuff done via serial port using CKermit 7. My local B&N didn't carry the book, so I've ordered a copy. But, in the meanwhile, I'm stuck on trying to write a macro where one of the parameters is a string that may have spaces in it: define docmd { output \fcontents(\%2) output \13 input \%1 Prompt> if failure echo FAILURE } define setup { docmd 1 hello docmd 1 "ip 192.168.1.11 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1" docmd 25 "flash init -f" docmd 1 reset } I've tried using \32 for space in the parameter string and that doesn't work either. There must be trick to make this work... -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Youth of today! Join at me in a mass rally visi.com for traditional mental attitudes! From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 5 15:12:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11476 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29055 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Macro prameters containing spaces? Date: 5 Apr 2001 18:56:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9aif5j$sbs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Grant Edwards wrote: : I'm trying to automate some stuff done via serial port using : CKermit 7. My local B&N didn't carry the book, so I've ordered : a copy. But, in the meanwhile, I'm stuck on trying to write a : macro where one of the parameters is a string that may have : spaces in it: : : define docmd { : output \fcontents(\%2) : output \13 : input \%1 Prompt> : if failure echo FAILURE : } : : define setup { : docmd 1 hello : docmd 1 "ip 192.168.1.11 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1" : docmd 25 "flash init -f" : docmd 1 reset : } : : I've tried using \32 for space in the parameter string and that : doesn't work either. There must be trick to make this work... : There's nothing wrong with your script as far as argument passing is concerned, as you can verify for youself with TRACE /ON or by putting SHOW ARGS as the first command in DOCMD. I ran your SETUP macro myself, supplying a "Prompt>" string four times, and it worked fine. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 5 15:12:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11492 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29678 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:07:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: grante@visi.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: Macro prameters containing spaces? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:07:36 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9aif5j$sbs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >: I'm trying to automate some stuff done via serial port using >: CKermit 7. My local B&N didn't carry the book, so I've ordered >: a copy. But, in the meanwhile, I'm stuck on trying to write a >: macro where one of the parameters is a string that may have >: spaces in it: >: >: define docmd { >: output \fcontents(\%2) >: output \13 >: input \%1 Prompt> >: if failure echo FAILURE >: } >: >: define setup { >: docmd 1 hello >: docmd 1 "ip 192.168.1.11 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1" That apparently needs to be: docmd 1 {ip 192.168.1.11 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1} The double-quotes are apparently passed as normal text, so with the previous version the second parameter is "ip, the third is 192.168.1.11, etc. >There's nothing wrong with your script as far as argument >passing is concerned, as you can verify for youself with TRACE >/ON or by putting SHOW ARGS as the first command in DOCMD. I >ran your SETUP macro myself, supplying a "Prompt>" string four >times, and it worked fine. It worked fine once I used curly-braces instead of double-quotes to quote the parameter string. As usual: pull your hair out for hours with no results. Post the question to Usenet, and you figure it out minutes later. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I have a very good at DENTAL PLAN. Thank you. visi.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 5 16:42:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23886 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02617 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:18:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Macro prameters containing spaces? Date: 5 Apr 2001 20:18:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9aijtq$2hm$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Grant Edwards wrote: : That apparently needs to be: : : docmd 1 {ip 192.168.1.11 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1} : : The double-quotes are apparently passed as normal text, so with : the previous version the second parameter is "ip, the third is : 192.168.1.11, etc. : Sorry. I should have read your message more carefully. You said C-Kermit 7 and I thought 7.1, but you obviously have 7.0. Braces work in all versions of C-Kermit back to 5A. Doublequotes were added in 7.1: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck71.html For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x6 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 5 17:12:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06505 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04115 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:54:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: grante@visi.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: Macro prameters containing spaces? Message-ID: <6Y4z6.11084$SB2.1267140@ruti.visi.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:54:26 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9aijtq$2hm$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >: That apparently needs to be: >: >: docmd 1 {ip 192.168.1.11 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1} >: >: The double-quotes are apparently passed as normal text, so with >: the previous version the second parameter is "ip, the third is >: 192.168.1.11, etc. >: >Sorry. I should have read your message more carefully. You said >C-Kermit 7 and I thought 7.1, but you obviously have 7.0. I'll upgrade to 7.1. ;) -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I feel partially at hydrogenated! visi.com From news@columbia.edu 12 Apr 2001 21:23:03 GMT Article 12336 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: fastest file transfer protocol Date: 12 Apr 2001 21:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9b56bn$158$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9b53jn$um3$1@news.netmar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 987110583 1192 128.59.39.2 (12 Apr 2001 21:23:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2001 21:23:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:327656 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12336 In article <9b53jn$um3$1@news.netmar.com>, wrote: : I was wondering, what the fastest protocol might be. : After trying rcp, rsync & ftp I found ftp to be the fastest one (at least : in my environment). : Is that, how it's likely or is there something, being faster? : FTP is nothing more than a straight copy of the file over a TCP/IP connection ("ASCII" mode also adds record-format conversion, which slows it down a bit). Kermit over a direct TCP connection (without intervening Telnet server), e.g. on an IKSD (Internet Kermit Service Daemon) connection: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html can be faster than ftp for uncompressed files, mode for mode (ASCII and binary), because it also does a simple form of on-the-fly compression, whereas FTP does not compress at all. Kermit has a bit more overhead than FTP, so unless the compression offsets it, it can also be a bit slower (but not much, depending on the client). Other protocols might exist that incorporate fancier forms of compression (e.g. LZW and its derivatives) but in that case the CPU can become the bottleneck. You can run IKSD servers (secure ones, even) on Linux or any other form of UNIX. Clients too, plus on Windows and lots of other platforms. By the way, when transerring data using any protocol at all over a dialup connection, the modems are very likely to add their own layer of compression. Thus in the worst case, you could have a precompressed file, transferred by a data-compressing protocol, across a data-compressing modem connection. In cases like this, the transfer can be slightly (but measurably) slower than if one or two of the compression layers was omitted. - Frank From news@columbia.edu 16 Apr 2001 15:28:43 -0400 Article 12339 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Rosen Prince Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit and Novell TCP/IP - HELP !!!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:28:43 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B2B0296@MailAndNews.com> X-InterChange-Posted-By: rosyprince@MailAndNews.com Sender: Rosen Prince X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.08 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12339 I am using DOS with Novel TCP/IP and need to transfer files to a Unix server using MSKermit (over 10MBs ethernet). My problem is Kermit works fine with the ODI packet driver, but stops working if I load the TCP/IP stack (for another application). How can I have Kermit working with Novel TCP/IP? From news@columbia.edu 16 Apr 01 15:49:50 MDT Article 12340 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit and Novell TCP/IP - HELP !!!!!! Message-ID: <1+STzZkx3EQ3@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Apr 01 15:49:50 MDT References: <3B2B0296@MailAndNews.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12340 In article <3B2B0296@MailAndNews.com>, Rosen Prince writes: > I am using DOS with Novel TCP/IP and need to transfer files to a Unix server > using MSKermit (over 10MBs ethernet). My problem is Kermit works fine with > the > ODI packet driver, but stops working if I load the TCP/IP stack (for another > application). How can I have Kermit working with Novel TCP/IP? --------- A fundamental rule is only one protocol stack of a given kind over a single lan adapter. The easy way to remember why is to consider what happens when a packet arrives from outside. To which stack will it be delivered? Not to both. If to the wrong one the connection is killed dead. Oh dear. We say this in the MSK documentation. Novell's 16-bit (real mode) TCP/IP stack component of Lan WorkPlace for DOS has a serial port emulator to which MSK can attach. Please review the MSK docs for details on its operation. Another alternative is add a second Ethernet board, assuming you can get an IP address asssigned. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu 17 Apr 2001 18:23:29 GMT Article 12341 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Witherington" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Secure File transfer Please reply via email Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:23:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.199.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 987531809 209.162.199.17 (Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:23:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:23:29 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:22:09 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12341 Greetings, I need to initiate a secure file transfer from a linux machine using C-Kermit 6.0.192 to a windows machine running Kermit 95. I have read and re-read the document entitled "Security Features For Authentication and Encryption Of TCP/IP Connections" and I am completely lost. I dont understand what I need to do. Could someone please reply to this email with the commands that I would need to type to initiate this transfer using only commands supported by the C-Kermit version stated above? I need this to function without upgrading to a new version as I have over 5000 machines in the field that use C-Kermit and I think that you will agree that that would be a MONSTROUS task to recompile and or upgrade all of those machines. Can this be accomplised with a script of some kind? Also please note that I can not use any thrid party software/packages or services. Please reply via email to mikehss@earthlink.net Michael R. Witherington II HSS Limited From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 17 16:13:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18386 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02130 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Testing 1 2 3 Date: 17 Apr 2001 19:49:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9bi6or$22f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu This is a test message to see if the automatic archiving of the Kermit newsgroup still works after the FTP server upgrade. The FTP server upgrade itself should be transparent to the world unless for people who are using a numeric IP address (and even that should still work, but sloooowly). For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftphlp.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 18 15:44:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17164 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24464 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:20:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Steve" Subject: Remote Host Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:24:11 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am trying to play around with the remote host command from a MSK 3.15 computer to a K95 computer and I am sure I have a basic misunderstanding about how this should work but whenever I try to run the remote host command on the 3.15 pc, I get a remote host disabled message. I thought I had done this before but it might have been 3.15 on both ends. The goal here is to have the 3.15 PC send a file then have the 3.15 PC tell the K95 PC to run a specific app then have the 3.15 PC get a file that was created by the app. Any thoughts what I am doing wrong? Thanks, Steve From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 18 17:44:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14571 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00725 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:32:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Remote Host Message-ID: Date: 18 Apr 01 15:08:26 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , "Steve" writes: > I am trying to play around with the remote host command from a MSK 3.15 > computer to a K95 computer and I am sure I have a basic misunderstanding > about how this should work but whenever I try to run the remote host command > on the 3.15 pc, I get a remote host disabled message. I thought I had done > this before but it might have been 3.15 on both ends. > > The goal here is to have the 3.15 PC send a file then have the 3.15 PC tell > the K95 PC to run a specific app then have the 3.15 PC get a file that was > created by the app. > > Any thoughts what I am doing wrong? > Thanks, > Steve ------------ Look at the ENABLE and DISABLE commands, and SHOW SERVER. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 21 15:03:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10793 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04539 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:48:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: telnet file transfer Date: 21 Apr 2001 18:48:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9bskm1$4dp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3AE1B392.CCF45BA9@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, Stefan Meinlschmidt wrote: : > Better use scp, that's the whole goal of scp ;-) : > scp /path/to/local_file : > loginname@ip.of.remote.computer:/path/to/destination : : Fully agree, provided that you have it. I have a machine here with ssh : but with a broken scp. If you don't have ssh (and rsh/rcp) at all, you : can still pipe your data through a telnet session. : Again, it's not *all* you can do. Kermit is a Telnet client that can transfer files over its own Telnet connection: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ This answers the original poster's question about how to transfer a file over a Telnet connection. Such questions always quickly veer off-topic when answered by "don't use Telnet, use ssh or scp", but let's not be too quick to condemn trusty old FTP and Telnet. First of all, they are not *inherently* insecure. Secure versions of both are available: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html as well as secure clients. Second, these secure versions of Telnet and FTP use reliable, standard, and manageable security methods such as Kerberos 4 and 5, SSL/TSL, and SRP, rather than SSH, which has some rather serious flaws and risks that everybody likes to overlook, simply because SSH is easy to install. It's not far off the mark to say the "easier" the security method, the greater the risks. Third, Telnet continues to offer many convenience features not found in the alternatives, via its extensive and fully standardized negotiation and in-band command mechanism. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 21 22:33:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17892 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20762 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:13:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: r@your_host.com (cLIeNUX user) Subject: Re: telnet file transfer Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:08:43 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu humbubba@smart.net >In article <3AE1B392.CCF45BA9@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, >Stefan Meinlschmidt wrote: >: > Better use scp, that's the whole goal of scp ;-) >: > scp /path/to/local_file >: > loginname@ip.of.remote.computer:/path/to/destination >: >: Fully agree, provided that you have it. I have a machine here with ssh >: but with a broken scp. If you don't have ssh (and rsh/rcp) at all, you >: can still pipe your data through a telnet session. >: >Again, it's not *all* you can do. Kermit is a Telnet client that can >transfer files over its own Telnet connection: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > >This answers the original poster's question about how to transfer a file >over a Telnet connection. > >Such questions always quickly veer off-topic when answered by "don't use >Telnet, use ssh or scp", but let's not be too quick to condemn trusty old >FTP and Telnet. First of all, they are not *inherently* insecure. Secure >versions of both are available: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html > >as well as secure clients. > >Second, these secure versions of Telnet and FTP use reliable, standard, >and manageable security methods such as Kerberos 4 and 5, SSL/TSL, and >SRP, rather than SSH, which has some rather serious flaws and risks that >everybody likes to overlook, simply because SSH is easy to install. >It's not far off the mark to say the "easier" the security method, the >greater the risks. > >Third, Telnet continues to offer many convenience features not found in >the alternatives, via its extensive and fully standardized negotiation >and in-band command mechanism. > >- Frank What do you recommend for secure shell connections? For those that don't know, Frank is the maintainer of C-Kermit, one of the grand old projects on the net. Rick Hohensee www.clienux.com <--- small distro using C-Kermit for telnet From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 22 15:03:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00852 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25148 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Eberhard W Lisse Subject: Re: Secure File transfer Please reply via email Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:54:15 +0200 Organization: Swakopmund State Hospital Message-ID: <4416878.EvYhyI6sBW@ac.lisse.na> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On Tuesday 17 April 2001 20:23 Michael Witherington wrote: > I need to initiate a secure file transfer from a linux machine using > C-Kermit 6.0.192 to a windows machine running Kermit 95. ssh el -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el108 * | Swakopmund State Hospital Private Bag 5004 \ / Telephone: +49 177 214 3196 (cell) Swakopmund, Namibia ;____/ Currently on Post Graduate Study Leave From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 22 17:03:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12157 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29532 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Secure File transfer Please reply via email Date: 22 Apr 2001 20:52:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9bvgba$sqp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <4416878.EvYhyI6sBW@ac.lisse.na>, Eberhard W Lisse wrote: : On Tuesday 17 April 2001 20:23 Michael Witherington wrote: : > I need to initiate a secure file transfer from a linux machine using : > C-Kermit 6.0.192 to a windows machine running Kermit 95. : : ssh : No, believe it or not, ssh is not the answer to every question. Michael worded his question carefully, specifying the software and versions that he has available, which happen to be scattered over hundreds locations. The real answer is: there is no way to accomplish secure transfers using the software combinations that he has available, not without installing additional software of some kind (something he did not wish to do because of the many scattered sites). Since additional software must be installed, it might as well be C-Kermit 7.0 (or soon 7.1) which supports the same security methods as the current Kermit 95 release. These are described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security.html <-- C-Kermit 7.0 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security71.html <-- C-Kermit 7.1 Also, as noted previously, we do not believe SSH is a particularly safe or reliable security method compared to the ones supported by Kermit, which are Kerberos 4 and 5, SSL/TLS, and SRP. Some of the reasons are listed here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#ssh This does not mean we won't be adding SSH 2 (and maybe 1) support in future Kermit releases. The requests for it have been defeaning and arguments against it are futile. But if we do add it, we will describe the pitfalls in the documentation rather than painting it as some kind of ultimate security solution. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 22 17:33:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07214 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00173 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: telnet file transfer Date: 22 Apr 2001 21:07:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9bvh72$5a$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , cLIeNUX user wrote: : ... : What do you recommend for secure shell connections? : At the moment we recommend SSL/TLS, SRP, or Kerberos 4 or 5, none of which have the vulnerabilities of SSH. Of course we provide clients for these security methods, and servers are listed here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html We also have our own server that supports these methods: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html Of course the problem with centrally managed security schemes is that they are difficult to set up. The high startup cost, however, pays off down the road when security violations actually occur. Since identities are kept centrally in a safe place, rather than on PC hard disks all over the Internet, security violations can be handled centrally too, by revoking identities or certificates. Distributed methods such as SSH are unmanageable by their very nature. If you have keys on your PC for 100 hosts all over the net, and somebody steals your key file and decrypts it offline, they have access to all 100 hosts. Suppose this happens while you are away on vacation. The network security team at your site has no way of cleaning up this mess. After this kind of thing happens a few times, they might wish they had taken the trouble to institute a more manageable security scheme. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 23 00:33:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01802 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14977 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:54:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: r@your_host.com (cLIeNUX user) Subject: Re: telnet file transfer Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 03:54:39 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu humbubba@smart.net >In article , >cLIeNUX user wrote: >: ... >: What do you recommend for secure shell connections? >: >At the moment we recommend SSL/TLS, SRP, or Kerberos 4 or 5, none of >which have the vulnerabilities of SSH. Of course we provide clients for >these security methods, and servers are listed here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html > >We also have our own server that supports these methods: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html > >Of course the problem with centrally managed security schemes is that they >are difficult to set up. The high startup cost, however, pays off down >the road when security violations actually occur. Since identities are >kept centrally in a safe place, rather than on PC hard disks all over the >Internet, security violations can be handled centrally too, by revoking >identities or certificates. Distributed methods such as SSH are >unmanageable by their very nature. If you have keys on your PC for 100 >hosts all over the net, and somebody steals your key file and decrypts it >offline, they have access to all 100 hosts. Suppose this happens while >you are away on vacation. The network security team at your site has no >way of cleaning up this mess. After this kind of thing happens a few >times, they might wish they had taken the trouble to institute a more >manageable security scheme. > >- Frank Thanks. Is the distributed nature of SSH your only problem with it? I'm absolutely clueless about this stuff, BTW. The only server I turn on in cLIeNUX is in.identd since IRC nets/channels seem to want it these days. Rick Hohensee www.clienux.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 23 07:33:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29214 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00421 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:04:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: Re: Testing 1 2 3 From: nkj@manbw.dk (Niels Kristian Jensen) Message-ID: <908C8C288nkjmanbwdk@172.16.1.41> Date: 23 Apr 2001 12:57:46 +0100 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) skrev i <9bi6or$22f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>: >This is a test message to see if the automatic archiving of the Kermit >newsgroup still works after the FTP server upgrade. > >The FTP server upgrade itself should be transparent to the world unless >for people who are using a numeric IP address (and even that should still >work, but sloooowly). For details see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftphlp.html > >- Frank > "We read you loud and clear" :-) Best regards, Niels Kristian Jensen MAN B&W Diesel A/S, Denmark This a personal message, not an official MAN B&W statement. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 23 08:03:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12887 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01671 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:36:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "jean-luc" Subject: Kermit embedded in Labview ? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:39:51 +0200 Message-ID: <3ae4138b_1@news.datacomm.ch> Organization: Customers of Tiscali DataComm AG - http://www.tiscalinet.ch/ To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu ever seen a VI managing Kermit file transfer ? From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 23 09:03:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22832 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04645 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:01:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3AE4279A.267247FE@macrotex.net> From: "Adam H. Lewenberg" Subject: Re: Secure File transfer Please reply via email Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:01:14 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I think (by now) we have got the message that some of the Kermit developers are not enamored with ssh and even have good technical reasons for holding their negative opinions of this product. But the security arguments miss the point: the vast majority of users who need telnet support have no secure connection choice other than ssh. It would be nice if all (or even many) of the sysadmins around the world installed a better security product but they haven't and probably won't: ssh is just too easy. The alternative---unencrypted telnet connections--- will soon vanish as sysadmins turn off these ports. So, I hope that the Kermit development folks can swallow their disappointment that VHS is prevailing over BETA and make the ssh client version of Kermit and Kermit95 available as soon as possible. The Kermit platform is unequalled in essenatially every other way (terminal emulation, scripting, etc.) and it would be a shame to see it languish because people are forced to use some inferior ssh client. Respectfully yours, A. Lewenberg Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <4416878.EvYhyI6sBW@ac.lisse.na>, > Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > : On Tuesday 17 April 2001 20:23 Michael Witherington wrote: > : > I need to initiate a secure file transfer from a linux machine using > : > C-Kermit 6.0.192 to a windows machine running Kermit 95. > : > : ssh > : > No, believe it or not, ssh is not the answer to every question. Michael > worded his question carefully, specifying the software and versions that > he has available, which happen to be scattered over hundreds locations. > The real answer is: there is no way to accomplish secure transfers using > the software combinations that he has available, not without installing > additional software of some kind (something he did not wish to do because > of the many scattered sites). Since additional software must be installed, > it might as well be C-Kermit 7.0 (or soon 7.1) which supports the same > security methods as the current Kermit 95 release. These are described > here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security.html <-- C-Kermit 7.0 > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security71.html <-- C-Kermit 7.1 > > Also, as noted previously, we do not believe SSH is a particularly safe > or reliable security method compared to the ones supported by Kermit, > which are Kerberos 4 and 5, SSL/TLS, and SRP. Some of the reasons are > listed here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#ssh > > This does not mean we won't be adding SSH 2 (and maybe 1) support in > future Kermit releases. The requests for it have been defeaning and > arguments against it are futile. But if we do add it, we will describe > the pitfalls in the documentation rather than painting it as some kind of > ultimate security solution. > > - Frank -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Adam Lewenberg (217) 373-8173 voice and fax adam@macrotex.net From news@columbia.edu 24 Apr 2001 15:30:40 -0600 Message-ID: <3AE5F080.39E90208@srv.net> From: Kevin Handy Organization: Software Solutions, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 and Printing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:17:25 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:30:40 -0600 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12363 I'm helping a client set up kermit95 on PC's (to connect to an Alpha/VMS system), and am having printing problems. The program sends escape sequences for the printer while in printer passthrough mode, which works fine on real VT??? terminals, and k95 when going to a DOS device. However, they want to be able to use the printer port to send to a windows que printer. When I try this, windows 98 does very bad things. It takes the print job, and sends it to the printer a few lines per page (aparently every time the printer port is turned on/off it does a page break, instead of waiting for the printer timeout value), and all the escape sequences are stripped out/rudely mangled. Is there some way around these problems? From news@columbia.edu 24 Apr 2001 21:29:22 GMT Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit95 and Printing Date: 24 Apr 2001 21:29:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <9c4r7i$cnc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3AE5F080.39E90208@srv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 988147762 13036 128.59.39.2 (24 Apr 2001 21:29:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2001 21:29:22 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12364 In article <3AE5F080.39E90208@srv.net>, Kevin Handy wrote: : I'm helping a client set up kermit95 on PC's (to connect to an : Alpha/VMS system), and am having printing problems. : : The program sends escape sequences for the printer while in printer : passthrough mode, which works fine on real VT??? terminals, and k95 : when going to a DOS device. : : However, they want to be able to use the printer port to send to a : windows que printer. When I try this, windows 98 does very bad : things. It takes the print job, and sends it to the printer a few : lines per page (aparently every time the printer port is turned on/off : it does a page break, instead of waiting for the printer timeout : value), and all the escape sequences are stripped out/rudely mangled. : : Is there some way around these problems? : See the file:///C|/K95/DOCS/manual/printer.htm (replace path by wherever K95 was installed if not C:\K95\). Read about the SET PRINTER switches, particularly: /TIMEOUT[:number] The number of seconds to wait after the host "closes" the printer before terminating the print job if the printer is not opened again during the specified amount of time. Normally 0, meaning to terminate the print job right away. Specify a positive number after the colon; if you omit the colon and number, 0 is used. Example of usage: some host applications print a series of lines by opening and closing the printer for each line, which would create a print job for each line, which in the worst case, might wind up printing each line on a separate page; use this option to "merge" the lines into a single print job. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 23 10:03:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07246 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07062 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:52:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit embedded in Labview ? Date: 23 Apr 2001 13:51:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9c1c1u$6sj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3ae4138b_1@news.datacomm.ch>, jean-luc wrote: : ever seen a VI managing Kermit file transfer ? : What is a VI? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 23 12:33:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22234 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16855 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Secure File transfer Please reply via email Date: 23 Apr 2001 16:26:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9c1l3g$gek$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3AE4279A.267247FE@macrotex.net>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : I think (by now) we have got the message that some : of the Kermit developers are not enamored with ssh : and even have good technical reasons for holding their : negative opinions of this product. : ... : So, I hope that the Kermit development folks can : swallow their disappointment that VHS : is prevailing over BETA and make the ssh client : version of Kermit and Kermit95 available as soon as : possible. : That is actually our plan, but not our top priority, which, after all these years, must be the long-awaited GUI version. Unfortunately we can't do both and have something ready in a reasonable amount of time. : The Kermit platform is unequalled : in essenatially every other way (terminal emulation, : scripting, etc.) and it would be a shame to see : it languish because people are forced to use : some inferior ssh client. : Or because it's not in GUI form. But thanks for the "unequalled" comment. It would be helpful if more people who felt this way would say so in public to help get the word out, so we are not forced to beat our own drum in the wilderness quite so much. By the way, if it were not Kermit 95 you were interested in, but C-Kermit, I would point out that you *can* have ssh Kermit sessions, as described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html#x2.7.4.1 (This works better in C-Kermit 7.1 than 7.0, however.) Windows, however, is not amenable to such techniques. For old time's sake I'd also mention that there once was a time when users would contribute code to Kermit programs. Although K95 source is not open, C-Kermit source certainly is, and anybody who really wants to help us make progress on SSH integration is more than welcome to pitch in. This is how the Internet used to work. - Frank From news@columbia.edu 26 Apr 2001 14:24:24 GMT Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: copying a file to a ftp-server Date: 26 Apr 2001 14:24:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <9c9b2o$gej$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <20010426.13080200@risa.athome> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 988295064 16851 128.59.39.2 (26 Apr 2001 14:24:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2001 14:24:24 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:329852 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12367 In article <20010426.13080200@risa.athome>, wrote: : Dear newgroup, : : how do i put a single file to a ftp server from the command line. With=20 : the ftp program i always end up in interactive mode, but i want to do=20 : this from within a script. : : So i need something like: ftpcopy myfile ftp://myftpserver : If you use the new Kermit FTP client: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html you can do it like this: ftp -A kermit.columbia.edu -D kermit/incoming -bp debug.log In this example: ftp is a symlink to the C-Kermit 7.1 binary -A means "log in as user anonymous" -D means CD to the given directory -b means force binary mode -p means PUT You can also specify a real username and password: ftp -u christian.verbeek -P secret ... And before anybody objects that cleartext passwords should never be used: 1. Sometimes you have no choice. 2. The Kermit FTP client supports several secure authentication methods: Kerberos 4, Kerberos 5 GSSAPI, SRP, SSL/TLS. Secure FTP servers are available. To find out more, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu 26 Apr 2001 14:44:17 GMT Sender: default@cc253090-a.sumt1.nj.home.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: copying a file to a ftp-server References: <20010426.13080200@risa.athome> <9c9b2o$gej$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Dan Espen Message-ID: Organization: Telcordia Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Crater Lake) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:44:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.184.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.nj.home.com 988296257 24.3.184.51 (Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:44:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:44:17 PDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:329853 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12368 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <20010426.13080200@risa.athome>, > wrote: > : Dear newgroup, > : > : how do i put a single file to a ftp server from the command line. With=20 > : the ftp program i always end up in interactive mode, but i want to do=20 > : this from within a script. > : > : So i need something like: ftpcopy myfile ftp://myftpserver > : > If you use the new Kermit FTP client: Thats nice but not necessary. Put the username and password in your .netrc. You don't want your password in a script, and its simpler that way. Then do this: (\ echo "put filename\n"\ "close\n"\ "quit\n"\ ) | ftp hostname From news@columbia.edu 26 Apr 2001 15:04:18 GMT From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: copying a file to a ftp-server Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:04:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <9c9ddi$i7f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <20010426.13080200@risa.athome> <9c9b2o$gej$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 988297458 18671 128.59.39.2 (26 Apr 2001 15:04:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:04:18 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:329856 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12369 In article , Dan Espen wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > In article <20010426.13080200@risa.athome>, : > wrote: : > : how do i put a single file to a ftp server from the command line. With=20 : > : the ftp program i always end up in interactive mode, but i want to do=20 : > : this from within a script. : > : : > : So i need something like: ftpcopy myfile ftp://myftpserver : > : : > If you use the new Kermit FTP client: : : Thats nice but not necessary. : : Put the username and password in your .netrc. You don't want : your password in a script, and its simpler that way. Then do this: : : (\ : echo "put filename\n"\ : "close\n"\ : "quit\n"\ : ) | ftp hostname : There are two separate issues: How to put a file from the command line, and how to protect passwords. If a particular FTP program lets you put files from the command line, that would seem to address the first issue better than editing files and stuffing echo commands into the standard input of a dumb ftp client, which might or might not work, depending on the client. As for password safety, putting passwords in the .netrc file is no safer than putting them in scripts. The only solution to this problem is to use secure authentication methods. But the limiting factor in this case is whether a secure server is available on the other end. At the moment, this is generally not the case. But increasingly, it can be. As noted previously, secure FTP servers are available: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html and as time goes on they will find their way into standard UNIX distributions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 26 17:45:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07889 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06643 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:34:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3AE89513.19D4DF4E@plustechnologies.com> From: Rich Gray Organization: Plus Technologies Div. of Digital Controls Corp. Subject: Re: copying a file to a ftp-server Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:37:23 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <20010426.13080200@risa.athome>, > wrote: > : > : how do i put a single file to a ftp server from the command line. With=20 > : the ftp program i always end up in interactive mode, but i want to do=20 > : this from within a script. > : > : So i need something like: ftpcopy myfile ftp://myftpserver > : > If you use the new Kermit FTP client: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html > > you can do it like this: > > ftp -A kermit.columbia.edu -D kermit/incoming -bp debug.log > > In this example: > > ftp is a symlink to the C-Kermit 7.1 binary > -A means "log in as user anonymous" > -D means CD to the given directory > -b means force binary mode > -p means PUT > > You can also specify a real username and password: > > ftp -u christian.verbeek -P secret ... > > And before anybody objects that cleartext passwords should never be used: > > 1. Sometimes you have no choice. Yep! :-( > > 2. The Kermit FTP client supports several secure authentication > methods: Kerberos 4, Kerberos 5 GSSAPI, SRP, SSL/TLS. > > Secure FTP servers are available. To find out more, see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html > > - Frank And subsequently wrote: >... > As for password safety, putting passwords in the .netrc file is no safer > than putting them in scripts. The only solution to this problem is to > use secure authentication methods. But the limiting factor in this case > is whether a secure server is available on the other end. At the moment, > this is generally not the case. But increasingly, it can be. As noted > previously, secure FTP servers are available: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html > > and as time goes on they will find their way into standard UNIX > distributions. > > - Frank There can be a heck of a difference between getting a userid/password from a .netrc file or some other indirect source and specifiying directly on the command line. If you put it in on a command line, it can show up in ps! Talk about exposed! A non-command line user:password is at least "secured" by file permissions. The cURL (http://curl.haxx.se) utility has the ability to take parameters from a file or standard input. I use it to do an ftp transfer by invoking it in a popen(), piping in parms I don't want to show up on the command line (like -u user:password) and letting things I want visible in ps go on the command line. I trust kermit has a similar capability? Cheers! Rich mailto:richNOgSPAM@plustechnologies.com (remove NO SPAM to reply) From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 26 18:15:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09520 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07283 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:49:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: copying a file to a ftp-server Date: 26 Apr 2001 21:49:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9ca54p$73g$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3AE89513.19D4DF4E@plustechnologies.com>, Rich Gray wrote: : ... : There can be a heck of a difference between getting a userid/password : from a .netrc file or some other indirect source and specifiying : directly on the command line. If you put it in on a command line, it : can show up in ps! Talk about exposed! : That's true, of course, but at least in that case it's ephemeral. If you put it in a file, it is open to snatching twenty-four/seven. If your computer ID can be hacked into, it's best if you don't leave the keys to all your other computer IDs sitting out in the open, in a well-known place, for the hacker to pick up. : A non-command line user:password : is at least "secured" by file permissions. The cURL : (http://curl.haxx.se) utility has the ability to take parameters from a : file or standard input. I use it to do an ftp transfer by invoking it : in a popen(), piping in parms I don't want to show up on the command : line (like -u user:password) and letting things I want visible in ps go : on the command line. I trust kermit has a similar capability? : Yes, Kermit can take commands from a file or standard input. It can also ask you for the password at the point at which it needs it (and not echo when you type it). In fact, the major benefit of the Kermit FTP client is not so much that you can initiate transfers from the command line, but that you can program complex FTP operations in portable scripts as described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 27 13:15:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23278 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12878 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:57:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3AE9A785.84FFA331@srv.net> From: Kevin Handy Organization: Software Solutions, Inc Subject: Re: Kermit95 and Printing Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:08:21 -0600 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <3AE5F080.39E90208@srv.net>, Kevin Handy wrote: > : I'm helping a client set up kermit95 on PC's (to connect to an > : Alpha/VMS system), and am having printing problems. > : > : The program sends escape sequences for the printer while in printer > : passthrough mode, which works fine on real VT??? terminals, and k95 > : when going to a DOS device. > : > : However, they want to be able to use the printer port to send to a > : windows que printer. When I try this, windows 98 does very bad > : things. It takes the print job, and sends it to the printer a few > : lines per page (aparently every time the printer port is turned on/off > : it does a page break, instead of waiting for the printer timeout > : value), and all the escape sequences are stripped out/rudely mangled. > : > : Is there some way around these problems? > : > See the file:///C|/K95/DOCS/manual/printer.htm (replace path by wherever > K95 was installed if not C:\K95\). Read about the SET PRINTER switches, > particularly: > > /TIMEOUT[:number] > The number of seconds to wait after the host "closes" the printer > before terminating the print job if the printer is not opened > again during the specified amount of time. Normally 0, meaning to > terminate the print job right away. Specify a positive number > after the colon; if you omit the colon and number, 0 is used. > Example of usage: some host applications print a series of lines > by opening and closing the printer for each line, which would > create a print job for each line, which in the worst case, might > wind up printing each line on a separate page; use this option to > "merge" the lines into a single print job. This helps with the page-per-line problem, but it still doesn't allow for the escape sequences to work. Is there a way to use the Windows printer network, but still be able to use escape sequences (to set font size and such) From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 27 13:45:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02122 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14120 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:27:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit95 and Printing Date: 27 Apr 2001 17:27:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9cca6e$dp5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu : This helps with the page-per-line problem, but it still doesn't : allow for the escape sequences to work. Is there a way to use the : Windows printer network, but still be able to use escape sequences : (to set font size and such) K95 opens the printer queue in RAW mode. This means that whatever data is sent by the host is sent to the printer without alteration. It is exactly the same as if you were to print to a file and then copy the file byte for byte into the printer. When you print to the printer via a DOS device, the printer output is not sent in RAW mode but is instead interpretted by the printer device driver install on Windows for use by 16-bit DOS applications. This is a print redirector and it is not guarranteed to be transparent. In order for the host to send printer sequences to the printer, the host must know exactly what type of data the printer needs. You can verify that the sequences being sent by the host are in fact being sent to the printer by Pausing the Printer Queue and then examining the spool file for the print job. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 29 15:15:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25552 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24519 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:58:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: A milestone Date: 29 Apr 2001 18:57:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9cho7n$nu5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Rather than let this beautiful New York City Spring day pass with nothing but spam posted to the Kermit newsgroup, I thought I would mention that this is the 20th anniversary of the first Kermit file transfer. You can see a link to some of the history on the Kermit Project home page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ And from there, additional links to more history. We're still here and working hard on the forthcoming releases of C-Kermit, Kermit 95, and a new edition of the C-Kermit book. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 30 10:15:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08046 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29104 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:06:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: FTP delete after put ? Date: 30 Apr 2001 14:06:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9cjrgn$sdd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Kevin McBrearty wrote: : I am using a here document to FTP files from a local server to a remote : machine. I would like the script to delete the files from the local server : once they have been transferred, but only if the transfer was successful. I : don't see any way to do this with FTP. Can anyone suggest something ? : The new Kermit FTP client can do this: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html Example: C-Kermit> ftp xyzcorp.com /user:myname Password: xxxxx [ Note: secure authentication methods are also available ] C-Kermit> rcd somedirectory ; "rcd" = "remote cd" C-Kermit> mput /delete * C-Kermit> bye The MPUT /DELETE command sends a file or group of files (text or binary, it doesn't matter; Kermit switches automatically between text and binary mode for each file), deleting each source file after, and if and only if, it was uploaded successfully. For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3 and in particular: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3.5.1 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 30 13:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14644 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07875 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:27:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: renaming during ftp Date: 30 Apr 2001 17:27:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9ck79a$7m0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9ck60u$hds$1@kermit.esat.net>, Dermot Beirne wrote: : We have a HP 9000 server running 10.20 that sends files to a customer using : ftp. These files are renamed to include the time after being sent, and put : in a backup directory. The current script is sending a file, quitting out : of ftp, then renaming it and backing it up, then logging in again to send : the next one, and so on! This means the files are timestamped with the time : they were sent, which is what we want, but because there could typically be : 200 or 300 files every few minutes, this is very slow and inefficent. : Yes indeed. You would like to have an FTP client that can do all this on a per-file basis automatically, right? HP-UX comes with a program called "kermit". The version bundled with HP-UX 10.20 is 6.0, which does most of this with Kermit (not FTP) protocol. Version 7.0 (which HP hasn't picked up yet) does even more of this, but still not with FTP protocol. Version 7.1, which HP will pick up for HP-UX 11.20, does all this for FTP connections too. It has a whole built-in, scriptable FTP client. You can try it right now. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html and (for a tutorial on FTP scripting): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html It is available for HP-UX 10.20 and every other version of HP-UX from 5.21 to 11.xx. : This will send all the files starting with p to the customer. If the script : has to send 300 files in one go, by the time it gets to timestamping and : backing them up, the times can but several minutes out. I would like to : timestamp them at the time they were actually sent and then send the next : one without logging out. Has anyone done this? If so then any advice would : be appreciated. : It can do all this too, but it's a bit too much to explain in this message. If you pick up the C-Kermit 7.1 FTP client and start working with it, I'll be glad to help you with this part. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 30 18:45:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09433 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24661 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:43:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fred smith Subject: Re: A milestone Organization: None! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:40:41 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: : Rather than let this beautiful New York City Spring day pass with nothing : but spam posted to the Kermit newsgroup, A noble goal! : I thought I would mention that : this is the 20th anniversary of the first Kermit file transfer. Congratulations,... Happy 20th! : We're still here and working hard on the forthcoming releases of C-Kermit, : Kermit 95, and a new edition of the C-Kermit book. Watch this space for : announcements. Watching.... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .---- Fred Smith / ( /__ ,__. __ __ / __ : / / / / /__) / / /__) .+' Home: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us / / (__ (___ (__(_ (___ / :__ 781-438-5471 -------------------------------- Jude 1:24,25 --------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 30 20:15:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22300 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27620 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:56:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3AEDFBAE.50CE1602@worldnet.att.net> From: "David L. Harfst" Subject: Re: renaming during ftp Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:56:51 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu The kermit solution assumes that the remote system also has kermit. Kermit is a cool program, when you get into scripting and the like. ftp can be used to rename files as well, though. Don't know how it would work into your script but, put filenameX filenameY sends filenameX and renames it to filenameY in the process. Similarly, get filenameX filenameY pulls filenameX from the remote systems and saves it as filenameY. Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <9ck60u$hds$1@kermit.esat.net>, > Dermot Beirne wrote: > : We have a HP 9000 server running 10.20 that sends files to a customer using > : ftp. These files are renamed to include the time after being sent, and put > : in a backup directory. The current script is sending a file, quitting out > : of ftp, then renaming it and backing it up, then logging in again to send > : the next one, and so on! This means the files are timestamped with the time > : they were sent, which is what we want, but because there could typically be > : 200 or 300 files every few minutes, this is very slow and inefficent. > : > Yes indeed. You would like to have an FTP client that can do all this > on a per-file basis automatically, right? > > HP-UX comes with a program called "kermit". The version bundled with > HP-UX 10.20 is 6.0, which does most of this with Kermit (not FTP) protocol. > Version 7.0 (which HP hasn't picked up yet) does even more of this, but > still not with FTP protocol. > > Version 7.1, which HP will pick up for HP-UX 11.20, does all this for FTP > connections too. It has a whole built-in, scriptable FTP client. You can > try it right now. See: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html > > and (for a tutorial on FTP scripting): > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html > > It is available for HP-UX 10.20 and every other version of HP-UX from > 5.21 to 11.xx. > > : This will send all the files starting with p to the customer. If the script > : has to send 300 files in one go, by the time it gets to timestamping and > : backing them up, the times can but several minutes out. I would like to > : timestamp them at the time they were actually sent and then send the next > : one without logging out. Has anyone done this? If so then any advice would > : be appreciated. > : > It can do all this too, but it's a bit too much to explain in this message. > If you pick up the C-Kermit 7.1 FTP client and start working with it, I'll > be glad to help you with this part. > > - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 1 09:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20708 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29452 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:44:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: renaming during ftp Date: 1 May 2001 13:44:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9cmekm$so9$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3AEDFBAE.50CE1602@worldnet.att.net>, David L. Harfst wrote: : The kermit solution assumes that the remote system also has kermit. : Kermit is a cool program, when you get into scripting and the like. : I think you missed the part where I said: : > Version 7.1, which HP will pick up for HP-UX 11.20, does all this for FTP : > connections too. It has a whole built-in, scriptable FTP client. You can : > try it right now. See: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html : > : > and (for a tutorial on FTP scripting): : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html : > : > It is available for HP-UX 10.20 and every other version of HP-UX from : > 5.21 to 11.xx. : In other words, C-Kermit 7.1 *is* an FTP client, with all the scripting that it had already in place for Kermit transfers. : ftp can be used to rename files as well, though. Don't know how it : would work into your script but, : : put filenameX filenameY : : sends filenameX and renames it to filenameY in the process. : : Similarly, : : get filenameX filenameY : : pulls filenameX from the remote systems and saves it as filenameY. : Yes, but only one file at a time. Kermit can do this not only for single files, but also for groups of files, on a per-file basis, with the added capacity (not found in any other FTP client to my knowledge) of performing these actions (deleting or moving the source file, renaming the source or destination file, etc) if and only if the transfer of that file succeeded. The original poster was rather emphatic about the need to do this sort of thing for "*", not just for one file. Anybody who is interested in FTP automation really should take a look at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html This is a new FTP client that is explicitly desiged for automated procedures. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 1 10:15:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12077 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00317 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: renaming during ftp Date: 1 May 2001 13:55:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9cmf8o$9r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9cm3aa$5j4$1@kermit.esat.net>, Dermot Beirne wrote: : Thanks for all your help on that one. : One other question, : : I am using mput p* to send all p files to the remote server. I have : redirected stdout and stderr to files, but neither of them record the files : actually being sent. ie, I'd like to see the output from each file being : sent, as you would see if doing each file manually. : This is another thing the new Kermit FTP client can do for you: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3 The commands are: LOG TRANSACTIONS Record the details of each file transfer in the file called . SET TRANSACTION-LOG { BRIEF, FTP, VERBOSE } Selects one of three transaction-log formats. BRIEF = one-liners, keyword=parameter style. FTP = WU-FTPD style. VERBOSE = Lots of info about each file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 1 13:15:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11048 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11165 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 1 May 2001 13:07:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: era@eracc.hypermart.net (ERA) Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Message-ID: Subject: OS security (was Re: copying a file to a ftp-server) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:03:36 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:37:23, Rich Gray wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > >... > > As for password safety, putting passwords in the .netrc file is > > no safer than putting them in scripts. The only solution to this > > problem is to use secure authentication methods. But the > > limiting factor in this case is whether a secure server is > > available on the other end. At the moment, this is generally not > > the case. But increasingly, it can be. As noted previously, > > secure FTP servers are available: > > > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html > > > > and as time goes on they will find their way into standard UNIX > > distributions. > > > > - Frank > > There can be a heck of a difference between getting a > userid/password from a .netrc file or some other indirect source > and specifiying directly on the command line. If you put it in on > a command line, it can show up in ps! Talk about exposed! .. > > Cheers! > Rich Ahhh, now you are talking about another "kettle of fish". Security of OS commands. On most *nix-like systems I administer that have outside access the majority of commands like ps are available only to root. There is rarely need for the lowly user to have access to these. So unless a cracker has gained root access to your system, in which case passwords are no longer a problem for him/her, no one other than root should be able to use them and thus expose your password. The root user(s) on your system will most likely be the only ones needing access to ps and other utilities in most cases. If you can't *trust* your root user(s) with your passwords then you already have a serious problem. This issue relates to the ftp with c-kermit question only incidentally because of the possible use of a name/pw pair on the command line. It is really an OS security issue about what OS commands should or should not be available to the lowly user. I vote for necessary applications only. Keep the OS administrative commands like ps *out* of their desecrating little paws. :-) Gene -- +=========================-=>Unix & OS/2<=-=========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # # Providing OS/2, OpenServer & Linux Business Computing Solutions # # Please visit our www pages at http://eracc.hypermart.net/ # +===================================================================+ We run IBM OS/2 v.4.00, Revision 9.036 Sysinfo: 40 Processes, 149 Threads, uptime is 0d 0h 41m 55s 716ms From news@columbia.edu Tue May 1 18:15:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21417 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25702 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:50:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Binx Bolling Subject: Re: Kermit embedded in Labview ? Date: 01 May 2001 17:40:22 -0400 Organization: Needs improvement. Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <3ae4138b_1@news.datacomm.ch>, > jean-luc wrote: > : ever seen a VI managing Kermit file transfer ? > : > What is a VI? > > - Frank A VI is a Virtual Instrument, a Labview program. Typically it has a GUI front end on top of a "graphical" program, i.e. a diagram with data-driven I/O, logic, etc. Labview is very popular in labs that need to quickly develop data acquisition and instrument control software for experiments. And yes, I have written a rudimentary labview implementation of the kermit protocol, pretty much lifted from your book, which works over the serial port on a pc, mac or unix machine. Did it mostly to get a feel for labview and to be able to talk to the odd instrument that speaks Kermit. bb From news@columbia.edu Thu May 3 12:50:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.159]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19711 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23421 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29043 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Pedro Braz" Subject: Downlading from C-Kermit on AIX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:35:36 GMT Organization: KPNQwest customer news service To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello, I'm acessing a AIX 4.3 thru a modem and trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.0/3.1). this is the only way I have to access this AIx. I use the modem dial up to it and a Logion prompt comes up. I login to it and got logged in at TTY1. I need to transfer some files to it and tried to use Kermit but I always get a ?can't condition line parameter. I've done a SET LINE /dev/tty1 but nevertheless I cannot transfer the files because I always get that error msg. Can someone give a hand here? I'm using a PC with Hyperterminal to access the AIX.... best Regards Pedro From news@columbia.edu Thu May 3 13:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (kachifo.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.172]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21114 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14101 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29818 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:58:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Downlading from C-Kermit on AIX Date: 3 May 2001 16:58:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9cs2n1$t3n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Pedro Braz wrote: : I'm acessing a AIX 4.3 thru a modem and trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit : 5A(189), 30 June 93, IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.0/3.1). : : this is the only way I have to access this AIx. I use the modem dial up to : it and a Logion prompt comes up. I login to it and got logged in at TTY1. : : I need to transfer some files to it and tried to use Kermit but I always get : a ?can't condition line parameter. I've done a SET LINE /dev/tty1 but : nevertheless I cannot transfer the files because I always get that error : msg. : : Can someone give a hand here? : It's AIX 4.3 but it's running a version of Kermit that was released many years before AIX 4.3 came out, and that was written for AIX 3.x. AIX 4.x is very different from AIX 3.x. You need a version of Kermit that was written for, and built on, AIX 4.3. You can find one here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : I'm using a PC with Hyperterminal to access the AIX.... : The Kermit implementation in Hyperterminal doesn't work very well; good luck. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri May 4 10:20:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from menyapa.cc.columbia.edu (menyapa.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.38]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13896 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by menyapa.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16929 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10410 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:09:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Downlading from C-Kermit on AIX Date: 4 May 2001 14:09:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9cud7c$a57$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Pedro Braz wrote: : The problem is that I have nothing but a modem to connect to this AIX. I was : looking for a way of sending files and receiving them from it. The Modem : only allows me to login to the AIx nothing more. When I connect I get a : Login prompt. So I cannot send a new version of kermit there. : Sure you can. See, for example: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html In particular, read the bootstrapping section: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html#boot This is not the place to come for lessons on how to use Hyperterminal (which is not our product), but assuming it can send an ASCII file without protocol (sometimes called "ASCII upload" or "Text upload"), you can get the following file onto your PC and then send it to AIX: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/uue/gku100.ppc-aix-4.3.2.Z.uue Follow the instructions in the aforementioned section of the G-Kermit web page, and then you have a Kermit program on AIX 4.3. But again: : > The Kermit implementation in Hyperterminal doesn't work very well; : > good luck. If you want a Kermit program for Windows that works correctly and that goes fast and that we can support, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri May 4 19:07:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.159]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24991 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05474 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25751 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:03:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: ftp - if the file already exists Date: 4 May 2001 23:03:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9cvcgm$p4l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9cv5ct$njq7@biko.telecom.ups.com>, Bigfoot wrote: : In ftp when i get a file from the remote system to my local : system and if the file that I am getting from the remote directory : already exists in my local machine, is there a way to get the file in : a different name. : Is there an option or parameter to set, so that whenever the file : already exists in the local directory, ftp will prompt you to enter a : different name or automatically convert the filename to a different : name by setting some naming conventions. : The new Kermit FTP client: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html does this automatically, the same way it does for Kermit transfers. By default, if the incoming file has the same name as an existing file in the same directory, the existing file is renamed by adding .~1~ to its name, or if that name is in use too, .~2~, and so on. Lots of other filename collision options are available too, for example: RENAME Change the name of the incoming file, rather than the existing file. APPEND Append the incoming file to the existing file. DISCARD Refuse the incoming file and keep the existing file. OVERWRITE Overwrite the existing file (like regular FTP clients do). UPDATE Refuse the incoming file unless it is newer than the existing file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat May 5 12:37:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from menyapa.cc.columbia.edu (menyapa.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.38]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03297 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 12:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by menyapa.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25720 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 12:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05934 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 5 May 2001 12:36:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: IBM 3705 EP Questions Date: 5 May 2001 16:36:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9d1a7b$5pb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3af33bb3.6404352@news.mw.mediaone.net>, Jim Howell wrote: : I need to be able to connect PC's running NT to an old IBM system that : is using 3705 EP with TWX TTY and has CICS talking to BTAM, whew! : Since the IBM stuff is unsupported and will not be upgraded in the : foreseeable future I'm finding myself up the proverbial creek. Does : anyone know of any software that might get this done? The only hint : that I've been able to get from the web is that kermit scripts might : do it, but I'd certainly appreciate anyone's input at this point. (And then later...) : Unfortunately we can't replace anything. The 3705 sits at a : remote site that we want to connect to. Typically, for EDI I would : use ProComm to establish a dial-up and go from there. I did submit an : e-mail to the Kermit Project enquiring whether the Kermit 95 product : would support the TWX TTY emulation. If it does, then we would be : more than happy to learn about kermit scripting. : It's not a question of scripting. The short answer is: Kermit will probably work, but you'll have to try it to make sure. The long answer follows. We had a 3705 here twenty-some years ago, and had the recently mentioned Hazeltine 2000 terminals attached to its ASCII ports. The H2000 is a regular plain old ASCII terminal, so if it can be used, so can Kermit. Note that terminal emulation does not even enter into the equation. This type of connection is half-duplex, line-at-a-time, 7-bits-with-parity. There is nothing terminal-specific about it. Therefore you should be able to use any terminal emulator that supports half duplex, local echo, 7x1 (where x usually = M), and the appropriate speeds (usually 1200, 4800, or 9600 bps). The interesting part comes if you also want to transfer files over the connection. In this case, I would venture to say that Kermit is uniquely suited for this task, since operation through 3705 linemode connections was one of the original design constraints for Kermit protocol and software. Reliable file transfer (i.e. with error detection and correction) with the mainframe requires the CICS version of Kermit on the far end: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k370.html Unreliable (non-error-checked) transfers can also be done in case the mainframe does not have CICS Kermit (but I would not recommend unreliable file-transfer methods for EDI applications). A special group of settings is used on the PC's Kermit program, usually something like: set part mark set duplex half set handshake xon set prefixing all set window 1 These are explained the Kermit manuals and books. We used Kermit in this environment for many years, until the 3705s were phased out, but with a different OS on the mainframe (OS/MVT and then VM/CMS, rather than CICS). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 7 13:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from menyapa.cc.columbia.edu (menyapa.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.38]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16196 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by menyapa.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06213 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20896 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:16:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Pedro Braz" Subject: Re: Downlading from C-Kermit on AIX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:16:05 GMT Organization: KPNQwest customer news service To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi, Thanks for all the help but I had no uudecode on the AIX itself. I'll send them a e-mail copy and they'll get around to it. best regards Pedro "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:9cud7c$a57$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article , > Pedro Braz wrote: > : The problem is that I have nothing but a modem to connect to this AIX. I was > : looking for a way of sending files and receiving them from it. The Modem > : only allows me to login to the AIx nothing more. When I connect I get a > : Login prompt. So I cannot send a new version of kermit there. > : > Sure you can. See, for example: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html > > In particular, read the bootstrapping section: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html#boot > > This is not the place to come for lessons on how to use Hyperterminal > (which is not our product), but assuming it can send an ASCII file without > protocol (sometimes called "ASCII upload" or "Text upload"), you can > get the following file onto your PC and then send it to AIX: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/uue/gku100.ppc-aix-4.3.2.Z.uue > > Follow the instructions in the aforementioned section of the G-Kermit > web page, and then you have a Kermit program on AIX 4.3. But again: > > : > The Kermit implementation in Hyperterminal doesn't work very well; > : > good luck. > > If you want a Kermit program for Windows that works correctly and that goes > fast and that we can support, see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > > - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 7 14:07:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.159]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18372 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27883 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22822 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:00:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: hutchens@cs.millersville.edu (David H. Hutchens) Subject: Need help with Mac OS X 10.0.2 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:10:01 GMT Organization: CS Dept, Millersville University Message-ID: <9d6n4u$1eo$1@jake.esu.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I was using C-Kermit 7.0.197 compiled with curses for MacOSX on my Mac G3 using the Apple supplied internal modem while running Mac OS X public beta. I'm not sure of the *actual* type of the modem. Now that I have upgraded to Mac OS X 10.0.2, I am not able to log onto the remote computer. I get a connection and a login prompt, but nothing I type seems to reach the remote computer. The only change I made in the configuration was to change the modem from /dev/ttyd.modem to /dev/tty.modem since Apple changed the name of the device. I also tried /dev/cu.modem with the same result. Any ideas on what else I might try? Thanks, - David Hutchens Dept. of Computer Science Millersville University 717-872-3838 hutchens@cs.millersville.edu The precise configuration I am using is: set modem hayes-high-speed set modem speaker on set line /dev/tty.modem set flow none set prefixing all set baud 230400 set delay 0 set Dial timeout 55 set parity none set duplex full set file name literal set file display fullscreen set block-check 1 set buffers 33000 33000 set window-size 2 set send packet-length 9024 set receive packet-length 9024 set prompt dors:\v(directory) kermit> From news@columbia.edu Mon May 7 15:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (kachifo.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.172]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15494 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02825 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27150 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:31:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Need help with Mac OS X 10.0.2 Date: 7 May 2001 15:31:45 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9d6t71$lp0$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9d6n4u$1eo$1@jake.esu.edu>, David H. Hutchens wrote: : I was using C-Kermit 7.0.197 compiled with curses for MacOSX on my : Mac G3 using the Apple supplied internal modem while running Mac OS : X public beta. I'm not sure of the *actual* type of the modem. : And it was working OK? : Now that I have upgraded to Mac OS X 10.0.2, I am not able to log onto : the remote computer. I get a connection and a login prompt, but : nothing I type seems to reach the remote computer. : Did you try recompiling Kermit? : The only change I made in the configuration was to change the modem : from /dev/ttyd.modem to /dev/tty.modem since Apple changed the name : of the device. I also tried /dev/cu.modem with the same result. : : Any ideas on what else I might try? : The only access I have to Mac OS X is by Telnet to a machine far away. I have no access to the serial ports or modems, so I have no way of testing or debugging. If recompiling the source code doesn't help, then I can only speculate that (a) the serial-port APIs have changed out from underneath Kermit, or (b) you didn't go through all the steps necessary for configuring and enabling your serial-port/modem device. Unfortunately, I have no idea what those might be. : The precise configuration I am using is: : set modem hayes-high-speed : set modem speaker on : set line /dev/tty.modem : set flow none : Why none? Why not "rts/cts"? : set prefixing all : set baud 230400 : You might want to try a more conventional speed like 38400 or 57600 before concluding it doesn't work. Especially with "set flow none"! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 8 10:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.159]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24355 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 10:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16503 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 10:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10712 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:40:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Reverse Telnet (terminal Server) on Solaris Date: 8 May 2001 13:40:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9d8t05$aem$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9d7ns6$ien$2@news.panix.com>, Greg Andrews wrote: : stefaandk@{nospam}lucent.com writes: : > : >Does anyone know how to set this up. : >I need a reverse telnet (terminal server) on solaris. : >In other words I want to telnet into my solaris box and then use my : >serial ports for console access to a router. : : Sounds like you're connecting your router's RS232 console port : to your Solaris machine's RS232 port. : : So you would telnet or ssh to your Solaris machine, get logged in, : then use tip, kermit, or cu to send your keystrokes out through the : Solaris machine's serial port and see the replies from the router. : Tip and cu come with Solaris, kermit is an add-on program (though one : a lot of people use). : C-Kermit for Solaris is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html The advantage over tip and cu is that it lets you script repetitive or complicated interactions so you don't have to do everything by hand all the time. Some sites use Kermit scripts to configure their routers. This has the advantage that it can be done repeatedly, can be easily adapted to other routers, and serves as documentation of the router's configuration. For an introduction to Kermit scripts, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 8 11:07:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from menyapa.cc.columbia.edu (menyapa.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.38]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24903 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by menyapa.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01209 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14387 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: hutchens@cs.millersville.edu (David H. Hutchens) Subject: Re: Need help with Mac OS X 10.0.2 Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:51:28 GMT Organization: CS Dept, Millersville University Message-ID: <9d90vh$ot8$1@jake.esu.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Thanks for your response, Frank. Yes, it was working in Mac OS X public beta. I have not tried recompiling. I'll can give it a shot. I did try setting flow control rts/cts. ( I noticed that oddity after I sent the previous message). Maybe I had turned it off in public beta because: Tuning on RTS/CTS resulted in a message that says: Warning -SET FLOW RTS/CTS is in effect but modems CTS signal is off. Disabling flow control temporarily during dialing. But then.... I was able to log in on the remote machine. Oddly, I got a system beep along with the echo of the first 4 or 5 characters of my login name. Then things seemed to work OK. Is it OK to ignore the above warning? Does it still enable RTS/CTS after the connection? How can I tell? But when I tried to download a file, I got errors. I set the buffer size down until I got to 512 and that allowed files to download. Even a 1 MB binary file downloaded OK, with no reported errors. The download speed was over 2700 CPS. The modem on the other end is a 28K modem, so that seemed quite reasonable. My wife notes that our old 14400 zyxel modem connected to a NeXTStation has been having some phone line problems in the last two weeks so perhaps we have a more noisy phone line than when I tried with the public beta. I also noticed on the way to work this morning that our local cable company is pulling cable on the telephone poles. Perhaps they are causing flakey behaviour. Though why I'd be experiencing it at 10pm, I haven't a clue. I still haven't succeeded in doing uploads. But I'll continue to play with it. Finally, I notice that when I quit kermit, it says the modem may still be active and I tell it to quit anyway. But it apparently did not hang up. How can I force it to hang up the phone? - David Hutchens Dept. of Computer Science Millersville University 717-872-3838 hutchens@cs.millersville.edu In article <9d6t71$lp0$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <9d6n4u$1eo$1@jake.esu.edu>, > David H. Hutchens wrote: > : I was using C-Kermit 7.0.197 compiled with curses for MacOSX on my > : Mac G3 using the Apple supplied internal modem while running Mac OS > : X public beta. I'm not sure of the *actual* type of the modem. > : > And it was working OK? > > : Now that I have upgraded to Mac OS X 10.0.2, I am not able to log onto > : the remote computer. I get a connection and a login prompt, but > : nothing I type seems to reach the remote computer. > : > Did you try recompiling Kermit? > > : The only change I made in the configuration was to change the modem > : from /dev/ttyd.modem to /dev/tty.modem since Apple changed the name > : of the device. I also tried /dev/cu.modem with the same result. > : > : Any ideas on what else I might try? > : > The only access I have to Mac OS X is by Telnet to a machine far away. > I have no access to the serial ports or modems, so I have no way of > testing or debugging. > > If recompiling the source code doesn't help, then I can only speculate > that (a) the serial-port APIs have changed out from underneath Kermit, > or (b) you didn't go through all the steps necessary for configuring > and enabling your serial-port/modem device. Unfortunately, I have no > idea what those might be. > > : The precise configuration I am using is: > : set modem hayes-high-speed > : set modem speaker on > : set line /dev/tty.modem > : set flow none > : > Why none? Why not "rts/cts"? > > : set prefixing all > : set baud 230400 > : > You might want to try a more conventional speed like 38400 or 57600 > before concluding it doesn't work. Especially with "set flow none"! > > - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 8 11:37:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (kachifo.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.172]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19845 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00882 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15361 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:27:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Need help with Mac OS X 10.0.2 Date: 8 May 2001 11:27:33 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <9d9395$rt3@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <9d90vh$ot8$1@jake.esu.edu>, David H. Hutchens wrote: : Thanks for your response, Frank. : : Yes, it was working in Mac OS X public beta. : : I have not tried recompiling. I'll can give it a shot. : Yes, please do. : I did try setting flow control rts/cts. ( I noticed that oddity after : I sent the previous message). Maybe I had turned it off in public beta : because: : : Tuning on RTS/CTS resulted in a message that says: : Warning -SET FLOW RTS/CTS is in effect but modems CTS signal is off. : Disabling flow control temporarily during dialing. : Did RTS/CTS work in the public Beta? : But then.... I was able to log in on the remote machine. Oddly, I : got a system beep along with the echo of the first 4 or 5 characters : of my login name. Then things seemed to work OK. : : Is it OK to ignore the above warning? Does it still enable RTS/CTS : after the connection? How can I tell? : The message is worrisome. It probably means that the API for hardware flow control and/or modem-signal testing changed or broke. Of course I have no way of knowing that, nor of knowing what they changed to. : But when I tried to download a file, I got errors. : Because flow control was not working. : I set the buffer size down until I got to 512 and that allowed : files to download. Even a 1 MB binary file downloaded OK, with no : reported errors. The download speed was over 2700 CPS. The modem on : the other end is a 28K modem, so that seemed quite reasonable. : A good thing about Kermit protocol is that it can be made to work even when important parts of the connection are broken. But it would be preferable to make flow control work right. : My wife notes that our old 14400 zyxel modem connected to a : NeXTStation has been having some phone line problems in the last two : weeks so perhaps we have a more noisy phone line than when I tried : with the public beta. : No, the problem in your case is that Kermit can't sense the CTS line from the modem. Assuming that you had been using RTS/CTS before the OS upgrade, it indicates a software change, bug, or incompatibility. : Finally, I notice that when I quit kermit, it says the modem may : still be active and I tell it to quit anyway. : Another indication that the API for accessing modem signals is broken. : But it apparently did not hang up. How can I force it to hang : up the phone? : If you exit from Kermit or give it the HANGUP command, it hangs up by dropping DTR. But since the modem-signal API isn't working on Mac OS X, probably DTR isn't really being dropped. But Kermit always gives you another way to work around broken components: set modem hangup-method modem-command hangup This makes Kermit hang up by sending +++ and then ATH0. So how do we get the real problem fixed? First try recompiling and see if that clears things up. If not, it would be best if I could get telnet/ftp access to your Mac, or another one that has the same OS level so I can poke around the header files, man pages, etc, and see if I can get at the modem signals. (Of course even then I can't actually see/hear what's happening, but it's better than nothing.) Failing that, somebody who has Mac OS X 10.2 and a modem will have to make the code work (I can point out the relevant modules and functions). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 8 17:49:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.159]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26501 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13814 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01441 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:40:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: Re: Reverse Telnet (terminal Server) on Solaris From: ScriptBoy@nospam.nc.rr.com (ScriptBoy) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:24:30 GMT Organization: Road Runner - NC To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Also, don't forget your cabling. What I mean is, for example, when connecting an Ultra 1 or Sparc20 to a Cisco router, you need either a male-male connector + the Cisco TERMINAL connector or a NULL-MODEM + the Cisco MODEM connector. Hopefully I remembered these correctly. fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in <9d8t05$aem$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>: > In article <9d7ns6$ien$2@news.panix.com>, Greg Andrews > wrote: : stefaandk@{nospam}lucent.com writes: > : > > : >Does anyone know how to set this up. > : >I need a reverse telnet (terminal server) on solaris. > : >In other words I want to telnet into my solaris box and then use my > : >serial ports for console access to a router. > : > : Sounds like you're connecting your router's RS232 console port > : to your Solaris machine's RS232 port. > : > : So you would telnet or ssh to your Solaris machine, get logged in, > : then use tip, kermit, or cu to send your keystrokes out through the > : Solaris machine's serial port and see the replies from the router. > : Tip and cu come with Solaris, kermit is an add-on program (though one > : a lot of people use). > : > C-Kermit for Solaris is here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html > > The advantage over tip and cu is that it lets you script repetitive > or complicated interactions so you don't have to do everything by hand > all the time. Some sites use Kermit scripts to configure their > routers. This has the advantage that it can be done repeatedly, can be > easily adapted to other routers, and serves as documentation of the > router's configuration. For an introduction to Kermit scripts, see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 10 12:59:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12399 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.programmer Subject: Re: Need help with Mac OS X 10.0.2 Date: 8 May 2001 11:27:33 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 81 Message-ID: <9d9395$rt3@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9d6t71$lp0$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu> <9d90vh$ot8$1@jake.esu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989335657 15358 128.59.39.2 (8 May 2001 15:27:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2001 15:27:37 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12399 comp.unix.programmer:128388 In article <9d90vh$ot8$1@jake.esu.edu>, David H. Hutchens wrote: : Thanks for your response, Frank. : : Yes, it was working in Mac OS X public beta. : : I have not tried recompiling. I'll can give it a shot. : Yes, please do. : I did try setting flow control rts/cts. ( I noticed that oddity after : I sent the previous message). Maybe I had turned it off in public beta : because: : : Tuning on RTS/CTS resulted in a message that says: : Warning -SET FLOW RTS/CTS is in effect but modems CTS signal is off. : Disabling flow control temporarily during dialing. : Did RTS/CTS work in the public Beta? : But then.... I was able to log in on the remote machine. Oddly, I : got a system beep along with the echo of the first 4 or 5 characters : of my login name. Then things seemed to work OK. : : Is it OK to ignore the above warning? Does it still enable RTS/CTS : after the connection? How can I tell? : The message is worrisome. It probably means that the API for hardware flow control and/or modem-signal testing changed or broke. Of course I have no way of knowing that, nor of knowing what they changed to. : But when I tried to download a file, I got errors. : Because flow control was not working. : I set the buffer size down until I got to 512 and that allowed : files to download. Even a 1 MB binary file downloaded OK, with no : reported errors. The download speed was over 2700 CPS. The modem on : the other end is a 28K modem, so that seemed quite reasonable. : A good thing about Kermit protocol is that it can be made to work even when important parts of the connection are broken. But it would be preferable to make flow control work right. : My wife notes that our old 14400 zyxel modem connected to a : NeXTStation has been having some phone line problems in the last two : weeks so perhaps we have a more noisy phone line than when I tried : with the public beta. : No, the problem in your case is that Kermit can't sense the CTS line from the modem. Assuming that you had been using RTS/CTS before the OS upgrade, it indicates a software change, bug, or incompatibility. : Finally, I notice that when I quit kermit, it says the modem may : still be active and I tell it to quit anyway. : Another indication that the API for accessing modem signals is broken. : But it apparently did not hang up. How can I force it to hang : up the phone? : If you exit from Kermit or give it the HANGUP command, it hangs up by dropping DTR. But since the modem-signal API isn't working on Mac OS X, probably DTR isn't really being dropped. But Kermit always gives you another way to work around broken components: set modem hangup-method modem-command hangup This makes Kermit hang up by sending +++ and then ATH0. So how do we get the real problem fixed? First try recompiling and see if that clears things up. If not, it would be best if I could get telnet/ftp access to your Mac, or another one that has the same OS level so I can poke around the header files, man pages, etc, and see if I can get at the modem signals. (Of course even then I can't actually see/hear what's happening, but it's better than nothing.) Failing that, somebody who has Mac OS X 10.2 and a modem will have to make the code work (I can point out the relevant modules and functions). - Frank From hutchens@cs.millersville.edu Thu May 10 12:59:45 EDT 2001 Article: 12401 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!netnews.com!news.voicenet.com!jake.esu.edu!mills.millersville.edu!hutchens From: hutchens@cs.millersville.edu (David H. Hutchens) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help with Mac OS X 10.0.2 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:07:34 GMT Organization: CS Dept, Millersville University Lines: 104 Message-ID: <9dbmos$kke$1@jake.esu.edu> References: <9d9395$rt3@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: hutchens@cs.millersville.edu (David H. Hutchens) NNTP-Posting-Host: mills.millersville.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12401 I've done further investigation. The original "SET FLOW NONE" was in effect in the settings I was using on the public beta. So I assume that RTS/CTS was issuing the warning in the public beta too. I recompiled kermit and tried that version... No difference at all. I am able to do connections, uploading, and downloading as long as I set the buffer size to 512. So I have a "usable" system. I get the warning when I dial. And I get about 7 or 8 system beeps when I type the first character of my user name to the remote system login prompt. As to the bug. I can't let you connect to my system. The reason I'm using kermit is that I don't otherwise have an internet connection from home. However, I'm a decent programmer.... I have been programming in C since 1980. I have a Ph.D. in CS. I checked the kermit source and found that the file ckutio.c seems to be key. It includes sys/ioctl.h which includes sys/ttycom.h which contains the definitions of the CTS stuff, in particular: TIOCM_CTS. I verified that my build (macosx10c) does, in fact, include the ioctl.h file by typing garbage next to the include line and seeing that the compiler choked. All this seems normal. I can send you the .h files if you wish. They seem to be standard BSD4.4. I can also send the man pages. Again they are basically BSD4.4. The main line of interest is: ttycom.h:#define TIOCM_CTS 0040 /* clear to send */ My best guess is that the current device driver does not respond, as kermit expects, with CTS asserted before dialing. I don't know what it might do after dialing, but it appears from kermit's response that kermit isn't using it (otherwise bigger buffers ought to work). I got the Apple Internal Modem AT command documentation from Apple's web site. I checked using modem AT commands that the modem is set to use RTS/CTS and that it is actually making the connection at about 28800 (next one down actually 26400?, the time I checked) with error correction and compression enabled. That is what I'd expect since the modem I was calling is a 28K V.34 modem. So some possibilities: 1) The device driver and/or modem waits for a connection before passing CTS through and I need to get kermit to ignore the setting when dialing and use it later. I'm not sure where exactly to try to make that change. Or for that matter, if kermit is already trying that as the warning suggests. 2) The device driver and/or modem never asserts CTS so there is a bug without any easy workaround and I'll just have to file a bug report with Apple and wait. Not the worst of problems since I have a limping version that I can use. Your advice? - David Hutchens Dept. of Computer Science Millersville University 717-872-3838 hutchens@cs.millersville.edu In article <9d9395$rt3@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <9d90vh$ot8$1@jake.esu.edu>, > David H. Hutchens wrote: > : > : I have not tried recompiling. I'll can give it a shot. > : > Yes, please do. > > : > : Tuning on RTS/CTS resulted in a message that says: > : Warning -SET FLOW RTS/CTS is in effect but modems CTS signal is off. > : Disabling flow control temporarily during dialing. > : > Did RTS/CTS work in the public Beta? > : > : Is it OK to ignore the above warning? Does it still enable RTS/CTS > : after the connection? How can I tell? > : > The message is worrisome. It probably means that the API for hardware > flow control and/or modem-signal testing changed or broke. Of course I > have no way of knowing that, nor of knowing what they changed to. > > > So how do we get the real problem fixed? First try recompiling and see > if that clears things up. If not, it would be best if I could get > telnet/ftp access to your Mac, or another one that has the same OS > level so I can poke around the header files, man pages, etc, and see > if I can get at the modem signals. (Of course even then I can't actually > see/hear what's happening, but it's better than nothing.) Failing that, > somebody who has Mac OS X 10.2 and a modem will have to make the code > work (I can point out the relevant modules and functions). > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 10 12:59:52 EDT 2001 Article: 12402 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.programmer Subject: Re: Need help with Mac OS X 10.0.2 Date: 9 May 2001 15:35:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 112 Message-ID: <9dbo3h$2ve$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9d9395$rt3@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <9dbmos$kke$1@jake.esu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989422513 3054 128.59.39.2 (9 May 2001 15:35:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2001 15:35:13 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12402 comp.unix.programmer:128452 In article <9dbmos$kke$1@jake.esu.edu>, David H. Hutchens wrote: : I've done further investigation. : Sorry to include your entire posting in this reply, but I'm adding comp.unix.programmer and this way they'll see it too. If I knew of a Mac OS X newsgroup, I'd include that too. (If anybody knows of such a group, please repost this thread there and/or let me know.) : The original "SET FLOW NONE" was in effect in the settings I was using : on the public beta. So I assume that RTS/CTS was issuing the warning : in the public beta too. : : I recompiled kermit and tried that version... No difference at all. : : I am able to do connections, uploading, and downloading as long as I : set the buffer size to 512. So I have a "usable" system. : : I get the warning when I dial. And I get about 7 or 8 system beeps : when I type the first character of my user name to the remote system : login prompt. : : As to the bug. I can't let you connect to my system. The reason I'm : using kermit is that I don't otherwise have an internet connection : from home. : : However, I'm a decent programmer.... I have been programming in C : since 1980. I have a Ph.D. in CS. I checked the kermit source and : found that the file ckutio.c seems to be key. It includes sys/ioctl.h : which includes sys/ttycom.h which contains the definitions of the CTS : stuff, in particular: TIOCM_CTS. I verified that my build (macosx10c) : does, in fact, include the ioctl.h file by typing garbage next to the : include line and seeing that the compiler choked. All this seems : normal. I can send you the .h files if you wish. They seem to be : standard BSD4.4. I can also send the man pages. Again they are : basically BSD4.4. The main line of interest is: : : ttycom.h:#define TIOCM_CTS 0040 /* clear to send */ : : My best guess is that the current device driver does not respond, as : kermit expects, with CTS asserted before dialing. I don't know what : it might do after dialing, but it appears from kermit's response that : kermit isn't using it (otherwise bigger buffers ought to work). : : I got the Apple Internal Modem AT command documentation from Apple's : web site. I checked using modem AT commands that the modem is set to : use RTS/CTS and that it is actually making the connection at about : 28800 (next one down actually 26400?, the time I checked) with error : correction and compression enabled. That is what I'd expect since the : modem I was calling is a 28K V.34 modem. : : So some possibilities: : : 1) The device driver and/or modem waits for a connection before : passing CTS through and I need to get kermit to ignore the setting : when dialing and use it later. I'm not sure where exactly to try to : make that change. Or for that matter, if kermit is already trying that : as the warning suggests. : : 2) The device driver and/or modem never asserts CTS so there is a bug : without any easy workaround and I'll just have to file a bug report : with Apple and wait. Not the worst of problems since I have a limping : version that I can use. : : Your advice? : The only way to solve this is to have somebody who knows something about Mac OS X internals sit down and "try this, try that" with the source code: . Are we using the right API for modem control and hardware flow control? Note that many UNIX-based OS's maintain scads of APIs for "compatibility", but some of them might be nonfunctional. . Study the twisted tangle of #ifdefs in ckutio.c carefully, particularly around any routine that uses modem signals: tthflow() and tthang(). Notice all the horrible tricks that have to be used on this and that platform to make this stuff work. Try adjusting the macosx10 makefile entry's CFLAGS to select different tricks. Having an internal modem doesn't help matters either, since there's no way to monitor the modem signals independently of the software -- modem lights, breakout box, etc. >From my experience with other UNIX OS's, the only other suggestion that comes to mind is that maybe there are different drivers for the modem (and therefore different names for the same device) -- one that has modem control, one that doesn't, and maybe a special one that does hardware flow control. If so, maybe if you try another driver everything will just work (I might have suggested this before). The 4.4BSD path through the code words fine for FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and BSDI, with a few minor wrinkles, such the following which I discovered just a few days ago (from the C-Kermit edit history): While helping a user I discovered that C-Kermit on NetBSD always fails to hangup by dropping DTR; the tcsetattr() call always fails with EINVAL. It doesn't like an argument of B0. The same code works fine in FreeBSD. Found out that the NetBSD tty device driver code is broken (for some reason the B0 hangup code is commented out). The workaround is to use ioctl() with TIOCCDTR and TIOCSDTR -- Yet Another Hanging Up API. Added code for this to tthang(), tested in NetBSD (which uses it) and FreeBSD (which doesn't). On BSD44 and POSIX systems, the use of this code can be forced by defining USE_TIOCSDTR. ckutio.c, 28 Apr 2001. This is the kind of thing that keeps us busy, making Kermit do simple things like hanging up modems on all different OS's and OS releases. If you find anything, please report back quickly, since C-Kermit 7.1 needs to be released soon. - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 10 12:59:57 EDT 2001 Article: 12403 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.programmer Subject: Re: Need help with Mac OS X 10.0.2 Date: 9 May 2001 18:02:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9dc0ns$bbb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9d9395$rt3@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <9dbmos$kke$1@jake.esu.edu> <9dbo3h$2ve$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989431356 11627 128.59.39.2 (9 May 2001 18:02:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2001 18:02:36 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12403 comp.unix.programmer:128465 In article <9dbo3h$2ve$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <9dbmos$kke$1@jake.esu.edu>, : David H. Hutchens wrote: : : I've done further investigation. : : ... : : : The only way to solve this is to have somebody who knows something about : Mac OS X internals sit down and "try this, try that" with the source code: : : . Are we using the right API for modem control and hardware flow control? : Note that many UNIX-based OS's maintain scads of APIs for "compatibility", : but some of them might be nonfunctional. : I forgot to mention... I don't have much to do with Macintoshes any more, at least not in person, but I wonder if the pseudo-serial-port to which your internal modem is connected is an RS-232 device? Macintoshes used to use RS-422, which is completely different. It does not have modem signals at all, which would certainly explain a thing or two in this case. Maybe Mac OS X has an entirely different and unique API for accessing the *modem* (as opposed to the "serial port", which isn't really there). This sort of thing is not unkown; for example, it is done in Windows. It used to be done even in UNIX System V R3, for the AT&T UNIX PC. - Frank From pedro*braz@altitudesoftware.com Thu May 10 13:00:05 EDT 2001 Article: 12393 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Pedro Braz" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9cs2n1$t3n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9cud7c$a57$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Downlading from C-Kermit on AIX Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:16:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.126.92.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@KPNQwest.pt X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 989255765 193.126.92.229 (Mon, 07 May 2001 19:16:05 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:16:05 MET DST Organization: KPNQwest customer news service Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12393 Hi, Thanks for all the help but I had no uudecode on the AIX itself. I'll send them a e-mail copy and they'll get around to it. best regards Pedro "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:9cud7c$a57$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article , > Pedro Braz wrote: > : The problem is that I have nothing but a modem to connect to this AIX. I was > : looking for a way of sending files and receiving them from it. The Modem > : only allows me to login to the AIx nothing more. When I connect I get a > : Login prompt. So I cannot send a new version of kermit there. > : > Sure you can. See, for example: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html > > In particular, read the bootstrapping section: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html#boot > > This is not the place to come for lessons on how to use Hyperterminal > (which is not our product), but assuming it can send an ASCII file without > protocol (sometimes called "ASCII upload" or "Text upload"), you can > get the following file onto your PC and then send it to AIX: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/uue/gku100.ppc-aix-4.3.2.Z.uue > > Follow the instructions in the aforementioned section of the G-Kermit > web page, and then you have a Kermit program on AIX 4.3. But again: > > : > The Kermit implementation in Hyperterminal doesn't work very well; > : > good luck. > > If you want a Kermit program for Windows that works correctly and that goes > fast and that we can support, see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 10 13:00:12 EDT 2001 Article: 12397 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reverse Telnet (terminal Server) on Solaris Date: 8 May 2001 13:40:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <9d8t05$aem$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3af7495b.138443220@nntp.lucent.com> <9d7ns6$ien$2@news.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989329221 10710 128.59.39.2 (8 May 2001 13:40:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2001 13:40:21 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.solaris:325317 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12397 In article <9d7ns6$ien$2@news.panix.com>, Greg Andrews wrote: : stefaandk@{nospam}lucent.com writes: : > : >Does anyone know how to set this up. : >I need a reverse telnet (terminal server) on solaris. : >In other words I want to telnet into my solaris box and then use my : >serial ports for console access to a router. : : Sounds like you're connecting your router's RS232 console port : to your Solaris machine's RS232 port. : : So you would telnet or ssh to your Solaris machine, get logged in, : then use tip, kermit, or cu to send your keystrokes out through the : Solaris machine's serial port and see the replies from the router. : Tip and cu come with Solaris, kermit is an add-on program (though one : a lot of people use). : C-Kermit for Solaris is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html The advantage over tip and cu is that it lets you script repetitive or complicated interactions so you don't have to do everything by hand all the time. Some sites use Kermit scripts to configure their routers. This has the advantage that it can be done repeatedly, can be easily adapted to other routers, and serves as documentation of the router's configuration. For an introduction to Kermit scripts, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html - Frank From ScriptBoy@nospam.nc.rr.com Thu May 10 13:00:19 EDT 2001 Article: 12400 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reverse Telnet (terminal Server) on Solaris From: ScriptBoy@nospam.nc.rr.com (ScriptBoy) References: <3af7495b.138443220@nntp.lucent.com> <9d7ns6$ien$2@news.panix.com> <9d8t05$aem$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 43 Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:24:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.26.17.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 989357070 66.26.17.164 (Tue, 08 May 2001 17:24:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 17:24:30 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.solaris:325383 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12400 Also, don't forget your cabling. What I mean is, for example, when connecting an Ultra 1 or Sparc20 to a Cisco router, you need either a male-male connector + the Cisco TERMINAL connector or a NULL-MODEM + the Cisco MODEM connector. Hopefully I remembered these correctly. fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in <9d8t05$aem$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>: > In article <9d7ns6$ien$2@news.panix.com>, Greg Andrews > wrote: : stefaandk@{nospam}lucent.com writes: > : > > : >Does anyone know how to set this up. > : >I need a reverse telnet (terminal server) on solaris. > : >In other words I want to telnet into my solaris box and then use my > : >serial ports for console access to a router. > : > : Sounds like you're connecting your router's RS232 console port > : to your Solaris machine's RS232 port. > : > : So you would telnet or ssh to your Solaris machine, get logged in, > : then use tip, kermit, or cu to send your keystrokes out through the > : Solaris machine's serial port and see the replies from the router. > : Tip and cu come with Solaris, kermit is an add-on program (though one > : a lot of people use). > : > C-Kermit for Solaris is here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html > > The advantage over tip and cu is that it lets you script repetitive > or complicated interactions so you don't have to do everything by hand > all the time. Some sites use Kermit scripts to configure their > routers. This has the advantage that it can be done repeatedly, can be > easily adapted to other routers, and serves as documentation of the > router's configuration. For an introduction to Kermit scripts, see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html > > - Frank From dold@email.rahul.net Thu May 10 13:00:27 EDT 2001 Article: 12404 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!feeder.via.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@email.rahul.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 9 May 2001 23:43:29 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@email.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12404 I was trying to use the synchron.ksc to synchronize directory trees between two Solaris7 boxes. take synchron.ksc /Source /Dest 172.16.x.y myname mypasswd Connecting to 172.16.x.y:telnet... /Dest ?Too many files match - * ?No files match - "*" FATAL: SEND failed (Connection closed) There are 30 files/directories at the top level, but there are 19135 overall. Is there something newer that I should use? I grabbed the synchron.ksc from my K95 CD: July 27, 1999; 7842 bytes. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From dold@02.usenet.us.com Thu May 10 13:00:39 EDT 2001 Article: 12405 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@02.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 9 May 2001 23:49:54 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9dcl32$kik$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12405 : I was trying to use the synchron.ksc to synchronize directory trees between : two Solaris7 boxes. I forgot... I would like to be able to run from the destination machine, rather than the source machine. Running from the source machine requires that I have a root login to write files to the destination machine. If I were root on the destination machine, I could "synchron.ksc" to the source machine as a normal user. But, if it won't handle the high file count, I'll be crafting a different solution anyway. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 10 13:00:42 EDT 2001 Article: 12406 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 10 May 2001 00:00:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9dclmf$qa5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dcl32$kik$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989452815 26949 128.59.39.2 (10 May 2001 00:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2001 00:00:15 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12406 In article <9dcl32$kik$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : I was trying to use the synchron.ksc to synchronize directory trees between : : two Solaris7 boxes. : : I forgot... I would like to be able to run from the destination machine, : rather than the source machine. Running from the source machine requires : that I have a root login to write files to the destination machine. : If I were root on the destination machine, I could "synchron.ksc" to the : source machine as a normal user. : : But, if it won't handle the high file count, I'll be crafting a different : solution anyway. What is the value of MAXWLD in your build of C-Kermit? And what version of C-Kermit? If this is a build of C-Kermit 7.0 or 7.1 the value would be 102400. I would hope that you aren't attempting a transfer that requires more than that number of files. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From dold@02.usenet.us.com Thu May 10 13:00:48 EDT 2001 Article: 12407 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@02.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 10 May 2001 02:09:09 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 45 Message-ID: <9dct85$m3u$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dcl32$kik$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dclmf$qa5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12407 Jeffrey Altman wrote: : What is the value of MAXWLD in your build of C-Kermit? MAXWLD=102400 Compiled Dec 31 1999 13:51:29, options: __STDC__ _POSIX_JOB_CONTROL _POSIX_SOURCE _SC_JOB_CONTROL ARRAYREFLEN=1024 BIGBUFOK BROWSER BSD44ORPOSIX CK_ANSIC CK_ANSILIBS CK_APC CK_AUTODL CK_CURSES CK_DNS_SRV CK_DTRCD CK_ENVIRONMENT CK_FAST CK_LOGIN CK_MKDIR CK_NAWS CK_NEWTERM CK_PCT_BAR CK_PERMS CK_RECALL CK_RTSCTS CK_SPEED CK_TIMERS CK_TMPDIR CK_TTGWSIZ CK_TTYFD CK_WREFRESH CKEXEC CKFLOAT=double CKGHNLHOST ckmaxfiles=64 CKMAXOPEN=20 CKMAXPATH=1023 CKREALPATH CKREGEX CKSYSLOG CKTUNING CMDBL=32763 CMDDEP=64 CONGSPD DCMDBUF DIRENT DYNAMIC FNFLOAT FOPEN_MAX=20 FORDEPTH=32 GFTIMER HADDRLIST HDBUUCP HWPARITY IFDEBUG IKS_OPTION IKSDB IKSDCONF INBUFSIZE=32768 INPBUFSIZ=4096 MAC_MAX=16384 MACLEVEL=128 MAXDDIR=32 MAXDNUMS=4095 MAXGETPATH=128 MAXTAKE=54 MAXWLD=102400 MSENDMAX=1024 NETCMD NETCONN NETPTY NOFILEH NOKVERBS NOSETBUF OBUFSIZE=32768 PARSENSE PATTERNS PIPESEND POSIX RENAME RLOGCODE SELECT SIG_V SOL_SOCKET SOLARIS sparc STERMIOX STREAMING SVR4 TCPSOCKET TIMEH TLOG TNCODE TTLEBUF TTSPDLIST UIDBUFLEN=256 UNIX UNPREFIXZERO USE_LSTAT USE_MEMCPY VNAML=4096 WHATAMI XFRCAN z_maxchan=2 Z_MAXCHAN=2 ZXREWIND : And what version of C-Kermit? If this is a build of C-Kermit 7.0 : or 7.1 the value would be 102400. I would hope that you aren't attempting : a transfer that requires more than that number of files. C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for Solaris 7 I pulled the binary cku196.solaris7-sparc from columbia.edu. In the particular test case that I tried, there are 30 files/directories at the top level, but there are 19135 overall. There would only have been about 20 files transferred on this particular operation if it was successful. The longest path is 190 characters. The deepest nested directory is 23 levels. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 10 13:00:53 EDT 2001 Article: 12408 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 10 May 2001 03:03:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9dd0eo$4dg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dcl32$kik$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dclmf$qa5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9dct85$m3u$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989463832 4528 128.59.39.2 (10 May 2001 03:03:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2001 03:03:52 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12408 In article <9dct85$m3u$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Jeffrey Altman wrote: : : : What is the value of MAXWLD in your build of C-Kermit? : : MAXWLD=102400 Can you send use a debug.log to kermit-support@columbia.edu ? I don't see why you should be having a problem with the values you describe below. : In the particular test case that I tried, there are 30 files/directories : at the top level, but there are 19135 overall. : : There would only have been about 20 files transferred on this particular : operation if it was successful. The longest path is 190 characters. : The deepest nested directory is 23 levels. Even though only 20 files might meet the transfer requirements, a recursive transfer requires that the entire tree be expanded. Are there perhaps loops in the tree? If so, that could be a source of the problem. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From grante@visi.com Thu May 10 14:28:25 EDT 2001 Article: 12411 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes2.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ruti.visi.com!grante From: grante@visi.com (Grant Edwards) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to set Linefeed display as CR/LF? References: <9dej5o$9bs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Lines: 49 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:01:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.42.141.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com X-Trace: ruti.visi.com 989517716 208.42.141.248 (Thu, 10 May 2001 13:01:56 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:01:56 CDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12411 In article <9dej5o$9bs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >: I found the option that can be used to display a CR as CR/LF >: for systems that terminate lines with CR, but what about >: systems that terminate lines with LF? How do I get LF displayed >: as CR/LF? > >Are you describing a real situation or is this an academic >question? It's a "real" situation in that I'm using Kermit as part of a setup to observe a stream of test-data I'm sending through a prototype of a new product. >If it's a real question, what host is sending bare linefeeds to >a terminal? It's a TCP<-->serial gateway, sort of like a dumb terminal server. >And which Kermit program are you using, C-Kermit 7.0.197, 8 Feb 2000, for Linux Numeric: 700197 >to emulate which kind of terminal, ckermit is running in an xterm or an rxvt terminal window under X11. >on what kind of connection? 9600 baud serial connection via Comtrol RocketPort 32-port serial board under Linux. I'm using netcat to shove Unix textfiles into the terminal server which acts as a transparent conduit between a serial port and a TCP port. I connect the terminal-server's serial port to a serial port on a Unix machine and use Kermit to display the data stream. It would be convenient to have the linefeeds in the text files displayed as CR/LF, but it's just a convenience. I can add CR's to the files for the tests I'm running. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! ... or were you at driving the PONTIAC that visi.com HONKED at me in MIAMI last Tuesday? From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 10 14:28:28 EDT 2001 Article: 12412 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to set Linefeed display as CR/LF? Date: 10 May 2001 18:28:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-ID: <9demk2$bnu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9dej5o$9bs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989519298 12030 128.59.39.2 (10 May 2001 18:28:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2001 18:28:18 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12412 In article , Grant Edwards wrote: : In article <9dej5o$9bs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : >: I found the option that can be used to display a CR as CR/LF : >: for systems that terminate lines with CR, but what about : >: systems that terminate lines with LF? How do I get LF displayed : >: as CR/LF? : > : >Are you describing a real situation or is this an academic : >question? : : It's a "real" situation in that I'm using Kermit as part of a : setup to observe a stream of test-data I'm sending through a : prototype of a new product. : : >If it's a real question, what host is sending bare linefeeds to : >a terminal? : : It's a TCP<-->serial gateway, sort of like a dumb terminal server. : : >And which Kermit program are you using, : : C-Kermit 7.0.197, 8 Feb 2000, for Linux : : >to emulate which kind of terminal, : : ckermit is running in an xterm or an rxvt terminal window under X11. : : >on what kind of connection? : : 9600 baud serial connection via Comtrol RocketPort 32-port : serial board under Linux. : : I'm using netcat to shove Unix textfiles into the terminal : server which acts as a transparent conduit between a serial : port and a TCP port. : But in real life, the UNIX terminal driver supplies the CR, so this isn't really an accurate simulation. Maybe you could pipe netcat through something that converts LF to CRLF, if netcat is pipeable. You could even pipe it thru tr '\012' '015' and then use TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY CRLF (assuming your files don't already contain bare CRs). : I connect the terminal-server's serial : port to a serial port on a Unix machine and use Kermit to : display the data stream. It would be convenient to have the : linefeeds in the text files displayed as CR/LF, but it's just a : convenience. I can add CR's to the files for the tests I'm : running. : Nobody has ever asked for this before, so C-Kermit doesn't have it. Maybe I can add it to the next release after C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 is announced, hopefully within a few days, but I'm not going to mess with Beta.01 since as of today it's frozen. - Frank From grante@visi.com Fri May 11 09:40:11 EDT 2001 Article: 12413 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes2.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ruti.visi.com!grante From: grante@visi.com (Grant Edwards) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to set Linefeed display as CR/LF? References: <9dej5o$9bs$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9demk2$bnu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Lines: 30 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:54:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.42.141.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com X-Trace: ruti.visi.com 989531665 208.42.141.248 (Thu, 10 May 2001 16:54:25 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:54:25 CDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12413 In article <9demk2$bnu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >But in real life, the UNIX terminal driver supplies the CR, so this >isn't really an accurate simulation. Maybe you could pipe netcat >through something that converts LF to CRLF, if netcat is pipeable. >You could even pipe it thru tr '\012' '015' and then use TERMINAL >CR-DISPLAY CRLF (assuming your files don't already contain bare CRs). That should work. >: I connect the terminal-server's serial >: port to a serial port on a Unix machine and use Kermit to >: display the data stream. It would be convenient to have the >: linefeeds in the text files displayed as CR/LF, but it's just a >: convenience. I can add CR's to the files for the tests I'm >: running. >: >Nobody has ever asked for this before, so C-Kermit doesn't have it. >Maybe I can add it to the next release after C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 >is announced, hopefully within a few days, but I'm not going to mess >with Beta.01 since as of today it's frozen. No, I don't think it's worth adding it. It's a pretty odd case, and if nobody has asked for it by now, I doubt anybody else would ever find it useful. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Was my SOY LOAF left at out in th'RAIN? It tastes visi.com REAL GOOD!! From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Fri May 11 09:40:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12414 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <3AFB279C.DE91DDC6@adelaide.edu.au> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:13:24 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: The University of Adelaide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 enter password once, start multiple sessions to same host Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au X-Trace: 11 May 2001 09:13:25 +0950, arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au Lines: 34 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.98.98.65!hermes2.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!yorrell.saard.net!hakea.services.adelaide.edu.au!arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12414 Hi, at home I use K95 1.21beta under Windows 98SE as my telnet client of choice. At work, we use Windows NT 4.0 SP5. How does K95 running under Windows NT 4.0 compare with running under Win9X? Any annoyances like not being able to get the terminal window to the desired size, problems with cutting and pasting? Is there a means of prompting once for a password in order to start multiple telnet sessions to the same host? I would like to be able to *not* save a password, yet only type the password once for multiple sessions. Regards, Arthur. -- Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 http://online.adelaide.edu.au/doclib.nsf/Refs/Official_Email_Disclaimer ----------------------------------------------------------- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential and/or copyright. 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From dold@02.usenet.us.com Fri May 11 09:40:33 EDT 2001 Article: 12415 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!feeder.via.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@02.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 11 May 2001 00:36:24 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 39 Message-ID: <9dfc68$7k7$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dcl32$kik$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dclmf$qa5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9dct85$m3u$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dd0eo$4dg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12415 : In article <9dct85$m3u$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : In the particular test case that I tried, there are 30 files/directories : : at the top level, but there are 19135 overall. Jeffrey Altman wrote: : Can you send use a debug.log to kermit-support@columbia.edu ? : I don't see why you should be having a problem with the values you : describe below. log debug... Wonderful thing. addresult OUT OF SPACE[foundation ... #ifdef BIGBUFOK #define SSPACE 500000 "ckufio.c" line 810 of 7759 --10%-- I shortened the name of one directory, reducing the total path name of all of the files below it. This moved the failure to file 4107 from 3946, but still ~500000 total file named characters. Catching just the successful file names logged: 3946 3946 499887 file.ADD 4107 4107 500000 file_V.ADD I changed the 500k to 5m, and the recursive copy succeeds. I might have put a realloc instead of a failure, but there are dire warnings about changing the code in the source ;-0 I suppose I could do the top level recursion separately, and call the script for the subdirectories. If I do that, though, I still want to reverse the "source" and "destination", so I can "pull" files as super user. We don't allow root user logins from the net. Would IKSD have this same SSPACE usage? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 11 09:40:36 EDT 2001 Article: 12416 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 11 May 2001 00:44:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9dfclp$s6l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dct85$m3u$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dd0eo$4dg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9dfc68$7k7$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989541881 28885 128.59.39.2 (11 May 2001 00:44:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2001 00:44:41 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12416 In article <9dfc68$7k7$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Would IKSD have this same SSPACE usage? : Yes. Its the same code. Increasing the value of SSPACE appears to be the correct setting. I think we can handle changing the code to support a realloc() in a future release. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From dold@02.usenet.us.com Fri May 11 09:40:38 EDT 2001 Article: 12417 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@02.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 11 May 2001 04:52:20 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9dfr64$agp$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dct85$m3u$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dd0eo$4dg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9dfc68$7k7$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dfclp$s6l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12417 Jeffrey Altman wrote: : Yes. Its the same code. Increasing the value of SSPACE appears : to be the correct setting. I think we can handle changing the code : to support a realloc() in a future release. I added a loop at the first directory level. I don't want to increase the static buffer beyond 500K ;-) I did add a realloc, with an initial malloc of 10k, wrapped like the fgen(?) a little above. That gathered all of the names, but gave me a core dump during the transmission phase. I could see from the debug that I had called my realloc successfully at least once. I should have verified that it was called several times. The 5m static did a complete transfer, but that's so ungraceful. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 11 09:40:41 EDT 2001 Article: 12418 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Too many files for 'synchron.ksc' Date: 11 May 2001 11:17:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9dghoh$bng$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9dckn1$kgi$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dfc68$7k7$1@samba.rahul.net> <9dfclp$s6l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9dfr64$agp$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989579857 12016 128.59.39.2 (11 May 2001 11:17:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2001 11:17:37 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12418 In article <9dfr64$agp$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Jeffrey Altman wrote: : : Yes. Its the same code. Increasing the value of SSPACE appears : : to be the correct setting. I think we can handle changing the code : : to support a realloc() in a future release. : : I added a loop at the first directory level. I don't want to increase the : static buffer beyond 500K ;-) : : I did add a realloc, with an initial malloc of 10k, wrapped like the : fgen(?) a little above. That gathered all of the names, but gave me a core : dump during the transmission phase. I could see from the debug that I had : called my realloc successfully at least once. I should have verified that : it was called several times. : The 5m static did a complete transfer, but that's so ungraceful. The reason for the core dump is because realloc() can return a block of memory that is different than the original source block. If this happens then all of the work pointers which point within the original block need to be moved to refer to the new block. Otherwise, you will get an exception. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From dold@81.usenet.us.com Fri May 11 11:57:27 EDT 2001 Article: 12420 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!feeder.via.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!typhoon.sonic.net!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@81.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: terminal emulator to connect to a cisco router? Date: 11 May 2001 15:34:59 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 33 Message-ID: <9dh0r3$hhe$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <3afb0b30$0$229$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <3AFB3ADA.54423E46@csse.monash.edu.au> <9dgqmb$ifv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:332131 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12420 In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Frank da Cruz wrote: : Dean Thompson wrote: : : > I have my laptop running RH 7.1, and I need a terminal emulator to connect : : > and copnfigure a cisco router. can anyone suggest one? thanks. : The advantage of Kermit is that you can script all the interactions with the : router; minicom is strictly manual and interactive. Lots of sites use Kermit : to monitor and configure routers and terminal servers. See: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html C-Kermit website : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html Script examples We use Kermit to configure and update Cisco, Brocade, Lantronix, Crossroads, and some telephony switches. In all cases, it does correct logins, uploads config files or handles interactive chats. It plays well with perl scripting as an external tool to build config files that it properly sends to the device with prompt and response checking. And... The same scripting runs on kermit under Solaris, Linux and WinNT. The provided telnet.ksc is a good place to start customizing. ckermit.ini shows the "open read" for reading a separate text file of commands. If you can understand all of the sample scripts, you'll know more than I've needed, using kermit since 1984 to automate tedious keystroke tasks. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From lichtin@bivio.net Fri May 11 17:02:25 EDT 2001 Article: 12421 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AFC4DC3.A85668E7@bivio.net> From: Martin Lichtin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit can send, but does not display incoming characters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:38:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.1.239.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 989613511 66.1.239.20 (Fri, 11 May 2001 13:38:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:38:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:36:53 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12421 I have two PCs connected with a null-modem cable. On one PC, there's a getty process running, kermit on the other PC. When I attach to the getty process (strace on Linux), I can see how the proper characters are received from kermit and also how it echoes the characters back over the line. So the cable seems to be setup properly, the baud rate, etc match. However, kermit does not display the characters coming in from the getty side! Any ideas what the problem could be? The only setting I have on the kermit side is "set carrier-watch off". This is C-Kermit-7.0.197-7 under RH7.1. Thanks for a hint, Martin From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 11 17:02:28 EDT 2001 Article: 12422 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit can send, but does not display incoming characters Date: 11 May 2001 21:02:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9dhk0r$80e$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3AFC4DC3.A85668E7@bivio.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989614939 8206 128.59.39.2 (11 May 2001 21:02:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2001 21:02:19 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12422 In article <3AFC4DC3.A85668E7@bivio.net>, Martin Lichtin wrote: : I have two PCs connected with a null-modem cable. : : On one PC, there's a getty process running, kermit on the other PC. : When I attach to the getty process (strace on Linux), I can : see how the proper characters are received from kermit and : also how it echoes the characters back over the line. So the cable : seems to be setup properly, the baud rate, etc match. : : However, kermit does not display the characters coming in from the : getty side! Any ideas what the problem could be? The only setting I : have on the kermit side is "set carrier-watch off". : : This is C-Kermit-7.0.197-7 under RH7.1. : The fact that strace shows characters being echoed does not necessarily prove they are going out the port. A few suggestions: . How do you know the getty PC's transmit speed is the same as the Kermit PC's receive speed? Use Kermit's SET SPEED command to select the right speed. If you don't know, try different ones. If that doesn't help: . Make sure the cable is OK. Maybe the wire that goes from the getty PC's TxD to the Kermit PC's RxD is broken (or miswired). If the cable is OK and the speed isn't the problem: . Tell Kermit to "show comm". If it does not say that DSR and CTS are both ON, maybe your Linux device driver is refusing to read characters from the port. . Finally, ability to send characters but not receive them on a PC is a classic symptom of an interrupt conflict. - Frank From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Mon May 14 10:39:02 EDT 2001 Article: 12426 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Server answer and return to interactive mode Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:22:06 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3affebd8$0$43054$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 989850585 reader1.news.skynet.be 43054 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12426 Hi, I want to write a server script that answer phone call automatically. At the end of my ksc file, i have ANSWER and SERVER. When i send a file to the server, he answers, receive the file and ... return to interactive mode. How can i say that the server has to wait for other incoming call when he finishes one? OS: WINDOWS2000 MODEM: USROBOTICS Thanks in advance Nathan Rousseau From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 14 10:39:05 EDT 2001 Article: 12427 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server answer and return to interactive mode Date: 14 May 2001 14:38:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9doqkf$pod$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3affebd8$0$43054$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989851087 26381 128.59.39.2 (14 May 2001 14:38:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2001 14:38:07 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12427 In article <3affebd8$0$43054$456d72a3@news.skynet.be>, Nathan Rousseau wrote: : I want to write a server script that answer phone call automatically. : At the end of my ksc file, i have ANSWER and SERVER. : When i send a file to the server, he answers, receive the file and ... : return to interactive mode. : How can i say that the server has to wait for other incoming call when he : finishes one? : Something like: set port blah set speed blah set modem type blah cd blah disable cd ; (if desired) don't let client change directories disable bye ; client must use FINISH (not BYE) set carrier watch on ; break out of server if client hangs up while true { answer if success server } The "while true" condition can be elaborated to provide any other desired criterion for loop exit. - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 14 17:48:29 EDT 2001 Article: 12428 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 Ready Date: 14 May 2001 21:42:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <9dpjgv$go2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989876575 17154 128.59.39.2 (14 May 2001 21:42:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2001 21:42:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12428 Hi everybody. I've just put up C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck71.html There have been just a few minor changes since Alpha.04: . FTP client verbosity adjustments. . Bug with generic modem dialing pausing several secs fixed. . SET HOST /USER:, SET LOGIN USERID, etc, fixed when given no user ID. . A couple \v(dm_blah) dial modifier variables added. . "--version" command-line switch added. . Fixed NetBSD serial-port DTR handling. . Lots of syntax cleanups for Flexelint and gcc -Wall. . Fixed modem-type aliases to not take precedence over real names. . Fixed funny treatment of doublequotes by ECHO command. . Enabled SET SESSION-LOG for VMS and other non-UNIX platorms. . Fixed changing direction in command history buffer. . Fixed handling of IKSD URLs. . Made sure DELETE prints a message if it got any errors. In all, the changes since Alpha.02 in January have been very minor. Either this is a remarkably stable version, or nobody is using it. In any case, I plan to remove the Beta designation within a week or two and release it for real, so if you use C-Kermit but have not tested version 7.1 yet, this is your last chance to find any problems and report them. Beta.01 has been built on nearly 100 different OS/hardware/compiler combinations so far. Please see the binaries list at the end of the web page; if you have a platform that does not have a Beta.01 binary listed, please try building it there and upload the result to: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/cku199b01.xxx where xxx follows the normal convention of makefile entry name, hardware, OS release, whatever was used in C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html#binlist If you have trouble, let me know. In case anybody was wondering, we ran out of time and were not able to include SSH or SSH2 in this version. We do expect, however, to have SSH the next one. Meanwhile, version 7.1 includes Kerberos IV, Kerberos V, SSL/TLS, and SRP are included in the source-code archives, but due to US government restrictions on the export of binaries containing strong encryption, no prebuilt secure binaries are available; you'll have to build them yourself from the source code. Instructions are here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security71.html - Frank From msapiro@value.net Tue May 15 11:51:20 EDT 2001 Article: 12429 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news2.best.com!news1.best.com!vnetnews.value.net!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ? Script for retrieving from POP3 server Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:08:03 -0700 Organization: Not Very Much Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3B006553.C1470406@value.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-209-182-169-133.value.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.value.net 989881826 19543 209.182.169.133 (14 May 2001 23:10:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@value.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2001 23:10:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,en-GB Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12429 My main ISP has just separated its mail server from the server on which I have a (Unix) shell account. As a result, I am looking for a way to copy my mail from the mail server to a file on the local host. I am considering creating a Kermit script to talk POP3 protocol with the mail server for this purpose. Before I do this, I wonder if anyone has a Kermit script which either does this or which could be used as a base to save me some work. Also, is anyone aware of an existing application that can do this, not necessarily a Kermit script. Currently, I can use pine to access the remote mail and save it locally, but this is cumbersome and not really satisfactory as I have to save the messages one at a time, and pine alters the headers. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From matt@mhg3.sc.scruznet.com Tue May 15 11:51:27 EDT 2001 Article: 12430 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.tycho.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3b006d83$0$322$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net> From: "Matthew H. Gerlach" Subject: Re: ? Script for retrieving from POP3 server Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <3B006553.C1470406@value.net> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.12-20 (i586)) Date: 14 May 2001 23:43:00 GMT Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 6bf822c5.newsreader.tycho.net X-Trace: 989883780 gemini.tycho.net 322 165.227.59.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tycho.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12430 I use pine 4.1, and it has no problem accessing remote POP servers. There is also a tool called "fetchmail" fetchmail(1) fetchmail(1) NAME fetchmail - fetch mail from a POP, IMAP, or ETRN-capable server SYNOPSIS fetchmail [options] [mailserver...] fetchmailconf DESCRIPTION fetchmail is a mail-retrieval and forwarding utility; it fetches mail from remote mailservers and forwards it to your local (client) machine's delivery system. You can then handle the retrieved mail using normal mail user agents such as elm(1) or Mail(1). The fetchmail utility can be run in a daemon mode to repeatedly poll one or more systems at a specified interval. Mark Sapiro wrote: > My main ISP has just separated its mail server from the server on which > I have a (Unix) shell account. As a result, I am looking for a way to > copy my mail from the mail server to a file on the local host. I am > considering creating a Kermit script to talk POP3 protocol with the mail > server for this purpose. > Before I do this, I wonder if anyone has a Kermit script which either > does this or which could be used as a base to save me some work. > Also, is anyone aware of an existing application that can do this, not > necessarily a Kermit script. > Currently, I can use pine to access the remote mail and save it locally, > but this is cumbersome and not really satisfactory as I have to save the > messages one at a time, and pine alters the headers. > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro@value.net Tue May 15 11:51:30 EDT 2001 Article: 12431 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news1.best.com!vnetnews.value.net!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ? Script for retrieving from POP3 server Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:30:59 -0700 Organization: Not Very Much Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3B0086D3.1E8D6F90@value.net> References: <3B006553.C1470406@value.net> <3b006d83$0$322$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-209-182-169-133.value.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.value.net 989890403 23897 209.182.169.133 (15 May 2001 01:33:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@value.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 2001 01:33:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,en-GB Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12431 "Matthew H. Gerlach" wrote: > > I use pine 4.1, and it has no problem accessing remote POP servers. I have no problem accessing the remote server with pine, but what I want to do is effectively copy the remote mailbox to a local file, and I don't know how to do this with pine other than "one message at a time" and without pine altering the headers (in particular, pine seems to change the initial From line, replacing the sender's address with mine). > There is also a tool called "fetchmail" Thanks for the pointer to fetchmail. It seems that it would be ideal, but it is not installed on my local server. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Tue May 15 11:51:33 EDT 2001 Article: 12432 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!skynet.be!shere!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: inapproriate connection type with hostmdm.ksc Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:29:59 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3b0114e5$0$3120$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 989926629 reader0.news.skynet.be 3120 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12432 Hi! I get "0" - Inappropriate connection type: "remote" when i run hostmdm.ksc on my server but it works on my client.... what's the problem Thanks in advance Nathan Rousseau From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 15 11:51:36 EDT 2001 Article: 12433 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: inapproriate connection type with hostmdm.ksc Date: 15 May 2001 11:51:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9dr57c$l6n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3b0114e5$0$3120$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 989927468 21719 128.59.39.2 (15 May 2001 11:51:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 2001 11:51:08 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12433 In article <3b0114e5$0$3120$456d72a3@news.skynet.be>, Nathan Rousseau wrote: : Hi! : : I get "0" - Inappropriate connection type: "remote" when i run hostmdm.ksc : on my server but it works on my client.... what's the problem : : Thanks in advance : : Nathan Rousseau HOSTMDM.KSC is designed to be run from HOSTMODE.KSC which configures the Port, Modem Type, and Speed. If you do not open an outgoing port, then Kermit (when started under a unix shell) will be in "remote" mode. In other words, it is using stdio (device "0") as the communication channel. HOSTMDM.KSC is designed to listen for an incoming call on a modem and then run the HOST.KSC script using the modem as the data channel for communication with the caller. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Thu May 17 10:16:12 EDT 2001 Article: 12435 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit command line argument for config of many modems Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:01:40 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3b02359b$0$43047$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 990000539 reader1.news.skynet.be 43047 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12435 Hi, I have N modems on the same computer that will use kermit. - If i want to use kermit with all those modems, i have to start N times kermit ? If not how can i do it? - If i make a batch file, Can i give some "custom" arguments from the batch file to the kermit program when i start it? If yes, how can i do it? Thanks in advance Nathan Rousseau From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Thu May 17 10:16:20 EDT 2001 Article: 12436 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <3B023789.D5FAA37E@adelaide.edu.au> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:47:13 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: The University of Adelaide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit command line argument for config of many modems References: <3b02359b$0$43047$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au X-Trace: 16 May 2001 17:47:16 +0950, arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au Lines: 36 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!yorrell.saard.net!hakea.services.adelaide.edu.au!arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12436 Hi, you can make a list of serial ports and modem types in your kermit script or a separate text file and for each modem have the script issue a SET PORT and SET MODEM command. I used this to check and reset modems on a Unix machine quite effectively. Nathan Rousseau wrote: > > Hi, > > I have N modems on the same computer that will use kermit. > - If i want to use kermit with all those modems, i have to start N times > kermit ? If not how can i do it? > > - If i make a batch file, Can i give some "custom" arguments from the batch > file to the kermit program when i start it? If yes, how can i do it? > > Thanks in advance > Nathan Rousseau -- Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 http://online.adelaide.edu.au/doclib.nsf/Refs/Official_Email_Disclaimer ----------------------------------------------------------- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential and/or copyright. 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From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Thu May 17 10:16:43 EDT 2001 Article: 12437 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.159.255.21!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <3b02359b$0$43047$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> <3B023789.D5FAA37E@adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: kermit command line argument for config of many modems Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:43:58 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3b024d95$0$3124$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 990006678 reader0.news.skynet.be 3124 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12437 In fact, each modem is waiting for phone call... So i use ANSWER and as soon as kermit enter in respond mode he only wait fo call, I can't start new process from kermit... or maybe can i but i don't know how "Arthur Marsh" wrote in message news:3B023789.D5FAA37E@adelaide.edu.au... > Hi, you can make a list of serial ports and modem types in your kermit > script or a separate text file and for each modem have the script issue > a SET PORT and SET MODEM command. I used this to check and reset modems > on a Unix machine quite effectively. > > Nathan Rousseau wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have N modems on the same computer that will use kermit. > > - If i want to use kermit with all those modems, i have to start N times > > kermit ? If not how can i do it? > > > > - If i make a batch file, Can i give some "custom" arguments from the batch > > file to the kermit program when i start it? If yes, how can i do it? > > > > Thanks in advance > > Nathan Rousseau > > -- > Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services > The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia > Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 > > http://online.adelaide.edu.au/doclib.nsf/Refs/Official_Email_Disclaimer > ----------------------------------------------------------- > This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) > and contains information which may be confidential and/or > copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please > do not read, save, forward, disclose, or copy the contents > of this email. If this email has been sent to you in > please notify the sender by reply email and delete this > email and any copies or links to this email immediately > from your system. No representation is made that this email > is free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is > the responsibility of the recipient. > From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Thu May 17 10:16:53 EDT 2001 Article: 12438 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "Arthur Marsh" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <3b02359b$0$43047$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> <3B023789.D5FAA37E@adelaide.edu.au> <3b024d95$0$3124$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> Subject: Re: kermit command line argument for config of many modems Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:01:51 +0930 Lines: 59 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.9.18.129 Message-ID: <3b02572d_5@news.chariot.net.au> X-Trace: 16 May 2001 20:02:13 +0950, 210.9.18.129 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp-new.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!newspeer2.tds.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!yorrell.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!news.saix.saia.asn.au!news.chariot.net.au!210.9.18.129 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12438 If you want to have kermit monitor multiple modems, you would need to run the kermit program once for each serial port being monitored, passing the serial port as a command line argument if you only wanted to have the one script. "Nathan Rousseau" wrote in message news:3b024d95$0$3124$456d72a3@news.skynet.be... > In fact, each modem is waiting for phone call... > So i use ANSWER and as soon as kermit enter in respond mode he only wait fo > call, I can't start new process from kermit... or maybe can i but i don't > know how > > > "Arthur Marsh" wrote in message > news:3B023789.D5FAA37E@adelaide.edu.au... > > Hi, you can make a list of serial ports and modem types in your kermit > > script or a separate text file and for each modem have the script issue > > a SET PORT and SET MODEM command. I used this to check and reset modems > > on a Unix machine quite effectively. > > > > Nathan Rousseau wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have N modems on the same computer that will use kermit. > > > - If i want to use kermit with all those modems, i have to start N times > > > kermit ? If not how can i do it? > > > > > > - If i make a batch file, Can i give some "custom" arguments from the > batch > > > file to the kermit program when i start it? If yes, how can i do it? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > Nathan Rousseau > > > > -- > > Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services > > The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia > > Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 > > > > http://online.adelaide.edu.au/doclib.nsf/Refs/Official_Email_Disclaimer > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) > > and contains information which may be confidential and/or > > copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please > > do not read, save, forward, disclose, or copy the contents > > of this email. If this email has been sent to you in > > please notify the sender by reply email and delete this > > email and any copies or links to this email immediately > > from your system. No representation is made that this email > > is free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is > > the responsibility of the recipient. > > > > From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Thu May 17 10:24:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12439 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!shere!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: fail management Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:58:04 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3b03864d$0$3124$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 990086733 reader0.news.skynet.be 3124 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12439 When i call a macro with macro error set to on, the macro exit when error occur but the return value of the macro seems always to be success ( even if an error occur ) DEFINE SET_MODEM_CARACTERISTIQUE { SET MACRO ERROR ON ... SET PORT \%2 ; Device name IF FAIL - DO WRITE_IN_LOG {Unable to connect to : \%2 device} - END 1 ERROR ... END 0 } I call the macro with : DO SET_MODEM_CARACTERISTIQUE \%1 \%2 \%3 IF FAIL - DO WRITE_IN_LOG {Unable to setup the modem to type: \%1, port \%2, speed \%3} - END 1 ERROR and it never go in the fail case even if for example, an other session kermit is already using the port but the macro SET_MODEM_CARACTERISTIQUE has been terminated following the error From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 17 10:24:24 EDT 2001 Article: 12441 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: fail management Date: 17 May 2001 14:24:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9e0mum$90o$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3b03864d$0$3124$456d72a3@news.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990109462 9240 128.59.39.2 (17 May 2001 14:24:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2001 14:24:22 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12441 In article <3b03864d$0$3124$456d72a3@news.skynet.be>, Nathan Rousseau wrote: : When i call a macro with macro error set to on, the macro exit when error : occur but the return value of the macro seems always to be success ( even : if an error occur ) : What version of Kermit are you using? It does not happen in the current version of C-Kermit, which is 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html nor in the corresponding version of Kermit 95. Example: define xx { echo hello from xx, fail, echo you should not see this } do xx status prints: hello from xx FAILURE The same thing happens when I replace "fail" (a command that always fails) with "set line /dev/tty01" (where /dev/tty01 is a device I don't have access to). : ... it never go in the fail case even if for example, an other session : kermit is already using the port but the macro SET_MODEM_CARACTERISTIQUE : has been terminated following the error : If you SET MACRO ERROR ON, this makes any failure exit the macro immediately with a failure status. SET MACRO ERROR ON is for people who do not want to put IF FAIL or IF SUCCESS after every statement in the macro. If you remove SET MACRO ERROR ON from your script, your macros should behave as you expect. - Frank From john.santos@post.harvard.edu Fri May 18 10:10:21 EDT 2001 Article: 12442 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone1.ba-dsg.net!spamfinder.gnilink.com!typhoon2.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Santos Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ? Script for retrieving from POP3 server Message-ID: References: <3B006553.C1470406@value.net> <3b006d83$0$322$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net> <3B0086D3.1E8D6F90@value.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 Lines: 25 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:32:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.109.54 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon2.ba-dsg.net 990171166 151.203.109.54 (Fri, 18 May 2001 03:32:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:32:46 EDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12442 In article <3B0086D3.1E8D6F90@value.net>, msapiro@value.net says... > "Matthew H. Gerlach" wrote: > > > > I use pine 4.1, and it has no problem accessing remote POP servers. > > I have no problem accessing the remote server with pine, but what I want > to do is effectively copy the remote mailbox to a local file, and I > don't know how to do this with pine other than "one message at a time" > and without pine altering the headers (in particular, pine seems to > change the initial From line, replacing the sender's address with mine). > > > There is also a tool called "fetchmail" > > Thanks for the pointer to fetchmail. It seems that it would be ideal, > but it is not installed on my local server. At my company, we used to use Kermit to connect to the SMTP server and send mail, so talking to the POP3 server should be possible. I don't have any special hints to offer except that it would probably be necessary to turn off telnet option negotiations ("set telnet wait off" in Kermit, IIRC), and to careful check for errors after each and every command in your Kermit script and have it do something reasonable. -- John Santos From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 18 10:10:26 EDT 2001 Article: 12443 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ? Script for retrieving from POP3 server Date: 18 May 2001 12:37:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <9e351k$maj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B006553.C1470406@value.net> <3b006d83$0$322$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net> <3B0086D3.1E8D6F90@value.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990189428 22867 128.59.39.2 (18 May 2001 12:37:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2001 12:37:08 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12443 In article , John Santos wrote: : At my company, we used to use Kermit to connect to the SMTP server and : send mail, so talking to the POP3 server should be possible. I don't : have any special hints to offer except that it would probably be : necessary to turn off telnet option negotiations ("set telnet wait off" : in Kermit, IIRC), and to careful check for errors after each and every : command in your Kermit script and have it do something reasonable. When using C-Kermit to connect to a service that is not using telnet protocol, the connection should be made using a raw socket SET HOST host port /RAW-SOCKET /RAW-SOCKET is an example of a protocol. Another protocol that can be used with NVT based services is /NO-TELNET-INIT which means use Telnet protocol but do not initiate any telnet negotiations. SET TELNET WAIT OFF is something that should be used only when communicating with a broken Telnet Server when you do not want to spend the time to determine which of the telnet options it implements improperly. When SET TELNET WAIT OFF is used, telnet negotiations are initiated which may be treated as garbage by the service. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 18 17:40:49 EDT 2001 Article: 12445 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ms-kermit Date: 18 May 2001 21:40:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9e44t1$h03$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0mgN6.16420$gc1.1436645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990222049 17411 128.59.39.2 (18 May 2001 21:40:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2001 21:40:49 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12445 In article <0mgN6.16420$gc1.1436645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Lee Roy Sphits wrote: : I run a CNC router in a michigan cabinet shop. Weve been trying to get : remote access to it from the office. Unfortunately the CAD\CAM software : needs KERMIT to do this and is now so old and antiquated it won't work with : K95 (which we paid for and are fully liscensed to use) any one have an old : kopy of the dos based mskermit circa 92-94 laying around? : That's the wrong question. The real question is: why doesn't it work with K95? I'd be pretty surprised if we could not get this working for you. Just send details to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Also, you might want to take a look at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html#x4.22 which gives helpful hints about adapting C-Kermit (and K95) to antiquated (actually "antiquated" is not the problem -- "buggy" is more likely) Kermit implementations. - Frank From leeroysphits@earthlink.net Fri May 18 17:40:54 EDT 2001 Article: 12444 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lee Roy Sphits" From: "Lee Roy Sphits" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ms-kermit Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0mgN6.16420$gc1.1436645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:19:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.27.50.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 990220796 63.27.50.116 (Fri, 18 May 2001 14:19:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:19:56 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:18:15 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12444 I run a CNC router in a michigan cabinet shop. Weve been trying to get remote access to it from the office. Unfortunately the CAD\CAM software needs KERMIT to do this and is now so old and antiquated it won't work with K95 (which we paid for and are fully liscensed to use) any one have an old kopy of the dos based mskermit circa 92-94 laying around? From jrd@cc.usu.edu Fri May 18 19:44:45 EDT 2001 Article: 12446 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ms-kermit Message-ID: Date: 18 May 01 17:08:32 MDT References: <0mgN6.16420$gc1.1436645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12446 In article <0mgN6.16420$gc1.1436645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Lee Roy Sphits" writes: > I run a CNC router in a michigan cabinet shop. Weve been trying to get > remote access to it from the office. Unfortunately the CAD\CAM software > needs KERMIT to do this and is now so old and antiquated it won't work with > K95 (which we paid for and are fully liscensed to use) any one have an old > kopy of the dos based mskermit circa 92-94 laying around? -------- To answer the question you actually asked, yes, visit Columbia Univ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ amongst equivalent URLs. MSK version 3.16 beta is the latest and works. If navigation is too difficult then http://netlab1.usu.edu/ or http://netlab2.usu.edu/ (home base for MSK) choose "complete file archives" near the top of the screen, then directory kermit, and grab binary file msk31610.exe (the actual executable, not a compressed archive). Joe D. From dold@31.usenet.us.com Fri May 18 20:06:38 EDT 2001 Article: 12447 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: dold@31.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ms-kermit Date: 19 May 2001 00:04:58 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9e4dba$g37$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <0mgN6.16420$gc1.1436645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12447 Joe Doupnik wrote: : To answer the question you actually asked, yes, visit Columbia Joe, that wasn't the answer either ;-) If he truly needs an "old" copy of kermit for some reason, I probably have several iterations lying around... Now, if I could just locate a 5-1/4" diskette to read them with ;-) Seriously, I do have old copies, if they can't be located elsewhere. Give me a version number, and I'll find it, if you and Frank can't resolve the K-95 compatability. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 18 20:18:19 EDT 2001 Article: 12448 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ms-kermit Date: 19 May 2001 00:18:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <9e4e4e$mtg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0mgN6.16420$gc1.1436645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <9e4dba$g37$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990231502 23472 128.59.39.2 (19 May 2001 00:18:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2001 00:18:22 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12448 In article <9e4dba$g37$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Joe Doupnik wrote: : : To answer the question you actually asked, yes, visit Columbia... : : Joe, that wasn't the answer either ;-) : : If he truly needs an "old" copy of kermit for some reason, I probably have : several iterations lying around... : Now, if I could just locate a 5-1/4" diskette to read them with ;-) : : Seriously, I do have old copies, if they can't be located elsewhere. : Give me a version number, and I'll find it, if you and Frank can't resolve : the K-95 compatability. : Yes, obviously old copies of MS-DOS Kermit are kicking around, even on the Kermit FTP site. But no, we don't want you to give up on Kermit 95 after you bought it, because we don't take your money without standing behind our work. Secondly, an old copy of MS-DOS Kermit is not necessarily going to work in Windows (there tend to be issues with the clock). In many cases, a new copy won't either. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/msk95.html for a brief enumeration of the issues. In any case, I doubt very much that I will be unable to resolve any problem that Kermit 95 has transferring files with an old version of Kermit that was able to transfer files with an old version of MS-DOS Kermit. My original answer included a URL that probably contains the answer. Here it is again: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html#x4.22 The most likely reason for the trouble is "control-character unprefixing", an performance enhancement that was first introduced about ten (10) years ago. Some Kermit programs, contrary to the protocol specification, are not able to accept bare control characters as file data. The workaround is very simple -- tell the sending Kermit program (K95 in this case) to: set prefixing all If that's not it, then given a few details about the problem, we'll solve it. That's what we do here. - Frank From jrd@cc.usu.edu Sat May 19 12:51:21 EDT 2001 Article: 12449 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ms-kermit Message-ID: <4AbKpppGuumk@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 May 01 19:00:16 MDT References: <0mgN6.16420$gc1.1436645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <9e4dba$g37$1@samba.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12449 In article <9e4dba$g37$1@samba.rahul.net>, dold@31.usenet.us.com writes: > Joe Doupnik wrote: > : To answer the question you actually asked, yes, visit Columbia > > Joe, that wasn't the answer either ;-) > > If he truly needs an "old" copy of kermit for some reason, I probably have > several iterations lying around... > Now, if I could just locate a 5-1/4" diskette to read them with ;-) > > Seriously, I do have old copies, if they can't be located elsewhere. > Give me a version number, and I'll find it, if you and Frank can't resolve > the K-95 compatability. > > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net ------- Clarence, you have the only really sharp pair of eyeglasses around here. Without engaging in version number tussles, I think it is clear that I have old versions of MSK available internally if the need is clear. What remains is to sort out that need. For such old software please beep me directly, jrd@cc.usu.edu, and we can see what can be done. Joe D. From john.santos@post.harvard.edu Sat May 19 12:51:27 EDT 2001 Article: 12450 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone1.ba-dsg.net!spamfinder.gnilink.com!typhoon2.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Santos Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ? Script for retrieving from POP3 server Message-ID: References: <3B006553.C1470406@value.net> <3b006d83$0$322$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net> <3B0086D3.1E8D6F90@value.net> <9e351k$maj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 Lines: 38 Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:39:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.109.54 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon2.ba-dsg.net 990268775 151.203.109.54 (Sat, 19 May 2001 06:39:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 06:39:35 EDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12450 In article <9e351k$maj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says... > In article , > John Santos wrote: > : At my company, we used to use Kermit to connect to the SMTP server and > : send mail, so talking to the POP3 server should be possible. I don't > : have any special hints to offer except that it would probably be > : necessary to turn off telnet option negotiations ("set telnet wait off" > : in Kermit, IIRC), and to careful check for errors after each and every > : command in your Kermit script and have it do something reasonable. > > When using C-Kermit to connect to a service that is not using telnet > protocol, the connection should be made using a raw socket > > SET HOST host port /RAW-SOCKET > > /RAW-SOCKET is an example of a protocol. Another protocol that can > be used with NVT based services is /NO-TELNET-INIT which means use > Telnet protocol but do not initiate any telnet negotiations. > > SET TELNET WAIT OFF is something that should be used only when > communicating with a broken Telnet Server when you do not want to > spend the time to determine which of the telnet options it implements > improperly. When SET TELNET WAIT OFF is used, telnet negotiations are > initiated which may be treated as garbage by the service. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. Thanks for the hint. I'll check to see if we are still doing this, and use this method if appropriate. (I take it that /NO-TELNET-INIT doesn't initiate telnet negotiations, but does respond to them if the remote side initiates them?) -- John Santos From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 19 12:51:30 EDT 2001 Article: 12451 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ? Script for retrieving from POP3 server Date: 19 May 2001 13:35:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9e5sr4$lco$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B006553.C1470406@value.net> <9e351k$maj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990279332 21912 128.59.39.2 (19 May 2001 13:35:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2001 13:35:32 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12451 In article , John Santos wrote: : : Thanks for the hint. I'll check to see if we are still doing this, and : use this method if appropriate. (I take it that /NO-TELNET-INIT doesn't : initiate telnet negotiations, but does respond to them if the remote : side initiates them?) That is correct. The purpose of /NO-TELNET-INIT is to allow the Telnet NVT mode to be used for protocols that require it but whose implementation does not support telnet negotiations. It should not be used with services that do send Telnet negotiations when scripting because it prevents the SET HOST command from performing the telnet negotiations. This can result in unpredictable behavior from the initial INPUT commands because the telnet negotiations will be during the INPUT timeout period. The INPUT command can therefore fail to find the data it is searching for if the timeout period expires before the end of the telnet negotiations. See http://www.kermit-project.org/telnet71.html for additional details on Kermit's Telnet implementation. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From aw585@lafn.org Mon May 21 11:51:28 EDT 2001 Article: 12454 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!skynet.be!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Subject: ? script for retieving from POP3 server Message-ID: From: "Dallas E. Legan" Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 02:21:12 -0700 Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 52 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12454 > > Subject: ? Script for retrieving from POP3 server > Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:08:03 -0700 > From: Mark Sapiro > Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > > My main ISP has just separated its mail server from the server on which > I have a (Unix) shell account. As a result, I am looking for a way to > copy my mail from the mail server to a file on the local host. I am > considering creating a Kermit script to talk POP3 protocol with the mail > server for this purpose. > > Before I do this, I wonder if anyone has a Kermit script which either > does this or which could be used as a base to save me some work. > > Also, is anyone aware of an existing application that can do this, not > necessarily a Kermit script. > > Currently, I can use pine to access the remote mail and save it locally, > but this is cumbersome and not really satisfactory as I have to save the > messages one at a time, and pine alters the headers. > > -- > Mark Sapiro [16] The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > I had kermit/2 scripts that interfaced both with SMTP and POP running with Kermit/2 on my OS/2 box, and some supplementary pdksh scripts to make a crude but working set of command line e-mail programs. I'll see if I can dig them up and e-mail them to you. I learned a lot about e-mail writing them, though I'm certain they can be improved on. Regards, Dallas E. Legan II / leganii@surfree.com / dallasii@kincyb.com Powered by......Lynx, the Internet at hyperkinetic speed. From arice@benchmark-systems.com Mon May 21 11:51:39 EDT 2001 Article: 12455 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: arice@benchmark-systems.com (Alan Rice) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Server Mode problems with AIX 4.3.3.0 Date: 21 May 2001 07:29:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.170.151.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 990455393 10457 127.0.0.1 (21 May 2001 14:29:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2001 14:29:53 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12455 I was wondering if anybody else has had this problem. I dial into a client and send them into server mode. After I get and send my files I send a finish. It then sends me to a login prompt on the client. I'm using C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for IBM AIX 4.3 on both ends. alan From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 21 12:01:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12456 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server Mode problems with AIX 4.3.3.0 Date: 21 May 2001 16:01:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <9ebe51$2qf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990460897 2895 128.59.39.2 (21 May 2001 16:01:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2001 16:01:37 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12456 In article , Alan Rice wrote: : I was wondering if anybody else has had this problem. : : I dial into a client and send them into server mode. : After I get and send my files I send a finish. : It then sends me to a login prompt on the client. : : I'm using C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for IBM AIX 4.3 on both ends. : I don't have access to an AIX 4.3 system that I can dial out of. However, I do have Telnet access to several AIX 4.3 systems. I can make a Telnet connection (with C-Kermit) from one to the other, start C-Kermit on the far end, put it in server mode, transfer some files, and type "finish" to the client. The client remains at its prompt. If I type "connect" I'm back at the remote and C-Kermit is at its prompt there too. In other words, everything is normal. Therefore the problem you are experiencing is either a procedural error or something to do with modems, serial ports, and dialing. The former is more likely. Are you using a script on one or both ends? Maybe the script (or your C-Kermit initialization file, ~/.kermrc) contains commands that are causing this behavior. If that's not it, please download the C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 source code: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku199.tar.Z (or .gz) uncompress, untar, "make aix43", and see if it still happens. If so, get back to us at kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll get to the bottom of it. - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 21 12:35:14 EDT 2001 Article: 12457 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ncftpget, NetPresenz, and recursive directory transfers Date: 21 May 2001 16:27:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <9ebfm7$3qe$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ea6dh$f0f@cokie.wellesley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990462471 3918 128.59.39.2 (21 May 2001 16:27:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2001 16:27:51 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.solaris:327450 comp.sys.mac.comm:319200 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12457 In article <9ea6dh$f0f@cokie.wellesley.edu>, Kirsten Chevalier wrote: : ... I'm currently : trying to move over all the user accounts from the Mac to the Sun. Since we : have about 80 users, I'd like to do this automatically. Browsing around on : the web, I found out about ncftpget and its "get -R" command ... : It wasn't that simple. (It's never that simple.) ... : I don't know if this will help because I've never had access to a Mac-based FTP server, but here is a new UNIX-based FTP client that does recursive GETs, and they work with a variety of UNIX and non-UNIX servers -- but have never been tried with a Mac: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html It should only take you a few minutes to verify whether it works or not. The commands would be something like this: ftp wilber [ log in ... ] rcd ; RCD = Remote CD cd get /recursive * Or maybe "get /recursive :" (I'm not sure what the syntax would be for the Mac FTP server). Let me know how it goes. If it "almost works", I'll see what I can do to make it really work (the software in question is C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01, so there is still a little time to make changes before the final release). However, one final caution: even if it works, who knows what the results will look like on UNIX. Mac files have two "forks", which don't mean anything to UNIX. Does the Mac server send just the data fork? Or both? If both, does it use some kind of syntax or protocol to mark them? etc etc. Also note that the text-file formats are different between MacOS and UNIX. The new FTP server will actually take care of that for you automatically if you let it know that naming conventions on the server; this will let it switch per-file between text and binary mode. Or you can force the entire transfer to be in text (or binary) mode. More about the new FTP client here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html <-- Scripting tutorial http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3 <-- Complete docs - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 21 13:36:19 EDT 2001 Article: 12458 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp scripting Date: 21 May 2001 17:01:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <9ebhkm$58n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B0906FD.38F29EBB@ccagroup.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990464470 5399 128.59.39.2 (21 May 2001 17:01:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2001 17:01:10 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:285872 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12458 In article <3B0906FD.38F29EBB@ccagroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman wrote: : I have a requirement for ftp scripting. : I need to upload stuff, and on success rename it on both systems. : I also need to download stuff (whatever's there), and on success delete : it from the server, then do things with it locally. : ... : The new kermit (7.1 beta) looks promising, but doesn't seem to be : prebuilt for VMS yet. : Yes, the new C-Kermit would do exactly what you want: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html and no, it's not available for VMS yet. It's not just a simple matter of building. A lot of code has to be written too, and this would have to be done by a C programmer who is more intimate with VMS TCP/IP stacks, RMS, and VMS FTP protocol extensions than I am. We don't want it to be just a C-Library port of the UNIX version -- we want it to handle VMS as well as native FTP clients do, but with all the added benefits (scripting, automatic per-file text/binary-mode switching, recursion, character-set conversion, etc). I've put out a number of feelers but so far nobody has taken the bait (block that metaphor!) There is definitely a demand. I hope someone can step up and fill in the VMS particulars. C-Kermit 7.1 is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck71.html and the FTP module is: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckcftp.c : The licence forbids commercial non-internal use : too, without providing a pointer to a (presumably chargeable) commercial : licence. : Yes, if you want to furnish Kermit software to customers or clients, you need to license it. That's not a bad thing. You get money from your customers and clients, we get money from you. It's like the food chain. We all have to eat. - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 22 10:48:24 EDT 2001 Article: 12459 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on Solaris 7? Date: 22 May 2001 01:02:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9ecdqb$ppp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990493323 26425 128.59.39.2 (22 May 2001 01:02:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 01:02:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12459 comp.unix.solaris:327562 I'm getting some strange reports about C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on Solaris 7 (and 8). Has anybody used it successfully? I'm interested particularly in two areas: 1. After a file transfer, in which the fullscreen (curses) file transfer display was used, do subsequent commands still echo normally? (They do for me, but apparently not for everybody.) Are there alternative versions of curses for Solaris 7/8 floating around? 2. Can you "set line" to a serial port and dial out? Can you do this repeatedly? If so, does hardware flow control work? Please let me know either way. Unfortunately I don't have access to a Solaris 7 or 8 computer from which I can test "set line" and dialing. If you haven't tried C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 yet, it's here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck71.html Thanks! - Frank From 900626@corpmail.kodak.com Tue May 22 10:48:32 EDT 2001 Article: 12467 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kodak.com!not-for-mail From: Mathew Kirsch Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on Solaris 7? Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:18:11 -0400 Organization: Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3B0A6713.35101F06@kodak.com> References: <9ecdqb$ppp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: 900626@corpmail.kodak.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lefty.kp.kodak.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12467 comp.unix.solaris:327662 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > I'm getting some strange reports about C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on > Solaris 7 (and 8). Has anybody used it successfully? I'm > interested particularly in two areas: I take it you're the author looking for bug reports? > 1. After a file transfer, in which the fullscreen (curses) > file transfer display was used, do subsequent commands > still echo normally? (They do for me, but apparently > not for everybody.) Are there alternative versions of > curses for Solaris 7/8 floating around? > > 2. Can you "set line" to a serial port and dial out? > Can you do this repeatedly? If so, does hardware flow > control work? From steve@baus-systems.com Tue May 22 10:48:50 EDT 2001 Article: 12460 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Steve" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File collision overwrite Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:21:21 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12460 I am not able to get set file collision overwrite to work with K95, v1.1.20, in server mode on a Win 95 PC when receiving files from a DOS PC running MSK3.15. I can bring up K95, set file collision overwrite, do a show file to verify it is set, go into server mode, do a serial port file transfer from a DOS PC running MSK 3.15, everything is fine, my file system.dbf goes across. If I send the file again and I get the second file being renamed to system.dbf.~1~. On the DOS PC side, the message is remote file name is ..../system.dbf. So the DOS side thinks overwriting is happening. Any ideas what I might have sent incorrectly? Thanks, Steve From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 22 10:48:57 EDT 2001 Article: 12462 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File collision overwrite Date: 22 May 2001 04:00:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9eco9h$3ba$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990504049 3434 128.59.39.2 (22 May 2001 04:00:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 04:00:49 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12462 In article , Steve wrote: : I am not able to get set file collision overwrite to work with K95, v1.1.20, : in server mode on a Win 95 PC when receiving files from a DOS PC running : MSK3.15. : : I can bring up K95, set file collision overwrite, do a show file to verify : it is set, go into server mode, do a serial port file transfer from a DOS PC : running MSK 3.15, everything is fine, my file system.dbf goes across. If I : send the file again and I get the second file being renamed to : system.dbf.~1~. On the DOS PC side, the message is remote file name is : ..../system.dbf. So the DOS side thinks overwriting is happening. : : Any ideas what I might have sent incorrectly? You must ENABLE DELETE to allow files to be deleted. OVERWRITE mode Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Tue May 22 10:49:06 EDT 2001 Article: 12461 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <3B09E25B.8117DD48@adelaide.edu.au> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:21:55 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: The University of Adelaide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing a TCP port and logging response Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au X-Trace: 22 May 2001 13:21:55 +0950, arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au Lines: 17 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!yorrell.saard.net!hakea.services.adelaide.edu.au!arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12461 Hi, when using C-Kermit on a Unix machine to check that a service is alive by running: echo 'set port localhost 99'|kermit the shell (ksh on Tru64 4.0E) seems to show the same status both for successful connections and "connection refused" situations. How would one set C-Kermit to test a TCP port, (waiting only a few seconds for a response and not a long timeout), return a success/failure status to the calling shell, and save any response from the connection attempt to a file? -- Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 22 10:49:11 EDT 2001 Article: 12463 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: testing a TCP port and logging response Date: 22 May 2001 04:04:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9ecogf$3jb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B09E25B.8117DD48@adelaide.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990504271 3691 128.59.39.2 (22 May 2001 04:04:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 04:04:31 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12463 In article <3B09E25B.8117DD48@adelaide.edu.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Hi, when using C-Kermit on a Unix machine to check that a service is : alive by running: : : echo 'set port localhost 99'|kermit : : the shell (ksh on Tru64 4.0E) seems to show the same status both for : successful connections and "connection refused" situations. A couple of issues here. first, you are using pipes so it is unclear which process generates the return code. Second, you are not instructing Kermit to return a value. : How would one set C-Kermit to test a TCP port, (waiting only a few : seconds for a response and not a long timeout), return a success/failure : status to the calling shell, and save any response from the connection : attempt to a file? If you want to do this on the command line kermit -C "set host localhost 99, if failure exit 1, close, exit 0" Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Tue May 22 10:49:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12464 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <3B09F5B7.A623B8AF@adelaide.edu.au> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:44:31 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: The University of Adelaide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: testing a TCP port and logging response References: <3B09E25B.8117DD48@adelaide.edu.au> <9ecogf$3jb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au X-Trace: 22 May 2001 14:44:31 +0950, arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au Lines: 33 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!yorrell.saard.net!hakea.services.adelaide.edu.au!arthur.its.adelaide.edu.au Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12464 Hi, thanks for the quick response. kermit -h didn't suggest the -C option. If the SET HOST command times out, one would get an error indication eventually, but if one was wanting to get a success/failure indication a few seconds after the SET HOST was issued, could C-Kermit provide the means to do this? The purpose of this is to check for a TCP service that has "hung" and provide the means to quickly take fail-over action. Regards, Arthur. Jeffrey Altman wrote: > : How would one set C-Kermit to test a TCP port, (waiting only a few > : seconds for a response and not a long timeout), return a success/failure > : status to the calling shell, and save any response from the connection > : attempt to a file? > > If you want to do this on the command line > > kermit -C "set host localhost 99, if failure exit 1, close, exit 0" > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. -- Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 22 10:49:23 EDT 2001 Article: 12466 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: testing a TCP port and logging response Date: 22 May 2001 11:57:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9edk6g$jdc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B09E25B.8117DD48@adelaide.edu.au> <9ecogf$3jb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3B09F5B7.A623B8AF@adelaide.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990532624 19884 128.59.39.2 (22 May 2001 11:57:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 11:57:04 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12466 In article <3B09F5B7.A623B8AF@adelaide.edu.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Hi, thanks for the quick response. kermit -h didn't suggest the -C : option. : : If the SET HOST command times out, one would get an error indication : eventually, but if one was wanting to get a success/failure indication a : few seconds after the SET HOST was issued, could C-Kermit provide the : means to do this? The purpose of this is to check for a TCP service that : has "hung" and provide the means to quickly take fail-over action. : : Regards, : : Arthur. Kermit cannot control how long it takes the TCP/IP stack to make a connection to a host. If the service is there, response will be very fast. If the service is not there, then it can take a while. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk Tue May 22 10:49:32 EDT 2001 Article: 12465 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ccastat.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Chris Sharman Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp scripting Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:32:51 +0100 Organization: CCA Group Message-ID: <3B0A3242.4B69CB9E@CCAgroup.co.uk> References: <3B0906FD.38F29EBB@ccagroup.co.uk> <9ebhkm$58n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccastat.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ccastat.demon.co.uk:158.152.158.126 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 990520247 nnrp-12:4141 NO-IDENT ccastat.demon.co.uk:158.152.158.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.1 AlphaStation 255/233) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank da Cruz CC: info-madgoat@madgoat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:285938 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12465 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Yes, the new C-Kermit would do exactly what you want: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html > > and no, it's not available for VMS yet. It's not just a simple matter of > building. A lot of code has to be written too, and this would have to be > done by a C programmer who is more intimate with VMS TCP/IP stacks, RMS, > and VMS FTP protocol extensions than I am. We don't want it to be just a > C-Library port of the UNIX version -- we want it to handle VMS as well as > native FTP clients do, but with all the added benefits (scripting, > automatic per-file text/binary-mode switching, recursion, character-set > conversion, etc). I've put out a number of feelers but so far nobody has > taken the bait (block that metaphor!) A tall order. Well beyond me. Perhaps you should talk to the Madgoat folks. They've an excellent (free) ftp product (which I've used, and even modified for my requirements, without any deep understanding). It's the only non-commercial ftp on VMS that I'm aware of. They've put in a lot of effort on performance too. Maybe you could work out some kind of co-ownership agreement: their ftp code with your scripting additions etc. > : The licence forbids commercial non-internal use > : too, without providing a pointer to a (presumably chargeable) commercial > : licence. > : > Yes, if you want to furnish Kermit software to customers or clients, you > need to license it. That's not a bad thing. You get money from your > customers and clients, we get money from you. It's like the food chain. > We all have to eat. We're not a software supplier. I just want to exchange data with a parcel courier we use. "Internal use" is unclear: does it mean I can use kermit for anything I want, or just for moving data internally ? I don't intend supplying kermit to them or anyone else. In any case, I wasn't griping about the price, just that I wasn't clear on what the price was (and I'm still not). Thanks, Chris Sharman From goathunter@goatley.com Tue May 22 10:49:47 EDT 2001 Article: 12468 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.process.com!not-for-mail From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp scripting Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:12:58 GMT Organization: Process Software Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3b0a737d.692330328@news.process.com> References: <3B0906FD.38F29EBB@ccagroup.co.uk> <9ebhkm$58n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3B0A3242.4B69CB9E@CCAgroup.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cornelius.goatley.com X-Trace: news.process.com 990540799 7117 208.44.114.166 (22 May 2001 14:13:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.process.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:13:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:285985 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12468 On Tue, 22 May 2001 09:32:51 +0100, Chris Sharman wrote: >A tall order. Well beyond me. Perhaps you should talk to the Madgoat >folks. They've an excellent (free) ftp product (which I've used, and >even modified for my requirements, without any deep understanding). >It's the only non-commercial ftp on VMS that I'm aware of. >They've put in a lot of effort on performance too. Maybe you could work >out some kind of co-ownership agreement: their ftp code with your >scripting additions etc. > What's lacking is time. I had hoped to work on the Kermit FTP stuff for VMS, but I just have not had the free time to do it. Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ goathunter@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 22 10:58:00 EDT 2001 Article: 12469 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp scripting Date: 22 May 2001 14:57:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <9edupj$qpd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B0906FD.38F29EBB@ccagroup.co.uk> <9ebhkm$58n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3B0A3242.4B69CB9E@CCAgroup.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990543475 27437 128.59.39.2 (22 May 2001 14:57:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 14:57:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:285994 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12469 In article <3B0A3242.4B69CB9E@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > Chris Sharman wrote: : > : The licence forbids commercial non-internal use : > : too, without providing a pointer to a (presumably chargeable) commercial : > : licence. : > : > Yes, if you want to furnish Kermit software to customers or clients, you : > need to license it. That's not a bad thing. You get money from your : > customers and clients, we get money from you. It's like the food chain. : > We all have to eat. : : We're not a software supplier. I just want to exchange data with a : parcel courier we use. "Internal use" is unclear: does it mean I can use : kermit for anything I want, or just for moving data internally ? I don't : intend supplying kermit to them or anyone else. In any case, I wasn't : griping about the price, just that I wasn't clear on what the price was : (and I'm still not). : If two consenting adults have copies of Kermit, of course they can use to exchange files with each other :-) Licensing is not required to USE the software, only when it is to be treated as a product or commodity in a commercial setting -- i.e. when it is sold as a commercial product or included in or with a commercial product, or furnished to a customer or client as part of a commercial service, e.g. by a consultant or contractor. In your case, since you are not supplying the software to anyone, you would not need to license it. I hope this is clear from: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/commercial.html and from the C-Kermit license itself: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/COPYING.TXT - Frank From pju@globalnet.co.uk Tue May 22 12:52:09 EDT 2001 Article: 12470 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Pete Upson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Internal PCI modem hassle Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:22:55 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 34 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12470 Hi , can anyone help please? Normally I use external modems, but this one has quite a few of us foxed. Kermit 95 1.1.20 Win98 SE Internal PCI 3com/USRobotics 56k K-95> set port com1 K-95> set speed 38400 ttsetspd failed: 6 ?SET SPEED fails, speed is 0 K-95> The port is recognised in modem properties & diagnostics with More Info correctly talks to the modem. The non-standard bit is that although the O/S has installed the plug-n-play card as COM1, it has chosen IRQ 10 & input/output address D400-D43F. Win98 seems unwilling to let me change i/o address & irq, but seeing as the diagnostics can talk to the modem, why can Kermit95 not? Many thanks for any help you can give Pete Upson From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 22 12:52:12 EDT 2001 Article: 12471 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Internal PCI modem hassle Date: 22 May 2001 16:52:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9ee5fr$292$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990550331 2338 128.59.39.2 (22 May 2001 16:52:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 16:52:11 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12471 In article , Pete Upson wrote: : Normally I use external modems, but this one has quite a few of us foxed. : : Kermit 95 1.1.20 : Win98 SE : Internal PCI 3com/USRobotics 56k : : K-95> set port com1 : K-95> set speed 38400 : ttsetspd failed: 6 : ?SET SPEED fails, speed is 0 : K-95> : Use the Windows Modem device rather than the DOS device. Instead of: set port com1 use: set tapi line - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 22 16:35:33 EDT 2001 Article: 12473 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File collision overwrite Date: 22 May 2001 19:03:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9eed5j$7ev$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9eco9h$3ba$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990558195 7647 128.59.39.2 (22 May 2001 19:03:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 19:03:15 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12473 In article , Steve wrote: : Thanks. : : Is there a similar setting that needs to happen before set incomplete : discard works? I am testing and am purposely disconnecting the sending DOS : MSK 3.15 PC in the middle of a file transfer and waiting for the Win 95 K95 : server PC to timeout and fail on the receive. After I timeout on the : server, 5% into the file, I get a : : Last Error: Failure: Too many retries : Last Message: Transfer OK : : I look at the receiving folder and about 5% of the file is there. What version of K95 are you using? The current version is 1.1.20. I can't reproduce this problem. I start k95.exe -Y to use the defaults and then enable delete set incomplete discard set host * 3000 /telnet and connect to the kermit session, send a file, and press 'E' to terminate the transfer with an error. When I look for the file it is not there. If you are still having problems, send e-mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From gsherman@remove_this.m20.net Tue May 22 16:41:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12474 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Glenn Sherman" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: zmodem problem Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:08:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.177.30.119 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 990558491 216.177.30.119 (Tue, 22 May 2001 15:08:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:08:11 EDT Organization: metro2000 (metro2000.net) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12474 I know this is a zmodem problem, but I thought someone might have dealt with this already. I have a kermit script that dials up to send a file. The server only receives zmodem transfers. --- part of script --- set modem type hayes-2400 set line /dev/ser2 set speed 19200 set dial interval 30 set dial retries 3 set file type text set protocol zmodem {} {} {sz %s} {sz -ay %s} rz {rz -a} --- snip --- (connect stuff) send file1.txt sleep 2 exit 0 -------- This is what I get when sending the file... Begin Xfer file1.txtRetry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for file1.txt 0 ZMODEM A serial connection might still be active on /dev/ser2. OK to exit? ok I know what the active serial connection warning is, but Is the pathname nak local or is that from the remote ? Is there a switch to ignore it? -Glenn Sherman From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 22 16:41:40 EDT 2001 Article: 12476 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: zmodem problem Date: 22 May 2001 20:41:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9eeitl$flc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990564085 16044 128.59.39.2 (22 May 2001 20:41:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 20:41:25 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12476 In article , Glenn Sherman wrote: : I know this is a zmodem problem, but I thought someone might have dealt with : this already. : : I have a kermit script that dials up to send a file. : The server only receives zmodem transfers. : ... : set protocol zmodem {} {} {sz %s} {sz -ay %s} rz {rz -a} : send file1.txt : exit 0 : : This is what I get when sending the file... : : Begin Xfer file1.txtRetry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for file1.txt : 0 ZMODEM A serial connection might still be active on /dev/ser2. : OK to exit? ok : : I know what the active serial connection warning is... : In case others don't, it's because the SEND command completed, and the next command is EXIT. Normally you'd want to put IF FAIL after the SEND command so you could take some kind of error recovery or notification action. : but Is the pathname nak local or is that from the remote ? : I believe it's local. Zmodem is sending a file, and I think the Zmodem protocol wants the receiver to send a NAK as a means of telling the sender it's OK to send the filename. But it's not getting it. C-Kermit knows nothing about any of this -- it simply runs your sz program as an external protocol, with its standard i/o redirected to the communications connection. The most likely explanation is your version of Zmodem does not use standard i/o for file transfer. In that case, you'll have to find another version that does. - Frank From dold@07.usenet.us.com Wed May 23 11:29:17 EDT 2001 Article: 12477 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ord2-feed1.news.digex.net!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@07.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on Solaris 7? Date: 23 May 2001 01:54:09 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9ef581$ksl$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9ecdqb$ppp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12477 In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Frank da Cruz wrote: : I'm getting some strange reports about C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on : Solaris 7 (and 8). Has anybody used it successfully? I'm : interested particularly in two areas: : 1. After a file transfer, in which the fullscreen (curses) : file transfer display was used, do subsequent commands C-Kermit 7.1.199 Alpha.04, 1 Apr 2001, for Solaris 7 built with "make solaris7g" connecting between two Solaris 7 boxes. on the far end, at a ksh prompt: kermit, rec, ctrl-\,c send something. Fullscreen display looks fine, "statistics" looks right immediately after. kermit, send something works fine. : 2. Can you "set line" to a serial port and dial out? no modems, although I could hook one up. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 23 12:19:00 EDT 2001 Article: 12478 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86 Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on Solaris 7? Date: 23 May 2001 16:18:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 84 Message-ID: <9egnth$l9d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ecdqb$ppp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9ef581$ksl$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990634737 21805 128.59.39.2 (23 May 2001 16:18:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 2001 16:18:57 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12478 comp.unix.solaris:327980 alt.solaris.x86:53340 In article <9ef581$ksl$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : In comp.protocols.kermit.misc : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : I'm getting some strange reports about C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on : : Solaris 7 (and 8). Has anybody used it successfully? I'm : : interested particularly in two areas: : : : : 1. After a file transfer, in which the fullscreen (curses) : : file transfer display was used, do subsequent commands : : still echo normally? : : C-Kermit 7.1.199 Alpha.04, 1 Apr 2001, for Solaris 7 : built with "make solaris7g" : connecting between two Solaris 7 boxes. : on the far end, at a ksh prompt: : kermit, rec, ctrl-\,c send something. : Fullscreen display looks fine, "statistics" looks right immediately after. : kermit, send something. works fine. : It works fine for me too, with: Solaris Connection Version Hardware Type ------------------------------ 2.5.1 Sparc Telnet 2.6 PC Telnet 2.6 PC Dialout 7 Sparc Telnet 8 Sparc Telnet Yet I have a user who reports consistent loss of echoing after the fullscreen file-transfer display on Solaris 8 Sparc built with gcc 2.95.3. On the same platform, but with a binary built with gcc 2.95.2, there is no problem. So the questions are: . Is it a difference between the two gcc versions? . Is there an "alternative" curses library in play (ncurses?). Curses libraries are notorious for altering the buffering of stdin/out when curses is activated, and then not restoring it afterwards. Can anybody else reproduce these symptoms? Make a connection, transfer a file, and then see if commands echo normally afterwards, '?' still gives help, etc. : : 2. Can you "set line" to a serial port and dial out? : : no modems, although I could hook one up. : If somebody could please try this on Solaris 7 and/or 8, I'd appreciate it. I dialed out at 115200 bps with no problems from Solaris 2.6 on a PC, using RTS/CTS flow control, and transferred large files in both directions. I verified that RTS/CTS works correctly. When sending a file from the PC, the CTS and TxD lights went on and off in lockstep, and no errors occurred at the Kermit packet level. I have one user who reports consistent problems with Kermit "locking up" when trying to use a "Spiff" (serial port expander) port to dial out from Solaris 7 on a Sparc. Sometimes it works, but when it doesn't, the port is hung (unusable by any application, including tip and cu) until the machine is rebooted. The same user reports differences among the different Kermit versions on the same machine. On the ports that are not hung, C-Kermit 6.0 and 7.0 work, but 7.1 does not. For Solaris, the main difference between 7.0 and 7.1 is that 7.1 uses the "POSIX" RTS/CTS API (tcsetattr()), whereas 7.0 and earlier use the old SVR4 CRTSCTS ioctl(), which reportedly did not work at all at runtime, even though the API calls were accepted without complaint. That's what I know so far. So the questions are: . Is the behavior different between Solaris 2.6 and Solaris 7? . Is the behavior different between Sparc and Intel? . Is the behavior different between built-ports and expander ports? Finally, while researching this, I discovered that C-Kermit for Solaris on Intel did not use C-Kermit's "large memory model" -- this is a holdover from the days when PCs were toys and Sparcs were real computers (nowadays, PCs are still still toys, but they're big toys :-). I'll correct that in the final 7.1 release. - Frank From dold@07.usenet.us.com Thu May 24 09:11:04 EDT 2001 Article: 12480 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!news.dra.com!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@07.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86 Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on Solaris 7? Date: 24 May 2001 00:58:03 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9ehmar$6to$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9ecdqb$ppp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9ef581$ksl$1@samba.rahul.net> <9egnth$l9d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12480 comp.unix.solaris:328099 alt.solaris.x86:53367 : In article <9ef581$ksl$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : C-Kermit 7.1.199 Alpha.04, 1 Apr 2001, for Solaris 7 Mine is "gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)", and works correctly. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 24 09:11:07 EDT 2001 Article: 12481 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86 Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.1 Beta.01 on Solaris 7? Date: 24 May 2001 13:11:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9ej19e$90i$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ecdqb$ppp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9ef581$ksl$1@samba.rahul.net> <9egnth$l9d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9ehmar$6to$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990709870 9234 128.59.39.2 (24 May 2001 13:11:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2001 13:11:10 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12481 comp.unix.solaris:328166 alt.solaris.x86:53390 In article <9ehmar$6to$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : In article <9ef581$ksl$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : : C-Kermit 7.1.199 Alpha.04, 1 Apr 2001, for Solaris 7 : : Mine is "gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)", and works correctly. : I tracked down the loss-of-echoing-after-curses-display in Solaris 8 yesterday. It turns out to be a pair of mutually reinforcing mistakes in the Kermit code, which for some unknown reason have no affect in earlier Solaris releases. It's fixed for the final 7.1 release. I still have to check the reported serial-port / dialing problems in Solaris 8. - Frank From gsherman@remove_this.m20.net Thu May 24 13:57:25 EDT 2001 Article: 12482 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Glenn Sherman" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9eeitl$flc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: zmodem problem Lines: 59 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:12:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.177.30.247 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 990724377 216.177.30.247 (Thu, 24 May 2001 13:12:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:12:57 EDT Organization: metro2000 (metro2000.net) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12482 "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:9eeitl$flc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article , > Glenn Sherman wrote: > : Begin Xfer file1.txtRetry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for file1.txt > : 0 ZMODEM A serial connection might still be active on /dev/ser2. > : OK to exit? ok > : I know what the active serial connection warning is... > : > In case others don't, it's because the SEND command completed, and the > next command is EXIT. Normally you'd want to put IF FAIL after the SEND > command so you could take some kind of error recovery or notification > action. > > - Frank OK, I thought I could fix the active serial connection message, but... ----- here is part of my script ------------------------------------ input 20 OTTI.PCS ; get transmit prompt if fail exit 1 No transmit prompt sleep 2 cd /tmp send perrotti.pcs ; send price file if fail exit 1 Couldn't send file sleep 2 echo echo Hanging up the modem connection... hangup sleep 10 echo Exiting the script! exit 0 ----- here are the results --------------------------------------- Begin Xfer PERROTTI.PCSRetry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for perrotti.pcs 0 ZMODEM Hanging up the modem connection... Exiting the script! A serial connection might still be active on /dev/ser2. OK to exit? ok # --------------------------- The receiving computer is waiting for another file to be sent using zmodem. I do not have the second file to send, and their instructions say that I can just disconnect after the first file is sent. --------------------------- Is hangup the right command to use? Should I be waiting longer? any ideas? -Glenn Sherman From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 24 13:57:29 EDT 2001 Article: 12483 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: zmodem problem Date: 24 May 2001 17:57:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 80 Message-ID: <9eji20$kjo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9eeitl$flc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990727040 21112 128.59.39.2 (24 May 2001 17:57:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2001 17:57:20 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12483 In article , Glenn Sherman wrote: : "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message : news:9eeitl$flc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... : > In article , : > Glenn Sherman wrote: : > : Begin Xfer file1.txtRetry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for file1.txt : > : 0 ZMODEM A serial connection might still be active on /dev/ser2. : > : OK to exit? ok : > : I know what the active serial connection warning is... : > : : > In case others don't, it's because the SEND command completed, and the : > next command is EXIT. Normally you'd want to put IF FAIL after the SEND : > command so you could take some kind of error recovery or notification : > action. : : OK, I thought I could fix the active serial connection message, but... : : ----- here is part of my script ------------------------------------ : input 20 OTTI.PCS ; get transmit prompt : if fail exit 1 No transmit prompt : : sleep 2 : cd /tmp : send perrotti.pcs ; send price file : if fail exit 1 Couldn't send file : : sleep 2 : echo : echo Hanging up the modem connection... : hangup : sleep 10 : echo Exiting the script! : exit 0 : : ----- here are the results --------------------------------------- : Begin Xfer PERROTTI.PCSRetry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for perrotti.pcs : 0 ZMODEM : Hanging up the modem connection... : Exiting the script! : A serial connection might still be active on /dev/ser2. : OK to exit? ok : # : --------------------------- : The receiving computer is waiting for another file to be sent using zmodem. : I do not have the second file to send, and their instructions say that I can : just disconnect after the first file is sent. : --------------------------- : : Is hangup the right command to use? Should I be waiting longer? : It's the right command to use. It tells the modem to hang up the phone. If the modem is configured correctly, it should respond to the HANGUP command by (a) hanging up the phone, and (b) turning off its CD (Carrier Detect) signal. But (b) is not happening, which is why Kermit is giving you the warning. Why is (b) not happening? . Because (a) is not happening; or: . Because the modem is configured to keep CD On all the time; or: . (not likely) Because you have CD and DTR jumpered in your modem cable; or: . Because the operating system is reporting CD On when it's really Off. The main thing is to make sure the phone connection is really being hung up. If it isn't, you could get a big phone bill. Some useful Kermit commands: SET DIAL DISPLAY ON Shows interactions between Kermit and the modem. SHOW COMMUNICATIONS Displays the current modem signals. SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD { RS232, MODEM-COMMAND } Chooses which technique is to be used for hanging up the modem. If you're sure the modem is being hung up, but you're still getting the "OK to exit?" question, you can get rid of it with: SET EXIT WARNING OFF - Frank From dkcombs@panix.com Fri May 25 09:55:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12486 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit-connection + kermit -s + error-count: NOT redialing-in? Date: 25 May 2001 04:55:26 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 98 Message-ID: <9el6lu$441$1@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 990780926 20558 166.84.0.227 (25 May 2001 08:55:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 2001 08:55:26 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12486 Frank: I have a sparc5/solaris7 with kermit; using kermit I dial into Panix.com (uses netbsd on PCs). Fine. I login, run tcsh, etc. NOW, I want to download (to my sun) a big file. Actually, due to problems with binary mode, I take the .tar.gz and uuencode it and then (because of downloading problems on this panix system I'm using, or due to the interface I have incorrectly set up), I "split -l1000 foo.tar.gz.uue zz", resulting in maybe 30 zzaa zzab ... files to download. I run kermit -s `cat zz*` (actually, `cat t.nam`) and depending on time of day or something I don't understand, it will do several zz-files and then get hung there, slowly incrementing the error-count. NOTE that I am using kermit for the initial connection itself, and then (on my shell acct on panix) I run *their* kermit -s to download. I am not sure just what is going on, whether there is one or two kermits running, or what. BUT -- here is the problem: That panix-kermmit -s; it starts generating ERRORS. Slowly. (Rarely, very rarely, after several errors, it somehow cleans itself up and quickly finishes the download.) --- Anyway, now I want to STOP that (second) kermit (the one I started on panix, with the -s `cat t.nam`). Hell, I'd like to KILL that job -- and then get back to the tcsh prompt ON PANIX, and then rerun that kermit -s ... -- NOT TOUCHING THE KERMIT RUNNING ON MY SPARC5! --- PROBLEM: that seems IMPOSSIBLE. The ONLY way to kill that panix-kermit is, I think so far, is that control-\ c: (1) it is by no means "instant". (2) (of course) it gets me back to the SUN-KERMIT prompt -- from which I have not yet found anything to do other than "readial". QUESTION: is there any way to make kermit die ON PANIX, so I can just rerun it? ---- QUESTION: any way to set the limit on the errors, and if so, will THAT make the panix-kermit die but keep me logged into panix, at a shell prompt there? QUESTION: where in c-kermit book is the list of "options" ("switches") -- can't find them in the index. QUESTION: I have been posting here in confusion about the panix netbsd and my difficulties (a) staying connected, and (b) downloading (binary fails TOTALLY for me). (this all worked FINE when I was using netcom.com's shell-accounts -- THEY used SUN-HARDWARE and SUNOS -- (and I had a sun). OFFER: If you'd like, I would be DELIGHTED to give you may password for logging into panix, and then YOU could figure out what is going wrong. If interested, just contact me: 913-632-1883, or dkcombs@panix.com. Thanks so much, Frank! David combs. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 25 09:55:40 EDT 2001 Article: 12487 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit-connection + kermit -s + error-count: NOT redialing-in? Date: 25 May 2001 13:55:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 128 Message-ID: <9elo8u$oa5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9el6lu$441$1@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990798942 24901 128.59.39.2 (25 May 2001 13:55:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 2001 13:55:42 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12487 In article <9el6lu$441$1@panix2.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : I have a sparc5/solaris7 with kermit; using kermit : What version? : I dial into Panix.com (uses netbsd on PCs). : Fine. I login, run tcsh, etc. : NOW, I want to download (to my sun) a big file. : Actually, due to problems with binary mode... : Why should there be a problem with binary mode? Kermit is perfectly capable of transferring binary files over any kind of connection, including 7-bits-with-parity, and/or through terminal servers or other devices that are not fully transparent. You might have to use one or both of the following commands: set parity space set prefixing all : ...I take the .tar.gz and uuencode it and : then (because of downloading problems on : this panix system I'm using, or due to the : interface I have incorrectly set up), : I "split -l1000 foo.tar.gz.uue zz", : There should be no need for that either. Kermit can transfer big files. If you get disconnected in the middle, you can resume where you left off: resend : resulting in maybe 30 zzaa zzab ... files to download. : : I run kermit -s `cat zz*` (actually, `cat t.nam`) : and depending on time of day or something I don't : understand, it will do several zz-files and then : get hung there, slowly incrementing the error-count. : : NOTE that I am using kermit for the initial : connection itself, and then (on my shell acct : on panix) I run *their* kermit -s to download. : What version of Kermit is on Panix? And Panix is now running what OS? NetBSD? What version? : I am not sure just what is going on, whether : there is one or two kermits running, or what. : : BUT -- here is the problem: : : That panix-kermmit -s; it starts generating ERRORS. : What kind of errors? What messages do you see? : Slowly. : : (Rarely, very rarely, after several errors, it : somehow cleans itself up and quickly finishes : the download.) : : Anyway, now I want to STOP that (second) kermit (the : one I started on panix, with the -s `cat t.nam`). : : Hell, I'd like to KILL that job -- and then : get back to the tcsh prompt ON PANIX, and : then rerun that kermit -s ... -- : : NOT TOUCHING THE KERMIT RUNNING ON MY SPARC5! : : PROBLEM: that seems IMPOSSIBLE. : There are many ways to to it: 1. While the file transfer is in progress and the file-transfer display is active on your screen, just press the E key. That should stop Kermit on the far end and put the local Kermit back at the prompt. 2. If (1) doesn't work, stop the transfer with Ctrl-C, then CONNECT, then type three (3) Ctrl-C's in a row to stop the remote Kermit. : QUESTION: any way to set the limit on the errors... : Yes: set retry-limit 3 ; or other desired number : ... and : if so, will THAT make the panix-kermit die but : keep me logged into panix, at a shell prompt there? : The above command should do it. : QUESTION: where in c-kermit book is the list : of "options" ("switches") -- can't find them : in the index. : You mean command-line options? In Appendix I, p.461. The fact that you have so much trouble transferring files with Panix suggests that the modem and port on the Panix end are not configured right. What is the Panix modem connected to? A terminal server? A serial port on the computer? In any case, the port has to be configured for RTS/CTS hardware flow control, and so does the answering modem. Also the modem has to be configured for answering -- no messages, no sensitivity to +++ or any other characters, 8 data bits no parity, and so on. I realize you have no control over that. If the Panix side does not have hardware flow control enabled, maybe you can work around it by using software flow control: set flow xon/xoff There's a whole chapter in the book about solving file-transfer problems. The nice thing about Kermit is that it has settings to let you work around almost any conceivable misconfiguration or connection problem. - Frank From smartsys@wf.net Fri May 25 19:21:01 EDT 2001 Article: 12488 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Ricky Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: graphic Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:08:17 -0500 Organization: Computer Services Message-ID: <3B0EE5E1.55B0820C@wf.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SCO_SV 3.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12488 I want to use kermit to dial-in-to my customers. All the machines are pc's running sco unix 5.0.5. I have succesfully dialed in but when I run my app. I have no ascii graphic characters. You know all the bars and lines. Does c-kermit support ascii graphic characters? From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 25 19:21:03 EDT 2001 Article: 12489 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: graphic Date: 25 May 2001 23:20:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9empco$hep$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B0EE5E1.55B0820C@wf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 990832856 17881 128.59.39.2 (25 May 2001 23:20:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 2001 23:20:56 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12489 In article <3B0EE5E1.55B0820C@wf.net>, Ricky wrote: : I want to use kermit to dial-in-to my customers. All the machines are : pc's running sco unix 5.0.5. : I have succesfully dialed in but when I run my app. I have no ascii : graphic characters. You know all the bars : and lines. Does c-kermit support ascii graphic characters? : Of course, but picky people would point out that the lines and bars are not part of ASCII. Here is ASCII: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets/ascii.txt The lines and bars come in one of two ways: (a) the host and the terminal emulator agree to use a PC code page instead of a standards-conforming character set, or (b) the host and terminal emulator use a standard ISO 2022 character-set switching technique. If you select the appropriate terminal emulation and inform the host of it, all should be well. But unfortunately there's an additional twist to the SCO situation, which is explained here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95bugs.html#b253 - Frank From dastow@vcn.bc.ca Tue May 29 11:32:36 EDT 2001 Article: 12495 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp-new.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!nntp.itservices.ubc.ca!news.vcn.bc.ca!not-for-mail From: David Stow Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit with SunOS 5.8 Date: 29 May 2001 14:39:00 GMT Organization: Vancouver CommunityNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9f0ca4$il1$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vcn.bc.ca X-Trace: sylvester.vcn.bc.ca 991147140 19105 207.102.64.2 (29 May 2001 14:39:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: sys-admin@vcn.bc.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2001 14:39:00 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.5-20010409 ("One More Nightmare") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4u)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12495 The system where I have my account has always had a copy of CKermit available in /usr/local/bin/ckermit, where it was used by the Lynx downloader command. After a recent upgrade to SunOS 5.8, CKermit disappeared from /usr/local/bin/. Is Kermit no longer part of the standard SunOS distribution? -- From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 29 11:33:42 EDT 2001 Article: 12496 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit with SunOS 5.8 Date: 29 May 2001 15:33:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9f0fgo$ji2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9f0ca4$il1$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 991150424 20034 128.59.39.2 (29 May 2001 15:33:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2001 15:33:44 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12496 In article <9f0ca4$il1$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : The system where I have my account has always had a copy of CKermit : available in /usr/local/bin/ckermit, where it was used by the Lynx : downloader command. After a recent upgrade to SunOS 5.8, CKermit : disappeared from /usr/local/bin/. Is Kermit no longer part of the : standard SunOS distribution? : C-Kermit was never part of the standard SunOS (or Solaris) distribution. It comes from: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html - Frank From alweston@netcene.com.NOSPAM Thu May 31 14:26:37 EDT 2001 Article: 12497 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail From: Al Weston Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Receive Errors moving from Kermit 6 to Kermit 7 Date: 31 May 2001 13:08:08 -0500 Organization: H.O. Systems, Inc. Lines: 81 Message-ID: Reply-To: alweston@netcene.com.NOSPAM X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12497 I'm having a problem moving from Kermit 6 to Kermit 7. I have a script that uses kermit to retrieve a file from a dialup server running something called Data Express on a Tandem system. Getting more info on the sending system is like pulling teeth. They don't seem to know what they have. The script was built for Kermit 6.0.192 running on SCO OpenServer 5.0.5, and it works just fine on this platform. But the same script when run under Kermit 7.0.196 on AIX 4.3.3 fails every time with an error message of "Refused, format" during the transfer. I can connect, login, etc., just fine, but once the file transfer begins, I get the same error every time. The file I'm retrieving is a plain text file. It's the same kind of modem (Hayes Optima) on both systems, and the serial port settings are the same (8N1, 19200). I can't find anything that explains this error message, but after digging through much of the Kermit documentation, it appears that are many differences in Kermit 7's default behaviors. I'm guessing that one of these differences is causing me problems. If that's the case, then I need to understand how to make Kermit 7 behave like Kermit 6. Here's what the script looks like: ; ; define \%u stuff deleted... define \%s 20 ; Time for pause between redials define \%n 1234567 ; Phone number set port /dev/tty1 ; Communications port set modem hayes-high-speed ; Modem type set modem command init-string at\n0%c0\13 set exit warning off set prefixing all set terminal autodownload off set terminal apc off set file type binary ; File transfer mode must be binary set send packet-length 94 set receive packet-length 500 set block-check 3 set buffers 280000 280000 set window 4 set input timeout quit ; (to keep the script program short) set receive timeout 20 set count 3 ; Try up to 3 times goto nomsg ; Skip message the first time :LOOP ; Come here to redial hangup ; Give the phone line a rest echo CONNECTION BROKEN. echo Pausing for \%s seconds... sleep \%s Echo redialing... :NOMSG dial \%n ; Dial the phone number if failure goto AGAIN ; Keep trying input 20 LOGDX: ; Get First name prompt output \%u\13 ; Send Login Stream kermit -r ; kermit -r(ecieve) on remote system if success goto DONE ; = file is completely transferred else goto FAILED :AGAIN if count goto loop ; Otherwise, try again. Stop 1 Too many tries. ; Too many tries, give up. :FAILED echo File not transferred, try again. pause 6 hangup Exit :DONE echo File transferred OK ; Success, give message pause 5 ; Give it time... hangup ; Hang up Exit From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 31 14:26:40 EDT 2001 Article: 12498 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receive Errors moving from Kermit 6 to Kermit 7 Date: 31 May 2001 18:26:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <9f62d8$a4e$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 991333608 10382 128.59.39.2 (31 May 2001 18:26:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2001 18:26:48 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12498 In article , Al Weston wrote: : I'm having a problem moving from Kermit 6 to Kermit 7. I have a script : that uses kermit to retrieve a file from a dialup server running : something called Data Express on a Tandem system. Getting more info on : the sending system is like pulling teeth. They don't seem to know what : they have. : : The script was built for Kermit 6.0.192 running on SCO OpenServer : 5.0.5, and it works just fine on this platform. But the same script : when run under Kermit 7.0.196 on AIX 4.3.3 fails every time with an : error message of "Refused, format" during the transfer. : So you are changing two things at once -- the platform and the Kermit version. Usually it's better (though not always possible) to change one thing at a time. : I can connect, : login, etc., just fine, but once the file transfer begins, I get the : same error every time. The file I'm retrieving is a plain text file. : It's the same kind of modem (Hayes Optima) on both systems, and the : serial port settings are the same (8N1, 19200). : I've heard of this error before. The Tandem Kermit (one that is not known to us) is sending an unknown record-format announcer. Here is packet log from a similar report: r-xx-18-^M s-00-18-^A# N3^M r-00-20-^A0 S~& @-#Y3~.##M%^M s-00-20-^A9 Y~2 @-#Y3~^>J)0___F"U1@H^M r-01-00-^A-!FF0008938+B:^M s-01-00-^A2!Yachcredit.txt&03^M r-02-01-^AQ"A!!8"!A#120010403 11:42:03*!A."M5/$AM961$8192)(O^M The attribute packet contains: !!8 = Length in K = 8 "!A = Text mode #120010403 11:42:03 = File date *!A = Text encoding is ASCII ."M5 = OS is Tandem Nonstop /$AM96 = Record format is ????? 1$8192 = Length in bytes = 8192 AM96 is not a valid record format. Since you can't control the Tandem end, the workaround is to tell C-Kermit to: set attributes off which makes Kermit ignore the Attribute packet that contains the invalid record-format code. - Frank From alweston@netcene.com.NOSPAM Thu May 31 18:59:41 EDT 2001 Article: 12499 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail From: Al Weston Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receive Errors moving from Kermit 6 to Kermit 7 Date: 31 May 2001 17:09:16 -0500 Organization: H.O. Systems, Inc. Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <9f62d8$a4e$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: alweston@netcene.com.NOSPAM X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12499 That did it! Thanks :) On 31 May 2001 18:26:48 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article , >Al Weston wrote: >: I'm having a problem moving from Kermit 6 to Kermit 7. I have a script >: that uses kermit to retrieve a file from a dialup server running >: something called Data Express on a Tandem system. Getting more info on >: the sending system is like pulling teeth. They don't seem to know what >: they have. >: >: The script was built for Kermit 6.0.192 running on SCO OpenServer >: 5.0.5, and it works just fine on this platform. But the same script >: when run under Kermit 7.0.196 on AIX 4.3.3 fails every time with an >: error message of "Refused, format" during the transfer. >: >So you are changing two things at once -- the platform and the Kermit >version. Usually it's better (though not always possible) to change one >thing at a time. > >: I can connect, >: login, etc., just fine, but once the file transfer begins, I get the >: same error every time. The file I'm retrieving is a plain text file. >: It's the same kind of modem (Hayes Optima) on both systems, and the >: serial port settings are the same (8N1, 19200). >: >I've heard of this error before. The Tandem Kermit (one that is not >known to us) is sending an unknown record-format announcer. Here is >packet log from a similar report: > > r-xx-18-^M > s-00-18-^A# N3^M > r-00-20-^A0 S~& @-#Y3~.##M%^M > s-00-20-^A9 Y~2 @-#Y3~^>J)0___F"U1@H^M > r-01-00-^A-!FF0008938+B:^M > s-01-00-^A2!Yachcredit.txt&03^M > r-02-01-^AQ"A!!8"!A#120010403 11:42:03*!A."M5/$AM961$8192)(O^M > >The attribute packet contains: > > !!8 = Length in K = 8 > "!A = Text mode > #120010403 11:42:03 = File date > *!A = Text encoding is ASCII > ."M5 = OS is Tandem Nonstop > /$AM96 = Record format is ????? > 1$8192 = Length in bytes = 8192 > >AM96 is not a valid record format. Since you can't control the Tandem end, >the workaround is to tell C-Kermit to: > > set attributes off > >which makes Kermit ignore the Attribute packet that contains the invalid >record-format code. > >- Frank From cstranslations@email.msn.com Fri Jun 1 09:53:04 EDT 2001 Article: 12500 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "cstranslations" Subject: OpenVMS/Windows scripts Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:02:14 -0700 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc NNTP-Posting-Host: 03-146.076.popsite.net 64.24.211.146 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12500 I recently stumbled across the info at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and I'm getting the impression that there's some rather advanced scripting capabilities available in C-Kermit and Kermit95. I have C-Kermit 7.0 running under OpenVMS 7.2-1 and just received (well yesterday) and installed Kermit95 on a PC running Windows98. I haven't purchased the book yet as I was hoping to get some where in trying to set things up. At the moment all I am is lost in a heap of information. I've never used kermit before. The immediate goal is to take a file on the OpenVMS system and transfer it to the PC. Once the file is on the PC run PGP (command line version) to encrypt the file. At that point FTP the file to another location. From the heap of info I'm lost in at the moment it seems like running Kermit95 on the PC (minimized) to accept a connection via a script running on OpenVMS to accomplish this is possible. I spent several hours last night going round in circles. Is this doable??? Any help/suggestions/examples greatly appreciated. TIA, Joe From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 1 09:53:08 EDT 2001 Article: 12501 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Windows scripts Date: 1 Jun 2001 13:53:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9f86o1$f33$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 991403585 15459 128.59.39.2 (1 Jun 2001 13:53:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2001 13:53:05 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12501 In article , cstranslations wrote: : I recently stumbled across the info at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and : I'm getting the impression that there's some rather advanced scripting : capabilities available in C-Kermit and Kermit95. : Yes, you can see lots of examples here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html : I have C-Kermit 7.0 running : under OpenVMS 7.2-1 and just received (well yesterday) and installed : Kermit95 on a PC running Windows98. I haven't purchased the book yet... : It's in your Kermit 95 distribution as a PDF file. : ... as I : was hoping to get some where in trying to set things up. At the moment all I : am is lost in a heap of information. : : I've never used kermit before. : : The immediate goal is to take a file on the OpenVMS system and transfer it : to the PC. Once the file is on the PC run PGP (command line version) to : encrypt the file. At that point FTP the file to another location. From the : heap of info I'm lost in at the moment it seems like running Kermit95 on the : PC (minimized) to accept a connection via a script running on OpenVMS to : accomplish this is possible. I spent several hours last night going round in : circles. Is this doable??? : Yes, but it's always harder to make a connection TO Windows than FROM Windows, because Windows, unlike VMS or UNIX, is not designed to accept logins from outside. But it can be done. The first question is: What kind of connection are you making from VMS to Windows? Direct serial, dialed, Telnet, ...? - Frank From Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] Sat Jun 2 13:06:21 EDT 2001 Article: 12502 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp-new.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!hub1.nntpserver.com!news-in.nibble.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: 2 Jun 2001 01:43:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20010602084325.23110.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Jun 2001 08:43:25 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Author-Address: leganii surfree com Cc: screen@uni-erlangen.de, cespedes@debian.org, scoug-programming@scoug.com, scoug-general@scoug.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.2.3 Subject: Smashing through Screen with Kermit X-Sent-From: leganii@surfree.com Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 159 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12502 As an intermediate step to getting them ethernetted, I finally got my OS/2 and Debian boxes connected over a Null-modem cable. I figure that being able to twiddle configuration settings and reboot them sitting at one console has to simplify the process for one who has a lot to learn about networking. Until I have Ethernet going the serial connection provides a working 'out-of-band' connection. How hard can it be to network the computers if they are already networked? This is more functional than a lot might think having 'screen', a full screen 'window manager' running on the Debian box, enabling multiple sessions with one login, split screens, scrollback, cut and paste, etc. from a text interface. There are only two disadvantage to this that I know so far. 1) You can't take advantage of recent releases of Lynx, W3M, and other text mode browsers to view images with viewers like zgv. 2) The very first thing brought up in the screen FAQ is 'Why can't I transfer files with Kermit while screen is running?'. The answer given, that you can't, is true only for the case where you give up without analyzing the problem and determining how Kermit transfer has to be configured to work. Yes, over a simple serial connection you are restricted to leaving other screen managed sessions to themselves while the transfer goes on, but for me that is more convienient than having to shutdown screen. (I find it so usefull I 'exec screen -R' at the end my bash_profile file so that it is always running when I login.) First add this line to /etc/inittab on the Debian machine to allow loggin in on port 'com2'/ttyS1: T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 57600 vt100 (You might also want to experiment with Lilo and/or GRUB, which allow control of boot-up over serial connections, but that might be for another write up.) The following script, run with Kermit/2 from the OS/2 end sets up C-Kermit on the Debian machine into server mode and sets both so that file transfers happen. The two external modem connection cables I'm using, spliced together with gender menders and null modem adaptors is kind of long (the PCs are in different rooms), and runs past some wire nests, and I'm not certain about shielding, so I found setting the allowed errors higher than the default seemed needed. For a 36K file about 16 errors happened during transfer, so my setting is excessive, but does the trick. Without the settings of this script the transfer seemed to lockup, as the screen FAQ indicated. (If anyone knows any improvements, feel free to contact me.) # Screen Smasher # ( To 'Smash through Screen with file transfers' ) # # for setting up kermit server # at the other end to penetrate a # connection where the UNIX session manager # 'screen' is also running at the other end, # without having to shutdown 'screen'. # # D.E. Legan 26/05/2001 # set this, last character of the remote prompt, # in one place, so it can easily be changed for # different circumstances: define rprompt {>} # first do as I *do*, not just as I *say*, # set these things locally on OS/2 Kermit/2: set prefixing all set send timeout 1 fixed set receive timeout 1 set send start-of-packet 65 set receive start-of-packet 65 set transfer locking-shift on set retry 500 # .... nothing succeeds like excess! :bangaway # First, make an attempt to make sure kermit is actually running # on the other end. This seems to do no harm if it already is. # Although I actually have never used it for such, the help # for C-Kermit indicates that the 'kermit' command issued # at the kermit prompt serves to set command line switches # after it has already been started. Here, if the other end # is still at the shell prompt, it starts kermit. # If kermit is already running, as already mentioned, it does no harm. output kermit\13 input 5 \m(rprompt) if failure goto bangaway # This next command causes all non-visable, or non-standard # bytes to be prefixed to be a standard ASCII character. # While differing in specific details, in essence it can # be likened to uuencoding or MIME base-64 encoding on # the fly, allowing only standard, visable ASCII characters # and carriage returns over the connection. # Surely these will not interfere with 'screen''s operation! :-) output set prefixing all\13 input 5 \m(rprompt) if failure goto bangaway output set send timeout 1 fixed\13 input 5 \m(rprompt) if failure goto bangaway output set receive timeout 1\13 input 5 \m(rprompt) if failure goto bangaway # Now set the start of packet character to simply the letter 'A': output set send start-of-packet 65\13 input 5 \m(rprompt) if failure goto bangaway output set receive start-of-packet 65\13 input 5 \m(rprompt) if failure goto bangaway # According to 'Using C-Kermit', the following is almost never bad, # so.... output set transfer locking-shift on\13 input 5 \m(rprompt) if failure goto bangaway output set retry 500\13 input 5 \m(rprompt) if failure goto bangaway # When developing this script, overlooked that this next one would # have a different response than just the remote prompt, # and thought that some how the local OS/2 machine was # being put into server mode when 'kermit ready to serve...' # was echoed on the local screen and then it locked up in an # infinit loop. output server\13 input 5 kermit ready to serve... if failure goto bangaway # now see what you can do: remote help Regards, Dallas E. Legan II / leganii@surfree.com / dallasii@kincyb.com Powered by......Lynx, the Internet at hyperkinetic speed. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jun 2 13:06:25 EDT 2001 Article: 12503 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Smashing through Screen with Kermit Date: 2 Jun 2001 17:06:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <9fb6em$jn5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <20010602084325.23110.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 991501590 20197 128.59.39.2 (2 Jun 2001 17:06:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2001 17:06:30 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12503 In article <20010602084325.23110.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net>, (Dallas E. Legan II) wrote: : ... : 2) The very first thing brought up in the screen FAQ is : 'Why can't I transfer files with Kermit while screen is running?'. : Which, as you point out, is a false premise. It would be a true premise for XMODEM, YMODEM, or ZMODEM, however. This is exactly the kind of situation for which Kermit was designed: nontransparent, noisy, lossy, and/or 7-bit connections. The ckubwr.txt file includes the following in Section 4, General UNIX-Specific Hints, Limitations, and Bugs: C-Kermit file transfers will probably not work if attemped through the "splitvt" or GNU "screen" programs because the screen optimization (or at least, line wrapping, control-character absorption) done by this package interferes with Kermit's packets. The same can apply to any other environment in which the user's session is captured, monitored, recorded, or manipulated. Examples include the 'script' program (for making a typescript of a session), the Computronics PEEK package and pksh (at least versions of it prior to 1.9K), and so on. You might try the following -- what we call "doomsday Kermit" -- settings to push packets through even the densest and most obstructive connections, such as "screen" and "splitvt" (and certain kinds of 3270 protocol emulators): Give these commands to BOTH Kermit programs: SET FLOW NONE SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 70 SET RECEIVE START 62 SET SEND START 62 SET SEND PAUSE 100 SET BLOCK B If it works, it will be slow. (end quote) By the way, "set block b" (blank-free block check) should be used too, in case a packet block check happens to end with a blank, which could easily be optimized away by programs such as 'screen'. - Frank From xavigonzalvo@eresmas.com Mon Jun 4 12:35:06 EDT 2001 Article: 12504 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: xavigonzalvo@eresmas.com (Xavi Gonzalvo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit protocol in hp48 Date: 4 Jun 2001 07:22:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <66df79eb.0106040622.3b3fdc92@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.175.80.59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991664539 19582 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2001 14:22:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2001 14:22:19 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12504 Hi there!! Well I'm working in my own software to connect a pc with an hp48g+ calculator via rs232 using kermit protocol. I've made half a program which can send files from calculator to pc but I cannot find any information about which frames hp expects to receive when it's in server mode. Anyway thank you very much. Please do not send me to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit or to Frank da Cruz book!! (Great book, anyway). Thanks again From jrd@cc.usu.edu Mon Jun 4 12:35:09 EDT 2001 Article: 12505 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit protocol in hp48 Message-ID: Date: 4 Jun 01 09:41:24 MDT References: <66df79eb.0106040622.3b3fdc92@posting.google.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12505 In article <66df79eb.0106040622.3b3fdc92@posting.google.com>, xavigonzalvo@eresmas.com (Xavi Gonzalvo) writes: > Hi there!! > > Well I'm working in my own software to connect a pc with an hp48g+ > calculator via rs232 using kermit protocol. I've made half a program > which can send files from calculator to pc but I cannot find any > information about which frames hp expects to receive when it's in > server mode. > > Anyway thank you very much. > > Please do not send me to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit or to Frank da > Cruz book!! (Great book, anyway). > > Thanks again ---------- Well, if you prefer to not read the specs book then there is the hard way. You can use MS-DOS Kermit to talk with the HP48 and record (log) all the Kermit packet traffic. CKermit will work fine this way too, depending on your non-HP48 host. Joe D. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 4 12:35:32 EDT 2001 Article: 12506 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro,alt.sys.pdp11,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit or similar for 2.9BSD on a PRO-350 Date: 4 Jun 2001 16:32:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <9fgd7d$nqu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3b1ac33c@herald.canberra.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 991672365 24414 128.59.39.2 (4 Jun 2001 16:32:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2001 16:32:45 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec.micro:11090 alt.sys.pdp11:9875 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12506 In article <3b1ac33c@herald.canberra.edu.au>, Super-User wrote: : I've managed to get the 2.9BSD install from the PUPS archive running on my : PRO-350, I am planning to set up a website at some point to describe the : procedure, as it was a little tricky in points. : : The downside is some of the files got corrupted along the way, including as : & cc, of course I have the original tar files as well which I am planning on : using to build up the missing parts of the distribution. : : Unfortunatly, I have no way of transferring files across to the pro! The : serial link works, but cu doesn't appear to work well enough to get anything : transferred, so I am at a loss on how to get kermit or similar across to the : pro. : : Does anyone have an image of Kermit for the 11/23 on a RX50? Thanks! : Of course we have Kermit images at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ but not on RX50 (at least not unless you can read Rainbow disks). You have two choices: 1. C-Kermit 6.0: Can make outbound serial or telnet connections. Big: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html 2. G-Kermit 1.0: transfers files only over a connection you have made INTO the Pro/350. Small: (2) would be perfect, at least for bootstrapping, as described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html (see the bootstrapping section at the bottom). But unfortunately the only 2.xBSD images I have for either of these programs are based on 2.11BSD. I can't say whether they will work on 2.9. But it's worth a try. If it doesn't pan out, then maybe we can find somebody else who has 2.9BSD to build G-Kermit for it, so we can add the image to our archive. Coincidentally, we adapted 2.9BSD for the Pro/380 here about 1984. I wonder if you have the same code... - Frank From karlm@joshua.canberra.edu.au Tue Jun 5 11:53:05 EDT 2001 Article: 12507 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <3b1c194f@herald.canberra.edu.au> From: Subject: Re: Kermit or similar for 2.9BSD on a PRO-350 Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro,alt.sys.pdp11,comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <3b1ac33c@herald.canberra.edu.au> <9fgd7d$nqu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: joshua.canberra.edu.au Date: 5 Jun 2001 09:27:11 +1000 X-Original-Trace: 5 Jun 2001 09:27:11 +1000, joshua.canberra.edu.au Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.92.97.4 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.92.97.4 X-Trace: clarion.carno.net.au 991697191 137.92.97.4 (5 Jun 2001 09:26:31 +1000) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!clarion.carno.net.au!herald.canberra.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec.micro:11091 alt.sys.pdp11:9877 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12507 In comp.sys.dec.micro Frank da Cruz wrote: > But unfortunately the only 2.xBSD images I have for either of these programs > are based on 2.11BSD. I can't say whether they will work on 2.9. But it's > worth a try. If it doesn't pan out, then maybe we can find somebody else > who has 2.9BSD to build G-Kermit for it, so we can add the image to our > archive. > Coincidentally, we adapted 2.9BSD for the Pro/380 here about 1984. I wonder > if you have the same code... More than likely in fact, this machine was built up on a Ken Wellsch's images in the PUPS archive, I also have 2.11 & 2.9BSD running under an emulator on my Linux box which I am intending to use to build all the relevant tools for the pro, unfortunaly none of them seem to support RX50's :-( If I could find a emulator that supported RX50's i'd probably be able to make this work as well! Regards, Karl From cstranslations@email.msn.com Wed Jun 6 10:35:23 EDT 2001 Article: 12509 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "cstranslations" References: <9f86o1$f33$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Windows scripts Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:44:54 -0700 Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc NNTP-Posting-Host: 03-191.076.popsite.net 64.24.211.191 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12509 "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:9f86o1$f33$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article , > cstranslations wrote: > : I recently stumbled across the info at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and > : I'm getting the impression that there's some rather advanced scripting > : capabilities available in C-Kermit and Kermit95. > : > Yes, you can see lots of examples here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html > > : I have C-Kermit 7.0 running > : under OpenVMS 7.2-1 and just received (well yesterday) and installed > : Kermit95 on a PC running Windows98. I haven't purchased the book yet... > : > It's in your Kermit 95 distribution as a PDF file. I'll have to go back and take another look. What I was looking at seemed to be an abbreviated version of the book (and I seem to remember seeing something some where indicating the book was rather "large" 700+ pages). > Yes, but it's always harder to make a connection TO Windows than FROM Windows, > because Windows, unlike VMS or UNIX, is not designed to accept logins from > outside. But it can be done. > > The first question is: What kind of connection are you making from VMS to > Windows? Direct serial, dialed, Telnet, ...? Telnet from the an alpha 4100 running OpenVMS 7.1-1H1 to a PC running Windows (I believe NT if/when I can get things into production - for testing/development from the alpha to my PC running Windows98). Bob- Yes I received the Kermit and DCL examples you sent after I posted the original "Is there a recent PGP port for OpenVMS in comp.os.vms." The response email I sent to your work address bounced ("unable to connect to destination server" or something to that affect). Kind of lost in all the info... (My apologizes to all for the personal ending). Joe From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 6 10:35:27 EDT 2001 Article: 12510 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Windows scripts Date: 6 Jun 2001 14:35:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <9flf3n$2m2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9f86o1$f33$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 991838135 2754 128.59.39.2 (6 Jun 2001 14:35:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2001 14:35:35 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12510 comp.os.vms:287965 In article , cstranslations wrote: : > : ... just received (well yesterday) and installed : > : Kermit95 on a PC running Windows98. I haven't purchased the book yet... : > : : > It's in your Kermit 95 distribution as a PDF file. : : I'll have to go back and take another look. What I was looking at seemed to : be an abbreviated version of the book (and I seem to remember seeing : something some where indicating the book was rather "large" 700+ pages). : That's "Using C-Kermit" and it is indeed in Kermit 95 directory. If you give the "manual" command at the K-95> prompt, or click on Help->Manual in the Dialer, you get the Kermit 95 manual, which, very near the top, has an Index to Reference Material, where the first item is a link to the "Using C-Kermit" PDF file. : > Yes, but it's always harder to make a connection TO Windows than FROM : > Windows, because Windows, unlike VMS or UNIX, is not designed to accept : > logins from outside. But it can be done. : > : > The first question is: What kind of connection are you making from VMS to : > Windows? Direct serial, dialed, Telnet, ...? : : Telnet from the an alpha 4100 running OpenVMS 7.1-1H1 to a PC running : Windows (I believe NT if/when I can get things into production - for : testing/development from the alpha to my PC running Windows98). : Of course this would be more straightforward in the other direction (make the connection from Windows to VMS, which is already set up to allow Telnet users to come in, log in, and have a regular session). I'm sure you know that Windows does not include a Telnet server (unless you have installed a third-party one). Therefore you have two choices: 1. Tell Kermit 95 to wait for an incoming connection on a specific socket: set host * 3000 and then tell C-Kermit on VMS to "telnet xxx 3000" (where xxx is the hostname of the Windows PC); or: 2. Use Kermit 95 host mode: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95host.html The next release of K95 will offer a third choice, in which K95 itself *is* a Telnet server and shell combined, so incoming connections get the K-95> prompt and can give all the file-management and transfer commands to it, *almost* just like at the PC console. - Frank From mgb@cyberdude.com Sun Jun 10 11:46:15 EDT 2001 Article: 12517 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Barton" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit help with forwarding X11 traffic? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 14:19:25 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 12:21:58 -0600 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12517 I've used ssh, and the sshd deamon, running on the remote system, will assist in forwarding X11 traffic back through the secure connection to my Linux machine. Can kermit be run as a server on the remote system and provide similar functionality? Thanks, Michael From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 10 11:46:52 EDT 2001 Article: 12518 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit help with forwarding X11 traffic? Date: 9 Jun 2001 22:24:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9fu7n3$51d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 992125475 5165 128.59.39.2 (9 Jun 2001 22:24:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2001 22:24:35 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12518 In article , Michael Barton wrote: : I've used ssh, and the sshd deamon, running on the remote system, will : assist in forwarding X11 traffic back through the secure connection to : my Linux machine. : : Can kermit be run as a server on the remote system and provide similar : functionality? : : Thanks, : Michael : : : Yes. Kermit can be used as a Secure Telnet client communicating with a Secure Telnetd which will forward X windows traffic over the secure channel. For a list of secure Telnetd implementations which support X Windows Forwarding see http://www.kermit-project.org/telnetd.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 17 14:19:57 EDT 2001 Article: 12521 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit help with forwarding X11 traffic? Date: 10 Jun 2001 22:59:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9g0u50$5pi$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9fu7n3$51d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 992213984 5938 128.59.39.2 (10 Jun 2001 22:59:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2001 22:59:44 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12521 In article , Michael Barton wrote: : I understand that kermit can be a _client_ in this arrangement, but : that requires a Secure Telnet _server_ on the other end. : : I'm hoping that I can run something (i.e. kermit) from the command : line on the remote end that will enable forwarding of X11 traffic back : to my workstation. : : Is kermit in server mode capable of this? : : Michael Secure Tunneling of arbitrary connections cannot be done with Kermit. Take a look at Stunnel. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From mgb@cyberdude.com Sun Jun 17 14:20:08 EDT 2001 Article: 12523 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Barton" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: My kermit locks up under Linux 7.1 - any suggestions? Lines: 105 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:51:41 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - ReInventing The UseNet Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:41:16 -0600 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12523 I've tried both 7.0 and 7.1 of kermit (cku197 and cku199) - they both exhibit the same behavior under RedHat's Linux 7.1, but both work just fine under Redhat's Linux 6.2 and SGI's Irix 5.3. In all cases, kermit was built using: KFLAGS="-O2 -DTCP_NODELAY -DBIGBUFOK -DNODEBUG -DNOOLDMODEMS" make linux (or irix53) What happens is: I invoke kermit, then use the 'telnet' command to a remote AIX system. I can connnect just fine, and as long as I'm actively using the connection, all seems well. However, if the connection is left idle for an indeterminate period of time (maybe 3 minutes...) then kermit locks up HARD. I can't ctl-C, ctl-\, or enter any sequence of characters that resumes processing. the only thing that works is closing the XTerm window. Perhaps this info on the process will help: perth-root$ cat /proc/1110/maps 08048000-0819a000 r-xp 00000000 03:06 132945 /usr/local/bin/kermit 0819a000-081d6000 rw-p 00151000 03:06 132945 /usr/local/bin/kermit 081d6000-08348000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0 40000000-40016000 r-xp 00000000 03:06 350715 /lib/ld-2.2.2.so 40016000-40017000 rw-p 00015000 03:06 350715 /lib/ld-2.2.2.so 40017000-40018000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 40018000-40019000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 40019000-4001a000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 4001a000-40024000 r-xp 00000000 03:06 350749 /lib/libnss_files-2.2.2.so 40024000-40025000 rw-p 00009000 03:06 350749 /lib/libnss_files-2.2.2.so 4002e000-40064000 r-xp 00000000 03:06 223362 /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5.2 40064000-4006d000 rw-p 00035000 03:06 223362 /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5.2 4006d000-40070000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 40070000-4007f000 r-xp 00000000 03:06 350762 /lib/libresolv-2.2.2.so 4007f000-40080000 rw-p 0000e000 03:06 350762 /lib/libresolv-2.2.2.so 40080000-40083000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 40083000-40089000 r-xp 00000000 03:06 350726 /lib/libcrypt-2.2.2.so 40089000-4008a000 rw-p 00005000 03:06 350726 /lib/libcrypt-2.2.2.so 4008a000-400b1000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 400b1000-400d4000 r-xp 00000000 03:06 414399 /lib/i686/libm-2.2.2.so 400d4000-400d5000 rw-p 00022000 03:06 414399 /lib/i686/libm-2.2.2.so 400d5000-401fb000 r-xp 00000000 03:06 414397 /lib/i686/libc-2.2.2.so 401fb000-40201000 rw-p 00125000 03:06 414397 /lib/i686/libc-2.2.2.so 40201000-40205000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 40205000-40236000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 40236000-4027d000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 4027d000-4030b000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 bfffb000-c0000000 rwxp ffffc000 00:00 0 perth-root$ cat /proc/1110/stat 1110 (kermit) S 14740 1110 14740 34825 1110 0 321 0 346 0 1 1 0 0 9 0 0 0 34118862 6320128 614 4294967295 134512640 135893952 3221223672 3221217808 1075534094 0 0 14982 134758401 3222546150 0 0 17 0 perth-root$ cat /proc/1110/status Name: kermit State: S (sleeping) Pid: 1110 PPid: 14740 TracerPid: 0 Uid: 500 500 500 500 Gid: 500 500 500 500 FDSize: 32 Groups: 500 VmSize: 6172 kB VmLck: 0 kB VmRSS: 2456 kB VmData: 2736 kB VmStk: 20 kB VmExe: 1352 kB VmLib: 1744 kB SigPnd: 0000000000000000 SigBlk: 0000000000000000 SigIgn: 0000000000003a86 SigCgt: 0000000008084001 CapInh: 0000000000000000 CapPrm: 0000000000000000 CapEff: 0000000000000000 perth-root$ cat /proc/1110/statm 614 614 286 142 0 472 328 perth-root$ cat /proc/1110/stat 1110 (kermit) S 14740 1110 14740 34825 1110 0 321 0 346 0 1 1 0 0 9 0 0 0 34118862 6320128 614 4294967295 134512640 135893952 3221223672 3221217808 1075534094 0 0 14982 134758401 3222546150 0 0 17 0 Any suggestions? Michael From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 17 14:20:15 EDT 2001 Article: 12524 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: My kermit locks up under Linux 7.1 - any suggestions? Date: 13 Jun 2001 02:00:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9g6hgh$ouu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 992397649 25566 128.59.39.2 (13 Jun 2001 02:00:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 02:00:49 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12524 In article , Michael Barton wrote: : I've tried both 7.0 and 7.1 of kermit (cku197 and cku199) - they both : exhibit the same behavior under RedHat's Linux 7.1, but both work just : fine under Redhat's Linux 6.2 and SGI's Irix 5.3. In all cases, : kermit was built using: : : KFLAGS="-O2 -DTCP_NODELAY -DBIGBUFOK -DNODEBUG -DNOOLDMODEMS" make : linux (or irix53) : : What happens is: I invoke kermit, then use the 'telnet' command to a : remote AIX system. : : I can connnect just fine, and as long as I'm actively using the : connection, all seems well. However, if the connection is left idle : for an indeterminate period of time (maybe 3 minutes...) then kermit : locks up HARD. I can't ctl-C, ctl-\, or enter any sequence of : characters that resumes processing. the only thing that works is : closing the XTerm window. Clearly something in Linux changed out from underneath Kermit. Can you attach to the locked process with gdb and get a stack trace? That would indicate exactly where in the code the process is stuck. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From mgb@cyberdude.com Sun Jun 17 14:20:23 EDT 2001 Article: 12525 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Barton" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9g6hgh$ouu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: My kermit locks up under Linux 7.1 - any suggestions? Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:29:47 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - ReInventing The UseNet Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:32:29 -0600 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12525 #0 0x401b590e in __select () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #1 0xbfffe290 in ?? () #2 0x0808b6bb in doconect () #3 0x080be72e in setlin () #4 0x080d5ef3 in docmd () #5 0x0809e3c3 in parser () #6 0x0804b72a in doicp () #7 0x080e6d90 in cc_execute () #8 0x0804c83e in main () #9 0x400f1177 in __libc_start_main (main=0x804bfec
, argc=1, ubp_av=0xbffff8fc, init=0x804a28c <_init>, fini=0x811e300 <_fini>, rtld_fini=0x4000e184 <_dl_fini>, stack_end=0xbffff8ec) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 I'll re-compile with -g and post more info... Michael "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:9g6hgh$ouu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > > > > In article , > Michael Barton wrote: > : I've tried both 7.0 and 7.1 of kermit (cku197 and cku199) - they both > : exhibit the same behavior under RedHat's Linux 7.1, but both work just > : fine under Redhat's Linux 6.2 and SGI's Irix 5.3. In all cases, > : kermit was built using: > : > : KFLAGS="-O2 -DTCP_NODELAY -DBIGBUFOK -DNODEBUG -DNOOLDMODEMS" make > : linux (or irix53) > : > : What happens is: I invoke kermit, then use the 'telnet' command to a > : remote AIX system. > : > : I can connnect just fine, and as long as I'm actively using the > : connection, all seems well. However, if the connection is left idle > : for an indeterminate period of time (maybe 3 minutes...) then kermit > : locks up HARD. I can't ctl-C, ctl-\, or enter any sequence of > : characters that resumes processing. the only thing that works is > : closing the XTerm window. > > Clearly something in Linux changed out from underneath Kermit. > Can you attach to the locked process with gdb and get a stack trace? > > That would indicate exactly where in the code the process is stuck. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. > From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 17 14:20:28 EDT 2001 Article: 12526 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: My kermit locks up under Linux 7.1 - any suggestions? Date: 13 Jun 2001 04:12:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9g6p6t$tu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9g6hgh$ouu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 992405533 958 128.59.39.2 (13 Jun 2001 04:12:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 04:12:13 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12526 In article , Michael Barton wrote: : #0 0x401b590e in __select () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 : #1 0xbfffe290 in ?? () : #2 0x0808b6bb in doconect () : #3 0x080be72e in setlin () : #4 0x080d5ef3 in docmd () : #5 0x0809e3c3 in parser () : #6 0x0804b72a in doicp () : #7 0x080e6d90 in cc_execute () : #8 0x0804c83e in main () : #9 0x400f1177 in __libc_start_main (main=0x804bfec
, argc=1, : ubp_av=0xbffff8fc, init=0x804a28c <_init>, fini=0x811e300 <_fini>, : rtld_fini=0x4000e184 <_dl_fini>, stack_end=0xbffff8ec) : at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 : : I'll re-compile with -g and post more info... : : Michael : Let's take this off the newsgroup. Please send additional info directly to kermit-support@columbia.edu. This appears to indicate that the stack below the doconect() call has been overwritten by something that eventually called __select(). Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From matt@mhg3.sc.scruznet.com Sun Jun 17 14:20:37 EDT 2001 Article: 12531 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.tycho.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3b2a722c$0$320$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net> From: "Matthew H. Gerlach" Subject: Re: My kermit locks up under Linux 7.1 - any suggestions? Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9g6hgh$ouu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9g6p6t$tu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.12-20 (i586)) Date: 15 Jun 2001 20:38:04 GMT Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 6be8ea2c.newsreader.tycho.net X-Trace: 992637484 gemini.tycho.net 320 165.227.59.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tycho.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12531 Just for the record, I am running Red Hat 7.0 with C-Kermit 7.1.199 Alpha.02, 4 Jan 2001, for Linux. I use kermit for serial all the time, but I tried telnetting from kermit to the localhost. No problem making the connection, and I let it sit idle for 5 minutes and everything is fine. It might be AIX is doing something something to make the Linux kermit unhappy. Matthew From bjoho@centralnet.ch Sun Jun 17 14:20:53 EDT 2001 Article: 12527 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!carbon.eu.sun.com!new-usenet.uk.sun.com!not-for-mail From: Bruno Joho Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: serial device Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:46:57 +0100 Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3B279901.2D77664@centralnet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: bruno.ireland.sun.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: new-usenet.uk.sun.com 992450771 29135 10.16.23.219 (13 Jun 2001 16:46:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@new-usenet.uk.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 16:46:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12527 Hi is there any documentation availible how to use kermit to access a serial device on a SGI box. I have a Ascend Pipeline attached to the serial device and like to configure it using kermit. I apreciate any help -- Bruno Joho From dold@75.usenet.us.com Sun Jun 17 14:21:10 EDT 2001 Article: 12528 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@75.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: serial device Date: 13 Jun 2001 19:09:42 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9g8dpm$amr$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <3B279901.2D77664@centralnet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12528 Bruno Joho wrote: : is there any documentation availible how to use kermit to access a : serial device on a SGI box. : I have a Ascend Pipeline attached to the serial device and like to : configure it using kermit. We have Cisco boxes where the serial console port is tied to the serial ttya of a Sun box. Is this the communication you're asking about? If so, yes, we use kermit scripts to program the Cisco. You could start with "autotelnet.ksc" for login and scripting ideas. Or, manually, you would probably: kermit set line /dev/ttya set speed 9600 set carrier off connect -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From jgriess@caramail.com Sun Jun 17 14:21:53 EDT 2001 Article: 12532 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "Jean-Luc" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: must write a soft including Kermit binary file send Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:02:03 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: nas31-79.wnt.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1m.grolier.fr 992768566 22697 213.44.190.79 (17 Jun 2001 09:02:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2001 09:02:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12532 Hello, Must implement a software sending binary file to a Kermit receiver waiting with "kermit ri" Search for hints how the encoding is made. Traced the communication: -start negotiation ? ( includes file name ) -information is sended packet wise - low ASCII codes are encoded in two bytes, #, code+0x40 - there is a mechanism for compacting repetitive bytes . -how is the ACK , NACK response mde ? Thanks for any hints jean-luc From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 17 14:24:47 EDT 2001 Article: 12533 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: must write a soft including Kermit binary file send Date: 17 Jun 2001 18:24:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9gislq$j3l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 992802298 19573 128.59.39.2 (17 Jun 2001 18:24:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2001 18:24:58 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12533 In article <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr>, Jean-Luc wrote: : Must implement a software sending binary file : to a Kermit receiver waiting with "kermit ri" : "kermit ri" indicates a truly ancient version of UNIX Kermit, from the 4.2BSD days about 1984. You might consider looking at the Kermit website to see the modern offerings: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : Search for hints how the encoding is made. : Why? It would be a lot easier to use an existing Kermit software application. They are available for almost every platform: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From jgriess@caramail.com Mon Jun 18 09:44:44 EDT 2001 Article: 12534 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "jean-luc" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr> <9gislq$j3l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: must write a soft including Kermit binary file send Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:43:25 +0200 Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.254.60.56 Message-ID: <3b2dbe15$1_2@news.datacomm.ch> X-Trace: 18 Jun 2001 10:38:45 +0100, 212.254.60.56 Organization: Customers of Tiscali DataComm AG - http://www.tiscali.ch/ Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!newsmaster-01.atnet.at!atnet.at!news.datacomm.ch Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12534 The receiver Kermit is on a OS-9 system. To automate a test-production system, I must be able to download files to the OS-9 System using a Labview Application. In fact, I need only 5% of Kermits capabilities file transfer 8bit quoting auto-download after sending >kermit ri receiver answers with 0A 01 23 20 4E 33 0D then probably a negociation sender 01 2D 20 53 7E 25 20 40 2D 23 59 31 7E 28 43 0D receiver 01 2C 20 59 7E 2A 20 40 2D 23 59 31 7E 25 0D then file name sender 01 29 21 46 69 6E 65 74 64 62 26 0D receiver 01 23 21 59 3F 0D a kind of ACK then binary transfer begins sender 01 7A 22 44 4A FC 23 40 23 40 23 41 23 40 A.S.O. I think its feasable read also Kermit c file ckcfn2.c containing some useful infos. anyone willing to help to decode that stuff ? jean-luc Frank da Cruz wrote in message news:9gislq$j3l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr>, > Jean-Luc wrote: > : Must implement a software sending binary file > : to a Kermit receiver waiting with "kermit ri" > : > "kermit ri" indicates a truly ancient version of UNIX Kermit, > from the 4.2BSD days about 1984. You might consider looking > at the Kermit website to see the modern offerings: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html > > : Search for hints how the encoding is made. > : > Why? It would be a lot easier to use an existing Kermit > software application. They are available for almost every > platform: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 18 09:44:50 EDT 2001 Article: 12535 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: must write a soft including Kermit binary file send Date: 18 Jun 2001 13:44:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9gl0kj$l64$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr> <9gislq$j3l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3b2dbe15$1_2@news.datacomm.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 992871891 21700 128.59.39.2 (18 Jun 2001 13:44:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 2001 13:44:51 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12535 In article <3b2dbe15$1_2@news.datacomm.ch>, jean-luc wrote: : The receiver Kermit is on a OS-9 system. : : To automate a test-production system, : I must be able to download files to the OS-9 System : using a Labview Application. : : In fact, I need only 5% of Kermits capabilities : file transfer 8bit quoting auto-download : You can either use the Kermit software that is already written for OS-9: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html or you can write a Kermit implementation yourself based on the protocol specification. The hex bytes that you quoted are not going to help you understand the protocol; they vary according to settings and conditions and negotiations. You either have to read about it or just use what is already available. - Frank From jgriess@caramail.com Tue Jun 19 10:48:42 EDT 2001 Article: 12536 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "jean-luc" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr> <9gislq$j3l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3b2dbe15$1_2@news.datacomm.ch> <9gl0kj$l64$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: must write a soft including Kermit binary file send Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:00:05 +0200 Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.254.61.134 Message-ID: <3b2f3dae$1_1@news.datacomm.ch> X-Trace: 19 Jun 2001 13:55:26 +0100, 212.254.61.134 Organization: Customers of Tiscali DataComm AG - http://www.tiscali.ch/ Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!news.nask.pl!news.ipartners.pl!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!newsmaster-01.atnet.at!atnet.at!news.datacomm.ch Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12536 please understand - The OS-9 stuf is given and working, also if it is a older Kermit version. - OS-9 is the target where "kermit ri" is waiting for files. I was reading some of your source files, like ckcfn2.c and gkermit.c, so its a great help, know about S, F, D-type packets. The receiver OS-9 is waiting for files and send a NACK at regular intervalls NACK is 01 23 20 4E 33 0D where 01 is the start character where 23 20 is the sequence number where 4E ist the N for NACK where 0D is the block end what is the 33 for ? is this a checksumm ? I have problems with the checksumm calculation. I use the 1 Byte checksumm, type 1 so its all bytes anded with 177 and summed, add higher bits and anded with 77 I dont find that result. Can you help ? Frank da Cruz wrote in message news:9gl0kj$l64$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article <3b2dbe15$1_2@news.datacomm.ch>, > jean-luc wrote: > : The receiver Kermit is on a OS-9 system. > : > : To automate a test-production system, > : I must be able to download files to the OS-9 System > : using a Labview Application. > : > : In fact, I need only 5% of Kermits capabilities > : file transfer 8bit quoting auto-download > : > You can either use the Kermit software that is already > written for OS-9: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html > > or you can write a Kermit implementation yourself based > on the protocol specification. The hex bytes that you > quoted are not going to help you understand the protocol; > they vary according to settings and conditions and > negotiations. You either have to read about it or just > use what is already available. > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 19 10:49:05 EDT 2001 Article: 12537 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: must write a soft including Kermit binary file send Date: 19 Jun 2001 14:48:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-ID: <9gnoob$kn6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr> <3b2dbe15$1_2@news.datacomm.ch> <9gl0kj$l64$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3b2f3dae$1_1@news.datacomm.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 992962123 21222 128.59.39.2 (19 Jun 2001 14:48:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 14:48:43 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12537 In article <3b2f3dae$1_1@news.datacomm.ch>, jean-luc wrote: : please understand : - The OS-9 stuf is given and working, also if it is a older Kermit version. : - OS-9 is the target where "kermit ri" is waiting for files. : What kind of computer is sending the files? Does it have an operating system? : I was reading some of your source files, like ckcfn2.c and gkermit.c, so : its a great help, know about S, F, D-type packets. : : The receiver OS-9 is waiting for files and send a NACK at regular : intervalls : : NACK is 01 23 20 4E 33 0D : where 01 is the start character : where 23 20 is the sequence number : where 4E ist the N for NACK : where 0D is the block end : : what is the 33 for ? : is this a checksumm ? : 01 = Ctrl-A Start of packet 23 = # Length 20 = SP Sequence number 4E = N Type 33 = 3 Checksum 0D = CR Terminator : I have problems with the checksumm calculation. : I use the 1 Byte checksumm, type 1 so its all bytes anded with 177 and : summed, add higher bits and anded with 77 I dont find that result. : Here's the formula from chk1() in ckcfn2.c: chk = (((chk & 0300) >> 6) + chk) & 077; chk is the sum of the length, sequence, type, and data fields. Before application of the formula, this is: 23 + 20 + 4E = 91 (hex) = 221 (octal) = 145 (decimal) In C, the numbers starting with 0 are octal. You could write this in hexadecimal as: chk = (((chk & 0xC0) >> 6) + chk) & 0x3F; and in decimal as: chk = (((chk & 192) >> 6) + chk) & 63; Let's use hex, since that's what you used: chk = (((chk & 0xC0) >> 6) + chk) & 0x3F; chk = (((0x91 & 0xC0) >> 6) + 0x91) & 0x3F; chk = ((0x80 >> 6) + 0x91) & 0x3F; chk = (0x02 + 0x91) & 0x3F chk = (0x93 & 0x3F) chk = 13 Then to make it printable we add 20 (hex) = 33, which is ASCII "3". It's all in the book. Maybe you can find a copy of it in your local library. - Frank From kaustav@lucent.com Tue Jun 19 18:07:03 EDT 2001 Article: 12538 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.24.196.41!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!news From: Kaustav Bose Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: starting pppd from kermit Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:57:07 -0500 Organization: Lucent Technologies Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3B2FCAB3.FDC207C0@lucent.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ihgp161h121.ih.lucent.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6C-CCK-MCD EMS-1.4 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12538 Is it possible to start pppd from kermit. this needs to be done after I have established a modem session with the remote access server's modem at the other end. thanks -- Kaustav Bose From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 19 18:07:06 EDT 2001 Article: 12539 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting pppd from kermit Date: 19 Jun 2001 22:07:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9goiem$9o7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B2FCAB3.FDC207C0@lucent.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 992988438 9991 128.59.39.2 (19 Jun 2001 22:07:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 22:07:18 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12539 In article <3B2FCAB3.FDC207C0@lucent.com>, Kaustav Bose wrote: : Is it possible to start pppd from kermit. : this needs to be done after I have established a modem : session with the remote access server's modem at the other end. : Yes. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#ppp - Frank From jgriess@caramail.com Wed Jun 20 09:35:17 EDT 2001 Article: 12540 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "jean-luc" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr> <3b2dbe15$1_2@news.datacomm.ch> <9gl0kj$l64$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3b2f3dae$1_1@news.datacomm.ch> <9gnoob$kn6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: must write a soft including Kermit binary file send Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:34:52 +0200 Lines: 86 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.254.64.64 Message-ID: <3b308944_1@news.datacomm.ch> X-Trace: 20 Jun 2001 13:30:12 +0100, 212.254.64.64 Organization: Customers of Tiscali DataComm AG - http://www.tiscali.ch/ Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nautilus.eusc.inter.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!newsmaster-01.atnet.at!atnet.at!news.datacomm.ch Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12540 Thanks for the explanation, checksumm is ok now. in fact, Labview is running on a PC, Win NT. It would be possible in Labview to call Kermit application, but then how to make the binary file send happen without operator typing the commands ? Is this possible with arguments in the calling line ? ( This would avoid me to write the binary file send in Labview, emulating the Kermit packetting ). Jean-Luc Frank da Cruz wrote in message news:9gnoob$kn6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article <3b2f3dae$1_1@news.datacomm.ch>, > jean-luc wrote: > : please understand > : - The OS-9 stuf is given and working, also if it is a older Kermit version. > : - OS-9 is the target where "kermit ri" is waiting for files. > : > What kind of computer is sending the files? Does it have an operating > system? > > : I was reading some of your source files, like ckcfn2.c and gkermit.c, so > : its a great help, know about S, F, D-type packets. > : > : The receiver OS-9 is waiting for files and send a NACK at regular > : intervalls > : > : NACK is 01 23 20 4E 33 0D > : where 01 is the start character > : where 23 20 is the sequence number > : where 4E ist the N for NACK > : where 0D is the block end > : > : what is the 33 for ? > : is this a checksumm ? > : > 01 = Ctrl-A Start of packet > 23 = # Length > 20 = SP Sequence number > 4E = N Type > 33 = 3 Checksum > 0D = CR Terminator > > : I have problems with the checksumm calculation. > : I use the 1 Byte checksumm, type 1 so its all bytes anded with 177 and > : summed, add higher bits and anded with 77 I dont find that result. > : > Here's the formula from chk1() in ckcfn2.c: > > chk = (((chk & 0300) >> 6) + chk) & 077; > > chk is the sum of the length, sequence, type, and data fields. Before > application of the formula, this is: > > 23 + 20 + 4E = 91 (hex) = 221 (octal) = 145 (decimal) > > In C, the numbers starting with 0 are octal. You could write this in > hexadecimal as: > > chk = (((chk & 0xC0) >> 6) + chk) & 0x3F; > > and in decimal as: > > chk = (((chk & 192) >> 6) + chk) & 63; > > Let's use hex, since that's what you used: > > chk = (((chk & 0xC0) >> 6) + chk) & 0x3F; > chk = (((0x91 & 0xC0) >> 6) + 0x91) & 0x3F; > chk = ((0x80 >> 6) + 0x91) & 0x3F; > chk = (0x02 + 0x91) & 0x3F > chk = (0x93 & 0x3F) > chk = 13 > > Then to make it printable we add 20 (hex) = 33, which is ASCII "3". > > It's all in the book. Maybe you can find a copy of it in your local > library. > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 20 09:35:20 EDT 2001 Article: 12541 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: must write a soft including Kermit binary file send Date: 20 Jun 2001 13:35:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <9gq8qe$51r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ghrnm$m59$1@front1m.grolier.fr> <3b2f3dae$1_1@news.datacomm.ch> <9gnoob$kn6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3b308944_1@news.datacomm.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 993044110 5179 128.59.39.2 (20 Jun 2001 13:35:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2001 13:35:10 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12541 In article <3b308944_1@news.datacomm.ch>, jean-luc wrote: : Thanks for the explanation, : checksumm is ok now. : : in fact, Labview is running on a PC, Win NT. : It would be possible in Labview to call Kermit application... : Of course. The Kermit application for Windows NT is Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : but then how to make the binary file send happen : without operator typing the commands ? : Is this possible with arguments in the calling line ? : Yes. : ( This would avoid me to write the binary file send : in Labview, emulating the Kermit packetting ). : Right. That is exactly the right way to do it. Kermit 95 accepts command-line arguments and also can execute scripts in its script programming language: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html Thus, you can write as much (or as little) of your application as you want as a Kermit script. No user intervention is necessary. Also see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/embedding.html - Frank From bayers@yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 16:52:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12542 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bayers@yahoo.com (Jim Bayers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 Version 1.21 Date: 27 Jun 2001 13:33:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <55835a9f.0106271233.2d42a44@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.135.121.101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993674035 23621 127.0.0.1 (27 Jun 2001 20:33:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2001 20:33:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12542 When is the new version of K95 coming out, Frank? I sure could use an SSH client that's better than putty. - Jim From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 27 16:52:37 EDT 2001 Article: 12543 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 Version 1.21 Date: 27 Jun 2001 20:48:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9hdgq2$nfg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <55835a9f.0106271233.2d42a44@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 993674882 24048 128.59.39.2 (27 Jun 2001 20:48:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2001 20:48:02 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12543 In article <55835a9f.0106271233.2d42a44@posting.google.com>, Jim Bayers wrote: : When is the new version of K95 coming out, Frank? : : I sure could use an SSH client that's better than putty. : I hope everybody can! We're working hard on it, it's getting there. It pretty much has to come out within the next month or two. We'll probably call it 2.0 rather than 1.1.21. - Frank From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Thu Jun 28 10:14:16 EDT 2001 Article: 12544 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.harvard.edu!news.rice.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!rice!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!fr.clara.net!bigger.fr.clara.net!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: inf file .... Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:19:12 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 696 Message-ID: <3b3af86e$0$93440$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 993720437 reader0.news.skynet.be 93440 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12544 Hi! I have to configure kermit to support my modem. I know that my modem is rockwell compatible. The modem vendore has send me an inf file to help me and doc about AT command for the modem When i try to use the modem, kermit says that it can't initialize the modem.... What mi-ust i do with those files to allow kermit to know my modem Thanks in avance Nathan Rousseau PS here is the Inf file ... It seems that the data i need are there but i don't know how to use it.... [Version] Signature="$CHICAGO$" Class=Modem ClassGUID={4D36E96D-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} Provider=%Mfg% [Manufacturer] %Mfg% = DIGI [DIGI] %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM382D9C93 ; DF RAS PT - OLD %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM37ED95C7 ; DF RAS PT - OLD %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM9E75DAEF ; DF RAS PT %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM841394F8 ; DF RAS B4U %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM3D235C46 ; DF RAS B4ST %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEMF72C054D ; A RAS 8 [DigiRAS.NoResDup] UNIMODEM382D9C93,UNIMODEM37ED95C7,UNIMODEM9E75DAEF,UNIMODEM841394F8,UNIMODEM 3D235C46,UNIMODEMF72C054D [DigiRAS] AddReg=All,INTERNAL,MfgAddReg,Responses,DigiRAS.AddReg [All] HKR,,FriendlyDriver,,Unimodem.vxd HKR,,DevLoader,,*vcomm HKR,,ConfigDialog,,modemui.dll HKR,,EnumPropPages,,"modemui.dll,EnumPropPages" HKR, Init, 1,, "AT" [INTERNAL] HKR,, DeviceType, 1, 02 [DigiRAS.AddReg] HKR,, Properties, 1, 80,01,00,00, FF,00,00,00, FF,00,00,00, 07,00,00,00, 0F,00,00,00, FF,07,00,00, 00,C2,01,00, C0,DA,00,00 [MfgAddReg] HKR,, InactivityScale, 1, 0a,00,00,00 HKR, Init, 2,, "AT &F E0 V1 &D2 &C1 W1 S0=0 S95=47" HKR, Monitor, 1,, "ATS0=0" HKR, Monitor, 2,, "None" HKR, Hangup, 1,, "ATH" HKR, Answer, 1,, "ATA" HKR,, Reset,, "AT&F" HKR, Settings, Prefix,, "AT" HKR, Settings, Terminator,, "" HKR, Settings, DialPrefix,, "D" HKR, Settings, SpeakerVolume_Low,, "L0" HKR, Settings, SpeakerVolume_Med,, "L2" HKR, Settings, SpeakerVolume_High,, "L3" HKR, Settings, SpeakerMode_Off,, "M0" HKR, Settings, SpeakerMode_Dial,, "M1" HKR, Settings, SpeakerMode_On,, "M2" HKR, Settings, SpeakerMode_Setup,, "M3" HKR, Settings, FlowControl_Off,, "&K0" HKR, Settings, FlowControl_Hard,, "&K3" HKR, Settings, FlowControl_Soft,, "&K4" HKR, Settings, ErrorControl_On,, "\N3" HKR, Settings, ErrorControl_Off,, "\N0" HKR, Settings, ErrorControl_Forced,, "\N2" HKR, Settings, Compression_On,, "%%C3" ; note doubled %% HKR, Settings, Compression_Off,, "%%C0" HKR, Settings, Modulation_CCITT,, "B0" HKR, Settings, Modulation_Bell,, "B1" HKR, Settings, Modulation_CCITT_V23,, "+MS=3" HKR, Settings, SpeedNegotiation_Off,, "N0" HKR, Settings, SpeedNegotiation_On,, "N1" HKR, Settings, Pulse,, "P" HKR, Settings, Tone,, "T" HKR, Settings, Blind_Off,, "X4" HKR, Settings, Blind_On,, "X3" HKR, Settings, CallSetupFailTimer,, "S7=<#>" HKR, Settings, InactivityTimeout,, "S30=<#>" HKR,,CompatibilityFlags, 1, 01, 00, 00, 00 HKR,,ConfigDelay, 1, b8, 0b, 00, 00 HKR, Settings, DialSuffix,, ";" [Responses] HKR, Responses, "OK", 1, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "OK", 1, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "RING", 1, 08, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "RING", 1, 08, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NO CARRIER", 1, 04, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NO CARRIER", 1, 04, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "ERROR", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "ERROR", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NO DIALTONE", 1, 05, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NO DIALTONE", 1, 05, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "BUSY", 1, 06, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "BUSY", 1, 06, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NO ANSWER", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NO ANSWER", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "FAX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "FAX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "DATA", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "DATA", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "DELAYED", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "DELAYED", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "BLACKLISTED", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "BLACKLISTED", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "+FCERROR", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "+FCERROR", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "0", 1, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "1", 1, 02, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "2", 1, 08, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "3", 1, 04, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "4", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "5", 1, 02, 00, b0,04,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "6", 1, 05, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "7", 1, 06, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "8", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT", 1, 02, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "/ARQ", 1, 02, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "/VFC", 1, 02, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/75RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/300RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/600RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/1200RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/2400RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/4800RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/7200RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/9600RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/12000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/14400RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/16800RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/19200RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/21600RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/24000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/26400RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/28000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/28800RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/29333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/30667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/31200RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/32000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/33333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/33600RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/34000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/34667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/36000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/37333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/38000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/38400RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/38667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/40000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/41333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/42000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/42667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/44000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/45333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/46000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/46667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/48000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/49333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/50000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/50667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/52000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/53333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/54000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/54667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/56000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/57333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/58000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/58667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/60000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/61333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/62667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "TX/64000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 75", 1, 02, 00, 4B,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 300", 1, 02, 00, 2C,01,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 600", 1, 02, 00, 58,02,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 1200", 1, 02, 00, B0,04,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 2400", 1, 02, 00, 60,09,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 4800", 1, 02, 00, 20,1C,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 7200", 1, 02, 00, 20,1C,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 9600", 1, 02, 00, 80,25,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 12000", 1, 02, 00, E0,2E,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 14400", 1, 02, 00, 40,38,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 16800", 1, 02, 00, 40,38,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 19200", 1, 02, 00, 00,4B,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 21600", 1, 02, 00, 60,54,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 24000", 1, 02, 00, C0,5D,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 26400", 1, 02, 00, 20,67,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 28000", 1, 02, 00, 60,6D,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 28800", 1, 02, 00, 80,70,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 29333", 1, 02, 00, 95,72,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 30667", 1, 02, 00, CB,77,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 31200", 1, 02, 00, E0,79,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 32000", 1, 02, 00, 00,7D,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 33333", 1, 02, 00, 35,82,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 33600", 1, 02, 00, 40,83,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 34000", 1, 02, 00, D0,84,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 34667", 1, 02, 00, 6B,87,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 36000", 1, 02, 00, A0,8C,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 37333", 1, 02, 00, D5,91,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 38000", 1, 02, 00, 70,94,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 38400", 1, 02, 00, 00,96,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 38667", 1, 02, 00, 0b,97,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 40000", 1, 02, 00, 40,9C,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 41333", 1, 02, 00, 75,A1,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 42000", 1, 02, 00, 10,A4,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 42667", 1, 02, 00, AB,A6,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 44000", 1, 02, 00, E0,AB,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 45333", 1, 02, 00, 15,B1,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 46000", 1, 02, 00, B0,B3,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 46667", 1, 02, 00, 4B,B6,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 48000", 1, 02, 00, 80,BB,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 49333", 1, 02, 00, B5,C0,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 50000", 1, 02, 00, 50,C3,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 50667", 1, 02, 00, EB,C5,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 52000", 1, 02, 00, 20,CB,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 53333", 1, 02, 00, 55,D0,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 54000", 1, 02, 00, F0,D2,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 54667", 1, 02, 00, 8B,D5,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 56000", 1, 02, 00, C0,DA,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 57333", 1, 02, 00, F5,DF,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 58000", 1, 02, 00, 90,E2,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 60000", 1, 02, 00, 60,EA,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 61333", 1, 02, 00, 95,EF,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 62667", 1, 02, 00, CB,F4,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 64000", 1, 02, 00, 00,FA,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 75", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 300", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 600", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 1200", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 2400", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 4800", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 7200", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 9600", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 12000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 14400", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 16800", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 19200", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 21600", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 24000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 26400", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 28000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 28800", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 29333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 30667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 31200", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 32000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 33333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 33600", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 34000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 34667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 36000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 37333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 38000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 38400", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 38667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 40000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 41333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 42000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 42667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 44000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 45333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 46000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 46667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 48000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 49333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 50000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 50667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 52000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 53333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 54000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 54667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 56000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 57333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 58000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 58667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 60000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 61333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 62667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 64000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "000000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "000001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "000010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "000011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "000100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "000101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "000110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "000111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "001000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "001001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "001010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "001011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "001100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "001101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "001110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "001111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "010000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "010001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "010010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "010011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "010100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "010101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "010110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "010111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "011000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "011001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "011010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "011011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "011100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "011101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "011110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "011111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "100000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "100001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "100010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "100011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "100100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "100101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "100110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "100111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "101000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "101001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "101010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "101011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "101100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "101101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "101110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "101111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "110000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "110001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "110010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "110011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "110100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "110101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "110110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "110111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "111000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "111001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "111010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "111011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "111100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "111101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "111110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "111111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 0/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 1/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 2/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 3/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 4/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 5/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 6/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 7/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 8/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 9/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "COMPRESSION: CLASS 5", 1, 01, 01, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "COMPRESSION: V.42BIS", 1, 01, 01, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "COMPRESSION: V42BIS", 1, 01, 01, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "COMPRESSION: NONE", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "COMPRESSION:NONE", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL: DIRECT", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL: V42BIS", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL:V42BIS", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL: ALT", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL:ALT", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL: NONE", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL:NONE", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL: LAPM", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL:LAPM", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL: LAP-M", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL:LAP-M", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 HKR, Responses, "PROTOCOL:MNP4", 1, 01, 02, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00 [Strings] Mfg = "Digi International" ProductName = "Digi RAS 56K Modem" From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jun 28 10:14:28 EDT 2001 Article: 12545 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: inf file 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Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:53:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 728 Message-ID: <9hf9cj$3e1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3b3af86e$0$93440$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 993732819 3521 128.59.39.2 (28 Jun 2001 12:53:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:53:39 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12545 Assuming your INF file is correct, then all you need to do is SET TAPI MODEM-DIALING ON SET TAPI LINE SET FLOW ... SET SPEED ... DIAL ... And Windows will take care of the dialing using the information in the INF file. If you want Kermit to use its own built in dialing algorithms with INF file info, simply change the first command to SET TAPI MODEM-DIALING OFF. After issuing the SET TAPI LINE command you can use SHOW MODEM to see the modem commands that were imported from the registry. You can use SHOW TAPI, SHOW TAPI-MODEM, and SHOW TAPI-COMM to find out lots of information about how your modem is installed within Windows. In article <3b3af86e$0$93440$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>, Nathan Rousseau wrote: : Hi! : : I have to configure kermit to support my modem. : I know that my modem is rockwell compatible. : The modem vendore has send me an inf file to help me and doc about AT : command for the modem : When i try to use the modem, kermit says that it can't initialize the : modem.... : : What mi-ust i do with those files to allow kermit to know my modem : : Thanks in avance : : Nathan Rousseau : : PS here is the Inf file ... It seems that the data i need are there but i : don't know how to use it.... : : [Version] : Signature="$CHICAGO$" : Class=Modem : ClassGUID={4D36E96D-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} : Provider=%Mfg% : : [Manufacturer] : %Mfg% = DIGI : : [DIGI] : %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM382D9C93 ; DF RAS PT - OLD : %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM37ED95C7 ; DF RAS PT - OLD : %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM9E75DAEF ; DF RAS PT : %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM841394F8 ; DF RAS B4U : %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEM3D235C46 ; DF RAS B4ST : %ProductName% = DigiRAS, UNIMODEMF72C054D ; A RAS 8 : : [DigiRAS.NoResDup] : UNIMODEM382D9C93,UNIMODEM37ED95C7,UNIMODEM9E75DAEF,UNIMODEM841394F8,UNIMODEM : 3D235C46,UNIMODEMF72C054D : : [DigiRAS] : AddReg=All,INTERNAL,MfgAddReg,Responses,DigiRAS.AddReg : : [All] : HKR,,FriendlyDriver,,Unimodem.vxd : HKR,,DevLoader,,*vcomm : HKR,,ConfigDialog,,modemui.dll : HKR,,EnumPropPages,,"modemui.dll,EnumPropPages" : HKR, Init, 1,, "AT" : : [INTERNAL] : HKR,, DeviceType, 1, 02 : : [DigiRAS.AddReg] : HKR,, Properties, 1, 80,01,00,00, FF,00,00,00, FF,00,00,00, 07,00,00,00, : 0F,00,00,00, FF,07,00,00, 00,C2,01,00, C0,DA,00,00 : : [MfgAddReg] : HKR,, InactivityScale, 1, 0a,00,00,00 : HKR, Init, 2,, "AT &F E0 V1 &D2 &C1 W1 S0=0 S95=47" : HKR, Monitor, 1,, "ATS0=0" : HKR, Monitor, 2,, "None" : HKR, Hangup, 1,, "ATH" : HKR, Answer, 1,, "ATA" : HKR,, Reset,, "AT&F" : HKR, Settings, Prefix,, "AT" : HKR, Settings, Terminator,, "" : HKR, Settings, DialPrefix,, "D" : HKR, Settings, SpeakerVolume_Low,, "L0" : HKR, Settings, SpeakerVolume_Med,, "L2" : HKR, Settings, SpeakerVolume_High,, "L3" : HKR, Settings, SpeakerMode_Off,, "M0" : HKR, Settings, SpeakerMode_Dial,, "M1" : HKR, Settings, SpeakerMode_On,, "M2" : HKR, Settings, SpeakerMode_Setup,, "M3" : HKR, Settings, FlowControl_Off,, "&K0" : HKR, Settings, FlowControl_Hard,, "&K3" : HKR, Settings, FlowControl_Soft,, "&K4" : HKR, Settings, ErrorControl_On,, "\N3" : HKR, Settings, ErrorControl_Off,, "\N0" : HKR, Settings, ErrorControl_Forced,, "\N2" : HKR, Settings, Compression_On,, "%%C3" ; note doubled %% : HKR, Settings, Compression_Off,, "%%C0" : HKR, Settings, Modulation_CCITT,, "B0" : HKR, Settings, Modulation_Bell,, "B1" : HKR, Settings, Modulation_CCITT_V23,, "+MS=3" : HKR, Settings, SpeedNegotiation_Off,, "N0" : HKR, Settings, SpeedNegotiation_On,, "N1" : HKR, Settings, Pulse,, "P" : HKR, Settings, Tone,, "T" : HKR, Settings, Blind_Off,, "X4" : HKR, Settings, Blind_On,, "X3" : HKR, Settings, CallSetupFailTimer,, "S7=<#>" : HKR, Settings, InactivityTimeout,, "S30=<#>" : HKR,,CompatibilityFlags, 1, 01, 00, 00, 00 : HKR,,ConfigDelay, 1, b8, 0b, 00, 00 : HKR, Settings, DialSuffix,, ";" : : : [Responses] : HKR, Responses, "OK", 1, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "OK", 1, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "RING", 1, 08, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "RING", 1, 08, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NO CARRIER", 1, 04, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NO CARRIER", 1, 04, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "ERROR", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "ERROR", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NO DIALTONE", 1, 05, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NO DIALTONE", 1, 05, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "BUSY", 1, 06, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "BUSY", 1, 06, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NO ANSWER", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NO ANSWER", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "FAX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "FAX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "DATA", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "DATA", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "DELAYED", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "DELAYED", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "BLACKLISTED", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "BLACKLISTED", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "+FCERROR", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "+FCERROR", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : : HKR, Responses, "0", 1, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "1", 1, 02, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "2", 1, 08, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "3", 1, 04, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "4", 1, 03, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "5", 1, 02, 00, b0,04,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "6", 1, 05, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "7", 1, 06, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "8", 1, 07, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT", 1, 02, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "/ARQ", 1, 02, 02, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "/VFC", 1, 02, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/75RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/300RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/600RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/1200RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/2400RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/4800RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/7200RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/9600RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/12000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/14400RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/16800RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/19200RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/21600RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/24000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/26400RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/28000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/28800RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/29333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/30667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/31200RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/32000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/33333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/33600RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/34000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/34667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/36000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/37333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/38000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/38400RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/38667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/40000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/41333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/42000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/42667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/44000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/45333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/46000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/46667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/48000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/49333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/50000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/50667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/52000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/53333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/54000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/54667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/56000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/57333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/58000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/58667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/60000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/61333RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/62667RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "TX/64000RX", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 75", 1, 02, 00, 4B,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 300", 1, 02, 00, 2C,01,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 600", 1, 02, 00, 58,02,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 1200", 1, 02, 00, B0,04,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 2400", 1, 02, 00, 60,09,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 4800", 1, 02, 00, 20,1C,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 7200", 1, 02, 00, 20,1C,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 9600", 1, 02, 00, 80,25,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 12000", 1, 02, 00, E0,2E,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 14400", 1, 02, 00, 40,38,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 16800", 1, 02, 00, 40,38,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 19200", 1, 02, 00, 00,4B,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 21600", 1, 02, 00, 60,54,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 24000", 1, 02, 00, C0,5D,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 26400", 1, 02, 00, 20,67,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 28000", 1, 02, 00, 60,6D,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 28800", 1, 02, 00, 80,70,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 29333", 1, 02, 00, 95,72,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 30667", 1, 02, 00, CB,77,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 31200", 1, 02, 00, E0,79,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 32000", 1, 02, 00, 00,7D,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 33333", 1, 02, 00, 35,82,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 33600", 1, 02, 00, 40,83,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 34000", 1, 02, 00, D0,84,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 34667", 1, 02, 00, 6B,87,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 36000", 1, 02, 00, A0,8C,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 37333", 1, 02, 00, D5,91,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 38000", 1, 02, 00, 70,94,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 38400", 1, 02, 00, 00,96,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 38667", 1, 02, 00, 0b,97,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 40000", 1, 02, 00, 40,9C,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 41333", 1, 02, 00, 75,A1,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 42000", 1, 02, 00, 10,A4,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 42667", 1, 02, 00, AB,A6,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 44000", 1, 02, 00, E0,AB,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 45333", 1, 02, 00, 15,B1,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 46000", 1, 02, 00, B0,B3,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 46667", 1, 02, 00, 4B,B6,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 48000", 1, 02, 00, 80,BB,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 49333", 1, 02, 00, B5,C0,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 50000", 1, 02, 00, 50,C3,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 50667", 1, 02, 00, EB,C5,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 52000", 1, 02, 00, 20,CB,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 53333", 1, 02, 00, 55,D0,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 54000", 1, 02, 00, F0,D2,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 54667", 1, 02, 00, 8B,D5,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 56000", 1, 02, 00, C0,DA,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 57333", 1, 02, 00, F5,DF,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 58000", 1, 02, 00, 90,E2,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 60000", 1, 02, 00, 60,EA,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 61333", 1, 02, 00, 95,EF,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 62667", 1, 02, 00, CB,F4,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CONNECT 64000", 1, 02, 00, 00,FA,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 75", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 300", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 600", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 1200", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 2400", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 4800", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 7200", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 9600", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 12000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 14400", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 16800", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 19200", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 21600", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 24000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 26400", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 28000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 28800", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 29333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 30667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 31200", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 32000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 33333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 33600", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 34000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 34667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 36000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 37333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 38000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 38400", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 38667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 40000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 41333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 42000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 42667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 44000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 45333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 46000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 46667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 48000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 49333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 50000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 50667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 52000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 53333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 54000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 54667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 56000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 57333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 58000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 58667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 60000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 61333", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 62667", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "CARRIER 64000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : : HKR, Responses, "000000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "000001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "000010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "000011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "000100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "000101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "000110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "000111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "001000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "001001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "001010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "001011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "001100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "001101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "001110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "001111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "010000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "010001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "010010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "010011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "010100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "010101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "010110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "010111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "011000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "011001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "011010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "011011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "011100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "011101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "011110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "011111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "100000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "100001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "100010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "100011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "100100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "100101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "100110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "100111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "101000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "101001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "101010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "101011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "101100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "101101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "101110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "101111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "110000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "110001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "110010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "110011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "110100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "110101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "110110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "110111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "111000", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "111001", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "111010", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "111011", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "111100", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "111101", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "111110", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "111111", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 0/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 1/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 2/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 3/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 4/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 5/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 6/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 7/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 8/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "NETWORK 9/", 1, 01, 00, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : : HKR, Responses, "COMPRESSION: CLASS 5", 1, 01, 01, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "COMPRESSION: V.42BIS", 1, 01, 01, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, "COMPRESSION: V42BIS", 1, 01, 01, 00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : HKR, Responses, 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00,00,00,00, : 00,00,00,00 : : : [Strings] : Mfg = "Digi International" : ProductName = "Digi RAS 56K Modem" : : : Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Fri Jun 29 10:11:26 EDT 2001 Article: 12546 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fred smith Subject: Re: inf file .... User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.16-3 (i686)) Sender: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <3b3af86e$0$93440$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> <9hf9cj$3e1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:57:02 GMT Lines: 27 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12546 Jeffrey Altman wrote: : Assuming your INF file is correct, then all you need to do is : SET TAPI MODEM-DIALING ON : SET TAPI LINE : SET FLOW ... : SET SPEED ... : DIAL ... : And Windows will take care of the dialing using the information in I was assuming (but upon reflection note that the OP did not specify) that he was referring to using it on some NON-WINDOWS platform, using the inf file as the source for modem information. Note that the INF file does specify at least some modem commands, if it gives the same one kermit (I'm thinking C-Kermit) needs to set up a modem, you're all set! Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ---------------------------- "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." ---------------------------- Hebrews 4:12 (niv) ------------------------------ From mpuech@enseignant.org.invalid Fri Jun 29 10:11:30 EDT 2001 Article: 12547 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.harvard.edu!news.rice.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!rice!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!nnrp1.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Xnews/Y2K-SE Hamster-Fr/1.7.8.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit in Pascal or Delphi or DLL From: mpuech@enseignant.org.invalid (Max PUECH) Organization: ENC Lines: 9 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:30:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.228.41.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net X-Trace: nnrp1.proxad.net 993799838 213.228.41.154 (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:30:38 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:30:38 CEST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12547 Hello, I'm trying to use Kermit with my calculator HP40G. Thanks in advance. -- Max PUECH ENC Toulouse (FR) From mpuech@enseignant.org.invalid Fri Jun 29 10:11:32 EDT 2001 Article: 12548 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.harvard.edu!purdue!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!opentransit.net!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!nnrp1.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Xnews/Y2K-SE Hamster-Fr/1.7.8.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in Pascal or Delphi or DLL From: mpuech@enseignant.org.invalid (Max PUECH) References: Organization: ENC Lines: 19 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:03:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.228.41.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net X-Trace: nnrp1.proxad.net 993812597 213.228.41.47 (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:03:17 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:03:17 CEST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12548 mpuech@enseignant.org.invalid (Max PUECH) écrivait dans : >Hello, > >I'm trying to use Kermit with my calculator HP40G. It's for a PC running under Windows 95. I've seen: - the command-line embedding of Kermit-95; - AsyncPro 3 - Crystal Comm It's too much for my little HP40 (and too expensive also). -- Max PUECH ENC Toulouse (FR) From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 29 15:09:08 EDT 2001 Article: 12549 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.02 Date: 29 Jun 2001 18:57:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 127 Message-ID: <9hij3j$470$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 993841075 4320 128.59.39.2 (29 Jun 2001 18:57:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2001 18:57:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12549 Hi all. C-Kermit 7.1 has become C-Kermit 8.0, and a new Beta version (Beta.02) is now available for testing: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html (Yes, I know we said Beta.01 would be the final Beta, but we made a last-minute course correction, sorry.) What's new: In recognition of the fact that SSH has largely replaced Telnet, we are busy adding SSH to C-Kermit and Kermit 95. UNIX is the easy one. C-Kermit's new SSH command is not a built-in SSH implementation; it simply runs the external SSH program through Kermit's pseudoterminal interface, thus giving you all of Kermit's features (command language, file transfer, scripting, character-set translation, etc) on SSH connections if you already have an SSH client installed. In fact, you could already do this in previous Kermit releases with "pty ssh"; this just makes it obvious (plus it works better now that some bugs in the pty code have been fixed). C-Kermit invokes ssh with "-e none", which disables its escape character and makes it transparent for purposes of file transfer. You can, however, change the SSH invocation to whatever else you might need (an explicit path, additional command-line arguments, etc) with SET SSH COMMAND blah. SSH details, configuration, version, etc, are completely unknown and irrelevant to Kermit. Kermit 95, on the other hand, will include its own built-in SSH client, since Windows does not lend itself to the UNIX-style building-block approach. There's no point in issuing a new Kermit 95 release without SSH, now that Telnet and Rlogin servers are so rapidly becoming extinct. (Yes, Telnet and Rlogin can be secured, but nobody is bothering to do it.) Watch this space for announcements, coming soon! Script writers: note that Kermit's SSH command is like its TELNET and RLOGIN commands: it both establishes the connection and enters CONNECT (terminal) mode. To script an SSH connection, use: set host /pty ssh if fail ... Other changes since Beta.01: . "Large model" (-DBIGBUFOK) now used for Solaris/x86 builds. . High-performance Kermit protocol defaults are now automatic for all platforms built with the large model. . For sending or listing lots of files... Kermit has to allocate space for filename strings and string pointers before making a file list, but then it can run out if there are too many files or the pathname strings are too long. However, any kind of dynamic scheme for this would be a performance hit. Therefore for "large model" builds (i.e. VMS and most modern UNIXes) we allocate 102400 filename pointers and 500KB string space for pathnames. But now, if that's not big enough, there are new command to change it: SET FILE STRINGSPACE SET FILE LISTSIZE . Linux pseudoterminal code fixed; Linux changed out from under Kermit since the code was first written. New Linux makefile entry tests to see which PTY API to use. . Lots of new security entries (see comments in makefile). . Added -dd (= -d -d) command-line option to request timestamped debug log. . Made SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY work for external protocols (XYZMODEM). . Added a way for GREP /COUNT to store its result in a variable. . Improved idle limits in UNIX version: SET TERM IDLE-LIMIT specifies the limit, SET TERM IDLE-ACTION tells what to do if the idle limit is reached: RETURN to command mode, HANGUP, EXIT, or OUTPUT something. . New \v(cx_status) variable tells why CONNECT mode was terminated: user escaped back, user disconnected, host disconnected, APC, etc. . SET ATTRIBUTE RECORD-FORMAT { OFF, ON } to cope with broken Tandem Kermit. . Restored missing FAST and CAUTIOUS commands (shortcuts for Kermit protocol settings -- ROBUST was still there but FAST and CAUTIOUS were accidentally deleted in C-Kermit 7.0). . Numerous FTP client glitches fixed, including: - GET /BINARY didn't force binary mode. - REGET didn't work at all. - Terminal buffering would sometimes be lost after fullscreen display. - Messages, verbosity, etc. - FTP OPEN /USER: and /PASSWORD: did not expand variables. . Bug fixes: - Date/timestamps in DIRECTORY listings could have extra 0's. - Got rid of bogus secondary lockfile in Solaris. - SET FILE INCOMPLETE DISCARD was not discarding in some cases. - ASK and friends did not allow entry of question mark. - Commands that contain question mark could not be recalled. - HTTP error handling... Remember that the source-code set now includes the security modules, which are now legal to export. Given the appropriate Kerberos, OpenSSL, and/or SRP libraries and header files, you can build secure C-Kermit versions that include secure Telnet, Rlogin, IKSD, and HTTP clients. For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security80.html C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.02 has been built on about 100 different OS/hardware/compiler combinations so far. Please see the binaries list at the end of the web page; if you have a platform that does not have a Beta.02 binary listed, please try building it there and upload the result to: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/cku200b02.xxx where xxx follows the normal convention of makefile entry name, hardware, OS release, whatever was used in C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html#binlist If you have trouble, let me know. Thanks! - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jun 30 17:32:37 EDT 2001 Article: 12550 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.aos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Building C-Kermit on AOS/VS Date: 30 Jun 2001 21:09:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <9hlf62$gr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 993935361 539 128.59.39.2 (30 Jun 2001 21:09:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2001 21:09:22 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.aos:2092 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12550 I don't know if anybody cares any more, and if nobody does it's one less thing for me to worry about, but... Data General, when it still lived, was kind enough to donate an MV2500 to the Kermit Project, and I've used it to build each new release of C-Kermit and make the AOS/VS binary available: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html For the past couple years, the MV's disk has been deteriorating. At first this only affected the Kermit builds -- i/o errors while writing object files, etc (which I could recover by renaming the file that had the bad spot and recompiling). But now I can't boot the OS any more. Well, I know beans about AOS/VS; the DG people set it up for me and I just log in to it, run the build process, test the result, and transfer the binary out. The DG people have the startup script doing all kinds of fancy stuff, like starting INFOS and CEO. I'm not sure what INFOS is, but I know I don't need CEO (The Original Microsoft Office :-) running, and that's where the trouble seems to be: -- Starting the CEO Server Processes -- AOS/VS II FATAL ERROR: 00000026000 on 30-Jun-73 16:23:38 (register dump...) I assume it's hitting bad spots on the disk while loading CEO. At this point it offers to write a dump so I can send a Software Trouble Report to DG :-) Then it runs Emergency Shutdown and prints the SCP-CLI> prompt, which offers no help. The only command that seems to work here is "boot" which only repeats the above sequence. I would like to be able to bring the system up without CEO, but for that I'd need to edit the startup script (if I knew how to find it), and I can't do that unless the system is up. Is there a trick to this? Alternatively, if somebody has an AOS/VS-II system with TCP/IP that I can have Telnet and FTP access to, I can move the builds to there. (Or maybe I already had the last operational AOS/VS system!) Otherwise, AOS/VS Kermit remains frozen at 7.0 in the Kermit Project virtual software museum :-) - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jun 30 17:33:10 EDT 2001 Article: 12551 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 8.0 Beta Date: 30 Jun 2001 21:21:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9hlfsf$10m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 993936079 1046 128.59.39.2 (30 Jun 2001 21:21:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2001 21:21:19 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:292363 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12551 I announced C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.02 yesterday on the Kermit newsgroup: comp.protocols.kermit.misc You can find it here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html Of course I still keep the VMS version current, and built this one on 5.5 through 7.2 with and without various TCP/IP packages (TGV, UCX, TCPware, etc). Can somebody who has VMS 7.3 and a C compiler please try building it there? (Was VMS 7.3 also released for VAX?) Other builds are needed too: . Any pre-5.5 VMS version . VMS 6-point-anything on VAX By the way, the new release of C-Kermit includes a built-in FTP client, which, because it's built-in to C-Kermit, is also fully scriptable and has all the other Kermit file transfer features, such as restart, automatic text/binary-mode switching, character-set translation, and cross-platform recursive directory-tree transfer. But it's only for UNIX. That's because it would take a better VMS programmer than I am to adapt it to VMS, mainly because of all the RMS aspects and the associated FTP protocol tricks used for VMS-to-VMS transfers and/or exporting bizarre VMS file formats to non-VMS systems, etc. If anybody is interested in taking this on, let me know. C-Kermit 8.0 also includes all sorts of security: Kerberos IV and V, SSL/TLS, and SRP. That hasn't been ported to VMS either. Same deal. - Frank From twautele@easynet.be Sun Jul 1 12:00:07 EDT 2001 Article: 12552 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!opentransit.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!snic.vub.ac.be!not-for-mail From: thierry wautelet Newsgroups: comp.os.aos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit on AOS/VS Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:46:38 +0200 Organization: VUB/ULB Computing Centre Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3B3EF17E.FADC44A9@easynet.be> References: <9hlf62$gr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: erasme51051.ulb.ac.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: snic.vub.ac.be 993980724 22955 164.15.151.51 (1 Jul 2001 09:45:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@snic.vub.ac.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 2001 09:45:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: fr Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.aos:2093 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12552 > Well, I know beans about AOS/VS; the DG people set it up for me and I just > log in to it, run the build process, test the result, and transfer the > binary out. The DG people have the startup script doing all kinds of fancy > stuff, like starting INFOS and CEO. I'm not sure what INFOS is, but I know > I don't need CEO (The Original Microsoft Office :-) running, and that's where > the trouble seems to be: > > > Alternatively, if somebody has an AOS/VS-II system with TCP/IP that I can > have Telnet and FTP access to, I can move the builds to there. (Or maybe > I already had the last operational AOS/VS system!) > > Otherwise, AOS/VS Kermit remains frozen at 7.0 in the Kermit Project > virtual software museum :-) > > - Frank INFOS is the database manager. Normaly after the boot procedure you should start a script whose name is generally UP.CLI and you can use SED to edit it and take out CEO if needed. Can't give you access to our MV systems that are still handling most of our hostpital activities here ... Thierry From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 1 12:00:11 EDT 2001 Article: 12553 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.aos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit on AOS/VS Date: 1 Jul 2001 15:59:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9hnhds$a8j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9hlf62$gr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3B3EF17E.FADC44A9@easynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994003196 10515 128.59.39.2 (1 Jul 2001 15:59:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 2001 15:59:56 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.aos:2094 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12553 In article <3B3EF17E.FADC44A9@easynet.be>, thierry wautelet wrote: : ... : Normaly after the boot procedure you should start a script whose name is : generally UP.CLI and you can use SED to edit it and take out CEO if needed. : Evidently UP.CLI executes automatically. So maybe when it begins to start INFOS and CEO, I could ^C^A or ^C^B to interrupt it? But today I don't even get that far -- hard errors when trying to load operating system. Sometimes when this happens, if I let it rest for a few days it goes away. - Frank From news@townleyc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 1 19:36:16 EDT 2001 Article: 12554 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!townleyc.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Chris Townley" Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0 Beta Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: <994029010.909.0.nnrp-08.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk> References: <9hlfsf$10m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: townleyc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: townleyc.demon.co.uk:212.228.95.165 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 994029010 nnrp-08:909 NO-IDENT townleyc.demon.co.uk:212.228.95.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 55 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:292461 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12554 I will have a go on my hobbyist alpha (Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3) However I could not get the download - got a message that IE could not download - server returned extended information. I will hook it down at work and have a go on Monday or Tuesday. Do you want the executables? -- Chris Townley chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk townleyc@spicers.ltd.uk "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:9hlfsf$10m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > > I announced C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.02 yesterday on the Kermit newsgroup: > > comp.protocols.kermit.misc > > You can find it here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html > > Of course I still keep the VMS version current, and built this one > on 5.5 through 7.2 with and without various TCP/IP packages (TGV, > UCX, TCPware, etc). > > Can somebody who has VMS 7.3 and a C compiler please try building > it there? (Was VMS 7.3 also released for VAX?) > > Other builds are needed too: > > . Any pre-5.5 VMS version > . VMS 6-point-anything on VAX > > By the way, the new release of C-Kermit includes a built-in FTP client, > which, because it's built-in to C-Kermit, is also fully scriptable and > has all the other Kermit file transfer features, such as restart, > automatic text/binary-mode switching, character-set translation, and > cross-platform recursive directory-tree transfer. But it's only for UNIX. > That's because it would take a better VMS programmer than I am to adapt > it to VMS, mainly because of all the RMS aspects and the associated FTP > protocol tricks used for VMS-to-VMS transfers and/or exporting bizarre > VMS file formats to non-VMS systems, etc. If anybody is interested in > taking this on, let me know. > > C-Kermit 8.0 also includes all sorts of security: Kerberos IV and V, > SSL/TLS, and SRP. That hasn't been ported to VMS either. Same deal. > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 1 19:36:26 EDT 2001 Article: 12555 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0 Beta Date: 1 Jul 2001 23:36:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-ID: <9hoc61$qit$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9hlfsf$10m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <994029010.909.0.nnrp-08.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994030593 27229 128.59.39.2 (1 Jul 2001 23:36:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 2001 23:36:33 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:292462 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12555 In article <994029010.909.0.nnrp-08.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Townley wrote: : I will have a go on my hobbyist alpha (Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha : V7.3) : : However I could not get the download - got a message that IE could not : download - server returned extended information. : Oops, typo in the link! Fixed now: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/ckv200b02.zip Thanks for noticing. : I will hook it down at work and have a go on Monday or Tuesday. Do you want : the executables? : Yes, please. Here are instructions for VMS C-Kermit binary builders: Here's how to build VMS C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.02 binaries. Note: Replace all "200b02" below with whatever the current edit number and Alpha/Beta designation might be. . Download the VMS source archive: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/ckv200b02.zip . Unzip it into a fresh directory (Let me know if you don't have VMS ZIP/UNZIP). On each VMS computer: . Build the network version: @ckvker (or use "@ckvker m" if "@ckvker" fails) This makes a WERMIT.EXE file, which you can run and use as a Telnet client, etc. Copy WERMIT.EXE to: ckv200b02-PPP-vmsVV-ucxUU.exe where: PPP the platform: "vax" or "axp" VV is the VMS version (two digits, no period) e.g. 62, 73. VV is the UCX version (two digits, no period) e.g. 41, 51. For example: ckv200b02-axp-vms72-ucx51.exe ckv200b02-vax-vms62-ucx41.exe . Build the non-networks version: @ckvker n (or use "@ckvker mn" if "@ckvker n" fails) Rename the non-nets WERMIT.EXE as above, except put "nonet" in the network field, for example: ckv200b02-vax-vms62-nonet.exe ckv200b02-vax-vms73-nonet.exe . Upload all the ckv200b02-*-vms*-*.exe files in binary mode to: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/ . Delete all the ckv200b02-*-vms*-*.exe files if desired. - Frank From the.earth.below@cinenet.net Mon Jul 2 10:03:40 EDT 2001 Article: 12556 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dark Moon Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Building C-Kermit197 on Solaris 2.6 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:35:02 -0700 Organization: Less and less each day.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.92 with YES 0.22 User-Agent: VSoup v1.2.9.47Beta [95/NT] X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 80 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12556 ...with gcc 2.8.1 is not working for me. I will be using this build strictly as a remote on my shell account, so I want only the interactive command parser, and the script and protocol engines. Most of the rest can stay out, as I have a 5 Meg. hard quota. My modified makefile entry: solaris2xgnc: @echo 'Making C-Kermit $(CKVER) for Solaris 2.x with GNU cc...' @echo 'Please read the comments that accompany the solaris2xg target.' $(MAKE) xermit KTARGET=$${KTARGET:-$(@)} CC=gcc CC2=gcc \ "CFLAGS = -g -O2 -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX -DSELECT -DFNFLOAT \ -DDIRENT -DHDBUUCP -DNOUNICODE -DNOCSETS -DNODEBUG -DNOHELP -DNODISPLAY \ -DNONET -DNOLOCAL -DNODIAL -DNOCHANNELIO -DNOXMIT -DNOSCRIPT -DNOIKSD \ -DDCMDBUF -DNOSETKEY $(KFLAGS)" \ "LIBS= -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv" Although I'm using the 'solaris26gnc' target, I decided to modify this one instead for use as a "fall-back", because that was the target that successfully built cku192. Well, first the compiler chokes and dies on an undeclared variable in ckuusr.c. My patch: 316a317,320 > #ifdef OS2ORUNIX > char ftpapp[CKMAXPATH+1] = { NUL, NUL }; /* ftp executable */ > #endif /* OS2ORUNIX */ > So that fixes up that module and we're cruising, until we get to the linker. I rebuilt from scratch a couple of times, first removing the -DPOSIX define and then using 'solaris2xgnc'. In all cases the linker died with: gcc -o wermit \ ckcmai.o ckclib.o ckutio.o ckufio.o \ ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o ckuxla.o \ ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o ckuus3.o \ ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o ckuus7.o \ ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o ckucns.o \ ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o ckusig.o \ ckctel.o ckcuni.o ckupty.o -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv Undefined first referenced symbol in file ck_linger ckcmai.o netflui ckutio.o keepalive ckcmai.o netopen ckutio.o sendbuf ckcmai.o recvbuf ckcmai.o dontroute ckcmai.o netclos ckutio.o ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to wermit *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xermit' Current working directory /var/tmp/kermit *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `solaris2xgnc' What's missing? Are these libraries (or some others) out of date? If I can get the up-to-date sources for just those without having to install all of gcc, I could build those libraries and keep them just long enough to build Kermit (I'm "borrowing" space in /var/tmp :). On another note, I'm building for no network support, so when I first started I left out -lsocket and -lresolv from the linker flags. I got twice as many undefined symbol reports from the linker, pointing to the Kermit networking modules. Of course I did 'make clean', put the flags back in and built again, but...why is sockets support getting built in when I asked for -DNONET (and took out -DTCPSOCKET)? Jeff -- {netcom} ,,/ "...he may not come until the Circle has been \,, {class of /(-\ broken. And his birth shall mark both the /-)\ '94} ,---' /`-' beginning and the ending of an age." '-'\ `----, /( )__)) --M.A.Pierce, _Birth of the Firebringer_ ((,==( )\ _ /_//___\\ __ -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- ___\\ __\\ __ `` `` ~darkmoon~ -- ~the~sky~above~net~ '' '' From peter.meister@tietoenator-nospam.com Mon Jul 2 10:03:51 EDT 2001 Article: 12557 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.enator.se!news From: "pwmeister" Newsgroups: comp.os.aos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit on AOS/VS Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:35:44 +0200 Organization: Enator Lines: 55 Message-ID: <9hp7qv$s9q$1@news1.enator.se> References: <9hlf62$gr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.13.220.80 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.aos:2095 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12557 [snip] > For the past couple years, the MV's disk has been deteriorating. At first > this only affected the Kermit builds -- i/o errors while writing object > files, etc (which I could recover by renaming the file that had the bad > spot and recompiling). But now I can't boot the OS any more. > > Well, I know beans about AOS/VS; the DG people set it up for me and I just > log in to it, run the build process, test the result, and transfer the > binary out. The DG people have the startup script doing all kinds of fancy > stuff, like starting INFOS and CEO. I'm not sure what INFOS is, but I know > I don't need CEO (The Original Microsoft Office :-) running, and that's where > the trouble seems to be: > > -- Starting the CEO Server Processes -- > > AOS/VS II FATAL ERROR: 00000026000 on 30-Jun-73 16:23:38 > (register dump...) > > I assume it's hitting bad spots on the disk while loading CEO. > > At this point it offers to write a dump so I can send a Software Trouble > Report to DG :-) Then it runs Emergency Shutdown and prints the SCP-CLI> > prompt, which offers no help. The only command that seems to work here > is "boot" which only repeats the above sequence. well, you might have serious disk problems. > > I would like to be able to bring the system up without CEO, but for that > I'd need to edit the startup script (if I knew how to find it), and I can't > do that unless the system is up. Is there a trick to this? somewhere along the boot procedure you can bypass the startup macro (if I remember correctly). I'll check my old manuals - and write a line to you tomorrow. Peter Meister From likati2@home.com Mon Jul 2 10:08:10 EDT 2001 Article: 12558 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.md.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tom Gutnick" Newsgroups: comp.os.aos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9hlf62$gr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit on AOS/VS Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:54:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.14.217.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.md.home.com 994078477 65.14.217.114 (Mon, 02 Jul 2001 05:54:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 05:54:37 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.aos:2096 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12558 Ouch -- my brain hurts trying to remember what I knew 10 years ago! 8^) Your MV/2500 was probably set up to run something called SMI -- System Management Interface, which would, among other things, automatically invoke UP.CLI (the startup script) after the OS boots. On a non-SMI system, early in the boot process there is a question "Would you like to override default specs?"; I don't remember for sure, but I suspect that with SMI, the question still pops up but times out quickly and defaults to "no". If you can answer "Y", you'll then be presented with a bunch of other questions, one of which should allow you to bypass the startup script. If you can make it that far, I can help you edit the script. If you're not using CEO, no need to run it. And if you're not running CEO, then you won't need to run INFOS either. Once we eliminate those, your system will come up quicker and run faster. I trust you've been making good backups of the stuff? Another thing we can do is run the disk formatter to remap the bad disk blocks. (Depending on the nature of the hardware problem, that may eliminate your problem or not.) I can help you with that also, although it will take wracking my brain a bit more. (I was a DG systems engineer for many years, but haven't touched an MV in the past few years.) Good luck, Tom From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 2 10:08:21 EDT 2001 Article: 12559 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit197 on Solaris 2.6 Date: 2 Jul 2001 14:03:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 95 Message-ID: <9hpuuk$hk6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994082580 18054 128.59.39.2 (2 Jul 2001 14:03:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2001 14:03:00 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12559 In article , Dark Moon wrote: : ...with gcc 2.8.1 is not working for me. I will be using this build ... : Please try C-Kermit 8.0 Beta. It does not have any problems compiling with the combination of flags that you have selected. http://www.kermit-project.org/ck80.html From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 2 10:08:41 EDT 2001 Article: 12560 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit197 on Solaris 2.6 Date: 2 Jul 2001 14:03:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-ID: <9hpv0a$hn0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994082634 18144 128.59.39.2 (2 Jul 2001 14:03:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2001 14:03:54 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12560 In article , Dark Moon wrote: : ...with gcc 2.8.1 is not working for me. I will be using this build : strictly as a remote on my shell account, so I want only the interactive : command parser, and the script and protocol engines. Most of the rest : can stay out, as I have a 5 Meg. hard quota. : You might consider sidestepping the problem by getting your system administrators to install the full Beta. : My modified makefile entry: : Obviously, not every combination of feature-selection options has been tested; custom builds will need some fine tuning. If all you want is to save space, try building with Sun cc if you have it; this cuts the size about in half -- for some reason gcc generates huge executables on Solaris. For example on Solaris 8 Sparc: -rwxrwxr-x 1 fdc 2322348 Jun 29 14:17 cku200b02.solaris8-sparc <-- cc -rwxrwxr-x 1 fdc 4193256 Jun 29 14:18 cku200b02.solaris8g-sparc <-- gcc (and similarly on x86). Many of the feature-deselection options you added to your makefile target are implied by NOLOCAL or NOCSETS. If you just do: make solaris26x "KFLAGS -DNOLOCAL -DNOCSETS -DNODEBUG" it should build OK and give you an executable less than half the size of the full-featured one. Any reductions beyond that will be just small change (law of diminishing returns). Testing this on Linux: -rwxrwx--- 1 fdc 1984671 Jul 2 09:40 kermit <-- Full build -rwxrwx--- 1 fdc 935148 Jul 2 09:37 wermit <-- With above KFLAGS (it built with no errors). By the way, for reference, here are the effects of some of the feature deselection switches used in isolation on Linux/i386, RH7.0, gcc 2.96: Build Size Savings Description Full 1984671 - NOSPL 1667990 316681 No Script Programming Language NOCSETS 1607616 377055 No Character-set conversions NONET 1710743 273928 No networks NOFTP 1843513 141158 No FTP client NODEBUG 1769572 215099 No debugging NOHELP 1699954 284717 No HELP NOLOCAL 1445894 538777 Remote only - no making connections NODIAL 1844366 140305 No DIAL command or modem database NOXFER 1452623 532048 No file transfer NOICP 479462 1505209 No Interactive Command Parser Again, not all combinations of these switches have been tested or are guaranteed to work. But I'll look at your report in more detail before the final 8.0 release. As for the link errors, don't bother removing -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv from the LIBS clause; they're dynamic libraries and are not loaded if they are not used. They don't add anything to the executable. (And when I tried building on Linux the above KFLAGS and the sockets libraries removed from the LIBS clause, I got no errors at all, so maybe you had some old objects laying around after all.) - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 2 10:09:12 EDT 2001 Article: 12561 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.aos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit on AOS/VS Date: 2 Jul 2001 14:08:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9hpv8q$i0b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9hlf62$gr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994082906 18443 128.59.39.2 (2 Jul 2001 14:08:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2001 14:08:26 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.aos:2097 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12561 In article , Tom Gutnick wrote: : Ouch -- my brain hurts trying to remember what I knew 10 years ago! 8^) : Your MV/2500 was probably set up to run something called SMI -- System : Management Interface, which would, among other things, automatically invoke : UP.CLI (the startup script) after the OS boots. On a non-SMI system, early : in the boot process there is a question "Would you like to override default : specs?"; I don't remember for sure, but I suspect that with SMI, the : question still pops up but times out quickly and defaults to "no". If you : can answer "Y", you'll then be presented with a bunch of other questions, : one of which should allow you to bypass the startup script. : : If you can make it that far, I can help you edit the script. If you're not : using CEO, no need to run it. And if you're not running CEO, then you won't : need to run INFOS either. Once we eliminate those, your system will come up : quicker and run faster. : Sounds like a plan, thanks; I'll contact you offline. : I trust you've been making good backups of the stuff? : Unfortunately, the machine has no removeable media. The 9-track tape died years ago, leaving only some kind of weird cartridge drive which not even DG knew how to work, and for which there are no cartridges. : Another thing we can do is run the disk formatter to remap the bad disk : blocks. (Depending on the nature of the hardware problem, that may : eliminate your problem or not.) : If a bad block is in the operating system file, mapping it out would probably be a bad thing. Thanks again! - Frank From me@play.net Wed Jul 4 13:08:49 EDT 2001 Article: 12562 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit197 on Solaris 2.6 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 00:53:53 -0700 Organization: Less and less each day.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9hpuuk$hk6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.92 with YES 0.22 User-Agent: VSoup v1.2.9.47Beta [95/NT] X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12562 As seen from comp.protocols.kermit.misc, on 2 Jul 2001 14:03:00 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >Please try C-Kermit 8.0 Beta. It does not have any problems compiling >with the combination of flags that you have selected. So I did, and so it doesn't! :) Thanks Jeff, Frank. -- {netcom} ,,/ "...he may not come until the Circle has been \,, {class of /(-\ broken. And his birth shall mark both the /-)\ '94} ,---' /`-' beginning and the ending of an age." '-'\ `----, /( )__)) --M.A.Pierce, _Birth of the Firebringer_ ((,==( )\ _ /_//___\\ __ -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- ___\\ __\\ __ `` `` ~darkmoon~ -- ~the~sky~above~net~ '' '' From joerg.bohnsack@dematic.de Thu Jul 5 11:23:30 EDT 2001 Article: 12568 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!fu-berlin.de!do.de.uu.net!feeder01.news.de.uu.net!news.mannesmann.de!not-for-mail From: "Jörg Bohnsack" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to transfer "readable" textfiles from PDP11 to Windows NT? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:06:12 +0200 Organization: mannesmann.de Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9i1vov$7dg10@sunny.mannesmann.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.233.32.212 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12568 I tried to tranfer a textfile from a PDP11 to a Windows-NT-PC. On the PDP11 Kermit T2.27 was running in server mode. On the local PC i used the Kermit-Tool delivered with SmarTermX 7.0b. After the transfer i wasn't able to read the textfile in an editor on the Windows-PC. I tried to change several parameters on the server like ascii and binary filetype or variable or stream records but nothing worked. If someone had the same problem and knows a solution for that problem i would glad to hear about it. Thanks From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 5 11:23:34 EDT 2001 Article: 12569 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to transfer "readable" textfiles from PDP11 to Windows NT? Date: 5 Jul 2001 15:23:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9i20q2$raa$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9i1vov$7dg10@sunny.mannesmann.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994346626 27978 128.59.39.2 (5 Jul 2001 15:23:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2001 15:23:46 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12569 In article <9i1vov$7dg10@sunny.mannesmann.de>, Jörg Bohnsack wrote: : I tried to tranfer a textfile from a PDP11 to a Windows-NT-PC. : On the PDP11 Kermit T2.27 was running in server mode. : Wow, that is a REALLY old Kermit version. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html for a list of current PDP-11 versions. : On the local PC i used the Kermit-Tool delivered with SmarTermX 7.0b. : After the transfer i wasn't able to read the textfile in an editor on the : Windows-PC. : If you use a real Kermit program on the PC, we can help you: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : I tried to change several parameters on the server like ascii and binary : filetype or variable or stream records but nothing worked. : Obviously it should work if both sides are set to text, but SmarTermX is not our product; we don't know anything about it and can't guess what it does or how it works. - Frank From keithuse@synco_pator.com Thu Jul 5 17:43:32 EDT 2001 Article: 12570 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: keithuse@synco_pator.com (Keith Doyle) Subject: Any way to alter Kermit "quit" so I don't have to "kill?" Reply-To: keithuse@synco_pator.com (Keith Doyle) Organization: Rexx Electronic Communications X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Lines: 120 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:28:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.167.89.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 994368525 207.167.89.8 (Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:28:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:28:45 PDT X-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:26:29 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12570 Hi, I've been using a dialing program under Linux that will connect to a shell account and do a bunch of intelligent stuff including transfer files. I had been using Zmodem via lrz/lsz with success for a long time, but I'm finding it's just not working anymore, due to the fact that I can only connect to the target machine now via some kind of POP service that uses telnet and is none too transparent. It may even be 7 bit, it's not clear, and I have no control over it. At any rate, I found that I could manually use kermit to perform a successful transfer. So I figured the obvious thing to do was to replace my lrz/lsz logic with C-kermit equivalents. This worked fine but with one problem-- after the transfer finished, C-kermit does something that causes a disconnect. So, I did some research on deja/google and found some references to some mention of the subject in a documentation file somewhere: >Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX >C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit >made. They quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the >connection is gone before they can start the other application. > >It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every >file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX. >Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up. >There is nothing the process can do about it. > >However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few: > > . Read about the REDIRECT command in the ckcker.upd file. > > . Find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by > C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program > from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through > shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the > other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc). > > . After Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the > filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, then delete the lock > file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty > device. Now my original approach used lrz something like the following: lrz /dev/modem Since this doesn't hang up the line, I presume that the issue is NOT "close" of the device. So I tried serveral things. I noticed that it is possible to pass in an open file descriptor and have kermit use that. But, I gathered you can't just do: kermit -r -i -l 0 /dev/modem According to the bash spec, this should open descriptor 3 for read/write. Couldn't get this to work though. I then noticed that "modem type" was a setting which included a code for hangup-- usually ATH0 or something. Maybe this was the problem I thought, and did a "set modem none" in the .kermrc to try to circumvent it. No effect. So lastly, I figured ok, let's see if it really is the close of the device or something *specific* kermit is doing on exit. I manually invoked kermit so that it wouldn't exit, and instead of doing a "quit" after the transfer, I switched to another window and did a kill -9 on the kermit process. Voila! no disconnect occurred. So, I've since implemented a solution to the problem which entails a kermit script that does something like this: set modem none set line /dev/modem set file type bin receive !/tmp/killkerm And invokes kermit like this: echo "kill -9 $$" >/tmp/killkerm chmod a+x /tmp/killkerm exec kermit -y kermitscript And it works like a choim. However, it is a major kludge. I'm using it because it works, but does anyone know how I can get kermit to NOT do whatever it is doing to the device before it exits so I don't have use kill? Perhaps it's doing some kind of rude stty/ioctl that's causing it? -- Keith Doyle (to send me an E-letter, remove underbars in reply address) "Simple ain't easy." -- Thelonious Monk From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 5 17:43:36 EDT 2001 Article: 12571 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to alter Kermit "quit" so I don't have to "kill?" Date: 5 Jul 2001 21:43:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 110 Message-ID: <9i2n2o$dgn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994369432 13847 128.59.39.2 (5 Jul 2001 21:43:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2001 21:43:52 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12571 In article , Keith Doyle wrote: : I've been using a dialing program under Linux that will connect : to a shell account and do a bunch of intelligent stuff including : transfer files. I had been using Zmodem via lrz/lsz with success : for a long time, but I'm finding it's just not working anymore, : due to the fact that I can only connect to the target machine now : via some kind of POP service that uses telnet and is none too : transparent. It may even be 7 bit, it's not clear, and I have : no control over it. : : At any rate, I found that I could manually use kermit to perform : a successful transfer. So I figured the obvious thing to do was to : replace my lrz/lsz logic with C-kermit equivalents. This worked : fine but with one problem-- after the transfer finished, C-kermit : does something that causes a disconnect. So, I did some research : on deja/google and found some references to some mention of the : subject in a documentation file somewhere: : : >Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX : >C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit : >made. They quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the : >connection is gone before they can start the other application. : > : >It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every : >file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX. : >Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up. : >There is nothing the process can do about it. : > : >However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few: : > : > . Read about the REDIRECT command in the ckcker.upd file. : > : > . Find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by : > C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program : > from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through : > shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the : > other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc). : > : > . After Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the : > filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, then delete the lock : > file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty : > device. : : : Now my original approach used lrz something like the following: : : lrz /dev/modem : : Since this doesn't hang up the line, I presume that the issue is NOT : "close" of the device. : Right -- it uses the open stdin/stdout file descriptors, which have been redirected from/to the modem. Since the lrz program uses stdin/out, it never opens or closes it. : So I tried serveral things. I noticed that it is possible to pass in : an open file descriptor and have kermit use that. But, I gathered : you can't just do: : : kermit -r -i -l 0 /tmp/killkerm : chmod a+x /tmp/killkerm : exec kermit -y kermitscript : : And it works like a choim. However, it is a major kludge. : Yes indeed. : I'm using : it because it works, but does anyone know how I can get kermit to NOT : do whatever it is doing to the device before it exits so I don't have : use kill? Perhaps it's doing some kind of rude stty/ioctl that's : causing it? : Try the first method (-l 0) and see what happens. If that doesn't work, what I'd recommend is to let Kermit handle everything -- dialing, terminal session, and file transfer. That's what it's designed for. In any case, let us know what happens and we'll see what to do next. - Frank From keithuse@synco_pator.com Fri Jul 6 09:50:31 EDT 2001 Article: 12572 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: keithuse@synco_pator.com (Keith Doyle) Subject: Re: Any way to alter Kermit "quit" so I don't have to "kill?" References: <9i2n2o$dgn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: keithuse@synco_pator.com (Keith Doyle) Organization: Rexx Electronic Communications X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Lines: 121 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 05:17:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.167.89.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 994396654 207.167.89.8 (Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:17:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:17:34 PDT X-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:15:20 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12572 In article <9i2n2o$dgn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , >Keith Doyle wrote: >: >: Now my original approach used lrz something like the following: >: >: lrz /dev/modem >: >: Since this doesn't hang up the line, I presume that the issue is NOT >: "close" of the device. >: >Right -- it uses the open stdin/stdout file descriptors, which have >been redirected from/to the modem. Since the lrz program uses stdin/out, >it never opens or closes it. Though the shell does-- and that doesn't cause a disconnect. Also, neither does this simple C program, run in place of the kermit or lrz/lsz, so I'm inclined to doubt it's the close that's responsible for the disconnect: -------------------------------------------------------------- #include #include main() { int d; d = open("/dev/modem",O_RDWR); sleep(4); close(d); exit (0); } -------------------------------------------------------------- >: So I tried serveral things. I noticed that it is possible to pass in >: an open file descriptor and have kermit use that. But, I gathered >: you can't just do: >: >: kermit -r -i -l 0 : >: As this is only open for input, and kermit is going to need bidirectional >: I/O on the FD. >: >Did you try it? Yes, with no success. It never seemed to negotiate with the other end and start the transfer. I'll have to report back on more specific details when I try it again... >: So lastly, I figured ok, let's see if it really is the close of the >: device or something *specific* kermit is doing on exit. I manually >: invoked kermit so that it wouldn't exit, and instead of doing a "quit" >: after the transfer, I switched to another window and did a kill -9 >: on the kermit process. Voila! no disconnect occurred. >: >Because you killed Kermit and it couldn't close the device. Meanwhile >another process had it open, right? That's why you didn't carrier drop >or whatever. Even on a kill of that sort, Unix does the close, I believe. And as noted, the C test program specifically closes and that doesn't cause a disconnect. You can try something similar yourself, using another kermit process itself to simulate my driver program: 1. From a unix box, Start a kermit session on a modem, and dial a system 2. escape to the command line 3. shell out 4. run my little test program on the apropriate /dev (/dev/modem in my case). Note no disconnect. 5. Remove the kermit lock file (only so you can run a second kermit on the port) 6. run a second kermit (from the original kermit shell-out) on the same /dev and then just do a quit. 7. Kermit will warn you there may be an active connection, and ask you if you still want to exit. Your choice is to either not-exit or say yes you want to exit at which point it disconnects the line. I believe if it just did a "close" and then an "exit" here things would be ok, but more is going on. >Try the first method (-l 0) and see what happens. If that doesn't work, >what I'd recommend is to let Kermit handle everything -- dialing, terminal >session, and file transfer. That's what it's designed for. That may be what it's designed for, but I already have an exceedingly complex program that originally used zmodem that I'm not going to rewrite from scratch in a specialized script language I would have to learn special for that one purpose, when all I need is something that implements the protocol without mucking with the connection-- I just want to plug in a replacement protocol without rewriting the whole schmeer. "kermit -r -i -l 0 In any case, let us know what happens and we'll see what to do next. If there's a way to make the FD approach work, it's worth investigating further. I presume it should work, but there's something I must not be doing right to set it up. I'll try it a little more and report back more specific on what I tried and how it acts. Thanks for the response-- I do get the idea that kermit in general is a far more sophisticated program than zmodem (certainly way more robust a protocol) but I must admit I rather like the modularity of keeping the protocol separate from the scripting... -- Keith Doyle (to send me an E-letter, remove underbars in reply address) "Simple ain't easy." -- Thelonious Monk From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 6 09:50:36 EDT 2001 Article: 12573 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to alter Kermit "quit" so I don't have to "kill?" Date: 6 Jul 2001 13:50:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 85 Message-ID: <9i4fnt$8jh$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9i2n2o$dgn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994427453 8817 128.59.39.2 (6 Jul 2001 13:50:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2001 13:50:53 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12573 In article , Keith Doyle wrote: : ... : Though the shell does-- and that doesn't cause a disconnect. : : Also, neither does this simple C program, run in place of the : kermit or lrz/lsz, so I'm inclined to doubt it's the close that's : responsible for the disconnect: : When a program exits, all of its file descriptors are closed. If they were not open already by some other process, this is a "last close", and for serial ports, the driver sets DTR low. How that affects whatever is connected to the port depends on how that thing is configured - e.g. modems can be configured to ignore DTR. When C-Kermit closes a serial port for which a SET MODEM TYPE (other than NONE or DIRECT) has been given, it also sends the modem's hangup command, e.g. ATH0, if MODEM HANGUP-METHOD is MODEM-COMMAND. Use SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232-SIGNAL to undo this. : d = open("/dev/modem",O_RDWR); : This should make DTR come on. : sleep(4); : close(d); : This should make DTR go off. : exit (0); : And if that didn't, this should. : 7. Kermit will warn you there may be an active connection, and ask you if : you still want to exit. Your choice is to either not-exit or say yes : you want to exit at which point it disconnects the line. I believe if : it just did a "close" and then an "exit" here things would be ok, but : more is going on. : You can avoid the warning with SET EXIT WARNING OFF. : >Try the first method (-l 0) and see what happens. If that doesn't work, : >what I'd recommend is to let Kermit handle everything -- dialing, terminal : >session, and file transfer. That's what it's designed for. : : That may be what it's designed for, but I already have an exceedingly : complex program that originally used zmodem that I'm not going to rewrite : from scratch in a specialized script language I would have to learn : special for that one purpose... : Don't blame us for a "specialized script language". It predates all your other favorite ones except maybe Bourne shell and DCL, and it's also probably more portable. , when all I need is something that : implements the protocol without mucking with the connection-- I just want : to plug in a replacement protocol without rewriting the whole schmeer. : Then use G-Kermit instead of C-Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html You can think of G-Kermit as Kermit's answer to lrz/lsz. It transfers files over stdio, which it does not open or close, and can be redirected. See the description of the -X option. : If there's a way to make the FD approach work, it's worth investigating : further. I presume it should work, but there's something I must not be : doing right to set it up. I'll try it a little more and report back more : specific on what I tried and how it acts. Thanks for the response-- I do : get the idea that kermit in general is a far more sophisticated program than : zmodem (certainly way more robust a protocol) but I must admit I rather like : the modularity of keeping the protocol separate from the scripting... : This is the UNIX philosophy, but of course Kermit software (including C-Kermit) is not just for UNIX. Anyway, experience shows that automating complex communications tasks works better with an integrated script engine than by, say, grafting 'expect' onto 'telnet' or 'cu' or 'ftp' or whatever. For a brief discussion of this idea (as it applies to FTP) see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 6 11:33:45 EDT 2001 Article: 12574 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Login Script to Portservers Date: 6 Jul 2001 15:18:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 106 Message-ID: <9i4krb$c8u$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d30cee2.0106290810.737e6c04@posting.google.com> <9hku16$j3a$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994432683 12574 128.59.39.2 (6 Jul 2001 15:18:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2001 15:18:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.sco.misc:135277 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12574 In article , Don Yakubowski wrote: : "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message : news:9hku16$j3a$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... : > In article <4d30cee2.0106290810.737e6c04@posting.google.com>, : > Stephen wrote: : > : I have two Digi Portservers II attached to a SCO 5.05 host server. I : > : need to write a login script to a the portservers to reboot them : > : automatically. In contacting Digi I was told there is no way to set up : > : an auto reboot on the portserver itself and need to write a login : > : script to accomplish the task. Any help would be appreciated. : > : : > You can use C-Kermit, which is (among other things) a Telnet client with : > built-in scripting: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : > : > Scripting tutorials are here: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html : : I have used a sh script that echoed the required commands to a pipe into : telnet. : For eg. : echo "open your_portserver" : sleep 2 : echo "root" : sleep 2 : echo "portserver_password" : sleep 2 : echo "b a=r" : sleep 2 : This kind of thing is fine when it works, but it has no possibility of detecting errors or recovering from them, synchronizing with host prompts etc (for example, consider that the Password: prompt is usually issued only after the host flushes any typeahead in its input buffer). Here's the corresponding script in C-Kermit: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit set host your_portserver ; Make the connection if fail exit 1 Connection failed ; Check for failure input 10 login: ; Wait 10 sec for login prompt if fail exit 1 No login prompt ; Make sure it arrived lineout root ; Send user ID input 5 Password: ; Wait 5 sec for Password prompt lineout portserver_password ; Send password input 5 > ; Wait portserver command prompt if fail exit 1 No command prompt ; Check for failure lineout b a=r ; Send a command ; add more dialog here... close ; Close the connection About the same number of lines, and you get both synchroniztion and error detection. The script does not plow ahead, blindly sending strings to the host, if some critical step fails. Every prompt is answered instantly (the timeout values are a maximum amount of time to wait for the prompt -- obviously you can adjust them -- they are not fixed sleep intervals.) Add a few more lines, and you can get error recovery. For example, suppose your port server requires an unpredictable number of carriage returns before it issues its login prompt. Replace: input 10 login: if fail exit 1 No login prompt with: for \%i 1 15 1 { lineout ; Send a carriage return input 10 login: ; Wait 10 sec for login prompt if success break ; If we get it breat out of the loop } if > \%i 15 exit 1 No login prompt Also note that it's not a great idea to store passwords in script files. You can have your Kermit script prompt you for the password at runtime: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit set host your_portserver if fail exit 1 Connection failed undefine \%p while not defined \%p { askq \%p {Portserver Password: } } for \%i 1 15 1 { lineout ; Send a carriage return input 10 login: ; Wait 10 sec for login prompt if success break ; If we get it breat out of the loop } if > \%i 15 exit 1 No login prompt lineout root input 5 Password: lineout \%p input 5 > ; or whatever the portserver command prompt is lineout b a=r ; add more dialog here, as much as you want... close And so on. Pretty much any way you can think of to enhance the script, you can do easily. For example, suppose the portserver supports Kermit protocol (as many do) for importing configuration information, patches, etc. Since it's Kermit executing your script, all it takes is a "send" command to upload files. - Frank From Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] Sun Jul 8 12:54:44 EDT 2001 Article: 12578 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.harvard.edu!purdue!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: 7 Jul 2001 19:13:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20010708021331.7740.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Jul 2001 02:13:31 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Author-Address: leganii surfree com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.3 X-Sent-From: leganii@surfree.com Subject: Kermit article spotted Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 21 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12578 Don't know if anyone else that reads this group noticed this. During lunch, I noticed an article about Kermit in the 18 June 2001 issue of 'MicroTimes Magazine' pages 103 & 105, a freebie I'd picked up at the grocery store. ("When You Say 'Jump,' Kermit Asks, 'How High?'", by Alan Winston) I dug around a bit on their web site, and found it online at http://www.microtimes.com/222/infwinston222a.html Regards, Dallas E. Legan II / leganii @ surfree .com Powered by......Lynx, the Internet at hyperkinetic speed. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 8 12:55:03 EDT 2001 Article: 12579 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit compile fails Date: 8 Jul 2001 16:52:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <9ia35a$10d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B475279.51288D3@attglobal.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994611178 1037 128.59.39.2 (8 Jul 2001 16:52:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2001 16:52:58 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu linux.redhat.misc:67390 comp.os.linux.misc:507232 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12579 In article <3B475279.51288D3@attglobal.net>, John Thompson wrote: : I'm trying to compile C-Kermit-7.0.197-7 from the src rpm but it : fails with this error: : : [...clip] : : Am I missing some external function or what? Running linux : kernel 2.2.18 on i686 with 256MB. Kerberos, openssl and pam rpms : include: [...] : As you can imagine, the frequent Linux (and Kerberos) releases tend to pull the rug out from under Kermit. The Kermit source you are trying to build from is "old" by Linux standards. Please get the C-Kermit 8.0 Beta sources from here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html and try building the same target, or, if you have a full Red Hat 7.1 installation (including developer tools and Kerberos), just try: make redhat71 which builds a version that includes Kerberos V, SSL/TLS, and shadow passwords. Then if you still have trouble, please read: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security80.html about where to get compatible security libraries and headers. If you STILL have trouble, send a report by e-mail to: kermit-support@columbia.edu or follow up here. Once C-Kermit 8.0 is released, Red Hat is welcome to include it in the regular distribution, complete with security, so it's "just there" for everybody, without all the downloading, building, and installing hassle. - Frank From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Mon Jul 9 11:37:51 EDT 2001 Article: 12580 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Modem multi port Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:43:34 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3b49c4fb$0$38326$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 994690301 reader1.news.skynet.be 38326 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12580 I try to launch 4 kermit session to receive data coming from 4 modem. The 4 modems are located on the same PCI card of the computer. I have receive with the modem, the inf file. I use TAPI... First kermit session: I set the tapi line for the first... ok Second kermit session: I set the tapi line for the second.... Access denied ... What the difference between the set tapi line and the set tapi port? Are there other things i have to take care of? And...Is it really possible to use this kind of modem with kermit? From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 9 11:38:05 EDT 2001 Article: 12581 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem multi port Date: 9 Jul 2001 15:27:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <9icign$clp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3b49c4fb$0$38326$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994692439 12985 128.59.39.2 (9 Jul 2001 15:27:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2001 15:27:19 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12581 In article <3b49c4fb$0$38326$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>, Nathan Rousseau wrote: : I try to launch 4 kermit session to receive data coming from 4 modem. : The 4 modems are located on the same PCI card of the computer. : I have receive with the modem, the inf file. : I use TAPI... : First kermit session: I set the tapi line for the first... ok : Second kermit session: I set the tapi line for the second.... Access denied : ... : : What the difference between the set tapi line and the set tapi port? No difference You cannot simply use SET TAPI LINE if you want to use separate devices. You need to actually specify the device names SET TAPI LINE device1 SET TAPI LINE device2 SET TAPI LINE device3 SET TAPI LINE device4 Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From era@eracc.hypermart.net Tue Jul 10 15:17:26 EDT 2001 Article: 12583 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!fu-berlin.de!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: era@eracc.hypermart.net (ERA) Reply-To: era@eracc.hypermart.net Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.os.linux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet References: <3B4B30F8.ECAD039C@psychodad.com> User-Agent: ProNews/2 V1.51.ib102 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Is-It-News: yes Lines: 31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:59:55 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:59:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu alt.os.linux:214657 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12583 On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:44:40, "Michael D. Kirkpatrick" wrote: .. > This may not be the place to ask, but here it goes. > > Do you know of a good telnet program that will work on windows that > can telnet to linux machines with the following attributes?: > 1. Can login as a normal user > 2. Issue commands > 3. Wait for responses and continue issuing more commands. Kermit 95 - http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Also check http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search in the NG comp.protocols.kermit.misc for specific posts regarding your question there. Then if you still have questions subscribe to and post in that group. I've crossposted this reply to that group so you may have some answers in there by the time you check. Followups should go there as well. Good luck! Gene -- +=========================-=>Unix & OS/2<=-=========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # # OS/2, UnixWare, OpenServer & Linux Business Computing Solutions # # Please visit our www pages at http://eracc.hypermart.net/ # +===================================================================+ We run IBM OS/2 v.4.00, Revision 9.036 Sysinfo: 38 Processes, 152 Threads, uptime is 0d 15h 4m 37s 216ms From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 10 15:29:04 EDT 2001 Article: 12584 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: alt.os.linux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet Date: 10 Jul 2001 19:29:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9ifl2i$l5t$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B4B30F8.ECAD039C@psychodad.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994793362 21693 128.59.39.2 (10 Jul 2001 19:29:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 2001 19:29:22 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu alt.os.linux:214660 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12584 In article , ERA wrote: : On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:44:40, "Michael D. Kirkpatrick" : wrote: : > ... : > Do you know of a good telnet program that will work on windows that : > can telnet to linux machines with the following attributes?: : > 1. Can login as a normal user : > 2. Issue commands : > 3. Wait for responses and continue issuing more commands. : : Kermit 95 - http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : And for examples of Telnet session scripting, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95scripts.html - Frank From wizard@psychodad.com Tue Jul 10 18:59:26 EDT 2001 Article: 12585 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!news.nask.pl!news.ipartners.pl!news.man.poznan.pl!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader3.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B4B5EF7.90351641@psychodad.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:00:55 -0500 From: "Michael D. Kirkpatrick" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet References: <3B4B30F8.ECAD039C@psychodad.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.229.133.114 X-Trace: reader3.news.uu.net 994795285 7142 205.229.133.114 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12585 ERA wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:44:40, "Michael D. Kirkpatrick" > wrote: > > .. > > This may not be the place to ask, but here it goes. > > > > Do you know of a good telnet program that will work on windows that > > can telnet to linux machines with the following attributes?: > > 1. Can login as a normal user > > 2. Issue commands > > 3. Wait for responses and continue issuing more commands. > > Kermit 95 - http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > > Also check http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search in the NG > comp.protocols.kermit.misc for specific posts regarding your question > there. Then if you still have questions subscribe to and post in that > group. I've crossposted this reply to that group so you may have some > answers in there by the time you check. Followups should go there as > well. > > Good luck! > Gene > -- > +=========================-=>Unix & OS/2<=-=========================+ > # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # > # OS/2, UnixWare, OpenServer & Linux Business Computing Solutions # > # Please visit our www pages at http://eracc.hypermart.net/ # > +===================================================================+ > We run IBM OS/2 v.4.00, Revision 9.036 > Sysinfo: 38 Processes, 152 Threads, uptime is 0d 15h 4m 37s 216ms Thanks a lot. I found a free scripting tool at: http://www.er.uqam.ca/merlin/fg591543/tst/index.html Thanks for your help. From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Wed Jul 11 09:41:32 EDT 2001 Article: 12586 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No carrier Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:17:11 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3b4c37a0$0$62196$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 994850721 reader1.news.skynet.be 62196 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12586 I use one computer with kermit/TAPI modem Using SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF doesn't change anything I use a second computer to connect to the first one. Sometimes, I can't establish the connection.... I receive NO CARRIER What can be the source of the problem? Can it be the cable quality? Where and when must i specify CARRIER-WATCH ON/OFF As always Thanks in advance And thanks again for all the help i receive Nathan Rousseau From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 11 09:41:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12587 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No carrier Date: 11 Jul 2001 13:41:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9ihl30$lv5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3b4c37a0$0$62196$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994858912 22501 128.59.39.2 (11 Jul 2001 13:41:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2001 13:41:52 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12587 In article <3b4c37a0$0$62196$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>, Nathan Rousseau wrote: : I use one computer with kermit/TAPI modem : Using SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF doesn't change anything : : I use a second computer to connect to the first one. : : Sometimes, I can't establish the connection.... I receive NO CARRIER : NO CARRIER means the calling modem was not able to negotiate a data connection with the answering modem. This can happen for many reasons: 1. You dialed the wrong number. 2. The answering modem was turned off. 3. The answering modem was not in ANSWER mode. 4. The modems are incompatible or buggy. 5. The telephone connection was very bad. : Where and when must i specify CARRIER-WATCH ON/OFF : SET CARRIER-WATCH affects the CALLING Kermit. It means: "let me enter CONNECT mode even if the serial port is not detecting the carrier signal". It is used primarily for direct (port-to-port, no-modem) connections. It has nothing to do with dialing. : As always Thanks in advance : And thanks again for all the help i receive : What commands have you given to Kermit 95 to make it answer the call? - Frank From jrd@cc.usu.edu Thu Jul 12 11:37:24 EDT 2001 Article: 12589 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Testing for active telnet session in MSK316? Message-ID: Date: 12 Jul 01 07:16:32 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12589 In article , writes: > \v(tcpip_status) always shows 0, but MSK316 knows when a tcp session is > active becaue it does not run 'session1' unless it is. I need to test > for an active session for a script. Anyone know a workaround? > > Jeff --------- The scripting modules see only a single pathway to the TCP code and thus the number of active sessions is invisible to scripts. It is a consequence of making the TCP material removable upon request when building the program. If this is a very serious difficulty please let me know and I can look at the situation when I get back from travels in early August. Joe D. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 12 13:51:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12590 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for VxWorks Date: 12 Jul 2001 12:39:22 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994955987 24780 128.59.39.2 (12 Jul 2001 16:39:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 2001 16:39:47 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41641 comp.arch.embedded:108301 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12590 >From time to time, we get requests for Kermit file transfer software for VxWorks. I'd like to be able satisfy them. Does VxWorks have a C compiler, the basic minimum well-known header files, a C library, and a make program? Does it support the UNIX notion of standard i/o? If so, then maybe it's just a simple matter of getting the G-Kermit sources files onto VxWorks and typing "make": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html Would anybody care to give it a try and report back? Thanks! Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From ddotson@digidata.com Thu Jul 12 13:51:58 EDT 2001 Article: 12591 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com> From: Doug Dotson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:30:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.56.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 994958838 64.56.56.161 (Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:27:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:27:18 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41645 comp.arch.embedded:108304 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12591 It shouldn't be too much of a problem to port it. vxWorks is a bit different in that you don't build executables in the UNIX sense. You build .o files and they are linked when loaded. There is no main(). But if you changed main() to kermit() you should be OK. Argument typed on the command line are mapped into the function arguments. You will have to change some header files and the makefile won't work as it is. DOug Frank da Cruz wrote: > From time to time, we get requests for Kermit file transfer software > for VxWorks. I'd like to be able satisfy them. > > Does VxWorks have a C compiler, the basic minimum well-known header > files, a C library, and a make program? Does it support the UNIX > notion of standard i/o? If so, then maybe it's just a simple matter > of getting the G-Kermit sources files onto VxWorks and typing "make": > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html > > Would anybody care to give it a try and report back? Thanks! > > Frank da Cruz > The Kermit Project > Columbia University > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 12 14:00:26 EDT 2001 Article: 12592 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Date: 12 Jul 2001 18:00:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9ikojr$r9c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994960827 27948 128.59.39.2 (12 Jul 2001 18:00:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 2001 18:00:27 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41646 comp.arch.embedded:108306 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12592 In article <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com>, Doug Dotson wrote: : It shouldn't be too much of a problem to port it. vxWorks is : a bit different in that you don't build executables in the UNIX : sense. You build .o files and they are linked when loaded. There : is no main(). But if you changed main() to kermit() you should be : OK. Argument typed on the command line are mapped into the : function arguments. You will have to change some header files : and the makefile won't work as it is. : I'd be glad to give it a shot if I had VxWorks developer tools to build the kermit function and VxWorks itself to test it, but I have neither. Would someone who does have them like to try adapting G-Kermit to VxWorks? There's clearly a demand, at least among those who don't mind devoting somewhere between 30 and 80K, depending on the architecture, to a file-transfer function, and it doesn't sound like too much work. - Frank From a_pyles@yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 16:12:26 EDT 2001 Article: 12594 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: a_pyles@yahoo.com (Andy Pyles) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ssh script example Date: 12 Jul 2001 12:49:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 46 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.150.57.150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 994967370 21391 127.0.0.1 (12 Jul 2001 19:49:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 2001 19:49:30 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12594 Hi, I'm using c-kermit 7.0 on a redhat 6.2 linux machine. and trying to script a simple ssh login script. here's what I have so far: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #!/usr/bin/kermit + ; expect script that will automatically upgrade telverse ui files on ; remote system. using the ssh protocol. ; usage uiupgrade username hostname password ;set prefixing all set transaction-log verbose log session session.log set host /pty ssh -l \%1 \%2 if fail out failed!! input 10 password: if fail out no password prompt! out \%3\13 input 10 ]$ out touch /tmp/blaHH\13 input 10 ]$ out exit\13 lineout ~. logout exit ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok, so the problem I have is when I run this script I just get the following: [andy@dev1 images]$ ./ssh_kermit.ker andy dev1 password no password prompt!password touch /tmp/blaHH [andy@dev1 images]$ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ any clue on what I'm doing wrong here? Thanks! -Andy From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 12 16:18:51 EDT 2001 Article: 12595 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ssh script example Date: 12 Jul 2001 20:19:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-ID: <9il0ns$3h8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 994969148 3624 128.59.39.2 (12 Jul 2001 20:19:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 2001 20:19:08 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12595 In article , Andy Pyles wrote: : I'm using c-kermit 7.0 on a redhat 6.2 linux machine. : and trying to script a simple ssh login script. : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : #!/usr/bin/kermit + : ; expect script that will automatically upgrade telverse ui files on : ; remote system. using the ssh protocol. : ; usage uiupgrade username hostname password : : ;set prefixing all : set transaction-log verbose : log session session.log : set host /pty ssh -l \%1 \%2 : if fail out failed!! : : input 10 password: : if fail out no password prompt! : out \%3\13 : input 10 ]$ : out touch /tmp/blaHH\13 : input 10 ]$ : out exit\13 : lineout ~. : logout : exit : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Ok, so the problem I have is when I run this script I just get the following: : : [andy@dev1 images]$ ./ssh_kermit.ker andy dev1 password : no password prompt!password : touch /tmp/blaHH : [andy@dev1 images]$ : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : any clue on what I'm doing wrong here? : I don't see anything obviously wrong with the script, but... 1. This should work better in C-Kermit 8.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html The pty interface didn't work right with scripting on every platform; please try 8.0 and see that improves matters. 2. Maybe there really was no password: prompt. You can use "set input echo on" to watch what happens. 3. "if fail out no password prompt!" just sends "no password prompt!" to the pty. Maybe you meant: if fail exit 1 No password prompt. 4. The the rest of the INPUT statements all should have "if fail" clauses after them. 5. If you use: set host /pty -e none ... then you shouldn't need the "lineout ~." and "logout". - Frank From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Fri Jul 13 09:47:42 EDT 2001 Article: 12596 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: multi connection Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:41:42 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3b4ea837$0$25480$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 995010616 reader0.news.skynet.be 25480 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12596 Hi! I have a modem card with four modem on it... A first person from outside connect to a first session o kermit..... A second person from outside connect to a second session o kermit..... The first person stop its connection.... A third person from outside connect to the first session o kermit..... It's exactly what i want.... BUT if a third person try to connect when the two first line are busy, the third person can't never connect... Always the same message: NO CARRIER ( no answer, the phone just bell ) I use Win2000, i have 2 COM port configured in windows, ( com1 and com2 ) 4 port are used for modem (com3->com6) all seems right Of course there is enough kermit session for four phone call.... -> Is there any limit parameter to kermit answering session? ( After 2 session, no more answer )? From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 13 09:47:46 EDT 2001 Article: 12597 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: multi connection Date: 13 Jul 2001 13:48:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: <9imu6k$468$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3b4ea837$0$25480$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 995032084 4296 128.59.39.2 (13 Jul 2001 13:48:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 2001 13:48:04 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12597 In article <3b4ea837$0$25480$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>, Nathan Rousseau wrote: : I have a modem card with four modem on it... : : A first person from outside connect to a first session o kermit..... : A second person from outside connect to a second session o kermit..... : The first person stop its connection.... : A third person from outside connect to the first session o kermit..... : : It's exactly what i want.... : : BUT : : if a third person try to connect when the two first line are busy, the third : person can't never connect... Always the same message: NO CARRIER ( no : answer, the phone just bell ) : : I use Win2000, i have 2 COM port configured in windows, ( com1 and com2 ) 4 : port are used for modem (com3->com6) all seems right : Which Kermit program do you have? : Of course there is enough kermit session for four phone call.... : : -> Is there any limit parameter to kermit answering session? ( After 2 : session, no more answer )? : What commands did you give to the Kermit program to instruct it to answer the phone? Assuming you have Kermit 95, the answer is: of course you can do what you want. You can use Host Mode, which is designed for taking incoming calls: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95host.html Or you can write your own script. For example, if you want K95 to repeatedly answer incoming calls on COM2, and go into server mode for each call: cd c:/some/directory set carrier-watch auto set modem type usrobotics ; or whatever set port com2 set speed 115200 set flow rts/cts while true { answer if success { lineout KERMIT 95 SERVER... server } hangup } You can elaborate as much as you want. If you want four simultaneous sessions, run four copies of the script, one for each COM ort. - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 13 10:56:43 EDT 2001 Article: 12598 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: multi connection Date: 13 Jul 2001 14:53:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <9in21p$6nj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3b4ea837$0$25480$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> <9imu6k$468$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 995036025 6899 128.59.39.2 (13 Jul 2001 14:53:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 2001 14:53:45 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12598 In article <9imu6k$468$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <3b4ea837$0$25480$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>, : Nathan Rousseau wrote: : : I have a modem card with four modem on it... : : : : A first person from outside connect to a first session o kermit..... : : A second person from outside connect to a second session o kermit..... : : The first person stop its connection.... : : A third person from outside connect to the first session o kermit..... : : : : It's exactly what i want.... : : : : BUT : : : : if a third person try to connect when the two first line are busy, the third : : person can't never connect... Always the same message: NO CARRIER ( no : : answer, the phone just bell ) : : : : I use Win2000, i have 2 COM port configured in windows, ( com1 and com2 ) 4 : : port are used for modem (com3->com6) all seems right : : If you have 4 ports with modems, and calls can arrive on any of the 4 modems, then you need to have one instance of Kermit 95 answering calls on each of the 4 modems. If you are only listening on the first 2 modems, only calls that arrive on the first 2 modems will be answered. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 7.1 Alpha available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From the.earth.below@cinenet.net Sat Jul 14 11:34:44 EDT 2001 Article: 12600 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dark Moon Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Testing for active telnet session in MSK316? Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:08:02 -0700 Organization: Less and less each day.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.92 with YES 0.22 User-Agent: VSoup v1.2.9.47Beta [95/NT] X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12600 As seen from comp.protocols.kermit.misc, on 12 Jul 01 07:16:32 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article , writes: >> \v(tcpip_status) always shows 0, but MSK316 knows when a tcp session is >> active becaue it does not run 'session1' unless it is. I need to test >> for an active session for a script. Anyone know a workaround? >> >> Jeff >--------- > The scripting modules see only a single pathway to the TCP code >and thus the number of active sessions is invisible to scripts. It is >a consequence of making the TCP material removable upon request when >building the program. If this is a very serious difficulty please let >me know and I can look at the situation when I get back from travels >in early August. > Joe D. Thank you, Joe. I found a workaround in this particular case by testing for something else. It's a bit of a kludge, but it does work (so far). It would still be useful to be able to test for active sessions, just as it is possible to test for modem signals and response strings. Jeff -- {netcom} ,,/ "...he may not come until the Circle has been \,, {class of /(-\ broken. And his birth shall mark both the /-)\ '94} ,---' /`-' beginning and the ending of an age." '-'\ `----, /( )__)) --M.A.Pierce, _Birth of the Firebringer_ ((,==( )\ _ /_//___\\ __ -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- -=<*>=- ___\\ __\\ __ `` `` ~darkmoon~ -- ~the~sky~above~net~ '' '' From adam@dunkels.net Sat Jul 14 11:41:49 EDT 2001 Article: 12599 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!news.nask.pl!news.ipartners.pl!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news.tele.dk!195.54.122.107!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!newsfeed01.nntp.se.dataphone.net!nntp.se.dataphone.net!news-stob.telia.net!news-sto.telia.net!194.22.194.4.MISMATCH!masternews.telia.net.!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Adam Dunkels Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Followup-To: comp.os.vxworks References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com> <9ikojr$r9c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 30 User-Agent: KNode/0.5.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-C64: Yes, please! Message-ID: <8_H37.5136$z21.527498@newsc.telia.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:29:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.65.182.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 995052548 213.65.182.115 (Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:29:08 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:29:08 CEST Organization: Telia Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41696 comp.arch.embedded:108381 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12599 Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com>, > Doug Dotson wrote: > : It shouldn't be too much of a problem to port it. vxWorks is > : a bit different in that you don't build executables in the UNIX > : sense. You build .o files and they are linked when loaded. There > : is no main(). But if you changed main() to kermit() you should be > : OK. Argument typed on the command line are mapped into the > : function arguments. You will have to change some header files > : and the makefile won't work as it is. > : > I'd be glad to give it a shot if I had VxWorks developer tools to > build the kermit function and VxWorks itself to test it, but I > have neither. Would someone who does have them like to try adapting > G-Kermit to VxWorks? There's clearly a demand, at least among those > who don't mind devoting somewhere between 30 and 80K, depending on > the architecture, to a file-transfer function, and it doesn't sound > like too much work. But gkermit is released under the GPL, which means that you cannot distribute a product that includes gkermit unless you are willing to release and distibute all source code for your project, including the source code to VxWorks. I don't know much about VxWorks, but I assume that it is not free software licensed under the GPL. /adam -- Adam Dunkels (spambait) http://dunkels.com/adam/ From Peter_Easthope@gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca Sat Jul 14 11:41:52 EDT 2001 Article: 12601 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.harvard.edu!news.rice.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!rice!arclight.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-hub.siol.net!ams.uu.net!news.mailgate.org!mail2news!gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca!not-for-mail From: Peter_Easthope@gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca (Peter Easthope) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Motorola MODEMSURFR EXT 28.8. Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.mailgate.org 995117700 10346 142.31.196.11 (2001-07-14 06:35:32) X-Complaints-To: gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca@abuse.net abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Mail-From: from gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca [142.31.196.11] X-URL: http://www.Mailgate.ORG Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12601 Hello Kermit readers, Does anyone have a working modem file for a Motorola MODEMSURFR EXT 28.8 and DOS-Kermit which I can have a copy of? Thanks, peter_easthope@gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca -- Posted from gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca [142.31.196.11] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 14 11:46:58 EDT 2001 Article: 12602 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Motorola MODEMSURFR EXT 28.8. Date: 14 Jul 2001 15:47:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9ippi3$302$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 995125635 3074 128.59.39.2 (14 Jul 2001 15:47:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 2001 15:47:15 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12602 In article , Peter Easthope wrote: : Does anyone have a working modem file for a : Motorola MODEMSURFR EXT 28.8 and DOS-Kermit : which I can have a copy of? : If you have the manual for this modem, it should be a simple matter of copying any of the scripts listed in: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskscripts.html and making the appropriate command substitutions. The Generic script will probably work as-is. - Frank From drdiags@covad.net Sat Jul 14 12:07:48 EDT 2001 Article: 12603 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail From: DrDiags Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:00:45 -0700 Organization: laserlink.net Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3B506CAD.D85AC443@covad.net> References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: drdiags@covad.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newstest.laserlink.net 995125911 24266 24.248.27.59 (14 Jul 2001 15:51:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@laserlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41702 comp.arch.embedded:108406 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12603 Frank, Some points I have noticed during the porting of gkermit. There are several functions and structures which I probably would declare static, such as lkup() in the gwart.c file. vxWorks has a similar function. So I am going through all the source and leaving global those functions that make sense for me. I may not complete this in a timely manner, so hopefully someone else has already moved further along than I. Frank da Cruz wrote: > > From time to time, we get requests for Kermit file transfer software > for VxWorks. I'd like to be able satisfy them. > > Does VxWorks have a C compiler, the basic minimum well-known header > files, a C library, and a make program? Does it support the UNIX > notion of standard i/o? If so, then maybe it's just a simple matter > of getting the G-Kermit sources files onto VxWorks and typing "make": > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html > > Would anybody care to give it a try and report back? Thanks! > > Frank da Cruz > The Kermit Project > Columbia University > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~borkhuis/vxworks/vxworks.html (vxWorks FAQ home page) From fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Sat Jul 14 12:26:54 EDT 2001 Article: 12604 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fred smith Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Followup-To: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.16-3 (i686)) Sender: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com> <9ikojr$r9c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <8_H37.5136$z21.527498@newsc.telia.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:33:01 GMT Lines: 38 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41703 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12604 Adam Dunkels wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> In article <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com>, :> Doug Dotson wrote: :> I'd be glad to give it a shot if I had VxWorks developer tools to :> build the kermit function and VxWorks itself to test it, but I :> have neither. Would someone who does have them like to try adapting :> G-Kermit to VxWorks? There's clearly a demand, at least among those :> who don't mind devoting somewhere between 30 and 80K, depending on :> the architecture, to a file-transfer function, and it doesn't sound :> like too much work. : But gkermit is released under the GPL, which means that you cannot : distribute a product that includes gkermit unless you are willing to : release and distibute all source code for your project, including the : source code to VxWorks. I don't know much about VxWorks, but I assume that : it is not free software licensed under the GPL. Er, no, I don't think that's what the GPL says. If you distribute a GPL'd work you must make its source available. If you distribute a work DERIVED FROM a GPL'd work you must make its source available. It doesn't say anything about distributing source for everything else in the package accompanying the GPL'd work. I don't think the discussion was about adding gkermit to the VxWorks package (though I don't see anything wrong with that either), but merely about trying to use a kermit protocol engine to do file transfers to/from VxWorks. Don't listen to MS's FUD about how the GLL infects everything it touches, because in an example like this it doesn't. -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ---------------------------- "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." ---------------------------- Hebrews 4:12 (niv) ------------------------------ From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 14 12:26:58 EDT 2001 Article: 12605 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Date: 14 Jul 2001 16:26:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 70 Message-ID: <9iprs5$49g$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <3B506CAD.D85AC443@covad.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 995128005 4400 128.59.39.2 (14 Jul 2001 16:26:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 2001 16:26:45 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41704 comp.arch.embedded:108407 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12605 In article <3B506CAD.D85AC443@covad.net>, wrote: : Some points I have noticed during the porting of gkermit. There : are several functions and structures which I probably would declare : static, such as lkup() in the gwart.c file. vxWorks has a similar : function. So I am going through all the source and leaving global : those functions that make sense for me. I may not complete this in : a timely manner, so hopefully someone else has already moved further : along than I. : Yes, at least one other person is working this. If anybody else is working on it too, please get in touch with me so I can coordinate. Obviously I underestimated the differences between VxWorks and other UNIXlike RTOSs like QNX and OS-9. It appears that traditionally structured C programs like G-Kermit (and C-Kermit) are not a good fit to the VxWorks model. G-Kermit was not designed for embedding. Since my original posting I have learned that: . Software for VxWorks is cross-built on other platforms, such as Sun. . One doesn't have programs in VxWorks, one has functions. Thus there can be no main(). . When a function is invoked from the VxWorks shell, command-line arguments are mapped to function arguments. Thus the handling of argc/argv must be reworked. . All memory is global, there is no separate address space for different tasks (thus the need to be careful with global variables and buffers). . VxWorks public functions are object files, not executables; they are linked when loaded. Another guy who tried building G-Kermit on VxWorks got clean compiles for all modules except gunixio.c, where the following functions had errors. Here is what those functions should do: . sysinit() gets and saves the console terminal modes (if such a concept even exists on VxWorks) and then sets the console terminal to ignore keyboard interrupts. If VxWorks does not support console terminal keyboard interrupts then sysinit() has nothing to do. . ttpkt() sets the console terminal modes (if necessary) to allow Kermit to read a stream of bytes literally, without the console driver getting in the way. It also needs to enable some form of flow control, if VxWorks supports such a thing, such as RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff. It also instructs the OS not to echo incoming characters. . ttflui() reads and discards any characters that have arrived and are sitting in the console buffer, but have not yet been read by Kermit. It must not block. . ttinl() reads a Kermit packet with a given timeout -- that is, if the packet does not arrive within "timo" seconds, it's supposed to give up and return -1. In UNIX this is done with alarm() and signal(), which apparently don't exist in VxWorks? Also, note that gwart.c and gproto.w can probably be ignored. gproto.w is the Kermit protocol state table interpreter, written in a Lex-like language called "wart". gwart.c is compiled and saved as "wart", and then gproto.w is run through wart to produce gproto.c. But gproto.c is already included. You don't need to mess with wart and gproto.w unless you are changing the protocol module. In any case, the wart program is run only on the development system, not on VxWorks. - Frank From caf@omen.com Mon Jul 16 09:43:14 EDT 2001 Article: 12607 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:45:40 -0000 Organization: Omen Technology INC Message-ID: References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (SCO_SV) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41714 comp.arch.embedded:108464 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12607 In article <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >From time to time, we get requests for Kermit file transfer software >for VxWorks. I'd like to be able satisfy them. What many of these embedded applications require is a memory efficient implementation devoid of Unix-isms that gives excellent results with software the customer has already paid for (i.e., the Hyperterm that comes with Windows). Industrial ZMODEM has been used with chips as primitive as the 8-bit 8051 family. It does not need an operating system, just a small number of user supplied routines. For undemanding applications, an "Industrial Kermit" could be developed, subject to the limitations of non-Columbia Kermit implementations as described in Kermit News. From ws-news@gmx.at Mon Jul 16 09:43:21 EDT 2001 Article: 12608 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!fu-berlin.de!newsrouter.chello.at!newsmaster-03.atnet.at!atnet.at!not-for-mail From: "Werner Schiendl" Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:05:07 +0200 Organization: VBS - Vienna Backbone Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <995285625.348908@newsmaster-04.atnet.at> References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com> <9ikojr$r9c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <8_H37.5136$z21.527498@newsc.telia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsmaster-04.atnet.at X-Trace: newsmaster-03.vbs.at 995285283 78224 194.152.166.101 (16 Jul 2001 12:08:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@atnet.at NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:08:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Cache-Post-Path: newsmaster-04.atnet.at!unknown@195.230.55.33 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41715 comp.arch.embedded:108473 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12608 > It doesn't say anything about distributing source for everything else in > the package accompanying the GPL'd work. I don't think the discussion was > about adding gkermit to the VxWorks package (though I don't see anything > wrong with that either), but merely about trying to use a kermit protocol > engine to do file transfers to/from VxWorks. Depends on the point of view. Usually, you compile everything into one big binary and burn that beast to Flash or whatever starage the device has. So you would in fact add the gkermit sources to your VxWorks image. VxWorks has no concept of processes and executables stored in files out of the box. You can load object modules at runtime, but they are linked against the target too. I don't think that the GPL handles that particular case very good. regards werner From adam@dunkels.net Mon Jul 16 11:14:03 EDT 2001 Article: 12609 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mars.njcc.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.rt.ru!news-stob.telia.net!news-sto.telia.net!194.22.194.4.MISMATCH!masternews.telia.net.!newsb.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Adam Dunkels Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Followup-To: comp.os.vxworks References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com> <9ikojr$r9c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <8_H37.5136$z21.527498@newsc.telia.net> Lines: 29 User-Agent: KNode/0.5.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-C64: Yes, please! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:07:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.65.182.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsb.telia.net 995292437 213.65.182.115 (Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:07:17 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:07:17 CEST Organization: Telia Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41719 comp.arch.embedded:108476 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12609 fred smith wrote: > : But gkermit is released under the GPL, which means that you cannot > : distribute a product that includes gkermit unless you are willing to > : release and distibute all source code for your project, including the > : source code to VxWorks. I don't know much about VxWorks, but I assume > : that it is not free software licensed under the GPL. > > Er, no, I don't think that's what the GPL says. > If you distribute a GPL'd work you must make its source available. > If you distribute a work DERIVED FROM a GPL'd work you must make its > source available. > It doesn't say anything about distributing source for everything else in > the package accompanying the GPL'd work. I don't think the discussion was > about adding gkermit to the VxWorks package (though I don't see anything > wrong with that either), but merely about trying to use a kermit protocol > engine to do file transfers to/from VxWorks. >From the GPL FAQ : You have a GPL'ed program that I'd like to link with my code to build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program mean I have to GPL my program? Yes. /adam -- Adam Dunkels (spambait) http://dunkels.com/adam/ From cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 16 11:14:11 EDT 2001 Article: 12610 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.harvard.edu!purdue!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B52EB7D.2238FE2B@my-deja.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:34:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.90.175.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 995294044 12.90.175.17 (Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:34:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:34:04 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41720 comp.arch.embedded:108478 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12610 Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > > In article <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > >From time to time, we get requests for Kermit file transfer software > >for VxWorks. I'd like to be able satisfy them. > > What many of these embedded applications require is a memory > efficient implementation devoid of Unix-isms that gives > excellent results with software the customer has already > paid for (i.e., the Hyperterm that comes with Windows). > > Industrial ZMODEM has been used with chips as primitive as > the 8-bit 8051 family. It does not need an operating > system, just a small number of user supplied routines. Some years ago ZMODEM was the standard file transfer protocol on Fido and BBS systems, and quite a few other places. I don't know what underlies FTP protocol, but I have the impression that it is less efficient than ZMODEM. I believe you have published the ZMODEM specifications, but have you ever published complete sources for both receive and transmit modules, and if so how portable are they? Can the system be mapped into the streaming capabilities of the C file system, or do they require char by char hardware interfaces? -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@my-deja.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net) (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. my-deja works unmodified) mailto:uce@ftc.gov (for spambots to harvest) From fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Tue Jul 17 11:07:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12615 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fred smith Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.16-3 (i686)) Sender: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <3B4DDE9B.C12DEF3@digidata.com> <9ikojr$r9c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <8_H37.5136$z21.527498@newsc.telia.net> <995285625.348908@newsmaster-04.atnet.at> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:05:28 GMT Lines: 26 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41736 comp.arch.embedded:108525 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12615 Werner Schiendl wrote: :> It doesn't say anything about distributing source for everything else in :> the package accompanying the GPL'd work. I don't think the discussion was :> about adding gkermit to the VxWorks package (though I don't see anything :> wrong with that either), but merely about trying to use a kermit protocol :> engine to do file transfers to/from VxWorks. : Depends on the point of view. Usually, you compile everything into one big : binary and burn that beast to Flash or whatever starage the device has. So : you would in fact add the gkermit sources to your VxWorks image. VxWorks has : no concept of processes and executables stored in files out of the box. You : can load object modules at runtime, but they are linked against the target : too. I don't think that the GPL handles that particular case very good. OK, obviously I was speaking out of ignorance. Not knowing anything about Vxworks I didn't realize it was an embedded system and that you couldn't use gkemrit on it WITHOUT having them all linked/distributed together. Open mouth, insert food, chew vigorously. :^( -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ---------------------------- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ------------------------------- Romans 5:8 (niv) ------------------------------ From caf@omen.com Tue Jul 17 11:07:21 EDT 2001 Article: 12614 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks,comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VxWorks Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:43:17 -0000 Organization: Omen Technology INC Message-ID: References: <9ikjrq$asm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <3B52EB7D.2238FE2B@my-deja.com> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (SCO_SV) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vxworks:41733 comp.arch.embedded:108513 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12614 In article <3B52EB7D.2238FE2B@my-deja.com>, CBFalconer wrote: >I believe you have published the ZMODEM specifications, but have >you ever published complete sources for both receive and transmit >modules, and if so how portable are they? Can the system be >mapped into the streaming capabilities of the C file system, or do >they require char by char hardware interfaces? I wrote Indusrtrial ZMODEM(Tm) to support embedded applications where the data source or sink may be a region of memory or even a process. The only limit is the engineer's imagination. It is possible to cobble something together from legacy rzsz 1.xx versions and a few man months of hacking, testing, and debugging. Some engineers have decided the modest one time instant licensing for Industrial ZMODEM is better suited to their needs. Check http://www.omen.com/ind.html for the details. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@omen.COM www.omen.com Widget need a Brain Drain? Check out Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" POB 4681 Portland OR 97208 503-614-0430 FAX:503-629-0665 From nathan.rousseau@planetmedica.com Thu Jul 19 10:14:29 EDT 2001 Article: 12619 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Rousseau" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: when does the kermit phone call stop? Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:42:41 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3b567588$0$4564$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.198.82 X-Trace: 995521929 reader1.news.skynet.be 4564 194.78.198.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12619 Hi, I have one kermit session waiting for phone call, my main loop to answer call is : while 1 { ANSWER IF SUCCESS { SERVER } ELSE { ECHO ANSWER FAILED } } When one call finish, the kermit process go back to "answer" mode My problem is : People connect to kermit session to send file.... When they send file, i receive the file, but the kermit session doesn't return to "answer" mode. Kermit stay with the screen of download with the "Last Message" item as "Transfer OK" And the modem stay active!!!! even if the sender has turned its modem off, hang up the phone. So next user can't connect because when he phones, he has a busy line... What parameter do i have to set to hangup the phone when the user has finished? Thanks in advance Nathan Rousseau From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 19 14:51:41 EDT 2001 Article: 12622 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: one-line ftp upload Date: 19 Jul 2001 18:35:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: <9j79af$ove$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <20010716.135702.1187663298.24780@hotmail.com> <_wF57.798$Y47.9351@www.newsranger.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 995567759 25582 128.59.39.2 (19 Jul 2001 18:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2001 18:35:59 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:174388 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12622 On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:55:28 GMT, Neil asked: > How about this? > a one-line ftp command to: > -log into the ftp host > -upload a file > -logout of the ftp host > > I am trying to solve a webcam problem (as you may be able to see from a > number of recent postings.) I am preparing a script to periodically > upload a file of a captured camera image. > The new C-Kermit ftp client supports both downloading and uploading from the command line: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html FTP-specific command-line options are available when you make an "ftp personality" for C-Kermit by invoking as "ftp" (e.g. through a symbolic link). Then you you use the following options: -d Debug: enables debug messages and creates a debug.log file. -n No autologin: Kermit should not send your user ID automatically. -t Packet trace: accepted but is treated the same as -d. -v Verbose: accepted but ignored (operation is verbose by default). -i Not interactive: accepted but ignored. -Y Don't execute the Kermit initialization file -q Quiet, suppresses all but error messages -S Stay, don't exit automatically -A Autologin anonymously -u name Username for autologin (synonym: -M) -P password Password for autologin -D directory cd after autologin -b Binary mode -a Text ("ascii") mode (synonym: -T) -p files Files to put (upload) after autologin (synonym: -s) -g files Files to get (download) after autologin Plus a bunch of others relating to secure (Kerberos or SSL/TLS) connections. Here's a "put" example using anonymous login: ftp -A kermit.columbia.edu -D kermit/incoming -bp debug.log Substitute the appropriate -u and -P options to log in as a real user, or use secure authentication. FTP URLs are also accepted on the command line, even without the "ftp" personality, e.g.: kermit ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/READ.ME GETs the indicated file. - Frank From rhenson@cellxion.com Tue Jul 24 11:42:54 EDT 2001 Article: 12628 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: rhenson@cellxion.com (Randy Henson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RemoteBoot Kermit Date: 24 Jul 2001 08:21:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5dde95d2.0107240721.4067389@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.206.76.41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 995988083 22891 127.0.0.1 (24 Jul 2001 15:21:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2001 15:21:23 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12628 We're running MS/Kermit 3.15 on several NT remote boot (dos 6.22) workstations as a VT100 Telnet client. Our telnet server (RFGen ) has timeout disabled, but we're dropping sessions. Our LAN runs everything through 3Com 3300 10/100 switches. I ended up creating an entirely new segment for the remoteboot machines, using some cheap 10BaseT hubs. This fixed the problem locally, they'll stay up forever. (still don't know why the switches dropped the connection). Now I have a machine in another city connecting to my telnet server. It remoteboots to a server in the other city, then telnets to my server here (we're point-to-point) through the router, which is plugged into a switch. This remote machine drops connection at least once a day. I know it's not a remoteboot or kermit problem (has to be a switch problem, but I'm out of ideas. I've turned off auto-negotiation for the ports on the switch and set them to 10BT half-duplex, set them up as roving analysis ports (promiscuous mode) plugged hubs into the switches. I don't have any more options. Any ideas here would be greatly appreciated. From ts1@its.com.sg Tue Jul 24 11:42:57 EDT 2001 Article: 12627 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: ts1@its.com.sg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:45:55 PDT Subject: any vb sample code for access database function Organization: ts1@its.com.sg NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.156.74.157 Message-ID: <3b5d0bdd$1@news.starhub.net.sg> X-Trace: 24 Jul 2001 13:47:09 +0800, 202.156.74.157 Lines: 5 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mars.njcc.com!yellow.newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!cw-insnet-peer-00!newsvr.starhub.net.sg!news.starhub.net.sg!202.156.74.157 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12627 I am new in vb design, anybody can email some sample code or show me some site to download, I just want to design a vb program to load an MS access database(phonebook directory), I can search by name , by postcode, by tel no, to select some company. thanks ts From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 26 10:05:00 EDT 2001 Article: 12634 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RemoteBoot Kermit Date: 26 Jul 2001 00:23:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9jnnt5$it3$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5dde95d2.0107240721.4067389@posting.google.com> <5dde95d2.0107250559.3d6e7c16@posting.google.com> <9jmori$t39$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <5dde95d2.0107251320.7f2b5d0@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 996106981 19363 128.59.39.2 (26 Jul 2001 00:23:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2001 00:23:01 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12634 In article <5dde95d2.0107251320.7f2b5d0@posting.google.com>, Randy Henson wrote: : I follow your thinking, Jeffrey. What do you mean by moving data "in band"? Periodicly send data from the client to the server or vice versa. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From dkcombs@panix.com Fri Jul 27 10:23:31 EDT 2001 Article: 12636 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! kermit * modem keeps dropping from panix.com (in NYC) Date: 27 Jul 2001 02:56:57 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 996217018 18787 166.84.0.227 (27 Jul 2001 06:56:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2001 06:56:58 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12636 I have asked about this several times over the last several months, and you have been SO nice in your answers. Nonetheless, I'm still getting knocked off all the time. (Thank god for your "resend" command! At least I can finally get tar.gz files downloaded, even though it will take three or four "redial" commands.) --- Question: do you happen to have access to a SUN? (That's what I have -- sparc5.) (Assuming that having a sun makes a difference?) Anyway, if I were to give you (via telephone) my id and password for panix.com (uses pc's and netbsd plus who-knows-what communication front-ends), would you be willing to figure out what actually works best for their dialin? By the way, everyone else there (on their shell-acct service) seems to use pc hardware and maybe also m$ software, and NO ONE BUT ME has any difficulty. (Worked PERFECTLY(!) when I was using netcom's shell service, but then earthlink closed it down, and all of where were near NYC went to panix). --- Heck, I could even come in there, modem in hand -- no problem for me, since I'm in the city a couple of days each week ("concerned friends of wbai"). Thanks! (And thanks so much for C-Kermit!) David Combs From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 27 10:23:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12637 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! kermit * modem keeps dropping from panix.com (in NYC) Date: 27 Jul 2001 11:43:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-ID: <9jrk4k$nlr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 996234196 24251 128.59.39.2 (27 Jul 2001 11:43:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2001 11:43:16 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12637 I would say that 99% of users these days use PPP connections when they dial into a Unix host. Even when they simply want shell access. Use PPP first, and then telnet to the host. Since you do not describe the circumstances under which you are losing the connection, I cannot comment further. In article <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : I have asked about this several times over the last : several months, and you have been SO nice in your : answers. : : Nonetheless, I'm still getting knocked off all the time. : : (Thank god for your "resend" command! At least I can : finally get tar.gz files downloaded, even though : it will take three or four "redial" commands.) : : --- : : Question: do you happen to have access to a SUN? : : (That's what I have -- sparc5.) : : (Assuming that having a sun makes a difference?) : : Anyway, if I were to give you (via telephone) my : id and password for panix.com (uses pc's and netbsd plus : who-knows-what communication front-ends), would you : be willing to figure out what actually works best : for their dialin? : : By the way, everyone else there (on their shell-acct : service) seems to use pc hardware and maybe also m$ : software, and NO ONE BUT ME has any difficulty. : : (Worked PERFECTLY(!) when I was using netcom's shell : service, but then earthlink closed it down, and : all of where were near NYC went to panix). : : --- : : Heck, I could even come in there, modem in hand -- : no problem for me, since I'm in the city a couple : of days each week ("concerned friends of wbai"). : : Thanks! : : (And thanks so much for C-Kermit!) : : David Combs : : Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 27 10:23:38 EDT 2001 Article: 12638 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! kermit * modem keeps dropping from panix.com (in NYC) Date: 27 Jul 2001 14:23:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <9jrth1$ka$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> <9jrk4k$nlr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 996243809 650 128.59.39.2 (27 Jul 2001 14:23:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2001 14:23:29 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12638 In article <9jrk4k$nlr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : I would say that 99% of users these days use PPP connections : when they dial into a Unix host. Even when they simply want : shell access. Use PPP first, and then telnet to the host. : : Since you do not describe the circumstances under which you : are losing the connection, I cannot comment further. : I think the attraction of Panix is that it is one of the few places that still offers direct dialin shell accounts. : In article <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com>, : David Combs wrote: : : ... : : Nonetheless, I'm still getting knocked off all the time. : This is either because you have been exceeding some kind of idle limit on the Panix end, or because of bad connections, perhaps exacerbated by modem incompatibilities. : : Question: do you happen to have access to a SUN? : Yes, we have have Suns. And we discovered some months ago that C-Kermit did not handle hardware flow control properly in recent Solaris versions (I'm not sure exactly where the cutoff is, but it appears that Solaris changed its hardware flow control API somewhere after 2.1 and before 2.6). This would not necessarily explain disconnections, but in any case you should be using the most recent C-Kermit 7.0 Beta, which has been thoroughly checked out on Solaris dialup connections: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html If that makes no difference then, assuming the problem is not idle time, the next place to look is your modem. After your connection is dropped, do this: C-Kermit> set carrier-watch off C-Kermit> connect and now type the modem's command to display statistics about its most recent connection. The command depends on the make and model of the modem, but is usually ATIn, where n is a digit, like '6'. The better modems will give you counts of block errors, retrains, and so forth, and will even list the disconnection reason. If it's "host hung up" or "remote disconnect", the problem is on the Panix end. It might even be some kind of weird interaction of your modem and theirs, and maybe the problem would vanish if you tried a different kind of modem. - Frank From dkcombs@panix.com Fri Jul 27 14:22:57 EDT 2001 Article: 12639 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! kermit * modem keeps dropping from panix.com (in NYC) Date: 27 Jul 2001 17:56:21 GMT Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <9jsa05$fnd$1@news.panix.com> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> <9jrk4k$nlr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9jrth1$ka$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 996256581 16109 166.84.0.228 (27 Jul 2001 17:56:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2001 17:56:21 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Originator: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12639 In article <9jrth1$ka$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >not necessarily explain disconnections, but in any case you >should be using the most recent C-Kermit 7.0 Beta, which has >been thoroughly checked out on Solaris dialup connections: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html > >If that makes no difference then, assuming the problem is not >idle time, the next place to look is your modem. After your >connection is dropped, do this: > > C-Kermit> set carrier-watch off > C-Kermit> connect > >and now type the modem's command to display statistics about >its most recent connection. The command depends on the make >and model of the modem, but is usually ATIn, where n is a >digit, like '6'. The better modems will give you counts of >block errors, retrains, and so forth, and will even list the >disconnection reason. If it's "host hung up" or "remote >disconnect", the problem is on the Panix end. It might even >be some kind of weird interaction of your modem and theirs, >and maybe the problem would vanish if you tried a different >kind of modem. > >- Frank Thanks! I'll give them a try. Uh, I know virtually nothing about modems and typing in command sequences to them. If your instructions above aren't a 100% cookbook no-thinking-required procedure, maybe you could add a thing or two, if you think it would help? And -- modem is US Robotics (el cheapo) faxmodem 56k, maybe three or four years old. And, do you know of some sun patch that fixes the solaris problem? (Yes, I'll download the beta kermit.) Thanks again. David From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 27 14:23:01 EDT 2001 Article: 12640 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! kermit * modem keeps dropping from panix.com (in NYC) Date: 27 Jul 2001 18:23:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <9jsbit$999$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> <9jrk4k$nlr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9jrth1$ka$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9jsa05$fnd$1@news.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 996258205 9513 128.59.39.2 (27 Jul 2001 18:23:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2001 18:23:25 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12640 In article <9jsa05$fnd$1@news.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : ... : Uh, I know virtually nothing about modems and typing in : command sequences to them. : : If your instructions above aren't a 100% cookbook : no-thinking-required procedure, maybe you could add a : thing or two, if you think it would help? : : And -- modem is US Robotics (el cheapo) faxmodem 56k, : maybe three or four years old. : At the C-Kermit> prompt (after disconnection): set carrier-watch off connect Then type AT (uppercase), then press the Return key. You should see: OK If so, you are talking directly to the modem's command processor. In that case you can type any command that's documented in the modem's manual, such as: ATI6 (and the press the Return key) to get the statistics about the most recent connection. : And, do you know of some sun patch that fixes the : solaris problem? (Yes, I'll download the beta kermit.) : The Solaris problem is that the API changed out from under Kermit. The solution is to download the Beta Kermit. - Frank From steve@baus-systems.com Tue Aug 7 16:14:39 EDT 2001 Article: 12646 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mars.njcc.com!yellow.newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!netnews.com!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Steve" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Init settings Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:56:59 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12646 What are my options for specifying modem settings in an ini file? I have a Zoom external modem I would like to setup with AT commands when I start k95. If this is best accomplished in a global k95 init file I need to make sure they are specific to the Zoom modem as I may be using other modems in the future. I have created another .ini file that I am calling when I startup so if it is better to include it there, that is an option. What do I need to do to use a USB modem, set the port and the specific settings like above? Thanks, Steve From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 7 16:14:42 EDT 2001 Article: 12647 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Init settings Date: 7 Aug 2001 20:14:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <9kpi78$as7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997215272 11143 128.59.39.2 (7 Aug 2001 20:14:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2001 20:14:32 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12647 In article , Steve wrote: : What are my options for specifying modem settings in an ini file? : : I have a Zoom external modem I would like to setup with AT commands when I : start k95. If this is best accomplished in a global k95 init file I need to : make sure they are specific to the Zoom modem as I may be using other modems : in the future. I have created another .ini file that I am calling when I : startup so if it is better to include it there, that is an option. : Start K95 and give the following commands: set modem type zoom show modem The SET MODEM TYPE command loads the Zoom entry from the Kermit database. The SHOW MODEM command shows the commands that Kermit 95 will use with the modem. If you want to change any of them, you can use SET MODEM COMMAND commands to do so. If you want to customize the commands for certain kinds of modems, perhaps the most convenient way is to define a macro that selects the modem and then customizes the commands, e.g.: define zoom { set modem type zoom set modem command init ATblahblahblah\13 } Put this definition in your K95CUSTOM.INI file and then whenever you want to use your Zoom modem, type "zoom" instead of "set modem type zoom". : What do I need to do to use a USB modem, set the port and the specific : settings like above? : It depends on how it is defined in Windows. As you know, a Windows modem can look like a serial port with a modem attached, or it can be a "Windows Modem" device that you refer to directly. In the latter case you will find it in the Modems folder of the Windows Control Panel with a long name, like "Zoom Data/Fax Modem 56K". The distinction between DOS-style COM-port-plus-modem and Windows modem devices is explained in the K95 manual. - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 7 18:05:49 EDT 2001 Article: 12648 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Init settings Date: 7 Aug 2001 21:39:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9kpn6s$eb4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997220380 14692 128.59.39.2 (7 Aug 2001 21:39:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2001 21:39:40 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12648 In article , Steve wrote: : What are my options for specifying modem settings in an ini file? : : I have a Zoom external modem I would like to setup with AT commands when I : start k95. If this is best accomplished in a global k95 init file I need to : make sure they are specific to the Zoom modem as I may be using other modems : in the future. I have created another .ini file that I am calling when I : startup so if it is better to include it there, that is an option. : : What do I need to do to use a USB modem, set the port and the specific : settings like above? : : Thanks, : Steve Unlike MS-DOS Kermit, K95 does not need AT commands to be specified in an init file. If you are installing the Zoom modem under Windows to support the USB connection, your best bet is to simply access the modem as a TAPI (windows telephony) device SET TAPI Line and then either DIAL or ANSWER as your needs require. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From dkcombs@panix.com Fri Aug 10 10:40:05 EDT 2001 Article: 12649 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I installed Beta; won't dial; new settings needed? Date: 10 Aug 2001 07:59:10 GMT Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <9l048e$k04$1@news.panix.com> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> <9jrth1$ka$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9jsa05$fnd$1@news.panix.com> <9jsbit$999$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 997430350 20484 166.84.1.2 (10 Aug 2001 07:59:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 07:59:10 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Originator: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12649 In article <9jsbit$999$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >: And, do you know of some sun patch that fixes the >: solaris problem? (Yes, I'll download the beta kermit.) >: >The Solaris problem is that the API changed out from >under Kermit. The solution is to download the Beta >Kermit. > >- Frank Frank -- I *did* download the Beta Kermit. I tried it with the old (6.192) init-files, etc, and it wouldn't actually dial the phone (no sounds out of the modem), although it make the modem-lights flash quickly two or maybe three times. Please -- any ideas "off the cuff" of *significant* changes required in the init file(s)? --- The only time I am able to use the internet is after midnight to maybe 8am. This flow-control thing shows up mostlly when the load on the isp's computer I am using is high -- or maybe it's the communications front end, I don't know. I sent a long email (or post on the group, I forget which) that showed the init files I had now. Any help you can give will be REALLY great! Thanks! David From dkcombs@panix.com Fri Aug 10 10:40:47 EDT 2001 Article: 12650 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: REPOST of problem with beta: not dialing out (long) Date: 10 Aug 2001 08:07:49 GMT Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 1333 Message-ID: <9l04ol$k04$2@news.panix.com> References: <9k73c5$t61$1@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 997430869 20484 166.84.1.2 (10 Aug 2001 08:07:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 08:07:49 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Originator: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12650 Please do not mark this post as "been read" until FRANK has had a chance to see it. Thanks! David ============ REPOST OF SOMETHING NEVER RESPONDED TO: (Just in case someone hit the wrong key and it got zapped before being looked at...) In article <9k73c5$t61$1@panix2.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: I tried the v8 beta (v7 beta?); it knew the modem was there (lights flashed a (very) few times), but no dial-tone sound, nothing. Here's some files, and some runs. Am totally LOST! (But thatnks for all the help you've been giving.) Remember: I'm using sparc5, solaris7, using panix.com. I am no modem/communications guru -- am doing the best I can. Anyway, here's my prepared file, also including a "script t.script" output (with the ENDING ^M's removed). THANKS SO MUCH! David Combs 914-632-1883 (new rochelle) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE that I am jumping directly FROM c-kermit-192 (version SIX) TO this V-8 BETA. NOTE: down at the BOTTOM is a run of each of the three: /david3/from_netcom-dir1/kermit-stuff/8.0-beta--cku200b02/wermit -y kermrc-for-v7 /david3/from_netcom-dir1/kermit-stuff/8.0-beta--cku200b02/wermit -y .mykermrc-for-v7 runkermit -y .mykermrc-for-v6 I downloaded this: -rw------- 1 dkc staff 1963673 Jul 28 17:17 cku200b02.tar.gz NOTED: no .kermrc or kermrc or .mykermrc was included. ALSO: NO .ini, .doc, .bwr, or .hlp. QUESTION: where do I get these from? First, here's the directory for the beta: /myexternals/david3/from_netcom-dir1/kermit-stuff/8.0-beta--cku200b02: total 37184 drwxr-xr-x 2 dkc staff 2048 Jul 28 21:31 . drwxr-xr-x 3 dkc staff 3072 Jul 28 22:08 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 5515 Jan 1 2001 COPYING.TXT -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 163326 Jun 27 14:45 ck_crp.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 2627 Jan 3 2001 ck_des.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 119979 Jun 27 14:45 ck_ssl.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 2800 Apr 27 15:22 ck_ssl.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 2647 Jan 1 2001 ckcasc.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 127247 Jun 7 14:43 ckcdeb.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 96745 Jun 28 13:40 ckcfn2.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 136240 Jul 28 21:23 ckcfn2.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 74381 Jun 24 17:15 ckcfn3.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 105812 Jul 28 21:24 ckcfn3.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 201379 Jun 28 12:16 ckcfns.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 263064 Jul 28 21:23 ckcfns.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 393450 Jun 27 15:04 ckcftp.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 399120 Jul 28 21:31 ckcftp.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 42670 Jun 26 11:52 ckcker.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 71913 Jun 27 15:08 ckclib.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 3941 Jun 24 12:57 ckclib.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 64324 Jul 28 21:10 ckclib.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 116721 Jun 28 11:44 ckcmai.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 106964 Jul 28 21:10 ckcmai.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 7765 Dec 7 1999 ckcmdb.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 393807 Jun 29 10:42 ckcnet.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 36446 Jun 27 18:27 ckcnet.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 158136 Jul 28 21:27 ckcnet.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 108729 Jul 28 21:21 ckcpro.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 179648 Jul 28 21:22 ckcpro.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 101431 Jun 27 15:08 ckcpro.w -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 5841 Jan 1 2001 ckcsig.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 277 Jul 31 1999 ckcsym.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 268053 Jun 27 15:01 ckctel.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 41374 Jun 7 14:20 ckctel.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 222728 Jul 28 21:28 ckctel.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 742491 Jun 27 15:07 ckcuni.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 9306 Jan 1 2001 ckcuni.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 391520 Jul 28 21:30 ckcuni.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 9679 Jan 1 2001 ckcxla.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 1165 Sep 8 1999 ckpker.mk -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 11524 Dec 11 2000 ckuat2.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 367148 Jun 27 15:08 ckuath.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 7999 Sep 13 2000 ckuath.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 168165 Jun 28 12:23 ckucmd.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 8321 Jan 1 2001 ckucmd.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 197844 Jul 28 21:11 ckucmd.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 76326 Jun 27 15:09 ckucns.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 106048 Jul 28 21:25 ckucns.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 83328 Jun 27 15:09 ckucon.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 235961 Jun 27 15:09 ckudia.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 219244 Jul 28 21:26 ckudia.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 232005 Jun 29 10:36 ckufio.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 210076 Jul 28 21:26 ckufio.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 43347 Jun 29 11:18 ckupty.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 4369 Dec 5 1999 ckupty.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 48192 Jul 28 21:30 ckupty.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 18090 Jun 27 15:10 ckuscr.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 53832 Jul 28 21:27 ckuscr.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 7197 May 1 16:40 ckusig.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 2126 Jan 1 2001 ckusig.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 35300 Jul 28 21:28 ckusig.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 378786 Jun 27 15:10 ckutio.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 200600 Jul 28 21:25 ckutio.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 449194 Jun 28 12:13 ckuus2.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 362492 Jul 28 21:13 ckuus2.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 296253 Jun 25 15:27 ckuus3.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 305132 Jul 28 21:14 ckuus3.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 423784 Jun 27 18:52 ckuus4.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 411776 Jul 28 21:16 ckuus4.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 305198 Jun 27 15:55 ckuus5.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 294564 Jul 28 21:17 ckuus5.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 267272 Jun 28 12:26 ckuus6.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 329160 Jul 28 21:18 ckuus6.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 403774 Jun 27 16:05 ckuus7.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 295800 Jul 28 21:19 ckuus7.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 278269 Jun 27 17:40 ckuusr.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 100389 Jun 28 12:42 ckuusr.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 300684 Jul 28 21:12 ckuusr.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 232747 Jun 28 12:09 ckuusx.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 229316 Jul 28 21:20 ckuusx.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 94128 May 4 18:21 ckuusy.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 131216 Jul 28 21:21 ckuusy.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 20806 Mar 30 13:06 ckuver.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 269581 Jun 27 15:07 ckuxla.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 3861 Jan 1 2001 ckuxla.h -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 169016 Jul 28 21:24 ckuxla.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 16623 Apr 20 2000 ckwart.c -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 35208 Jul 28 21:21 ckwart.o -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 297066 Jun 28 19:02 makefile -rwxr-xr-x 1 dkc staff 38408 Jul 28 21:21 wart -rwxr-xr-x 1 dkc staff 4116196 Jul 28 21:31 wermit Down below you'll see these: .mykermrc-for-v{6,7} kermrc-for-v7 (the "-for-v7" suffix lets me keep the files separate and distinguishable; I run wermit with the "-y xxx" option.) The .mykermrc-for-v6 is the .mykermrc I used for v6 (c-kermit-192), and is the one that *does* "work" and by which I am sending this to you right now (but which in the daytime or during when heavy load) I way too often get dropped. (I haven't a clue where I got the two -v7 ones from -- probably your web site. Note that I've added a few lines from the old -v6 file). QUESTION: when running v6, I have ONLY the ".mykermrc" (now with suffix "-for-v6): begins with a dot AND with a "my"; no other init file installed somewhere else.) EXCEPT that within the directory where the binary is run from (and where I "built" the kermit), there are these three files: -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 25066 Dec 3 1996 ckermit.ini -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 5828 Dec 19 1996 ckermod.ini -rw-r--r-- 1 dkc staff 3815 Apr 14 1996 ckurzsz.ini QUESTION: probably you'll want me to get some files from some other version of kermit, ie non-Beta. If so, WHICH FILES I should grab from there and copy over to this beta directory? ------------------------------------------ various init-files: head -9000 .mykermrc-for-v{6,7} kermrc-for-v7 >> kermit.send ==> .mykermrc-for-v6 <== echo "" echo "------- ENTER .mykermrc::" echo " HELLO David, this is the LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL .mykermrc!" echo " HELLO David, this is the LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL .mykermrc!" echo " HELLO David, this is the LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL .mykermrc!" echo " ---------------------------" echo " ---------------------------" echo " ---------------------------" # -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # run fuser # set dial display on # show modem, show dial # dial 5099202 echo " PANIX DIAL-IN (Lower-Westchester) (914) 509-9202 (ie 5099202) <<===" echo " (BUT to PHONE panix-hq PEOPLE: 212-741-4400)" echo " (x-1 service; x-4 tech spt; x-5 bill) " echo " (I am: panix Customer # 00000-16967 David Combs)" set modem type usrobotics set line /dev/cua/a set speed 19200 # or maybe 38400 or maybe even 57600. set speed 38400 #set speed 57600 set file names literal set terminal autodownload on fast # Next, so that if craps out mid-transfer, can do a "resend": set file incomplete keep # At exit from ISP, then quit from kermit, run "fuser -u /dev/cua/a". # 28may01: -- we try panix' advice of adding "s32=66" to command string. # kermit's show modem gives "ATQ0X4&A3&N0&Y3\{13}" as cmd string, # so we'll trying to set it to "ATQ0X4&A3&N0&Y3\{13}s32=66" set modem command init-string ATQ0X4&A3&N0&Y3\{13}s32=66 echo "------- EXIT .mykermrc." echo "" ==> .mykermrc-for-v7 <== #!/usr/local/bin/kermit ; File CKERMOD.INI, Sample C-Kermit 7.0 customization file. ; ; This file, which is ONLY A SAMPLE, should be called: ; ; .mykermrc (UNIX, OS-9, Aegis, BeBox, Plan 9) ; CKERMOD.INI (VMS, OpenVMS, AOS/VS, OS/2, Amiga, Atari ST) ; ckermod.ini (Stratus VOS) ; ; MODify it to suit your needs and preferences, and install it in the same ; directory as your C-Kermit initialization file. The design of this file ; lets you fill in a section for each different operating system where you run ; C-Kermit. This file is executed automatically by the standard C-Kermit ; initialization file, CKERMIT.INI (or .kermrc). See the manual, "Using ; C-Kermit", for further information. ; ; Authors: Christine Gianone, Frank da Cruz, Jeffrey Altman, ; The Kermit Project, Columbia University. ; Creation: 23 November 1992 for C-Kermit 5A(188). ; Modified: 30 June 1993 for edit 189. ; 04 October 1994 for edit 190. ; 17 April 1995 for edit 191. ; 6 September 1996 for version 6.0, edit 192. ; 1 January 2000 for version 7.0, edit 196. ECHO ECHO Executing SAMPLE C-Kermit customization file \v(cmdfile) for \v(system)... ECHO { Please edit this file to reflect your needs and preferences.} ECHO ; ; ... and then remove the ECHO commands above. ; this block came from .mykermrc-for-v6: dkc: ; run fuser ; set dial display on ; show modem, show dial ; dial 5099202 echo " PANIX DIAL-IN (Lower-Westchester) (914) 509-9202 (ie 5099202) <<===" echo " (BUT to PHONE panix-hq PEOPLE: 212-741-4400)" echo " (x-1 service; x-4 tech spt; x-5 bill) " echo " (I am: panix Customer # 00000-16967 David Combs)" set line /dev/cua/a ; dkc COMMENT - Settings that apply to all the systems I use: ; set delay 1 ; I escape back quickly set dial display on ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial ; Dialing locale and method ; ; SET DIAL COUNTRY-CODE 1 ; Uncomment and replace with yours ; SET DIAL AREA-CODE 000 ; Uncomment and replace with yours ; SET DIAL LD-PREFIX 1 ; Uncomment and replace with yours ; SET DIAL INTL-PREFIX 011 ; Uncomment and replace with yours ; SET DIAL METHOD TONE ; Uncomment and replace with PULSE if necessary ; SET DIAL DIRECTORY ... ... ; List dialing directory files here ; File transfer preferences ; FAST ; Uncomment to enable fast file transfer ; SET FILE TYPE BINARY ; Uncomment to force binary-mode file transfer SET FILE NAMES LITERAL ; Uncomment to defeat filename conversion dkc ; SET SEND PATHNAMES ON ; Uncomment to defeat send pathname stripping ; SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON ; Uncomment to defeat receive pathname stripping ; SET EXIT WARNING OFF ; Uncomment this to remove connection warnings ; SET TERMINAL APC ON ; Uncomment to allow APC commands SET TERM AUTODOWNLOAD ON ; Uncomment to allow autodownload dkc if < \v(version) 600192 - stop 1 \v(cmdfile): C-Kermit 6.0.192 or later required. set take error on ; Make errors fatal temporarily check if ; Do we have an IF command? set take error off ; Yes we do, back to normal ; The ON_EXIT macro is executed automatically when C-Kermit exits. ; Define as desired. ; define ON_EXIT echo Returning you to \v(system) now. ; System-independent quick dialing macro. Depends on having the ; macros MYMODEM, MYPORT, and (optionally) MYSPEED defined in the ; system-dependent sections below. ; define MYDIAL { if not defined MYMODEM end 1 {\%0: Modem type not defined.} set modem type \m(MYMODEM) if fail end 1 {\%0: \m(MYMODEM): Unsupported modem type.} if not defined MYPORT end 1 {\%0: Communication port not defined.} set port \m(MYPORT) if fail end 1 {\%0: SET PORT \m(MYPORT) failed.} if defined MYFLOW set flow \m(MYFLOW) if fail end 1 {\%0: SET FLOW \m(MYFLOW) failed.} if defined MYSPEED set speed \m(MYSPEED) if fail end 1 {\%0: SET SPEED \m(MYSPEED) failed.} dial \%1\%2\%3\%4\%5\%6\%7\%8\%9 end \v(status) } forward \v(system) ; Go execute system-dependent commands :UNIX ; UNIX, all versions... define MYPORT /dev/cua/a ; My dialing environment dkc: added "/a" suffix. define MYMODEM usrrobotics ; Replace these by what you actually have. dkc. define MYSPEED 57600 ; ; If you want all your downloads to go to the same directory, no matter ; what your current directory is, uncomment and edit the following command: ; ; set file download-directory ~/download ; Download directory for UNIX ; Put other UNIX-specific commands here... end ; End of UNIX section :VMS ; VMS and OpenVMS define MYPORT TXA0: ; My dialing environment define MYMODEM usr ; Replace these by what you actually have define MYSPEED 57600 ; set file download-directory [\$(USER).DOWNLOAD] ; Download directory for VMS ; Put other VMS-specific commands here... end ; End of VMS section :WIN32 ; Windows and OS/2 customizations... :OS/2 define MYPORT COM1 ; My dialing environment define MYMODEM usr ; Replace these by what you actually have define MYSPEED 57600 set command byte 8 ; Use 8 bits between Kermit and console set xfer char latin1 ; Use Latin-1 for text file transfer set term char latin1 ; And use Latin-1 during CONNECT mode ; set file download-directory C:\DOWNLOADS end :OS9/68K ; OS-9/68000 define MYPORT /t3 ; My dialing environment define MYMODEM usr ; Replace these by what you actually have define MYSPEED 9600 ; set file download-directory ~/downloads end ; End of OS-9 section :AOS/VS ; Data General AOS/VS define MYPORT @con3 ; My dialing environment define MYMODEM usrobotics ; Replace these by what you actually have dkc define MYSPEED 9600 ; set file download-directory \v(home)DOWNLOADS end ; And so on, you get the idea... ; Fill in the sections that apply to you. :Stratus_VOS ; Stratus VOS :Amiga ; Commodore Amiga :Atari_ST ; Atari ST :Macintosh ; Apple Macintosh :unknown ; Others ; dkc: # At exit from ISP, then quit from kermit, run "fuser -u /dev/cua/a". # 28may01: -- we try panix' advice of adding "s32=66" to command string. # kermit's show modem gives "ATQ0X4&A3&N0&Y3\{13}" as cmd string, # so we'll trying to set it to "ATQ0X4&A3&N0&Y3\{13}s32=66" set modem command init-string ATQ0X4&A3&N0&Y3\{13}s32=66 ; dkc ; (End of CKERMOD.INI) ==> kermrc-for-v7 <== #!/usr/local/bin/kermit COMMENT - Standard C-Kermit initialization file ; ; For C-Kermit Version: 7.0.196 (but can also be used by 6.0.192) ; ; Filename: ; .kermrc (UNIX, OS-9, Aegis) ; CKERMIT.INI (OS/2, VMS, OpenVMS, AOS/VS, Atari ST, Commodore Amiga) ; ckermit.ini (Stratus VOS) ; K95.INI (Kermit 95 -- but this big version is not used there) ; K2.INI (Kermit/2 -- but ditto) ; ; Authors: ; Frank da Cruz, Christine M. Gianone, Jeffrey Altman ; Columbia University, New York, NY 10025-7799, USA ; ; Version 5A(188): 23 November 1992 ; Version 5A(189): 29 June 1993 ; Version 5A(190): 04 October 1994 ; Version 5A(191): 17 April 1995 ; Version 6.0.192: 6 September 1996 ; Version 7.0.196: 1 January 2000 ; ; This is the standard and recommended C-Kermit 7.0 initialization file. To ; override settings or definitions made in this file, to add new settings or ; definitions, or to make any other desired customizations, create a separate, ; personal customization file called: ; ; .mykermrc (UNIX, OS-9, Aegis, BeBox, Plan 9) ; CKERMOD.INI (OS/2, VMS, OpenVMS, AOS/VS, Atari ST, Commodore Amiga) ; ckermod.ini (VOS) ; ; You can also define the customization filename in an environment ; variable (logical name in VMS), CKERMOD, which takes precedence over ; the names shown above. ; ; WHAT THIS FILE DOES: ; ; . The FULLSCREEN file transfer display is selected if it is available ; . Defines your default dialing directory name: ; .kdd for UNIX, OS-9 and Aegis; CKERMIT.KDD for other operating systems. ; You can override this with the environment variable K_DIAL_DIRECTORY ; . Defines your default network directory name: ; .knd for UNIX, OS-9 and Aegis; CKERMIT.KND for other operating systems. ; You can override this with the environment variable K_NET_DIRECTORY ; . Defines your default services directory name: ; .ksd for UNIX, OS-9 and Aegis; CKERMIT.KSD for other operating systems. ; You can override this with environment variable K_SERVICE_DIRECTORY. ; . Defines your customization file name (name given above) ; . Performs system-dependent setups for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, etc. ; . Defines an EDIT macro to let you invoke a text editor from C-Kermit. ; . Defines TSEND, BSEND, TGET, BGET macros for text and binary file transfer. ; . Defines VTPRINT, PCGET, and PCSEND macros for use with MS-DOS Kermit, etc. ; . Opens your dialing directory if you have one. ; . Reads your services directory and defines ACCESS and LIST macros for it. ; . Executes your personal customization file, if you have one. ; ; C-Kermit 6.0 is documented in the book "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition, ; by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, 1997, Digital Press / ; Butterworth-Heinemann, ISBN 1-55558-164-1. Updates are described in the ; text file, ckermit2.txt. ; Everything after this point depends on the script programming language. ; The CHECK command terminates this command file immediately if the script ; programming language (IF command) is not configured. ; set take error on ; This makes CHECK quit if no script language. check if ; Do we have an IF command? If not, quit now. set take error off ; Back to normal. set line /dev/cua/a ; dkc local _sd _servicedir _xp ; Declare local variables. COMMENT - C-Kermit version 6.0 or later required. ; asg _xp \v(xprogram) if not def _xp asg _xp \v(program) if not equal "\m(_xp)" "C-Kermit" - stop 1 \v(cmdfile): This initialization file is only for C-Kermit. echo Executing \v(cmdfile) for \v(system)... if < \v(version) 60000 - stop 1 \v(cmdfile): C-Kermit 6.0 or later required. forward \v(system) ; First do system-dependent items... :unknown ; Should not happen Stop 1 Error: System type unknown! :Aegis ; Apollo Aegis and :UNIX ; UNIX, all versions asg _myinit - \v(home).mykermrc ; Customization filename if remote forward COMMON ; Skip local-mode items if "-R" asg _dialdir - \v(home).kdd ; C-Kermit dialing directory asg _netdir - \v(home).knd ; C-Kermit network directory asg _servicedir - \v(home).ksd ; C-Kermit services directory if \findex(IRIX,\v(platform)) - set send packet-length 4000 ; Bug in IRIX Telnet server. forward COMMON ; End of UNIX section :OS9/68K ; OS-9 asg _myinit - \v(home).mykermrc ; Customization filename if remote forward COMMON asg _dialdir - \v(home).kdd ; C-Kermit dialing directory asg _netdir - \v(home).knd ; C-Kermit network directory asg _servicedir - \v(home).ksd ; C-Kermit services directory if eq "\$(TERM)" "vt100" - ; File transfer display set file display full ; Only works with VT-100 terminal type else if eq "\$(TERM)" "VT100" - set file display full else set file display crt forward COMMON ; End of OS-9 section :VMS ; VMS and OpenVMS forward COMMON :OS/2 ; Kermit 95 :WIN32 echo This initialization file is not for use with K95. forward COMMON ; End of OS/2 section :AOS/VS ; Data General AOS/VS set window 1 ; Sliding windows don't work set file char dg-international ; File character-set set xfer char latin1 ; Transfer character-set set file display crt ; File transfer fisplay def cli push ; Escape to CLI def reset - ; Macro to reset DG DASHER terminal run write [!ascii 236 306 301] forward COMMON ; End of AOS/VS section :Amiga ; Commodore Amiga def cls echo \27[H\27[2J ; CLS command to clear the screen set file display full ; Supports fullscreen display set file char latin1 ; Use Latin Alphabet 1 for file transfer set xfer char latin1 ; ... forward COMMON ; End of Amiga section :Atari_ST ; Atari ST def cls echo \27H\27J ; Clear screen a`la VT52 set file display crt ; FULLSCREEN not available set server display on ; Show file xfer display in server mode too set server timeout 15 ; Nonzero required for ^C interruption! forward COMMON ; End of Atari ST section :Macintosh ; Apple Macintosh set server display on ; Show file xfer display in server mode too. forward COMMON :Stratus_VOS ; Stratus VOS asg _myinit \v(home)ckermod.ini if remote forward COMMON asg _dialdir \v(home)ckermit.kdd asg _netdir \v(home)ckermit.knd asg _servicedir \v(home)ckermit.ksd set file display crt ; FULLSCREEN not available forward COMMON ; End of Stratus VOS section :COMMON ; For all systems ; Define macros that are useful when running C-Kermit in remote mode. ; These macros serve no purpose on local-mode-only versions such as ; OS/2, Macintosh, Amiga, and Atari ST Kermit, so we skip defining them ; for those systems. ; if not = 0 \findex(\v(system),WIN32:OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) - forward files ; VTPRINT macro. Print a file on your PC's local printer. def VTPRINT echo \27[5i, type \%1, echo \27[4i ; or if your printer needs a formfeed to force the page out: ; def VTPRINT def echo \27[5i, type \%1, echo \12\27[4i ; Macros for host-initiated file transfer using APC: ; NOT NEEDED ANY MORE because of autodownload/autoupload. ; Remove the following FORWARD command to reinstate these definitions: :FILES ; Get customization and directory file names. Environment variables take ; precedence, so you do not have to edit this file to change these filenames. ; if def \$(CKERMOD) assign _myinit \$(CKERMOD) if not def _myinit assign _myinit \v(home)CKERMOD.INI if remote forward CUSTOM ; Skip all this if -R given on command line if def \$(K_NET_DIRECTORY) assign _netdir \$(K_NET_DIRECTORY) if not def _netdir assign _netdir \v(home)CKERMIT.KND if def \$(K_DIAL_DIRECTORY) assign _dialdir \$(K_DIAL_DIRECTORY) if not def _dialdir assign _dialdir \v(home)CKERMIT.KDD CHECK DIAL ; Is there a DIAL command? xif fail { ; No. echo DIAL disabled forward CUSTOM } CHECK NETWORK xif success { xif exist \m(_netdir) { set net directory \m(_netdir) echo { Network directory is \m(_netdir) } } } if eq "\v(name)" "telnet" forward CUSTOM xif exist \m(_dialdir) { set dial directory \m(_dialdir) echo { Dial directory is \m(_dialdir) } } COMMENT - Services directory if def \$(K_SERVICE_DIRECTORY) assign _servicedir \$(K_SERVICE_DIRECTORY) if not def _servicedir assign _servicedir \v(home)CKERMIT.KSD if not exist \m(_servicedir) forward connection echo { Services directory is \m(_servicedir)} def MAX_SVCS 200 ; Adjust this if you have more entries define _sd 0 ; Assume no services directory open read \m(_servicedir) ; Try to open services directory file xif success { declare \&d[\m(MAX_SVCS)] ; It's open, declare directory array for \%i 1 \m(MAX_SVCS) 1 { ; Read the lines into the array read \&d[\%i] if fail break } close read xif > \%i \m(MAX_SVCS) { echo Too many entries in services directory echo { Maximum is \m(MAX_SVCS).} echo { Change definition of MAX_SVCS in \v(cmdfile) to allow more. } echo { Services directory disabled.} } else { asg \&d[0] \feval(\%i - 1) define _sd 1 } } xif not \m(_sd) { def access echo { Services directory not available.} asg list \m(access) } else { def FIND { set case off for \%i 1 \&d[0] 1 { if eq {\%1} {\fsubstr(\&d[\%i],1,\flen(\%1))} break } if not > \%i \&d[0] return \&d[\%i] } def LIST { xif > \v(argc) 1 { find \%1 if def \v(return) echo \v(return) else echo \%1: Not found } else { echo \&d[0] items in services directory: for \%i 1 \&d[0] 1 { echo \fcont(\&d[\%i]) } } } def SPLIT { asg _word1 \%1, asg _word2 \%2 } def DOACCESS { ; (Used internally by ACCESS macro) do \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 ; Do the connection macro if fail end 1 split \%3 ; Get words from \%3 asg \%3 \m(_word1) asg \%2 \m(_word2) do \%3 \%4 {\%1} \%2 ; Login macro, userid, password, prompt } def ACCESS { if not defined \%1 end 1 access what? ; Check service find \%1 ; Look it up if success doaccess {\%2} \v(return) ; OK, try it else end 1 "\%1" not in services directory ; Not found if fail end 1 ; DOACCESS failed? xif eq \v(cmdlevel) 1 { echo echo ACCESS: Login succeeded - CONNECTing... show escape output \13 connect /quietly } } } :CONNECTION ; Macros for making connections COMMENT - SERIAL macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = device name ; \%2 = speed ; def SERIAL { if < \v(argc) 3 ; All arguments given? end 1 Usage: SERIAL device speed ; No. set line \%1 ; OK, try to SET LINE. if failure - ; If this failed, end 1 Can't open device: \%1 ; print message and quit. set speed \%2 ; Try to set the speed. if fail end 1 Unsupported speed: \%2 ; Failed. echo Connection successful. ; Succeeded. } COMMENT - NET macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = network type ; \%2 = host name or address ; def NET { if < \v(argc) 3 end 1 Usage: NET network host set network type \%1 if fail end 1 unsupported network: \%1 set login user ; Don't send user ID. set host \%2 if fail end 1 Can't reach host: \%2 echo Connection successful. } COMMENT - CALL macro. Arguments: ; ; \%1 = modem type ; \%2 = device name ; \%3 = speed ; \%4 = phone number ; def CALL { if < \v(argc) 5 - ; All arguments present? end 1 Usage: CALL modem device speed number xif not equal {\v(modem)} {\%1} { ; Set modem type set modem \%1 if fail end 1 unknown modem type: \%1 } xif not equal {\v(line)} {\%2} { ; Communication device set line \%2 if fail end 1 can't open device: \%2 } xif not equal {\v(speed)} {\%3} { ; Communication speed set speed \%3 if fail end 1 unsupported speed: \%3 } dial \%4 ; Dial the number if fail end 1 Can't place call: \%4 end 0 Connection successful. } COMMENT - TCPCALL macro. Arguments: ; ; \%1 = server name:port ; \%2 = modem type ; \%3 = phone number ; def TCPCALL { if < \v(argc) 4 - ; All arguments present? end 1 Usage: TCPCALL server[:port] modem number set net type tcp/ip ; Which network to use if fail end 1 unsupported network: tcp/ip set host \%1 ; Access server and port if fail end 1 can't access server \%1 set modem \%2 ; Set modem type if fail end 1 unknown modem type: \%2 dial \%3 ; Dial the number if fail end 1 Can't place call: \%3 end 0 Connection successful. } COMMENT - SPRINT macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = Service name or address ; def SPRINT { if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 service set input timeout proceed output @D\13 input 10 TERMINAL= if fail end 1 No terminal prompt out D1\13 inp 10 @ if fail end 1 No atsign prompt output c \%1\13 input 10 CONNECTED if fail end 1 Can't access \%1 from SprintNet } COMMENT - ULOGIN macro. For logging into systems where user ID is required ; but there is no password. Arguments: ; \%1 = UNIX user ID ; define ULOGIN { if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 userid set input timeout proceed ; Handle timeouts ourselves set case on ; Case is important in UNIX minput 5 login: Username: {User ID:} {User Name:} out \%1\13 ; Send username, carriage return end 0 } COMMENT - VMSLOGIN macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = VMS user ID ; \%2 = Password. If password not supplied, it is prompted for. ; \%3 = System prompt. If omitted a default is supplied. ; define VMSLOGIN { if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 userid [ password [ prompt ] ] while not defined \%2 { askq \%2 { \%1's password: } } set parity none ; Set communication parameters set duplex full set handshake none set input timeout proceed ; Handle timeouts ourselves in 5 Username: ; Is prompt already there? xif fail { ; No. for \%i 1 3 1 { ; Try 3 times to get it. out \13 ; Send carriage return in 5 Username: ; Look for prompt if success break ; Success, go log in } if > \%i 3 end 1 No Username prompt } out \%1\13 ; Send username, carriage return inp 5 Password: ; Wait 5 sec for this prompt if fail end 1 No password prompt pause ; Wait a sec out \%2\13 ; Send password xif not emulation { ; No emulator built in? set input echo off ; Protect terminal from this minput 10 {\27Z} {\27[c} {\27[0c} ; Get terminal ID query xif success { ; Got one output \27[\?1c ; Send VT100 terminal ID in 2 \27[6n ; Screen dimension query? if succ out \27[\v(rows);\v(cols)R ; Send dimensions } set input echo on ; Echo input again } if not def \%3 - ; If we were not given a prompt asg \%3 {\v(prompt)} ; use the SET LOGIN PROMPT value if not def \%3 - ; If we still don't have a prompt asg \%3 {\13$\32} ; use this one as the default reinp 0 \%3 ; Did we INPUT the prompt already? if fail inp 60 \%3 ; No, look now. if fail end 1 } COMMENT - UNIXLOGIN macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = UNIX user ID ; \%2 = Password. If password not supplied, it is prompted for. ; \%3 = System prompt. If omitted a default is supplied. ; define UNIXLOGIN { local \%m \%i if < \v(argc) 2 - end 1 Usage: \%0 userid [ password [ prompt ] ] while not defined \%2 { askq \%2 { \%1's password: } } set input echo on set parity none ; Set communication parameters. set duplex full set handshake none set input timeout proceed ; Handle timeouts ourselves set case on ; Case is important in UNIX def \%m 10 ; Waiting time for INPUT for \%i 1 5 1 { minput \%m login: {ssword:} {Password for \%1:} if success break output \B\13 \%m ::= 6-\%1 } if > \%i 5 end 1 {No response from host} xif = \v(minput) 1 { ; Have username prompt output \%1\13 ; Send username minput 5 {ssword:} {ssword for \%1:} ; Wait for password prompt if fail end 1 {No password prompt} } pause ; Wait a sec out \%2\13 ; Send password if not def \%3 - ; If we were not given a prompt asg \%3 {\v(prompt)} ; use the SET LOGIN PROMPT value if not def \%3 - ; If we still don't have a prompt asg \%3 {\10$ } ; use this one as the default reinp 0 \%3 ; Did we INPUT the prompt already? if fail inp 60 \%3 ; No, look now. if fail end 1 } COMMENT - VMLINELOGIN macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = User ID ; \%2 = Password ; define VMLINELOGIN { if < \v(argc) 2 - end 1 Usage: \%0 userid [ password ] while not defined \%2 { askq \%2 { \%1's password: } } set parity mark ; Set communication parameters set flow none set handshake xon set duplex half set input timeout quit ; Don't bother with IF FAILURE input 10 BREAK KEY ; Look for BREAK KEY prompt pause 1 ; Wait a second output \B ; Send BREAK input 10 .\17, output logon \%1\13 ; Now log in input 10 .\17, output \%2\13 ; Send password input 10 .\17, output \13 ; Send carriage return input 10 .\17, output \13 ; Send another one end 0 } COMMENT - VMFULLOGIN macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = User ID ; \%2 = Password ; define VMFULLOGIN { if < \v(argc) 2 - end 1 Usage: \%0 userid [ password ] while not defined \%2 { askq \%2 { \%1's password: } } set input timeout quit ; Quit if INPUT fails set parity even ; Set communication parameters set duplex full set handshake none set flow xon/xoff out \13 ; Send carriage return inp 5 TERMINAL TYPE: ; Get terminal-type prompt out vt-100\13 ; Just send "vt-100" inp 20 RUNNING ; Get RUNNING message pau 1 ; Wait one second out \%1\9\%2\13 ; Send user ID, tab, password out \13\13 ; Two more carriage returns end 0 } COMMENT - CISLOGIN macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = CompuServe User ID ; \%2 = Password ; \%3 = Prompt ; define CISLOGIN { if < \v(argc) 2 - end 1 Usage: \%0 userid [ password [ prompt ] ] while not defined \%2 { askq \%2 { \%1's password: } } set terminal bytesize 7 ; No 8-bit characters set input timeout quit ; Skip the IF FAILURE's output \13 ; Send initial carriage return input 5 Host Name: ; Look for Host Name prompt output cis\13 ; Send "cis" and carriage return input 5 User ID: ; Look for User ID prompt output \%1\13 ; Send ID and carriage return input Password: ; Look for Password prompt output \%2\13 ; Send password and CR if not def \%3 asg \%3 \v(prompt) if not def \%3 asg \%3 {CompuServe Information Service} input 30 \%3 end 0 } COMMENT - DOWLOGIN macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = Dow Jones Password ; define DOWLOGIN { while not defined \%1 { ; Get password askq \%1 { Dow Jones password: } } set input timeout proceed input 20 SERVICE PLEASE\?\?\?\? ; Look for Dow prompt if fail end 1 No service prompt out djnr\13 ; Select DJNR input 10 @@@@@@@@ ; Get password prompt if fail end 1 No password prompt pause 1 ; Wait a second, then... output \%1\13 ; send password and CR input 30 ENTER QUERY ; Get DJNR query prompt if fail end 1 No main query prompt pause 1 } COMMENT - DJNRSPRINT macro: Log in to Dow Jones via SprintNet. ; def djnrsprint sprint dow, if success dowlogin COMMENT - NOLOGIN macro. Does nothing. Use when login not required. ; def nologin comment :CUSTOM ; Customization file ; In VMS and OpenVMS, allow for system-wide site customizations xif equal "\v(system)" "VMS" { xif exist CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS { echo Executing CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS take CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS } } ; Execute user's personal customization file xif exist \m(_myinit) { ; If it exists, echo Executing \m(_myinit)... ; print message, take \m(_myinit) ; and TAKE the file. } ; Finish up with traditional greeting. if < \v(ntime) 43200 echo Good Morning! else if < \v(ntime) 61200 echo Good Afternoon! else echo Good Evening. End ; of C-Kermit 7.0 initialization file. =============================== here is the run, t.script: This is a run via doing the unix "script t.script". (I left the "internal" ^M's, so you could see them). Script started on Tue Jul 31 15:51:55 2001 ====================== (as user=~) AM STARTING ~dkc/.cshrc: STARTING /.CHSHRC-FOR-ALL-TO-RUN: CSHDEPTH is now = 2 two two.8 three Yes, I see that file '/foo/cdsetprompt.csh' IS 'readable': Therefore, I now make 'cd' into an ALILAS, which EXPANSION is: five six nine STARTING ROOTS /.MYALIAS: ------ STARTING .myalias_general ------ $: Command not found ------ ENDING .myalias-general ENDING ROOTS /.MYALIAS ENDING /.CSHRC-FOR-ALL-TO-RUN (from .login, will now SOURCE-IN \~dkc/.myalias: STARTING ~DKC/.MYALIAS: ------ STARTING .myalias_general ------ ------ ENDING .myalias-general STARTING ~dkc/.myalias_homeonly -----:ENDING ~dkc/.myalias_homeonly STARTING ~dkc/.myalias_4today -----: ENDING ~dkc/.myalias_4today \n \n DON'T FORGET: if NOT single-user mode, DO source ~dkc/.myalias_extra:\n DON'T FORGET: if NOT single-user mode, DO source ~dkc/.myalias_extra:\n DON'T FORGET: if NOT single-user mode, DO source ~dkc/.myalias_extra:\n \n \n ENDING ~DKC/.MYALIAS NOW WILL SOURCE ~/.cshrc-more-for-today: ONE: .cshrc-more-for-today AS OF 24mar98: TWO THREE FOUR FIVE SIX HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in ~/.cshrc RE SOLARIS, FOR SET PROMPT. ----- BE SURE AND DO: 'source .setpath4pwrtools' ----- BE SURE AND DO: 'source .setpath4pwrtools' ----- BE SURE AND DO: 'source .setpath4pwrtools' .cshrc: now doing setenv of LESSHELP and MANPATH (for pwrTools): Now doing: setenv LESSHELP Now doing: setenv MANPATH ================ ENDING ~dkc/.chsrc 283 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> ^Y^C 283 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> /david3/from_netcom-dir1/kermit-stuff/8.0-beta--cku200b02/wermit -y kermrc-for-v7 Executing kermrc-for-v7 for UNIX... Executing /myexternals/home/dkc/.mykermrc... Executing SAMPLE C-Kermit customization file /myexternals/home/dkc/.mykermrc for UNIX... Please edit this file to reflect your needs and preferences. " PANIX DIAL-IN (Lower-Westchester) (914) 509-9202 (ie 5099202) <<===" " (BUT to PHONE panix-hq PEOPLE: 212-741-4400)" " (x-1 service; x-4 tech spt; x-5 bill) " " (I am: panix Customer Good Afternoon! C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.02, 28 Jun 2001, for Solaris 7 Copyright (C) 1985, 2001, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/myexternals/home/dkc/) C-Kermit>dial 5099202 Trying: 5099202... Device: /dev/cua/a, modem: generic, speed: 9600 Dial timeout: 70 seconds To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). Hangup OK Initializing: 15:53:02... ATQ0V1 ATQ0V1 ATQ0V1 No response from modem, retrying... No response from modem, retrying again... ATQ0V1 ATQ0V1 No response from modem, retrying again... ATQ0V1 No response from modem, retrying again... Dialing: 15:53:17... ATD5099202 DIAL Failure: 15:53:20: Interrupted.  (/myexternals/home/dkc/) C-Kermit>a q Closing /dev/cua/a...OK Returning you to UNIX now. 284 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 284 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 284 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> echo NOTE: a couple of lights on the modem were     flashed a time or two NOTE: a couple of lights on the modem flashed a time or two 285 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 285 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 285 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 285 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> /david3/from_netcom-dir1/kermit-stuff/8.0-beta--cku200b02/wermit -y .mykermrc-for-v7 Executing SAMPLE C-Kermit customization file .mykermrc-for-v7 for UNIX... Please edit this file to reflect your needs and preferences. " PANIX DIAL-IN (Lower-Westchester) (914) 509-9202 (ie 5099202) <<===" " (BUT to PHONE panix-hq PEOPLE: 212-741-4400)" " (x-1 service; x-4 tech spt; x-5 bill) " " (I am: panix Customer C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.02, 28 Jun 2001, for Solaris 7 Copyright (C) 1985, 2001, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/myexternals/home/dkc/) C-Kermit>dial 5099202 Trying: 5099202... Device: /dev/cua/a, modem: generic, speed: 9600 Dial timeout: 70 seconds To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). Hangup OK Initializing: 15:54:23... ATQ0V1 ATQ0V1 ATQ0V1 No response from modem, retrying... No response from modem, retrying again... ATQ0V1 ATQ0V1 No response from modem, retrying again... ATQ0V1 No response from modem, retrying again... Dialing: 15:54:38... ATD5099202 DIAL Failure: 15:54:44: Interrupted.  (/myexternals/home/dkc/) C-Kermit>q Closing /dev/cua/a...OK Returning you to UNIX now. 286 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 286 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 286 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 286 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 286 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> aliasx^? ^C 286 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> alias runkermit /david3/from_netcom-dir2/sources-stuff/c-kermit-192/wermit !* 287 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> run^?^?^?^C 287 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> 287 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> runkermit -y .mykermrc-for-v6 "" "------- ENTER .mykermrc::" " HELLO David, this is the LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL .mykermrc!" " HELLO David, this is the LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL .mykermrc!" " HELLO David, this is the LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL .mykermrc!" " ---------------------------" " ---------------------------" " ---------------------------" " PANIX DIAL-IN (Lower-Westchester) (914) 509-9202 (ie 5099202) <<===" " (BUT to PHONE panix-hq PEOPLE: 212-741-4400)" " (x-1 service; x-4 tech spt; x-5 bill) " " (I am: panix Customer "------- EXIT .mykermrc." "" C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Default file-transfer mode is TEXT Type ? or HELP for help. [/myexternals/home/dkc] C-Kermit>dial 5099202 Trying: 5099202... Device: /dev/cua/a, modem: usrobotics, speed: 38400 Dial timeout: 42 seconds To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). Call complete. Connecting to /dev/cua/a, speed 38400. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. Annex Command Line Interpreter * Copyright (C) 1988, 2000 Nortel Networks For access to Panix, type "panix" at the prompt. For info about panix or to sign up, type "help". For dialup-IP, type "PPP" now. If you can't log in type "trouble". Which service, please? ^C^C^C CLI: Command not found. For access to Panix, type "panix" at the prompt. For info about panix or to sign up, type "help". For dialup-IP, type "PPP" now. If you can't log in type "trouble". Which service, please? (Back at cpml) [/myexternals/home/dkc] C-Kermit>quit A serial connection might still be active on /dev/cua/a. OK to exit? no [/myexternals/home/dkc] C-Kermit>quit A serial connection might still be active on /dev/cua/a. OK to exit? y 288 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> exit 289 ==/myexternals/home/dkc==> script done on Tue Jul 31 15:56:20 2001 From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 10 10:41:20 EDT 2001 Article: 12651 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I installed Beta; won't dial; new settings needed? Date: 10 Aug 2001 14:40:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: <9l0ro7$2l6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> <9jsa05$fnd$1@news.panix.com> <9jsbit$999$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9l048e$k04$1@news.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997454407 2726 128.59.39.2 (10 Aug 2001 14:40:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 14:40:07 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12651 In article <9l048e$k04$1@news.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : In article <9jsbit$999$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : > : >: And, do you know of some sun patch that fixes the : >: solaris problem? (Yes, I'll download the beta kermit.) : >: : >The Solaris problem is that the API changed out from : >under Kermit. The solution is to download the Beta : >Kermit. : : Frank -- I *did* download the Beta Kermit. : : I tried it with the old (6.192) init-files, etc, : and it wouldn't actually dial the phone (no : sounds out of the modem), although it make the : modem-lights flash quickly two or maybe three times. : : Please -- any ideas "off the cuff" of *significant* : changes required in the init file(s)? : C-Kermit 8.0 Beta does work on Solaris; it has been tested thoroughly. There is no magic to it; the basic sequence is the same as ever: set modem type usrobotics ; or whatever set port /dev/cua ; or whatever set speed 57600 ; or whatever dial 7654321 ; or other phone number You don't even need to include "set flow rts/cts" because Kermit picks this up automatically from the modem database if you have chosen a modem type that supports it. If you have set up your end of the connection correctly (e.g. told Kermit the kind of modem you actually have, rather than saying "set modem type hayes", a common mistake), and your connection is not working, it could be for any of the many reasons (and many more combinations of reasons) listed in the troubleshooting chapter of the C-Kermit book (do you have a copy?). Some of these problems might be outside of your control. For example, the connection between the answering modem and its serial port might not be effectively flow controlled. Talk to your ISP about it, and if they can't do anything, then adjust your Kermit settings until Kermit transfers work, even through this lossy connection: shorter packets, smaller window size, slower serial speed, whatever. Please don't send huge scripts, logs, etc, to the newsgroup. The entire world doesn't need to see them. That's what the kermit-support@columbia.edu email address is for. - Frank From steve@baus-systems.com Fri Aug 10 12:10:30 EDT 2001 Article: 12652 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Steve" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Init settings Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:04:02 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9kpn6s$eb4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 55 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12652 I have a standard external Zoom modem which works fine. I setup the Zoom with an init string which includes s0=1 and then set K95 in server mode, the other side dials in and sends and gets files as needed. As an excersise to prove I have no life, I was messing around with a USB modem to see if I could get it to work specifying it as Tapi. I initially set the modem by going into connect mode and sending an AT string which seemed to take fine but I could not get the USB modem to keep the s0=1 setting so the modem was not answering once in server mode. I then made a change to output an init string as Windows said it was using Com3:. That got the modem to answer and most of the time it would work but about ever 4th or 5th call in the middle of files going across I would get an exception error or the PC would simply reboot which typically is not what you would like to see during a file transfer. I set the Zoom backup and no problem. Steve Jeffrey Altman wrote in message news:9kpn6s$eb4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article , > Steve wrote: > : What are my options for specifying modem settings in an ini file? > : > : I have a Zoom external modem I would like to setup with AT commands when I > : start k95. If this is best accomplished in a global k95 init file I need to > : make sure they are specific to the Zoom modem as I may be using other modems > : in the future. I have created another .ini file that I am calling when I > : startup so if it is better to include it there, that is an option. > : > : What do I need to do to use a USB modem, set the port and the specific > : settings like above? > : > : Thanks, > : Steve > > Unlike MS-DOS Kermit, K95 does not need AT commands to be specified in > an init file. If you are installing the Zoom modem under Windows to > support the USB connection, your best bet is to simply access the > modem as a TAPI (windows telephony) device > > SET TAPI Line > > and then either DIAL or ANSWER as your needs require. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 10 12:10:33 EDT 2001 Article: 12653 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Init settings Date: 10 Aug 2001 16:10:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9l111n$64i$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9kpn6s$eb4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997459831 6290 128.59.39.2 (10 Aug 2001 16:10:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 16:10:31 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12653 In article , Steve wrote: : I have a standard external Zoom modem which works fine. I setup the Zoom : with an init string which includes s0=1 and then set K95 in server mode, the : other side dials in and sends and gets files as needed. : : As an excersise to prove I have no life, I was messing around with a USB : modem to see if I could get it to work specifying it as Tapi. I initially : set the modem by going into connect mode and sending an AT string which : seemed to take fine but I could not get the USB modem to keep the s0=1 : setting so the modem was not answering once in server mode... : Why not sidestep all of this and use Kermit's built-in ANSWER command, which does all of this for you? : I then made a : change to output an init string as Windows said it was using Com3:. That : got the modem to answer and most of the time it would work but about ever : 4th or 5th call in the middle of files going across I would get an exception : error or the PC would simply reboot which typically is not what you would : like to see during a file transfer. : : I set the Zoom backup and no problem. : It is quite conceivable that a buggy modem, especially a "controllerless" (software) modem, could crash Windows. As always, we recommend external modems. It's not a Kermit issue, it's just good sense. - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 10 12:21:55 EDT 2001 Article: 12654 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Init settings Date: 10 Aug 2001 16:12:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 85 Message-ID: <9l115o$661$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9kpn6s$eb4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997459960 6337 128.59.39.2 (10 Aug 2001 16:12:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 16:12:40 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12654 In K95 it is not necessary to send AT sequences from a script. To acheive your desired goal set ask-timer 5 set tapi line zoom-modem-name while success { answer 0 if success server getc \%c {Answer another call? } } close connection instead of set tapi line you could use set modem type set port com3 set speed 57600 set flow rts/cts In article , Steve wrote: : I have a standard external Zoom modem which works fine. I setup the Zoom : with an init string which includes s0=1 and then set K95 in server mode, the : other side dials in and sends and gets files as needed. : : As an excersise to prove I have no life, I was messing around with a USB : modem to see if I could get it to work specifying it as Tapi. I initially : set the modem by going into connect mode and sending an AT string which : seemed to take fine but I could not get the USB modem to keep the s0=1 : setting so the modem was not answering once in server mode. I then made a : change to output an init string as Windows said it was using Com3:. That : got the modem to answer and most of the time it would work but about ever : 4th or 5th call in the middle of files going across I would get an exception : error or the PC would simply reboot which typically is not what you would : like to see during a file transfer. : : I set the Zoom backup and no problem. : Steve : : Jeffrey Altman wrote in message : news:9kpn6s$eb4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... : > In article , : > Steve wrote: : > : What are my options for specifying modem settings in an ini file? : > : : > : I have a Zoom external modem I would like to setup with AT commands when : I : > : start k95. If this is best accomplished in a global k95 init file I : need to : > : make sure they are specific to the Zoom modem as I may be using other : modems : > : in the future. I have created another .ini file that I am calling when : I : > : startup so if it is better to include it there, that is an option. : > : : > : What do I need to do to use a USB modem, set the port and the specific : > : settings like above? : > : : > : Thanks, : > : Steve : > : > Unlike MS-DOS Kermit, K95 does not need AT commands to be specified in : > an init file. If you are installing the Zoom modem under Windows to : > support the USB connection, your best bet is to simply access the : > modem as a TAPI (windows telephony) device : > : > SET TAPI Line : > : > and then either DIAL or ANSWER as your needs require. : > : > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available : > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP : > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and : > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. : : Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From faunt@panix.com Fri Aug 10 13:02:17 EDT 2001 Article: 12655 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 font size? Date: 10 Aug 2001 12:58:09 -0400 Organization: at home, in Oakland, California Lines: 10 Sender: faunt@panix1.panix.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.panix.com 997462690 21231 166.84.1.1 (10 Aug 2001 16:58:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 16:58:10 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12655 When I start up my K95 window, it says "auto" in the left top, and takes the whole screen. I'd like it to come up with "8x12", which would make it the right size. And while I'm asking about fonts, how can I find other fonts? I like the non-TT ones (they're a bit heavier), mostly, but wouldn't mind having other sizes available. 73, doug From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 10 13:09:24 EDT 2001 Article: 12656 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 font size? Date: 10 Aug 2001 17:07:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9l14d3$8g8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997463267 8712 128.59.39.2 (10 Aug 2001 17:07:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 17:07:47 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12656 Please read http://www.kermit-project.org/k95faq.html#fonts In article , Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote: : When I start up my K95 window, it says "auto" in the left top, and : takes the whole screen. : I'd like it to come up with "8x12", which would make it the right : size. : : And while I'm asking about fonts, how can I find other fonts? I like : the non-TT ones (they're a bit heavier), mostly, but wouldn't mind : having other sizes available. : : 73, doug Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From faunt@panix.com Fri Aug 10 15:32:17 EDT 2001 Article: 12657 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 font size? Date: 10 Aug 2001 15:23:01 -0400 Organization: at home, in Oakland, California Lines: 31 Sender: faunt@panix1.panix.com Message-ID: References: <9l14d3$8g8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.panix.com 997471381 28071 166.84.1.1 (10 Aug 2001 19:23:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 19:23:01 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12657 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > Please read > > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95faq.html#fonts > Unfortunately, there's no tab labeled "fonts" when I rightclick on the created shortcut. I'm running W98SE. Any other ideas? 73, doug > > > In article , > Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote: > : When I start up my K95 window, it says "auto" in the left top, and > : takes the whole screen. > : I'd like it to come up with "8x12", which would make it the right > : size. > : > : And while I'm asking about fonts, how can I find other fonts? I like > : the non-TT ones (they're a bit heavier), mostly, but wouldn't mind > : having other sizes available. > : > : 73, doug > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 10 15:33:38 EDT 2001 Article: 12658 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 font size? Date: 10 Aug 2001 19:33:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9l1cuh$ggc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9l14d3$8g8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997472017 16908 128.59.39.2 (10 Aug 2001 19:33:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2001 19:33:37 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12658 In article , Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote: : jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: : : > Please read : > : > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95faq.html#fonts : > : Unfortunately, there's no tab labeled "fonts" when I rightclick on the : created shortcut. I'm running W98SE. Any other ideas? : Try this one: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#fonts - Frank From dkcombs@panix.com Sun Aug 12 11:07:56 EDT 2001 Article: 12661 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I installed Beta; won't dial; new settings needed? Date: 12 Aug 2001 08:34:48 GMT Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9l5f38$72n$1@news.panix.com> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> <9jsbit$999$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9l048e$k04$1@news.panix.com> <9l0ro7$2l6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 997605288 7255 166.84.1.3 (12 Aug 2001 08:34:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 2001 08:34:48 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Originator: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12661 Thanks so much for your reply. And if you'll let me, I'll ask once more: what significant differences between v6 and this new beta -- that would necessitate a change in the init files (even if none of the new features were used)? Any hints? (Because at least the old one *works* well (at late night!); this new one won't even dial the phone. And I *think* I'm using the *same* init files as before.) Thanks David In article <9l0ro7$2l6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >Please don't send huge scripts, logs, etc, to the newsgroup. >The entire world doesn't need to see them. That's what >the kermit-support@columbia.edu email address is for. > Understood. David From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 12 11:08:00 EDT 2001 Article: 12663 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I installed Beta; won't dial; new settings needed? Date: 12 Aug 2001 11:25:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9l5p38$dt8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> <9l048e$k04$1@news.panix.com> <9l0ro7$2l6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9l5f38$72n$1@news.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997615528 14248 128.59.39.2 (12 Aug 2001 11:25:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 2001 11:25:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12663 In article <9l5f38$72n$1@news.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : : Any hints? : (Because at least the old one *works* well (at late night!); : this new one won't even dial the phone. : : And I *think* I'm using the *same* init files as before.) Based upon the output you sent to this newsgroup I would have to say that you are not using the same init files as before. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 12 11:08:17 EDT 2001 Article: 12664 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I installed Beta; won't dial; new settings needed? Date: 12 Aug 2001 15:07:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: <9l664f$m6c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9jr3bp$sta$1@panix2.panix.com> <9l048e$k04$1@news.panix.com> <9l0ro7$2l6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9l5f38$72n$1@news.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997628879 22732 128.59.39.2 (12 Aug 2001 15:07:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 2001 15:07:59 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12664 In article <9l5f38$72n$1@news.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : And if you'll let me, I'll ask once more: : : what significant differences between v6 and : this new beta -- that would necessitate : a change in the init files (even if none : of the new features were used)? : Each new release represents a lot of work and a lot of changes. They are listed in the release notes for each release, and during the Beta period, for the Beta. The changes from 6.0 to 7.0 are listed on the C-Kermit 7.0 web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html The changes in C-Kermit 8.0 Beta are listed in the C-Kermit 8.0 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html You can see the changes in much more detail in the daily edit history: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckc197.txt <-- 6.0 to 7.0 ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckc200.txt <-- 7.0 to 8.0 The biggest change in 8.0 in the dialing area is that the default modem type changed from NONE to GENERIC. However, this should not affect you if you give a SET MODEM TYPE command to selecte a specific kind of modem. It only affects people who try to dial without first specifying a modem type. Also the default modem hangup method was changed from MODEM-CoMMAND to RS232-SIGNAL. This should only affect dialing if your modem was off-hook when you tried to dial AND it ignores the computer's DTR signal. : (Because at least the old one *works* well (at late night!); : this new one won't even dial the phone. : Send the specifics to kermit-support@columbia.edu: what commands are you using in each case? Don't send all your files and scripts. Just create a short list of commands that demonstrates the problem, for example (IN THIS ORDER): set dial display on ; so you can watch what happens set modem type usrobotics ; select modem type first set line /dev/cua/a ; then port set speed 57600 ; (or other speed that works with 6.0) dial 5099202 ; (or whatever the number is) If it doesn't work, send the commands you used and results of the dial display, and the Kermit version number (as shown by the VERSION command) and we'll take it from there. - Frank From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Mon Aug 13 10:08:59 EDT 2001 Article: 12665 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "Arthur Marsh" Newsgroups: aus.rail,comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: [WA] Signalling software Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:02:07 +0930 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.9.17.248 Message-ID: <3b77c8d0$1_6@news.chariot.net.au> X-Trace: news.chariot.net.au 997705936 210.9.17.248 (13 Aug 2001 22:02:16 +0950) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!peerfeed.news.psi.net!unlisys!news.snafu.de!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.64.68.27!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!news.euro.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au!news.chariot.net.au Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu aus.rail:119418 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12665 Have a look at Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit There are free versions for MS-DOS and Unix, and a commercial version for Win9X/ME/NT/2000 and OS/2. The commercial version supports X/Y/Zmodem as well as Kermit file transfers. The configurability and technical support for Kermit is unmatched by any other communications software. "woody" wrote in message news:zF8c7.100699$Xr6.511516@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Greetings, > > I am a signalling Technician in WA and have several types of Harmon gear in > my area. > Electralogic, Electracode 4, 4+, soon 5 also, SCX level crossing and switch > controllers and I am looking for software to download logs from the 216DL > and 316DL cards. I have some that works ok with both cards but is fairly > complex on the electralogic 316DL cards. > > Woody > > > From shifeux@hotmail.com Mon Aug 13 12:46:40 EDT 2001 Article: 12666 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 13 Aug 2001 09:41:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.145.217.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997720889 1442 127.0.0.1 (13 Aug 2001 16:41:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2001 16:41:29 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12666 Hi, I have a perl script that I am trying to call from a kermit script. The kermit script will crash at the point of calling the perl script. There seems to be something wrong with the call that C-Kermit makes to the shell within a ksc script. Can someone pplease point me in the right direction for refences to calling a seperate script from the kermit script. Thanks. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 13 12:46:43 EDT 2001 Article: 12667 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 13 Aug 2001 16:46:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9l909g$bse$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997721200 12174 128.59.39.2 (13 Aug 2001 16:46:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2001 16:46:40 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12667 In article <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com>, Shifeux wrote: : Hi, I have a perl script that I am trying to call from a kermit : script. The kermit script will crash at the point of calling the perl : script. There seems to be something wrong with the call that C-Kermit : makes to the shell within a ksc script. Can someone pplease point me : in the right direction for refences to calling a seperate script from : the kermit script. Thanks. : Which Kermit program are you using, which version, on what platform? How are you calling the Perl script from it? Does the same Perl script run correctly when invoked directly from the shell? - Frank From shifeux@hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 10:51:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12669 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 14 Aug 2001 06:45:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 44 Message-ID: <336f652d.0108140545.1a1c8658@posting.google.com> References: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> <9l909g$bse$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.145.217.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997796718 10393 127.0.0.1 (14 Aug 2001 13:45:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2001 13:45:18 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12669 I am using: C-Kermit 7.0.197, 8 Feb 2000, for Data General DG/UX R4.20 I am trying to call the perl script from within an IF statement using the "run" command (I also toyed around with "exec") The perl does work fine by itself. It seems like the IF construct is causing the Kermit script to crash at the point of the run command. When I comment out the IF statement the script runs fine. I have tried various different things but nothing will let this run command run. Here is a listing of the latest try at the if statement. if failure timeout minput 10 {No files found} {Total of} switch \v(minput) { :1, if failure write TRANSACTION-LOG Files Found\13\10, define \%o 1, br eak :2, cp /kermit_scripts/\%r.termlog /cleoa+/kermit_scripts/\%r.files, break } run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl, pause 5, - define \%o 1, break input 10 {choice : } if failure timeout Thanks for the help fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9l909g$bse$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... > In article <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com>, > Shifeux wrote: > : Hi, I have a perl script that I am trying to call from a kermit > : script. The kermit script will crash at the point of calling the perl > : script. There seems to be something wrong with the call that C-Kermit > : makes to the shell within a ksc script. Can someone pplease point me > : in the right direction for refences to calling a seperate script from > : the kermit script. Thanks. > : > Which Kermit program are you using, which version, on what platform? > How are you calling the Perl script from it? Does the same Perl script > run correctly when invoked directly from the shell? > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 14 10:51:39 EDT 2001 Article: 12670 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 14 Aug 2001 14:51:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 81 Message-ID: <9lbdsm$35j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> <9l909g$bse$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <336f652d.0108140545.1a1c8658@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997800662 3251 128.59.39.2 (14 Aug 2001 14:51:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2001 14:51:02 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12670 In article <336f652d.0108140545.1a1c8658@posting.google.com>, Shifeux wrote: : I am using: C-Kermit 7.0.197, 8 Feb 2000, for Data General DG/UX : R4.20 I am trying to call the perl script from within an IF statement : using the "run" command (I also toyed around with "exec") The perl : does work fine by itself. It seems like the IF construct is causing : the Kermit script to crash at the point of the run command. When I : comment out the IF statement the script runs fine. I have tried : various different things but nothing will let this run command run. : Here is a listing of the latest try at the if statement. : : if failure timeout : : minput 10 {No files found} {Total of} : switch \v(minput) { : :1, if failure write TRANSACTION-LOG Files Found\13\10, define : \%o 1, br : eak : :2, cp /kermit_scripts/\%r.termlog : /cleoa+/kermit_scripts/\%r.files, break : } : run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl, pause 5, - : define \%o 1, break : : : input 10 {choice : } : if failure timeout : OK, this is all fractured and hard to read; I assume you're not trying to run a fractured original. "run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl" should work if the xxxxxxx.pl file contains a first line that looks like: #!/usr/bin/perl and it has execute permission: 1. Can you run it from the shell prompt by typing its name? 2. If so, can you run it from Kermit by typing "run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl" at the C-Kermit> prompt? Assuming the answer to both is yes, let's try to reconstruct your fractured script: minput 10 {No files found} {Total of} switch \v(minput) { :1, if failure write TRANSACTION-LOG Files Found\13\10 define \%o 1 break :2, cp /kermit_scripts/\%r.termlog /cleoa+/kermit_scripts/\%r.files break } run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl pause 5 define \%o 1 break Well, it's a bit confusing. The RUN command looks like it should be a SWITCH clause (because of the BREAK) but it's outside the SWITCH statement. What's the BREAK for? And which IF statement are you talking about, that causes the script to crash? The only one I see is the IF FAILURE in case 1 of the SWITCH (which doesn't make much sense). Does the following make more sense? minput 10 {No files found} {Total of} if failure stop 1 MINPUT timed out. switch \v(minput) { :1, writeln TRANSACTION-LOG Files Not Found define \%o 1 break :2, cp /kermit_scripts/\%r.termlog /cleoa+/kermit_scripts/\%r.files run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl pause 5 define \%o 1 break } - Frank From shifeux@hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 14:40:36 EDT 2001 Article: 12671 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 14 Aug 2001 11:29:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 105 Message-ID: <336f652d.0108141029.39b5169f@posting.google.com> References: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> <9l909g$bse$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <336f652d.0108140545.1a1c8658@posting.google.com> <9lbdsm$35j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.145.217.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997813796 20928 127.0.0.1 (14 Aug 2001 18:29:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2001 18:29:56 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12671 I appologize for my 'jumbled' postings. I have several variations of this script and I have ended up confusing the issue. The switch code was just a different variation I tried when the IF and even XIF didn't work for me. I plugged your piece of code into the script and I am still getting the same result. The script crashes at the run command. What I am trying to do from a theory standpoint is parse a directory listing on a remote machine to get a listing of the files in a text file. This text file will be converted into a listing and sent back to the remote system after I download the files in the dir. I have a perl parse routine which does contain the #!/usr/bin/perl in the first line (as a side note, my kermit script does not contain a similar statement). The perl command will work using the shell and using kermit, but when I use the 'run' command in the script I have problems with the script itself. At the point of the run command the script halts abruptly. It does not execute the perl script at all which is indicated by no output file from the perl script. I have commented out the run command line and added an echo command and i see the echo and the script continues on as expected. But when the run command is followed by the perl script name the script ends abruptly. Am I missing something in the way kermit calls upon the shell to execute the perl script? fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9lbdsm$35j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... > In article <336f652d.0108140545.1a1c8658@posting.google.com>, > Shifeux wrote: > : I am using: C-Kermit 7.0.197, 8 Feb 2000, for Data General DG/UX > : R4.20 I am trying to call the perl script from within an IF statement > : using the "run" command (I also toyed around with "exec") The perl > : does work fine by itself. It seems like the IF construct is causing > : the Kermit script to crash at the point of the run command. When I > : comment out the IF statement the script runs fine. I have tried > : various different things but nothing will let this run command run. > : Here is a listing of the latest try at the if statement. > : > : if failure timeout > : > : minput 10 {No files found} {Total of} > : switch \v(minput) { > : :1, if failure write TRANSACTION-LOG Files Found\13\10, define > : \%o 1, br > : eak > : :2, cp /kermit_scripts/\%r.termlog > : /cleoa+/kermit_scripts/\%r.files, break > : } > : run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl, pause 5, - > : define \%o 1, break > : > : > : input 10 {choice : } > : if failure timeout > : > OK, this is all fractured and hard to read; I assume you're not trying to > run a fractured original. > > "run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl" should work if the xxxxxxx.pl file contains > a first line that looks like: > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > and it has execute permission: > > 1. Can you run it from the shell prompt by typing its name? > > 2. If so, can you run it from Kermit by typing > "run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl" at the C-Kermit> prompt? > > Assuming the answer to both is yes, let's try to reconstruct your > fractured script: > > minput 10 {No files found} {Total of} > switch \v(minput) { > :1, if failure write TRANSACTION-LOG Files Found\13\10 > define \%o 1 > break > :2, cp /kermit_scripts/\%r.termlog /cleoa+/kermit_scripts/\%r.files > break > } > run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl > pause 5 > define \%o 1 > break > > Well, it's a bit confusing. The RUN command looks like it should be > a SWITCH clause (because of the BREAK) but it's outside the SWITCH > statement. What's the BREAK for? And which IF statement are you talking > about, that causes the script to crash? The only one I see is the IF FAILURE > in case 1 of the SWITCH (which doesn't make much sense). Does the following > make more sense? > > minput 10 {No files found} {Total of} > if failure stop 1 MINPUT timed out. > > switch \v(minput) { > :1, writeln TRANSACTION-LOG Files Not Found > define \%o 1 > break > :2, cp /kermit_scripts/\%r.termlog /cleoa+/kermit_scripts/\%r.files > run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl > pause 5 > define \%o 1 > break > } > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 14 14:40:40 EDT 2001 Article: 12672 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 14 Aug 2001 18:40:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: <9lbras$cfb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> <336f652d.0108140545.1a1c8658@posting.google.com> <9lbdsm$35j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <336f652d.0108141029.39b5169f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997814428 12779 128.59.39.2 (14 Aug 2001 18:40:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2001 18:40:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12672 In article <336f652d.0108141029.39b5169f@posting.google.com>, Shifeux wrote: : I appologize for my 'jumbled' postings. I have several variations of : this script and I have ended up confusing the issue. The switch code : was just a different variation I tried when the IF and even XIF didn't : work for me. I plugged your piece of code into the script and I am : still getting the same result. The script crashes at the run command. : First of all, Kermit can run Perl or shell scripts if (a) they are executable, and (b) they begin with a line that specifies the script interpreter: sh, ksh, csh, bash, perl, kermit, or anything else. : What I am trying to do from a theory standpoint is : parse a directory listing on a remote machine to get a listing of the : files in a text file. This text file will be converted into a listing : and sent back to the remote system after I download the files in the : dir. : Of course you can do all this with Kermit just as well as with Perl. : I have a perl parse routine which does contain the : #!/usr/bin/perl in the first line : Is this the correct path for Perl? Does /usr/bin/perl exist? : (as a side note, my kermit script : does not contain a similar statement). : If it did, you could run it directly from the shell without having to start Kermit first. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html : The perl command will work : using the shell and using kermit, but when I use the 'run' command in : the script I have problems with the script itself. At the point of the : run command the script halts abruptly. It does not execute the perl : script at all which is indicated by no output file from the perl : script. I have commented out the run command line and added an echo : command and i see the echo and the script continues on as expected. : But when the run command is followed by the perl script name the : script ends abruptly. Am I missing something in the way kermit calls : upon the shell to execute the perl script? : Yes, you are missing something, but what you are missing is not obvious. The command that is not working is: run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl The obvious question is: does the file /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl exist? Perhaps the initial slash shouldn't be there. - Frank From shifeux@hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 16:51:58 EDT 2001 Article: 12673 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 14 Aug 2001 13:45:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 70 Message-ID: <336f652d.0108141245.885b7f7@posting.google.com> References: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> <336f652d.0108140545.1a1c8658@posting.google.com> <9lbdsm$35j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <336f652d.0108141029.39b5169f@posting.google.com> <9lbras$cfb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.145.217.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997821959 26297 127.0.0.1 (14 Aug 2001 20:45:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2001 20:45:59 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12673 I appreciate your help. The other scripts are all fine and each work individually. They all have execute rights and are all spelled correctly. I was able to reproduce the problem with a little test kermit script which includes an echo followed by a run followed by echos. It seems that when I include the run command it halts the script and does not execute the run command or any commands after. When I would add an echo (an echo through kermit everything was fine and the script runs completly, but when i used the run command to send the echo to the shell, again the script halted without executing the run) We compiled the kermit on a seperate linux box and the scripts worked fine. It seems the DG Unix box is the problem and possibly some library or something? We are going to recompile the script and see what happens. Again, I appreciate all your suggestions. fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9lbras$cfb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... > In article <336f652d.0108141029.39b5169f@posting.google.com>, > Shifeux wrote: > : I appologize for my 'jumbled' postings. I have several variations of > : this script and I have ended up confusing the issue. The switch code > : was just a different variation I tried when the IF and even XIF didn't > : work for me. I plugged your piece of code into the script and I am > : still getting the same result. The script crashes at the run : script> command. > : > First of all, Kermit can run Perl or shell scripts if (a) they are > executable, and (b) they begin with a line that specifies the script > interpreter: sh, ksh, csh, bash, perl, kermit, or anything else. > > : What I am trying to do from a theory standpoint is > : parse a directory listing on a remote machine to get a listing of the > : files in a text file. This text file will be converted into a listing > : and sent back to the remote system after I download the files in the > : dir. > : > Of course you can do all this with Kermit just as well as with Perl. > > : I have a perl parse routine which does contain the > : #!/usr/bin/perl in the first line > : > Is this the correct path for Perl? Does /usr/bin/perl exist? > > : (as a side note, my kermit script > : does not contain a similar statement). > : > If it did, you could run it directly from the shell without having to > start Kermit first. See: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html > > : The perl command will work > : using the shell and using kermit, but when I use the 'run' command in > : the script I have problems with the script itself. At the point of the > : run command the script halts abruptly. It does not execute the perl > : script at all which is indicated by no output file from the perl > : script. I have commented out the run command line and added an echo > : command and i see the echo and the script continues on as expected. > : But when the run command is followed by the perl script name the > : script ends abruptly. Am I missing something in the way kermit calls > : upon the shell to execute the perl script? > : > Yes, you are missing something, but what you are missing is not obvious. > > The command that is not working is: > > run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl > > The obvious question is: does the file /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl exist? > Perhaps the initial slash shouldn't be there. > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 14 16:52:01 EDT 2001 Article: 12674 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 14 Aug 2001 20:51:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9lc314$hn0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> <336f652d.0108141029.39b5169f@posting.google.com> <9lbras$cfb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <336f652d.0108141245.885b7f7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997822308 18144 128.59.39.2 (14 Aug 2001 20:51:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2001 20:51:48 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12674 In article <336f652d.0108141245.885b7f7@posting.google.com>, Shifeux wrote: : I appreciate your help. The other scripts are all fine and each work : individually. They all have execute rights and are all spelled : correctly. I was able to reproduce the problem with a little test : kermit script which includes an echo followed by a run followed by : echos. It seems that when I include the run command it halts the : script and does not execute the run command or any commands after. : Then let's take this offline. Make a file that looks like this: log debug run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl If that is not the actual RUN command you are using, of course please substitute the one you are using. Then tell Kermit to "take" this file, then send the resulting debug.log file by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Wed Aug 15 11:46:39 EDT 2001 Article: 12677 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <3B79D743.CB0BCBA1@adelaide.edu.au> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:28:27 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: aus.rail,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [WA] Signalling software References: <3b77c8d0$1_6@news.chariot.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: arthur-4100.its.adelaide.edu.au X-Trace: 15 Aug 2001 11:28:27 +0950, arthur-4100.its.adelaide.edu.au Lines: 61 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!news1.optus.net.au!optus!yorrell.saard.net!hakea.services.adelaide.edu.au!arthur-4100.its.adelaide.edu.au Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu aus.rail:119514 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12677 Kermit does have very powerful scripting and built-in functions so that it is possible to easily build a script to decode captured input. My first major Kermit script was a state machine for doing electronic tax lodgements (in 1989). It turned out to be surprisingly easy. In short, if you know the format of the data you are logging over a serial link, Kermit scripts can decode it. Regards, Arthur. woody wrote: > > thanks for the advice, but I need something more than a simple modem > program. > I think I will get back onto Harmon, but from what I was told previously, > the guy who designed the logging facility of this stuff was poached by > microsoft and the project was completed in a rush. > > Woody > > Arthur Marsh wrote in message > news:3b77c8d0$1_6@news.chariot.net.au... > > Have a look at Kermit: > > > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit > > > > There are free versions for MS-DOS and Unix, and a commercial version for > > Win9X/ME/NT/2000 and OS/2. The commercial version supports X/Y/Zmodem as > > well as Kermit file transfers. > > > > The configurability and technical support for Kermit is unmatched by any > > other communications software. > > > > "woody" wrote in message > > news:zF8c7.100699$Xr6.511516@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > > Greetings, > > > > > > I am a signalling Technician in WA and have several types of Harmon gear > > in > > > my area. > > > Electralogic, Electracode 4, 4+, soon 5 also, SCX level crossing and > > switch > > > controllers and I am looking for software to download logs from the > 216DL > > > and 316DL cards. I have some that works ok with both cards but is fairly > > > complex on the electralogic 316DL cards. > > > > > > Woody > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077 From mikef@pacifier.com Thu Aug 16 14:35:07 EDT 2001 Article: 12683 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DHCP Request Failures with Ms-Kermit Organization: Pacifier Online From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.2.117.66 Message-ID: <3b7c0e97$1_1@news.nwlink.com> Date: 16 Aug 2001 11:19:03 -0700 X-Trace: 16 Aug 2001 11:19:03 -0700, 199.2.117.66 Lines: 17 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.nwlink.com!news.nwlink.com!mikef Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12683 I'm running Ms-Kermit (MSK316.EXE) on a 486 PC with a 3COM Ethernet card using either the CRYNWR packet-driver 3C509.COM or 3COM's own version, 3C5X9PD.COM. I have my Internet parameters set to request a DHCP server. IN the past, when I connected to an Internet site using the Telnet macro (set port tcp address, pause), I was almost always able to get service on the first try. Lately, however, it has taken me 2 ... sometimes 3 tries to get a response from the DHCP server to assign me a dynamic address and connect me to the site in question. Any ideas as to why the flakiness? Is my Ethernet card going bonkers or has something on the network changed or is my PC just getting older than I know it already is? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman Amateur Radio: < K 7 U I J > .. Go M's!!!!! From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Aug 16 14:35:11 EDT 2001 Article: 12684 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 16 Aug 2001 14:30:45 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: kachifo.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 997986649 24641 128.59.59.172 (16 Aug 2001 18:30:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 2001 18:30:49 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12684 > Frank - Here is the debug.log file you requested via the newsgroup. > Thanks for the log. Unfortunately it doesn't show the cause of the problem, or for that matter even that there is a problem. It says the RUN command executed without any errors. I have limited access to a DG/UX system. I logged in to it, created a file called foo containing: echo one echo two echo $1 echo $2 Then I gave it execute permission and made sure it worked OK: ~/kermit [329] $ chmod +x foo ~/kermit [330] $ ./foo xxx yyy one two xxx yyy Then I started Kermit and told it to RUN this file: ~/kermit [331] $ ./wermit C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.02, 28 Jun 2001, for Data General DG/UX R4.11 Copyright (C) 1985, 2001, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit> show var os \v(osname) = dgux \v(osrelease) = R4.11MU05 \v(osversion) = generic C-Kermit> run foo hello goodbye one two hello goodbye C-Kermit> status SUCCESS C-Kermit> No problems whatsoever. Whatever is happening in your case has something to do with the file specification you are giving for your Perl script, or permissions, or Perl itself, or other external factors. But in any case, Kermit's RUN command works when the RUN filename is runnable (and of course it fails when the file is not runnable). Note that this trial was done with C-Kermit 8.0 but you have 7.0. It shouldn't make a difference, but if you want to try the 8.0 Beta, it's here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html - Frank From shifeux@hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 17:28:32 EDT 2001 Article: 12685 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts and Shell Scripts Date: 16 Aug 2001 14:15:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <336f652d.0108161315.292edd68@posting.google.com> References: <336f652d.0108130841.43ce0ed5@posting.google.com> <336f652d.0108141029.39b5169f@posting.google.com> <9lbras$cfb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <336f652d.0108141245.885b7f7@posting.google.com> <9lc314$hn0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.145.217.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997996503 25724 127.0.0.1 (16 Aug 2001 21:15:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 2001 21:15:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12685 Frank - You are our new hero. I think we are going to name a cubicle after you. The problem was in the environment variable $SHELL afterall. KSH is in /bin/ksh. The $SHELL variable was set to just "ksh" and kermit couldn't find the shell to run the commands. By setting $SHELL to /bin/ksh rather than just ksh (assuming that /bin was in $PATH) kermit was able to find the shell and fork properly. The shell variable was not properly defined by the admin. Everything works as it should now. Again, thank you very much for the time and effort. It is greatly appreciated. Mike fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9lc314$hn0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... > In article <336f652d.0108141245.885b7f7@posting.google.com>, > Shifeux wrote: > : I appreciate your help. The other scripts are all fine and each work > : individually. They all have execute rights and are all spelled > : correctly. I was able to reproduce the problem with a little test > : kermit script which includes an echo followed by a run followed by > : echos. It seems that when I include the run command it halts the > : script and does not execute the run command or any commands after. > : > Then let's take this offline. Make a file that looks like this: > > log debug > run /kermit_scripts/xxxxxxx.pl > > If that is not the actual RUN command you are using, of course please > substitute the one you are using. > > Then tell Kermit to "take" this file, then send the resulting debug.log > file by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. > > - Frank From jrd@cc.usu.edu Fri Aug 17 10:59:57 EDT 2001 Article: 12686 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DHCP Request Failures with Ms-Kermit Message-ID: Date: 16 Aug 01 16:06:38 MDT References: <3b7c0e97$1_1@news.nwlink.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12686 In article <3b7c0e97$1_1@news.nwlink.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > I'm running Ms-Kermit (MSK316.EXE) on a 486 PC with a 3COM Ethernet card > using either the CRYNWR packet-driver 3C509.COM or 3COM's own version, > 3C5X9PD.COM. I have my Internet parameters set to request a DHCP server. > IN the past, when I connected to an Internet site using the Telnet macro > (set port tcp address, pause), I was almost always able to get service on > the first try. Lately, however, it has taken me 2 ... sometimes 3 tries > to get a response from the DHCP server to assign me a dynamic address and > connect me to the site in question. Any ideas as to why the flakiness? > Is my Ethernet card going bonkers or has something on the network changed > or is my PC just getting older than I know it already is? --------- Mike, I am sure you realize we can't answer the explicit questions you ask about the state of your network or the board etc. We simply have no idea of what they may be. Since the network is likely out of your control too the next step is to contact the owner of it and ask about its health. Joe D. From jhill@sawmillmanager.com Fri Aug 17 14:22:01 EDT 2001 Article: 12687 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!btnet-peer1!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "John Hill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Error ttsetspeed failed:87 Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:33:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.25.180.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@maine.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 998069583 24.25.180.3 (Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:33:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:33:03 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Portland ME Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12687 I have a DOS handheld running kermit 3.15 dialing into a Windows 2000 professional host running K95 ver 1.1.20. The host waits for a call (using the answer command) and then enters server mode. The DOS unit then changes directories and sends files to the host. I am having problems with this however. When certain DOS units that call in the message "ttsetspeed failed:87" appears on the host screen. On other units I get the message "Entering server mode" but it never proceeds any further. The script running on the server is as follows (this is not exact but contains the important commands, if you need the exact script I can get that): set tapi line set modem type tapi set quiet on set file collision overwrite set file incomplete discard enable host enable delete enable bye enable finish set block-check 3 set rec pack 500 set send pack 500 set buffers 280000 set window 10 set speed 9600 set file type binary set carrier-watch off cd /husky answer server Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- John Hill Logical Systems, Inc. 258 Main Street P.O. Box 649 Yarmouth, ME 04096 Phone: (207) 846-3669 Fax: (207) 846-3804 E-Mail: jhill@sawmillmanager.com From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 17 14:23:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12688 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Error ttsetspeed failed:87 Date: 17 Aug 2001 18:15:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <9ljn0g$923$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998072144 9283 128.59.39.2 (17 Aug 2001 18:15:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 2001 18:15:44 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12688 In article , John Hill wrote: : The script running on the server is as follows (this is not exact but : contains the important commands, if you need the exact script I can get : that): : : set tapi line : set modem type tapi The previous two commands should be reversed. Although, in this case it should not make a difference. I would suggest that you try using SET TAPI MODEM-DIALING ON before the SET TAPI LINE command. That might help. : set quiet on : set file collision overwrite : set file incomplete discard : enable host : enable delete : enable bye : enable finish : set block-check 3 : set rec pack 500 : set send pack 500 : set buffers 280000 : set window 10 : set speed 9600 : set file type binary : set carrier-watch off : cd /husky : answer : server The SERVER command should read IF SUCCESS SERVER If you continue to have problems, send the output of the following commands to kermit-support@columbia.edu: SET TAPI LINE SHOW TAPI-COMM SHOW TAPI-MODEM Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 17 14:23:38 EDT 2001 Article: 12689 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Error ttsetspeed failed:87 Date: 17 Aug 2001 18:22:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: <9ljnc9$9at$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998072521 9565 128.59.39.2 (17 Aug 2001 18:22:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 2001 18:22:01 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12689 In article , John Hill wrote: : I have a DOS handheld running kermit 3.15 dialing into a Windows 2000 : professional host running K95 ver 1.1.20. The host waits for a call (using : the answer command) and then enters server mode. The DOS unit then changes : directories and sends files to the host. : : I am having problems with this however. When certain DOS units that call in : the message "ttsetspeed failed:87" appears on the host screen. On other : units I get the message "Entering server mode" but it never proceeds any : further. : If you can catch it in the act with a debug log, please send the log to kermit-support@columbia.edu. : The script running on the server is as follows (this is not exact but : contains the important commands, if you need the exact script I can get : that): : : set tapi line : set modem type tapi : set quiet on : set file collision overwrite : set file incomplete discard : enable host : enable delete : enable bye : enable finish : set block-check 3 : set rec pack 500 : set send pack 500 : set buffers 280000 : This command has no effect in Kermit 95 (but it does no harm either). : set window 10 : set speed 9600 : Any special reason for such a low speed? If all the modems involved are relatively modern error-correcting, data-compressing models, then you should be able use speeds of 57600bps or higher with RTS/CTS (hardware) flow control. : set file type binary : set carrier-watch off : This is probably a mistake. You want Kermit to monitor the carrier signal. Otherwise if a call disconnects, Kermit won't know it, and then the next caller will get the previous caller's session. Note that the ANSWER command knows that there is no carrier while it is waiting for a phone call, so you don't have to "set carrier-watch off" just because you are using the ANSWER command. : cd /husky : answer : server : : Any help would be greatly appreciated. : What kind of modem is it? If it's a modern modem, then presumably it is configured to keep its interface speed constant. But if it didn't, that could explain the problems you are seeing. - Frank From dold@email.rahul.net Fri Aug 17 17:40:51 EDT 2001 Article: 12690 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!peerfeed.news.psi.net!unlisys!news.snafu.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!lax2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@30.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Error ttsetspeed failed:87 Date: 17 Aug 2001 20:20:21 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9ljua5$2go$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9ljnc9$9at$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@email.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12690 : John Hill wrote: : : the message "ttsetspeed failed:87" appears on the host screen. On other Frank da Cruz wrote: : What kind of modem is it? If it's a modern modem, then presumably it : is configured to keep its interface speed constant. But if it didn't, : that could explain the problems you are seeing. That'd be my first guess. The modem is "adjusting" its speed to match the incoming call, which I have never had work well ;-) In the .ini file on the server set MODEM SPEED-MATCHING OFF coupled with the appropriate command to the modem. The down side to this, and perhaps supported by the low modem speed being used here, is that it requires proper modem protocol on both ends, which he might not have. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From Frederick.e.vorwerk@boeing.com Mon Aug 20 17:38:51 EDT 2001 Article: 12695 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Frederick E. Vorwerk" Subject: Setting speed X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pls025326.mw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B817A33.DE4EC53D@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:59:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Lines: 2 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12695 I have some developers using kermit to communicate with some rs-232 and rs-422 devices. Can you set speed to any multiple of 1200? From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 20 17:41:14 EDT 2001 Article: 12698 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting speed Date: 20 Aug 2001 21:41:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9ls05p$ner$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B817A33.DE4EC53D@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998343673 24027 128.59.39.2 (20 Aug 2001 21:41:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 2001 21:41:13 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12698 In article <3B817A33.DE4EC53D@boeing.com>, Frederick E. Vorwerk wrote: : I have some developers using kermit to communicate with some rs-232 and : rs-422 devices. Can you set speed to any multiple of 1200? : That depends on which Kermit program you are using, on what kind of computer, running what operating system, with what kind of serial ports, and so on. Most Kermit programs are able to choose any speed that is supported by the underlying OS and hardware. Try typing: set speed ? at the Kermit program prompt. It should show you a list of supported speeds. - Frank From see.signature Tue Aug 21 08:41:56 EDT 2001 Article: 12699 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: anyone@No-Such-Domain.anywhere (see.signature) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: rsync and kermit Reply-To: see.signature Message-ID: X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) NNTP-Posting-Host: flex111.dnwl.wau.nl Date: 21 Aug 2001 09:17:54 +0100 X-Trace: 21 Aug 2001 09:17:54 +0100, flex111.dnwl.wau.nl Lines: 26 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!surfnet.nl!news.wau.nl!anyone Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12699 Hi, my questions are related to rsync and a possible replacement of it with kermit. Is it possible to use kermit "inside" rsync for the data transport? I have seen that in the kermit script library a script called synchronize exists. This script transmitts whole files and not just the differences between them as rsync does. Is such a difference only transmit possible with kermit? thanks, Marc -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ email: marc dot hoffmann at users dot whh dot wau dot nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 21 08:41:59 EDT 2001 Article: 12700 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: rsync and kermit Date: 21 Aug 2001 12:42:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9ltkut$rlp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998397725 28345 128.59.39.2 (21 Aug 2001 12:42:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2001 12:42:05 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12700 In article , see.signature wrote: : ... : I have seen that in the kermit script library a script called : synchronize exists. This script transmitts whole files and not just : the differences between them as rsync does. Is such a difference only : transmit possible with kermit? : Not with built-in commands, but a sript could be written that determines which files need updating, runs diff on each one, and sends and applies the differences, at least when the two computers have compatible diff programs. However, I don't see what the advantage over rsync would be, unless you are looking at computers or connection types where it is not available. - Frank From nospam@newsranger.com Wed Aug 22 16:00:23 EDT 2001 Article: 12703 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Rob B. Subject: FTP idle time-out? Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8PTg7.10973$2u.79082@www.newsranger.com> X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:34:28 EDT Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:34:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12703 I am writing a script to automate an ftp process using Ckermit 8.0 beta. I need to be able to set a time-out so if the server is not responding the process will terminate with an error message, I believe that the default timeout must be set to infinite. Is this even possible? I need some help Thanks, -Rob From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 22 16:00:27 EDT 2001 Article: 12704 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP idle time-out? Date: 22 Aug 2001 20:00:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9m130g$3kr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <8PTg7.10973$2u.79082@www.newsranger.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998510416 3739 128.59.39.2 (22 Aug 2001 20:00:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Aug 2001 20:00:16 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12704 In article <8PTg7.10973$2u.79082@www.newsranger.com>, Rob B. wrote: : I am writing a script to automate an ftp process using Ckermit 8.0 : beta. I need to be able to set a time-out so if the server is not : responding the process will terminate with an error message, I believe : that the default timeout must be set to infinite. Is this even possible? : No, sorry. Unlike Kermit protocol, FTP doesn't time out. Instead it relies on the underlying TCP/IP protocols to take care of such things. If the connection dies, the FTP operation will fail. However, TCP/IP does not interpret idleness or nonresponsiveness as a lost connection, at least not until TCP Keepalives kick in several hours later. I can see how a timeout feature might be useful for FTP and will look into adding one before the final 8.0 release. - Frank From nospam@newsranger.com Wed Aug 22 18:04:05 EDT 2001 Article: 12705 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!feed.textport.net!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Rob References: <8PTg7.10973$2u.79082@www.newsranger.com> <9m130g$3kr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: FTP idle time-out? Lines: 29 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:55:01 EDT Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:55:01 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12705 Would you have any other advice as to how I could achieve this functionality using ftp? If not do I need ckermit on both the sending and receiving end to use the kermit transfer protocol? Any advice would be greatly appreciated since this is a somewhat time critical problem. Thanks, -Rob In article <9m130g$3kr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz says... > >In article <8PTg7.10973$2u.79082@www.newsranger.com>, >Rob B. wrote: >: I am writing a script to automate an ftp process using Ckermit 8.0 >: beta. I need to be able to set a time-out so if the server is not >: responding the process will terminate with an error message, I believe >: that the default timeout must be set to infinite. Is this even possible? >: >No, sorry. Unlike Kermit protocol, FTP doesn't time out. Instead it >relies on the underlying TCP/IP protocols to take care of such things. If >the connection dies, the FTP operation will fail. However, TCP/IP does not >interpret idleness or nonresponsiveness as a lost connection, at least not >until TCP Keepalives kick in several hours later. > >I can see how a timeout feature might be useful for FTP and will look into >adding one before the final 8.0 release. > >- Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 22 18:04:08 EDT 2001 Article: 12706 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP idle time-out? Date: 22 Aug 2001 22:04:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9m1a8j$8lo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <8PTg7.10973$2u.79082@www.newsranger.com> <9m130g$3kr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998517843 8888 128.59.39.2 (22 Aug 2001 22:04:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Aug 2001 22:04:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12706 In article , Rob wrote: : Would you have any other advice as to how I could achieve this functionality : using ftp? If not do I need ckermit on both the sending and receiving end to : use the kermit transfer protocol? Any advice would be greatly appreciated : since this is a somewhat time critical problem. : If you have login access to the remote computer, you can put C-Kermit on it and use Kermit protocol rather than FTP. Surprisingly, perhaps, Kermit protocol is way more powerful, configurable, and customizable than FTP, and naturally you can set timeout and retry limits for protocol actions, and hundreds of other parameters besides. You can conduct Kermit protocol sessions over serial connections, Telnet connections, Rlogin connections, or with an Internet Kermit Service Daemon on the remote end: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html The connection can either be in the clear or secure and encrypted. - Frank From shifeux@hotmail.com Fri Aug 24 17:22:38 EDT 2001 Article: 12711 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Secondary Lock Files ???? Date: 24 Aug 2001 14:15:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <336f652d.0108241315.2ac37dda@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.145.217.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 998687738 8988 127.0.0.1 (24 Aug 2001 21:15:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2001 21:15:38 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12711 Has anyone any experience with this type of error? thanks STLLAB logged out at 24-AUG-2001 16:12:22.46 NO CARRIER (Back at nmscloverleaf) ---------------------------------------------------- (/hci/root3.5.2P/neontest/to.neon/) C-Kermit>exit Closing /dev/tty01.../dev/tty01: No such file or directory Warning - Can't remove secondary lockfile: /var/spool/locks//root3.5.2P/formats/X From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 24 17:22:40 EDT 2001 Article: 12712 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Secondary Lock Files ???? Date: 24 Aug 2001 21:22:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9m6gip$jk6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <336f652d.0108241315.2ac37dda@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998688153 20102 128.59.39.2 (24 Aug 2001 21:22:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2001 21:22:33 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12712 In article <336f652d.0108241315.2ac37dda@posting.google.com>, Shifeux wrote: : Has anyone any experience with this type of error? : : STLLAB logged out at 24-AUG-2001 16:12:22.46 : NO CARRIER : : (Back at nmscloverleaf) : ---------------------------------------------------- : (/hci/root3.5.2P/neontest/to.neon/) C-Kermit>exit : Closing /dev/tty01.../dev/tty01: No such file or directory : Warning - Can't remove secondary lockfile: : Can you please list the other relevant information: . C-Kermit version . Operating system and version If you are not using the C-Kermit 8.0 Beta: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html can you please try it to see if the problem persists? - Frank From grinder@no.spam.maam.com Sun Aug 26 13:03:22 EDT 2001 Article: 12713 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Grinder" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Newbie (as evidenced by use of HyperTerminal) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:00:20 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9ma49s02bfv@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-166-242-124.grics.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12713 I hopes this is group is somewhat adjacent to my question. I'm try to connect to a file server/mailbox with Hyperterminal. The instructions cite the Kermit protocol for file transfers, and C-Kermit finish command to initiate the next phase of exchange. My problem seems to come in that I can't get a kermit prompt to issue the finish command at the appropriate time. I've looked on the web, and have found various key combinations (including Ctrl+] and Ctrl-\) but have not had success. Hyperterminal is passing my ctrl keys through (according to Portmon,) but it does not appear that a $1C$44 will give me a C-Kermit prompt. I realize that's you've likely marked me as not knowing what I'm doing on this point. That would be right, but I don't have much more to do--I hope you can nudge me in the right direction. Thanks for your time already rendered... From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 26 13:03:33 EDT 2001 Article: 12715 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie (as evidenced by use of HyperTerminal) Date: 26 Aug 2001 14:30:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <9mb158$jtm$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9ma49s02bfv@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998836200 20406 128.59.39.2 (26 Aug 2001 14:30:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2001 14:30:00 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12715 The Kermit FINISH command is sent by a client to the Kermit SERVER to instruct the SERVER to end its operation. If C-Kermit is being used as a SERVER and Hyperterminal is being used as the client, you have a problem because Hyperterminal does not support the FINISH command. The you can try for is to send three ^C characters to try to kill the SERVER. The recommended software for performing terminal emulation from Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP with a complete set of Kermit protocol commands is Kermit 95 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html In article <9ma49s02bfv@enews2.newsguy.com>, Grinder wrote: : I hopes this is group is somewhat adjacent to my question. : : I'm try to connect to a file server/mailbox with Hyperterminal. : The instructions cite the Kermit protocol for file transfers, : and C-Kermit finish command to initiate the next phase of : exchange. : : My problem seems to come in that I can't get a kermit prompt to : issue the finish command at the appropriate time. I've looked : on the web, and have found various key combinations (including : Ctrl+] and Ctrl-\) but have not had success. : : Hyperterminal is passing my ctrl keys through (according to : Portmon,) but it does not appear that a $1C$44 will give me a : C-Kermit prompt. : : I realize that's you've likely marked me as not knowing what I'm : doing on this point. That would be right, but I don't have much : more to do--I hope you can nudge me in the right direction. : : Thanks for your time already rendered... Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From grinder@no.spam.maam.com Mon Aug 27 10:33:46 EDT 2001 Article: 12716 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Grinder" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie (as evidenced by use of HyperTerminal) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:49:45 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 72 Message-ID: <9mc24g01lb6@enews2.newsguy.com> References: <9ma49s02bfv@enews2.newsguy.com> <9mb158$jtm$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-166-242-124.grics.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12716 Thanks for your response. Your information has been of benefit--thank you for that as well. From mdulisse@intin.it Mon Aug 27 10:33:59 EDT 2001 Article: 12717 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.voicenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.nettuno.it!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news-out.tin.it!news-in.tin.it!news2.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B89FECC.4B399D2E@intin.it> From: Massimo D'Ulisse Organization: VirgilioTin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 8.0b02 and Solaris 2.6 problems Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E62F32CAFD754DD727A89B79" Lines: 54 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:08:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.243.154.250 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tin.it X-Trace: news2.tin.it 998903291 194.243.154.250 (Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:08:11 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:08:11 MET DST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12717 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E62F32CAFD754DD727A89B79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. I successfully downloaded and compiled C-Kermit 8.0 beta 02 sources on a Sun Sparc with Solaris 2.6. I'm going to use it to automate FTP operations between two systems. For what I'm using it, wermit works fine, except for a couple of things: * I get a segmentation fault when using the show variables at the \v(setlinemsg) line (wermit prints \v(setlinemsg) = Segmentation fault (core dumped). Anyway, It is a minor problem. * during downloads, wermit tries to create temporary files in the /var directory, resulting in 'Permission denied' errors. I used a quick and dirty workaroung, modifying /var permissions, but I cannot use this trick in my production environment. I tried to use both TMP and TEMP env vars, but with no results. So I'd like to fix the problem by modifying the source code and making wermit use /tmp instead of /var. Can I modify the source files, and where should I look into? TIA Massimo D'Ulisse From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 27 10:38:15 EDT 2001 Article: 12719 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0b02 and Solaris 2.6 problems Date: 27 Aug 2001 14:17:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9mdkq2$426$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B89FECC.4B399D2E@intin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998921858 4166 128.59.39.2 (27 Aug 2001 14:17:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2001 14:17:38 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12719 In article <3B89FECC.4B399D2E@intin.it>, Massimo D'Ulisse wrote: : For what I'm using it, wermit works fine, except for a couple of things: : : * I get a segmentation fault when using the show variables at the : \v(setlinemsg) line (wermit prints \v(setlinemsg) = Segmentation : fault (core dumped). Anyway, It is a minor problem. this implies that the memory pointed to by the variable 'slmsg' is unallocated. We will look into this. : * during downloads, wermit tries to create temporary files in the : /var directory, resulting in 'Permission denied' errors. I used a : quick and dirty workaroung, modifying /var permissions, but I : cannot use this trick in my production environment. I tried to use : both TMP and TEMP env vars, but with no results. So I'd like to fix : the problem by modifying the source code and making wermit use /tmp : instead of /var. Can I modify the source files, and where should I : look into? You can use the command SET TEMP-DIRECTORY to specify where temp files should be created. Or the following environment variables will be used in order: CK_TMP TMPDIR TEMP TMP if no environment variable is found the value "/tmp/" is used. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 27 10:38:21 EDT 2001 Article: 12720 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0b02 and Solaris 2.6 problems Date: 27 Aug 2001 14:38:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9mdm0g$59d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B89FECC.4B399D2E@intin.it> <9mdkq2$426$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998923088 5421 128.59.39.2 (27 Aug 2001 14:38:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2001 14:38:08 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12720 In article <9mdkq2$426$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <3B89FECC.4B399D2E@intin.it>, : Massimo D'Ulisse wrote: : : For what I'm using it, wermit works fine, except for a couple of things: : : ... : : * during downloads, wermit tries to create temporary files in the : : /var directory... : As Jeff said, in the absence of any definition for TMP, TEMP, CK_TEMP, or SET TEMP-DIRECTORY, C-Kermit uses /tmp. There is no reference to "/var" anywhere in the source code. So either TMP, TEMP, or CK-TEMP is defined to be "/var", or your /tmp directory is symlinked to /var. - Frank From dold@email.rahul.net Mon Aug 27 15:45:00 EDT 2001 Article: 12721 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!news.nask.pl!news.ipartners.pl!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news-xfer.siscom.net!easynews!feedwest.news.agis.net!us.telia.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@08.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0b02 and Solaris 2.6 problems Date: 27 Aug 2001 19:32:00 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9me77g$bcm$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <3B89FECC.4B399D2E@intin.it> Reply-To: dold@email.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12721 Massimo D'Ulisse wrote: : * during downloads, wermit tries to create temporary files in the : /var directory, resulting in 'Permission denied' errors. I used a This is a little odd. What makes you think they are temp files? What is the current directory when you start the kermit session? I would look at two things, from a kermit prompt: show file look for the "File download-directory: (none)" text. Perhaps the download directory is being set, or it is going to your /var directory directly, or some pathname is not correct during a transfer. show variables Look for the lines that reference any directory. Note where \v(tmpdir) = /tmp/ is pointing. Perhaps it has been set to null, thus pointing to the current working directory. And perhaps you should "log transactions" which gives file transfer information. I don't know if that has enough detail to show what's happening in /var. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 27 15:45:04 EDT 2001 Article: 12722 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0b02 and Solaris 2.6 problems Date: 27 Aug 2001 19:45:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9me7vt$hlt$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B89FECC.4B399D2E@intin.it> <9me77g$bcm$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998941501 18109 128.59.39.2 (27 Aug 2001 19:45:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2001 19:45:01 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12722 In article <9me77g$bcm$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Massimo D'Ulisse wrote: : : * during downloads, wermit tries to create temporary files in the : : /var directory, resulting in 'Permission denied' errors. I used a : : This is a little odd. What makes you think they are temp files? : When Kermit is an FTP client and it does an MGET, the server sends back a list of filenames, which can be arbitrarily long. Kermit has to put them somewhere so, like other Unix FTP clients, it puts the list in a temporary file. - Frank From woodyt@nowhere.com Tue Aug 28 10:00:35 EDT 2001 Article: 12723 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.stealth.net!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!news.hongkong1.level3.net!news.hongkong1.level3.net!news.ilink.net!not-for-mail From: "Thomas Woody" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 8 Beta - FTP using SSL Setup Issue Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:42:07 -0500 Organization: iLink.net Lines: 60 Message-ID: <9mesjh$vog$1@news.ilink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.149.33.151 X-Trace: news.ilink.net 998962610 32528 63.149.33.151 (28 Aug 2001 01:36:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.ilink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:36:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12723 Hello! I'm fairly new to the Unix world and have been tasked with setting up an automatic secure FTP update process to a remote "secure" FTP server. I found C-Kermit and have now been trying to get it installed on Solaris 7 with the Open SSL options but I have encountered difficulties. Hoping someone can help me out. Already I downloaded the OpenSSL 0.9.6b and installed it after discovering C-Kermit could not make an SSL FTP connection. Now I'm stuck trying to edit my makefile Solaris7 section with the proper SSL configuration and gettting the following error: ---------------------------------- # make solaris7g make "MAKE=make" solaris2xg KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris7g} \ "KFLAGS=-DSOLARIS7 " make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/install/c-kermit' Making C-Kermit "8.0.200" for Solaris 2.x with GNU cc... Please read the comments that accompany the solaris2xg target. make xermit KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris2xg} CC=gcc CC2=gcc \ "CFLAGS = -g -O -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX -DSELECT -DFNFLOAT \ -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DDIRENT -DHDBUUCP -DTCPSOCKET -DSOLARIS7 " \ "LIBS= -ltermlib -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv" make[2]: Entering directory `/opt/install/c-kermit' gcc -o wermit \ ckcmai.o ckclib.o ckutio.o ckufio.o \ ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o ckuxla.o \ ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o ckuus3.o \ ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o ckuus7.o \ ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o ckucns.o \ ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o ckusig.o \ ckctel.o ckcuni.o ckupty.o ckcftp.o \ -ltermlib -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/install/c-kermit' make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/install/c-kermit' DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL \ -DBIGBUFOK -I/usr/local/ssl/include \ make: DCK_AUTHENTICATION: Command not found make: [solaris7g] Error 127 (ignored) "LIBS= -L/usr/local/ssl/lib \ -lssl -lcrypto" /bin/sh: LIBS= -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -lssl -lcrypto: not found make: *** [solaris7g] Error 1 --------------------------------------------------------- My Solaris7 makefile entry looks like this: #Solaris 7 with gcc (32-bit) solaris7g: $(MAKE) "MAKE=$(MAKE)" solaris2xg KTARGET=$${KTARGET:-$(@)} \ "KFLAGS=-DSOLARIS7 $(KFLAGS)" -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL \ -DBIGBUFOK -I/usr/local/ssl/include \ "LIBS= -L/usr/local/ssl/lib \ -lssl -lcrypto" Thanks, Thomas From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 28 10:00:39 EDT 2001 Article: 12724 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8 Beta - FTP using SSL Setup Issue Date: 28 Aug 2001 04:20:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9mf66k$82l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9mesjh$vog$1@news.ilink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 998972436 8277 128.59.39.2 (28 Aug 2001 04:20:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2001 04:20:36 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12724 In article <9mesjh$vog$1@news.ilink.net>, Thomas Woody wrote: : Hello! : I'm fairly new to the Unix world and have been tasked with setting up an : automatic secure FTP update process to a remote "secure" FTP server. I found : C-Kermit and have now been trying to get it installed on Solaris 7 with the : Open SSL options but I have encountered difficulties. Hoping someone can : help me out. Already I downloaded the OpenSSL 0.9.6b and installed it after : discovering C-Kermit could not make an SSL FTP connection. Now I'm stuck : trying to edit my makefile Solaris7 section with the proper SSL : configuration and gettting the following error: The process for building C-Kermit with support for OpenSSL is documented in http://www.kermit-project.org/security80.html#x3.2.3 although the makefile already includes a solaris entry for openssl. so the Solaris7 entry would become: #Solaris 7 with gcc + OpenSSL (32-bit) solaris7g+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow: $(MAKE) "MAKE=$(MAKE)" solaris2xg+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow \ KTARGET=$${KTARGET:-$(@)} "KFLAGS=-DSOLARIS7 $(KFLAGS)" Next you will need to read http://www.kermit-project.org/security80.html#x15 to learn about certificates, determine if you want to be your own certificate authority, and install the certificates on your system. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 29 11:45:39 EDT 2001 Article: 12728 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0b02 and Solaris 2.6 problems Date: 29 Aug 2001 15:45:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9mj2n1$mh6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B89FECC.4B399D2E@intin.it> <9mdkq2$426$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9mdm0g$59d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3B8C4F76.3010507@intin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999099937 23078 128.59.39.2 (29 Aug 2001 15:45:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2001 15:45:37 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12728 In article <3B8C4F76.3010507@intin.it>, Massimo D'Ulisse wrote: : ... : I think there is a small bug, as if TMPDIR is like '/a-dir/a-subdir', : wermit tries to put the temp files in /a-dir. Setting TMPDIR to : /a-dir/a-subdir/, everything is fine. : I can't reproduce this. It works fine for me if the TMPDIR path has a single segment or multiple segments, and it works no matter whether the final segment ends with "/". : Here is an excerpt: : Perhaps you could send a copy of your "get-sitin-file.kermit" file to kermit-support@columbia.edu? - Frank From swqi@strongholdtech.com Thu Aug 30 17:07:07 EDT 2001 Article: 12730 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: "Shangwu Qi" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I directly output userid to telnet within a kermit script? Date: 30 Aug 2001 17:41:45 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9mltsp$rf9@dispatch.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.106.140.162 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12730 Hi Guys, When I created my kermit script to connect to HP-UX with telnet, I was not able to output the userid by script. The remote server always shows a login prompt and waits for interactively typing an userid, although I tried all telopt settings. It seems the remote server does not support new-environment variables. Your response is appreciated. Shangwu From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 30 17:07:10 EDT 2001 Article: 12731 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I directly output userid to telnet within a kermit script? Date: 30 Aug 2001 21:07:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9mm9tt$496$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9mltsp$rf9@dispatch.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999205629 4390 128.59.39.2 (30 Aug 2001 21:07:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2001 21:07:09 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12731 In article <9mltsp$rf9@dispatch.concentric.net>, Shangwu Qi wrote: : When I created my kermit script to connect to HP-UX with telnet, I was not : able to output the userid by script. The remote server always shows a login : prompt and waits for interactively typing an userid, although I tried all : telopt settings. It seems the remote server does not support new-environment : variables. : This frequently asked question is answered in the C-Kermit script tutorial: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#tut Short answer: in a script, don't say "telnet", say "set host". - Frank From Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] Fri Aug 31 10:46:57 EDT 2001 Article: 12732 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!f.de.uu.net!news.nikoma.de!tiscalinetde!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: 31 Aug 2001 07:21:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20010831142139.14789.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 31 Aug 2001 14:21:39 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Author-Address: leganii surfree com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Kermit presentation / So. CA X-Sent-From: leganii@surfree.com Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 77 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12732 To: UUASC-announce@UUASC.org Subject: UUASC OC Meeting Announcement Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:49:27 -0700 Reply-To: UUASC@UUASC.org UUASC OC Unix Users Association of Southern California Orange County Chapter September Meeting ----------------------------------------------- ... Kermit ... ----------------------------------------------- Monday, September 10, 7-9 pm Printronix 14600 Myford Road, Irvine At the September UUASC OC meeting, member Dallas Legan will present a talk on Kermit, the data communication program from Columbia University. He plans to cover the Kermit file transfer protocol and the C-Kermit (and derivatives) scripting language. Dallas said, "You might summarize C-Kermit as a general 'telecommunications shell'. It is comparable to SQL or EMACS as a powerful, special purpose tool." This is the first in a series of talks Mr. Legan is preparing to do (next month may be a continuation of this talk). The UUASC OC Chapter has a new president, Ron Petty. Speaking of this meeting, Ron said, "This is also a watershed in the UUASC OC chapter, as this is my first meeting under my tenure. I have procurred restrooms, water and vending machines from Printronix (thank you Scott of Printronix for the room). I may bring donuts and coffee in spite of the LA chapter flaming the validity of donuts at a gathering of geeks. :) "I welcome one and all in hopes of turning the OC chapter into the 600-lb gorilla of Southern California Unix Groups." The UUASC is for all persons using Unix either personally or professionally, or interested in learning more about Unix. We recognize all varieties of Unix, including (without prejudice) SCO, Linux, SVr4, Solaris, AIX, and BSD. 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Larumbe" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to capture only text data with Kermit Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:38:34 -0300 Organization: Abrinco S.A. Message-ID: <3B8FE7BA.9967C8DB@abrinco.com.ar> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12733 I am user of Kermit 7.0.196 for Linux and I need to capture text data without any escape sequences. I would much appreciate if somebody could tell me how to do it. Thanks, Marcelo From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 31 15:46:43 EDT 2001 Article: 12734 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to capture only text data with Kermit Date: 31 Aug 2001 19:46:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9mopiv$gih$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B8FE7BA.9967C8DB@abrinco.com.ar> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999287199 16977 128.59.39.2 (31 Aug 2001 19:46:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2001 19:46:39 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12734 In article <3B8FE7BA.9967C8DB@abrinco.com.ar>, Marcelo P. Larumbe wrote: : I am user of Kermit 7.0.196 for Linux and I need to capture text data : without any escape sequences. I would much appreciate if somebody could : tell me how to do it. : There is no way built in to C-Kermit to do this. Although it does have "set session-log text", this mainly just strips out carriage returns and NULs, not escape sequences. If they are standard ANSI-format escape sequences, it would not be hard to write a postprocessor to strip them out of the session log based on the finite state machine in ckucns.c (look at routine chkaes()). This would be a nice little project for a bored C programmer :-) - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 31 18:20:43 EDT 2001 Article: 12735 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to capture only text data with Kermit Date: 31 Aug 2001 22:20:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9mp2jk$mgc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B8FE7BA.9967C8DB@abrinco.com.ar> <9mopiv$gih$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999296436 23052 128.59.39.2 (31 Aug 2001 22:20:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2001 22:20:36 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12735 In article <9mopiv$gih$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <3B8FE7BA.9967C8DB@abrinco.com.ar>, : Marcelo P. Larumbe wrote: : : I am user of Kermit 7.0.196 for Linux and I need to capture text data : : without any escape sequences. I would much appreciate if somebody could : : tell me how to do it. : : : There is no way built in to C-Kermit to do this. Although it does have : "set session-log text", this mainly just strips out carriage returns and : NULs, not escape sequences. : : If they are standard ANSI-format escape sequences, it would not be hard : to write a postprocessor to strip them out of the session log based on the : finite state machine in ckucns.c (look at routine chkaes()). This would : be a nice little project for a bored C programmer :-) : It turns out Jeff Altman had already done this and had it squirreled away, so I added to the Web/FTP site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utils.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/utils/rmescseq.c - Frank From grinder@no.spam.maam.com Sat Sep 1 12:48:12 EDT 2001 Article: 12736 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Grinder" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: if exist Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:48:31 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-166-242-124.grics.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12736 I'm re-writing an mskermit script for use with kermit-95. It's gone very smoothly, with the exception of one command. Here's the relevant portion of the script: _____________ :CHECKCLAIM pause 1 if exist c:\projects\rlisys\rlinsf31\cache\queue\*.zip goto SENDCLAIM goto SENDZERO :SENDCLAIM send queue\*.zip if success goto SENDSUCCEED echo \13\10<< Errors occurred while sending claims >>\13\10 goto SENDDONE :SENDSUCCEED move queue\*.zip sent echo \13\10<< Claims have been sent >>\13\10 goto SENDDONE :SENDZERO echo \13\10<< No claims to send >>\13\10 :SENDDONE pause 1 finish output \13 _____________ The "if exist" command will always fail. It's my understanding that the expression will return a file count, that functions as a boolean (non-zero is true,) but can't see what I'm doing wrong. If I remove the check and just attempt to send the claims, it works well, but I would rather have the explicit "no claims to send" message given to the user. I've tried using different path delimiters, using an absolute path, and various other tweaks of the path, but for naught. Can anyone see what I'm missing? Thanks. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 1 12:48:16 EDT 2001 Article: 12737 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: 1 Sep 2001 02:38:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999311925 2679 128.59.39.2 (1 Sep 2001 02:38:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2001 02:38:45 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12737 In article <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com>, Grinder wrote: : I'm re-writing an mskermit script for use with kermit-95. It's : gone very smoothly, with the exception of one command. Here's : the relevant portion of the script: : _____________ : : :CHECKCLAIM : pause 1 : if exist c:\projects\rlisys\rlinsf31\cache\queue\*.zip goto : SENDCLAIM : goto SENDZERO IF EXIST does not work with wildcards. Instead use IF \Ffiles(*.zip) GOTO SENDCLAIM \Ffiles() returns a numeric value. 0 is treated as FALSE, any other value is TRUE. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 1 12:48:19 EDT 2001 Article: 12738 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: 1 Sep 2001 16:48:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <9mr3g9$43f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999362889 4207 128.59.39.2 (1 Sep 2001 16:48:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2001 16:48:09 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12738 In article <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com>, : Grinder wrote: : : I'm re-writing an mskermit script for use with kermit-95. It's : : gone very smoothly, with the exception of one command. Here's : : the relevant portion of the script: : : _____________ : : : : :CHECKCLAIM : : pause 1 : : if exist c:\projects\rlisys\rlinsf31\cache\queue\*.zip goto : : SENDCLAIM : : goto SENDZERO : : IF EXIST does not work with wildcards. Instead use : : IF \Ffiles(*.zip) GOTO SENDCLAIM : : \Ffiles() returns a numeric value. 0 is treated as FALSE, : any other value is TRUE. : Since this question keeps coming up, a new section on the IF command has been added to the Kermit Script Portability Reference: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptref.html - Frank From grinder@no.spam.maam.com Tue Sep 4 11:15:13 EDT 2001 Article: 12739 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Grinder" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Thank you Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:16:12 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9mum5702t6d@enews4.newsguy.com> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9mr3g9$43f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-166-242-129.grics.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12739 Jeff + Frank--Thanks. From grinder@no.spam.maam.com Tue Sep 4 11:15:15 EDT 2001 Article: 12740 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Grinder" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 22:42:31 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9muuba04gd@enews4.newsguy.com> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-166-242-129.grics.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12740 Sorry, me again--with the same problem. I modified my script a bit to simply some goto statements, but diagnostices yield the same thing: if < \Ffiles(queue\*.zip) 1 goto SENDZERO \Ffiles(queue\*.zip) is 0 even if files are present. Perhaps it's a bad assumption, but: send queue\*.zip works well enough. The files function takes a local path as an argument? I'm sure I must be doing something wrong, but I'm very close to having this complete and can't seem to resolve this single point. Thanks for past assistance rendered... From msapiro@veenet.value.net Tue Sep 4 11:15:17 EDT 2001 Article: 12742 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news1.best.com!vnetnews.value.net!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: 3 Sep 2001 15:17:22 GMT Organization: Not Very Much Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9n06u2$n3v$1@news.value.net> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9muuba04gd@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: value.net X-Trace: news.value.net 999530242 23679 209.182.128.4 (3 Sep 2001 15:17:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@value.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2001 15:17:22 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990927 ("Nine While Nine") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.2-RELEASE (i386)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12742 Grinder wrote: : \Ffiles(queue\*.zip) is 0 even if files are present. Have you tried either \ffiles(queue/*.zip) or \ffiles(queue\\*.zip) ? Either of those forms should work. \ffiles(queue\*.zip) will not work because of the use of "\" as a Kermit escape character. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html#x1.11 for more detail. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From grinder@no.spam.maam.com Tue Sep 4 11:15:20 EDT 2001 Article: 12746 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Grinder" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:05:33 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9n1anr02b6j@enews2.newsguy.com> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9muuba04gd@enews4.newsguy.com> <9n06u2$n3v$1@news.value.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-166-242-129.grics.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12746 > Have you tried either \ffiles(queue/*.zip) or \ffiles(queue\\*.zip) ? > Either of those forms should work. \ffiles(queue\*.zip) will not > work because of the use of "\" as a Kermit escape character. Ah--thanks. I'll file this for future reference. I re-worked some other aspects of my application such that I don't need to use wildcards, nor a relative path. The simplification resolved my issue. Thanks for your consideration. From dold@email.rahul.net Tue Sep 4 11:15:22 EDT 2001 Article: 12747 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mars.njcc.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.dra.com!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@72.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: 4 Sep 2001 03:37:22 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9n1i9i$998$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9muuba04gd@enews4.newsguy.com> Reply-To: dold@email.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12747 Grinder wrote: : Sorry, me again--with the same problem. I modified my script a : bit to simply some goto statements, but diagnostices yield the : same thing: : if < \Ffiles(queue\*.zip) 1 goto SENDZERO If this is a cut and paste, and not just a typo here, isn't the expression wrong? I would expect the < to be in a different place on the line. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 4 11:21:04 EDT 2001 Article: 12748 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: 4 Sep 2001 12:19:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9n2gsr$pj9$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9muuba04gd@enews4.newsguy.com> <9n1i9i$998$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999605979 26217 128.59.39.2 (4 Sep 2001 12:19:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 2001 12:19:39 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12748 In article <9n1i9i$998$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Grinder wrote: : : Sorry, me again--with the same problem. I modified my script a : : bit to simply some goto statements, but diagnostices yield the : : same thing: : : : if < \Ffiles(queue\*.zip) 1 goto SENDZERO : : If this is a cut and paste, and not just a typo here, isn't the expression : wrong? I would expect the < to be in a different place on the line. The notation is correct. Placing the operator before the arguments allows the parser to know in advance how many arguments are required. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From cmosley@voicenet.com Tue Sep 4 11:21:08 EDT 2001 Article: 12741 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news3.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: transparent printing in linux Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990216 ("Styrofoam") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) Lines: 9 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 09:42:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@voicenet.com X-Trace: news3.voicenet.com 999510174 209.71.48.250 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 05:42:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 05:42:54 EDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12741 Hello, What kind of characters can be sent between the two printing strings: escape,control,8 bit, characters? What I thinking of doing is checking to see if a file is binary in my printing script and uuencoding if it is, then cat-ing it between the printing strings. I would then add uudecode to the magicfilter, so I could print graphics, pdf etc. Any ideas? Thanks From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 4 11:21:11 EDT 2001 Article: 12743 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: transparent printing in linux Date: 3 Sep 2001 17:49:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9n0fr5$dp1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999539365 14113 128.59.39.2 (3 Sep 2001 17:49:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2001 17:49:25 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12743 In article , Christopher Mosley wrote: : Hello, : What kind of characters can be sent between the two printing : strings: escape,control,8 bit, characters? What I thinking of : doing is checking to see if a file is binary in my printing script : and uuencoding if it is, then cat-ing it between the printing strings. : I would then add uudecode to the magicfilter, so I could print : graphics, pdf etc. Any ideas? : All character sequences other than the Exit Transparent Print sequence may be transmitted during Transparent Printing. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From cmosley@voicenet.com Tue Sep 4 11:21:13 EDT 2001 Article: 12744 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news3.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: transparent printing in linux Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9n0fr5$dp1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990216 ("Styrofoam") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) Lines: 28 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 18:47:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@voicenet.com X-Trace: news3.voicenet.com 999542834 209.71.48.250 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 14:47:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 14:47:14 EDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12744 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > In article , > Christopher Mosley wrote: > : Hello, > : What kind of characters can be sent between the two printing > : strings: escape,control,8 bit, characters? What I thinking of > : doing is checking to see if a file is binary in my printing script > : and uuencoding if it is, then cat-ing it between the printing strings. > : I would then add uudecode to the magicfilter, so I could print > : graphics, pdf etc. Any ideas? > : > All character sequences other than the Exit Transparent Print sequence > may be transmitted during Transparent Printing. Would you have any idea why I can't print some files. A jpeg that will print locally on linux using lpr will not print from the remote using transparent printing. I have been able to print postscript files using transparent printing. Thanks > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From cmosley@voicenet.com Tue Sep 4 11:21:16 EDT 2001 Article: 12745 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news3.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: transparent printing in linux Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <9n0fr5$dp1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990216 ("Styrofoam") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) Lines: 44 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:47:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@voicenet.com X-Trace: news3.voicenet.com 999546459 209.71.48.250 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:47:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:47:39 EDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12745 Christopher Mosley wrote: > Jeffrey Altman wrote: >> In article , >> Christopher Mosley wrote: >> : Hello, >> : What kind of characters can be sent between the two printing >> : strings: escape,control,8 bit, characters? What I thinking of >> : doing is checking to see if a file is binary in my printing script >> : and uuencoding if it is, then cat-ing it between the printing strings. >> : I would then add uudecode to the magicfilter, so I could print >> : graphics, pdf etc. Any ideas? >> : >> All character sequences other than the Exit Transparent Print sequence >> may be transmitted during Transparent Printing. > Would you have any idea why I can't print some files. A jpeg that will > print locally on linux using lpr will not print from the remote using > transparent printing. I have been able to print postscript > files using transparent printing. > Thanks I found some very short gifs (300 bytes) and was able to print them. Maybe I'm running into the exit sequences prematurely. I'll have to do some searches in files that failed and see if that is the problem. I don't how how random the distribution of chars is in these file types is, If it were random wouldn't the probability of any four chars being the exit sequence be 1/( 256 ^ 4), a pretty big number, but me thinks I don't really know. Geesh >> Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available >> The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP >> http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and >> kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 4 11:39:28 EDT 2001 Article: 12749 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: 4 Sep 2001 15:21:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9n2rh6$46f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9muuba04gd@enews4.newsguy.com> <9n1i9i$998$1@samba.rahul.net> <9n2gsr$pj9$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999616870 4303 128.59.39.2 (4 Sep 2001 15:21:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 2001 15:21:10 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12749 In article <9n2gsr$pj9$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <9n1i9i$998$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : Grinder wrote: : : : Sorry, me again--with the same problem. I modified my script a : : : bit to simply some goto statements, but diagnostices yield the : : : same thing: : : : : : if < \Ffiles(queue\*.zip) 1 goto SENDZERO : : : : If this is a cut and paste, and not just a typo here, isn't the expression : : wrong? I would expect the < to be in a different place on the line. : : The notation is correct. Placing the operator before the arguments : allows the parser to know in advance how many arguments are required. : If we wrote Boolean expressions in natural infix order, it would make it impossible for ?-help to work in IF conditions. - Frank From dold@email.rahul.net Tue Sep 4 15:43:46 EDT 2001 Article: 12750 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mars.njcc.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!ord2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!newspeer2.tds.net!feeder.nmix.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@72.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if exist Date: 4 Sep 2001 19:32:11 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9n3a7r$rf$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <9mp7sp0vm6@enews4.newsguy.com> <9mphnl$2jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9muuba04gd@enews4.newsguy.com> <9n1i9i$998$1@samba.rahul.net> <9n2gsr$pj9$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@email.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12750 Jeffrey Altman wrote: : The notation is correct. Placing the operator before the arguments : allows the parser to know in advance how many arguments are required. I should have just used the online help for verification. I changed computers recently, and I didn't add the online .pdf yet, so I was thinking that I didn't have the docs... darn built-in help ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From dold@email.rahul.net Tue Sep 4 15:54:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12751 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mars.njcc.com!yellow.newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.dra.com!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@17.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Slow on Solaris x86? Date: 4 Sep 2001 19:39:33 GMT Organization: Wintercreek Data Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9n3all$u8$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@email.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12751 I just installed Solaris8 x86 on my old PC... PII-266, 192MB RAM. Of course, my first, and perhaps last ftp transfer was kermit ;-) I have K95 1.1.20 on my 1GHz WinMe box, the latest beta-8 on Solaris. ftp runs about 13KBps, and kermit with "normal" prefixing, runs about 7KBps. Changing the kermit to "wild abandon" moves it up to 12KBps, but that's still a lot slower than I expect for kermit or ftp, with only two computers on a 10BaseT link. Is Solaris x86 really slow? Even my Adaptec 2940 and 4mm DAT give dreadful performance, about 50KBps. I forget what it was on Unixware on the same box, but I thought it was pretty snappy. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 4 16:07:49 EDT 2001 Article: 12752 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow on Solaris x86? Date: 4 Sep 2001 19:53:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9n3bgb$j73$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9n3all$u8$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999633227 19683 128.59.39.2 (4 Sep 2001 19:53:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 2001 19:53:47 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12752 In article <9n3all$u8$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : I just installed Solaris8 x86 on my old PC... PII-266, 192MB RAM. : Of course, my first, and perhaps last ftp transfer was kermit ;-) : I have K95 1.1.20 on my 1GHz WinMe box, the latest beta-8 on Solaris. : : ftp runs about 13KBps, and kermit with "normal" prefixing, runs : about 7KBps. Changing the kermit to "wild abandon" moves it up to : 12KBps, but that's still a lot slower than I expect for kermit or ftp, : with only two computers on a 10BaseT link. : : Is Solaris x86 really slow? Even my Adaptec 2940 and 4mm DAT give : dreadful performance, about 50KBps. I forget what it was on Unixware on : the same box, but I thought it was pretty snappy. : Your numbers are definitely not typical. I'm not a Solaris manager so I can't be helpful on that front, but C-Kermit 7.0 and later should be about as fast as FTP on network connections by default, assuming a partner of similar vintage on the other end, because they'll negotiate such things as streaming automatically and then push the data through nonstop. Also a fair degree of "unprefixing" of control characters is used by default on these connections, so it shouldn't have been necessary to change the settings to get it. Maybe you have some conservative settings in your C-Kermit initialization file? Also, try C-Kermit 8.0 Beta, which should be faster still (because as time goes on our default settings can become less and less conservative): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html Anyway, you did get Kermit to perform about the same as FTP. Why you can't get FTP to perform like it should is the real question, so "round up the usual suspects" -- interrupt conflicts, etc etc. And yes, I have Solarix x86 here (2.8 as well as 8), and both perform just fine on the local net, with FTP (and Kermit) throughput approaching 10Mbps. - Frank From dkcombs@panix.com Thu Sep 6 11:14:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12757 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Frank: you said send email; I did; did you ever receive it? Date: 6 Sep 2001 02:32:54 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <9n75am$men$1@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 999757947 11675 166.84.1.2 (6 Sep 2001 06:32:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2001 06:32:27 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12757 You asked me to try some things about getting your alpha 7 (or is it called alpha 8?) to successfully dial into Panix. I did, and it works. Except, it is apparantely in a mode that makes it run, sometimes, at 1/4th or 1/5th the speed I am used to with Kermit 6. (I skipped 7) I sent you this (unfortunately) long email, showing you pretty much everything from a run of each one. Plus the .mykermrc files for each. And, in a separate email, the fact that Panix says that a usr modem should probably use "x2" (whatever that is) -- which I added to the init-string for the modem (in the .mykermrc). ---- You know, I'd be happy to contribute some money, not a whole lot, but $100 I could handle ok, for you guys to take my password on panix (use PCs, with netbsd) and dial in from some convenient Sun/Solaris (7 is what I use), and play a bit. Whatever you find out, we could document and give to panix for them to add to *their* communications doc -- not a bad thing. And it would give you guys a chance to try your program on something that's maybe somewhat flakey... Anyway, I'm still stuck using the net late at night -- that alpha is working so slowly (screen fills way too slowly) that until I learn (from you?) how to make it "fast", I'' stick to 6. (yes, I've tried "fast", to no effect.) Thanks so much for any help you can provide. David Combs From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 6 11:39:43 EDT 2001 Article: 12758 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Frank: you said send email; I did; did you ever receive it? Date: 6 Sep 2001 15:14:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: <9n83rt$ncr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9n75am$men$1@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999789245 23963 128.59.39.2 (6 Sep 2001 15:14:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2001 15:14:05 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12758 In article <9n75am$men$1@panix2.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : You asked me to try some things about getting your : alpha 7 (or is it called alpha 8?) to successfully : dial into Panix. : : I did, and it works. : : Except, it is apparantely in a mode that makes it : run, sometimes, at 1/4th or 1/5th the speed I : am used to with Kermit 6. (I skipped 7) : It works, but it's slower. Assuming you are dialing at the same speed (are you?), then either you have set it up with different parameters (packet length, window size, etc) or else it's getting correctable transmission errors. The "show protocol" command reveals the packet length and window size. Compare the results for versions 6 and 8. The file-transfer display gives the error/retransmission count. You can also get a summary after the fact with the "statistics" command. Also use the "show communications" command to see the serial-port settings -- speed, flow control, etc. : And, in a separate email, the fact that : Panix says that a usr modem should probably : use "x2" (whatever that is) -- which I added : to the init-string for the modem (in the .mykermrc). : That applies only to dialing; it has no effect on the connection itself, once it is made. : Whatever you find out, we could document : and give to panix for them to add to *their* : communications doc -- not a bad thing. : : And it would give you guys a chance to : try your program on something that's : maybe somewhat flakey... : If you can't figure this out from the evidence at hand, ask the Panix admins to contact us and we can work directly with them. - Frank From dkcombs@panix.com Fri Sep 7 16:11:51 EDT 2001 Article: 12759 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: solaris and panix (solaris VS panix) Date: 7 Sep 2001 20:06:23 GMT Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9nb9bv$20q$1@news.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 999893183 2074 166.84.1.3 (7 Sep 2001 20:06:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 2001 20:06:23 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Originator: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12759 Ok, will get those statistics, and see what I can do myself -- although this communications stuff is just *not* my thing. If we do decide to set up a direct conversation between you and panix, who should call whom, at what phone number, what time of day best, etc. Thanks! David From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 7 16:11:53 EDT 2001 Article: 12760 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: solaris and panix (solaris VS panix) Date: 7 Sep 2001 20:11:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9nb9mc$q25$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9nb9bv$20q$1@news.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999893516 26693 128.59.39.2 (7 Sep 2001 20:11:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 2001 20:11:56 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12760 In article <9nb9bv$20q$1@news.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : Ok, will get those statistics, and see what : I can do myself -- although this communications : stuff is just *not* my thing. : I hope all of concepts are explained clearly in the book. Start with Appendix II on p.479. Then look through Chapters 10 and 12. : If we do decide to set up a direct conversation : between you and panix, who should call whom, : at what phone number, what time of day best, : etc. : Just have them send e-mail to the regular address: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 7 16:24:47 EDT 2001 Article: 12761 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: solaris and panix (solaris VS panix) Date: 7 Sep 2001 20:12:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9nb9o4$q2p$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9nb9bv$20q$1@news.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 999893572 26713 128.59.39.2 (7 Sep 2001 20:12:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 2001 20:12:52 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12761 In article <9nb9bv$20q$1@news.panix.com>, David Combs wrote: : : If we do decide to set up a direct conversation : between you and panix, who should call whom, : at what phone number, what time of day best, : etc. Panix should send e-mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 10 13:26:48 EDT 2001 Article: 12766 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.03 Date: 10 Sep 2001 17:25:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 131 Message-ID: <9nit2k$q7b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000142740 26859 128.59.39.2 (10 Sep 2001 17:25:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2001 17:25:40 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12766 C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.03 is ready for testing: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html Changes since Beta.02 of 28 June 2001: Scripting: . It is now possible for scripts to trap Ctrl-C. . Documentation: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x8.14 New HTTP facility: . HTTP 1.1 persistent connections (reopened automatically on server close). . One-shot URL-driven HTTP connections. . Secure (https) connections. . HTTP connections don't interfere with non-HTTP connections. . HTTP OPEN, PUT, GET, HEAD, INDEX, POST, CLOSE fully scriptable. . Documentation: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x2.2 FTP improvements: . New FTP [M]PUT /SIMULATE shows which files would be sent (useful with /UPDATE, /RECURSIVE, etc). . Empty directories are now mirrored on resursive directory-tree transfers. . Better handling of symbolic links. . Improved messages and feedback. . New CDUP and REMOTE CDUP commands. . { MGET,MPUT } /LISTFILE:filename now works. . GET /RENAME-TO:, /MOVE-TO:, /SERVER-RENAME: fixed. . PUT /AFTER: fixed. . Various problems with directory-tree recursion fixed. . Some incorrect transaction log entries fixed. . Documentation: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3 Other networking: . New IP address-to-name function \faddr2name(). . New IP name-to-address function \fname2addr(). . TCP service names are now treated case-independently (HTTP vs http). . Numerous Kerberos, SSL/TLS, and SRP updates. Big improvements in date-time parsing: . Timezone conversion. . Many, many more formats understood (RFC 2822, ISO 8061, Asctime, etc). . New functions for comparing date-times and getting their difference. . New flexible delta-time notation. . Informative error messages for malformed date-times. . Modified Julian Date (MJD) calculation fixed for 0000-1897 and 2100-9999. . Documentation: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x8.13 Pattern-matching improvements: . GREP-like commands and functions now allow egrep-like anchors (^....$). . INPUT \fpattern() is much more efficient. . Documentation: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x8.12 Kermit file transfer improvements: . Better handling of symbolic links. . New reporting of skip reason when a file is skipped (e.g. "date"). . SEND /MAIL /SUBJECT:"lots of text" fixed. . Some subtle problems with REGET fixed. . Some confusion with BRIEF file-transfer display fixed. . File count in file-transfer statistics could be incorrect. New or improved commands: . SET EXIT HANGUP { ON, OFF } allows skipping of hangup on exit. . SET FILE EOF { LENGTH, CTRL-Z } for coping with DOS or CP/M text files. . CHMOD now gives meaningful error messages. . RENAME can now rename directories as well as files. . ASK and ASKQ now have a /TIMEOUT:sec switch. . DIRECTORY blah, where blah lacks read permission, now works. . Documentation: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x7 Bug fixes etc: . New general fix installed for ncurses loss-of-buffering bug. . \v(dialresult) messages were off by one. . SET FILE STRINGSPACE and LISTSIZE needed more work. . The SHIFT command gave incorrect results on some architectures. . Switch arguments could be ignored if switch preceded by 2 or more spaces. . SET TERM IDLE-ACTION HANGUP didn't work if modem ignored DTR. . OpenBSD hardware flow control didn't work. . OpenBSD UUCP lockfile was wrong and uu_lock() should have been used. . Fixed PTY handling in Ultrix. . Improved error reporting for PTY operations. . Fixes SCO OSR5 makefile targets. . FOR-loops did not work if loop variable started with certain letters. . Handle -B (background) command-line arg at earliest possible moment. . _UNDEFINE /MATCHING didn't always catch everything. . RLOGIN error message for VMS are no longer overwritten by prompt. . Ctrl-C during ASK or similar command clobbered command recall. . Some messages that were not suppressed with SET QUIET ON are now. New platforms: . QNX 6 . VMS 7.3 . FreeBSD 4.4 . Apple Darwin 1.3.3 . SCO Open Unix 8.0 . Slackware 8.0 . Red Hat 7.1 Remember that the source-code set now includes the security modules, which are now legal to export. Given the appropriate Kerberos, OpenSSL, and/or SRP libraries and header files, you can build secure C-Kermit versions that include secure Telnet, Rlogin, IKSD, and HTTP clients. For instructions see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security80.html C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.03 has been built on about 90 different OS/hardware combinations so far. Please see the binaries list at the end of the web page; if you have a platform that does not have a Beta.03 binary listed, please try building it there and upload the result. For UNIX please use a name like: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/cku200b03.xxx where xxx follows the normal convention of makefile entry name, hardware, OS release, whatever was used in the previous Beta: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html#binlist For VMS use: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/ckv200b03-ppp-vmsvv-nnnnn.exe where ppp is "axp" or "vax", vv is the VMS version (e.g. "71" for 7.1), and nnnnn is the network option ("nonet", "tgv43", "ucx50", etc). If you have trouble with the new Beta, please let me know. Thanks! - Frank From zagar@arlut.utexas.edu Mon Sep 10 15:59:11 EDT 2001 Article: 12767 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!ns3.arlut.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Zagar Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 7.0.197 problems on Solaris 8 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:44:05 -0500 Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, UT-Austin Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3B9D1805.643D018@arlut.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ginsu.arlut.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ns3.arlut.utexas.edu 1000150187 4206 10.8.17.89 (10 Sep 2001 19:29:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@arlut.utexas.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2001 19:29:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12767 I am having some problems with C-Kermit 7.0.197 on a SunBlade 100 (Sun Solaris 8). Whenever I type the command "set line /dev/term/a", Kermit always hangs. I have to Ctrl-C to get my kermit prompt again. Everything after that seems to work normally, but I have no idea why "set line /dev/term/a" is behaving the way it does. Help! -Randy Zagar From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 10 15:59:16 EDT 2001 Article: 12768 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0.197 problems on Solaris 8 Date: 10 Sep 2001 19:59:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9nj628$3lf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B9D1805.643D018@arlut.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000151944 3759 128.59.39.2 (10 Sep 2001 19:59:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2001 19:59:04 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12768 In article <3B9D1805.643D018@arlut.utexas.edu>, Randy Zagar wrote: : : I am having some problems with C-Kermit 7.0.197 on a SunBlade 100 : (Sun Solaris 8). : : Whenever I type the command "set line /dev/term/a", Kermit always hangs. : I have to Ctrl-C to get my kermit prompt again. Everything after that : seems to work normally, but I have no idea why "set line /dev/term/a" : is behaving the way it does. : It probably has to do the RTS and CTS signals. This problem should be fixed in C-Kermit 8.0 Beta: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html - Frank From zagar@arlut.utexas.edu Mon Sep 10 16:29:16 EDT 2001 Article: 12769 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!uwm.edu!newsfeed.cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!ns3.arlut.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Zagar Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0.197 problems on Solaris 8 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:24:16 -0500 Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, UT-Austin Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3B9D2170.9A10808A@arlut.utexas.edu> References: <3B9D1805.643D018@arlut.utexas.edu> <9nj628$3lf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ginsu.arlut.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ns3.arlut.utexas.edu 1000152598 4935 10.8.17.89 (10 Sep 2001 20:09:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@arlut.utexas.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2001 20:09:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12769 Yes, it is. Version 8.0b3 works fine. How quickly will Kermit 8.0 get out of beta? -Randy Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <3B9D1805.643D018@arlut.utexas.edu>, > Randy Zagar wrote: > : > : I am having some problems with C-Kermit 7.0.197 on a SunBlade 100 > : (Sun Solaris 8). > : > : Whenever I type the command "set line /dev/term/a", Kermit always hangs. > : I have to Ctrl-C to get my kermit prompt again. Everything after that > : seems to work normally, but I have no idea why "set line /dev/term/a" > : is behaving the way it does. > : > It probably has to do the RTS and CTS signals. This problem should be > fixed in C-Kermit 8.0 Beta: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 10 16:29:19 EDT 2001 Article: 12770 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0.197 problems on Solaris 8 Date: 10 Sep 2001 20:29:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9nj7r0$549$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B9D1805.643D018@arlut.utexas.edu> <9nj628$3lf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3B9D2170.9A10808A@arlut.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000153760 5257 128.59.39.2 (10 Sep 2001 20:29:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2001 20:29:20 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12770 In article <3B9D2170.9A10808A@arlut.utexas.edu>, Randy Zagar wrote: : ... : How quickly will Kermit 8.0 get out of beta? : As soon as we can get it out. I can't give a specific date but I think it's close. Since Beta.03 was announced only a few hours ago, we'll need at least a few weeks to sift through the test reports. - Frank From P.Zandbergen@macroscoop.nl Wed Sep 12 11:10:22 EDT 2001 Article: 12772 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mars.njcc.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cleanfeed.casema.net!leda.casema.net!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed03.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewspost00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!read.news.nl.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Pim Zandbergen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K-95 Linux console emulation character sets Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:54:24 +0200 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: dali.macroscoop.nl X-Trace: 1000245276 read.news.nl.uu.net 210 212.153.2.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nl.uu.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12772 On the Linux console, curses applications can display latin1-iso characters surrounded by box characters. When using the K-95 Linux console emulation, I have to use the cp850 character set to get the box characters to display correctly, but this (obviously) also effects the text. Is there a way to have text in latin1-iso and still display box characters correctly? Thanks, Pim From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 12 11:10:24 EDT 2001 Article: 12773 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 Linux console emulation character sets Date: 12 Sep 2001 00:53:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9nmbn5$f2r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000256037 15451 128.59.39.2 (12 Sep 2001 00:53:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2001 00:53:57 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12773 In article , Pim Zandbergen wrote: : On the Linux console, curses applications can display latin1-iso : characters surrounded by box characters. : : When using the K-95 Linux console emulation, I have to use the cp850 : character set to get the box characters to display correctly, but this : (obviously) also effects the text. : : Is there a way to have text in latin1-iso and still display box : characters correctly? : : Thanks, : Pim Try SET TERMINAL REMOTE-CHARACTER-SET CP437 G2 Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From P.Zandbergen@macroscoop.nl Wed Sep 12 11:10:30 EDT 2001 Article: 12774 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!peerfeed.news.psi.net!unlisys!news.snafu.de!nautilus.eusc.inter.net!blackbush.xlink.net!blackbush.de.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewspost00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!read.news.nl.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Pim Zandbergen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 Linux console emulation character sets Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:03:00 +0200 Organization: Macroscoop BV Message-ID: References: <9nmbn5$f2r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: renoir.macroscoop.nl X-Trace: 1000303380 read.news.nl.uu.net 215 212.153.2.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nl.uu.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12774 On 12 Sep 2001 00:53:57 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >: Is there a way to have text in latin1-iso and still display box >: characters correctly? >Try > > SET TERMINAL REMOTE-CHARACTER-SET CP437 G2 This gets the box characters right, but the text is not displayed in the latin1-iso character set. If you have a Red Hat box you can see for yourself using dialog(1). dialog --no-shadow --infobox `echo -e 'h\351l\350ne'` 20 70 This displays "hélène" in a box. If you don't have the dialog uitility, then you can cat the attached file to your terminal. begin 644 dialog.out.gz M'XL("%=GGSL``V1I86QO9RYO=70`DXXVM#8R+9*.-K`V-,B5CC;)D8XVMK0V ML'.!L`(02$<;>BO`U%@;&L+UF^?> M.H(7P-U@;`!1G_$RYT5>*G:S\!L%,PRJ!VK>?IQ.-W7'X^S-&`Z3CC:SB)". M-@=IP[1F\Z@UH]:,6C-JS:@UH]:,>&L.8#.+4.U-#+B)W3V\7+#6"!`#9:Q- @C#T0/L5HT1B96EL8>,!D>,%Z@&*&'KP`5#N@O!H)```` ` end From kth@srv.net Wed Sep 12 12:03:42 EDT 2001 Article: 12775 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!HSNX.atgi.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9F718B.B39F8250@srv.net> From: Kevin Handy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 crashes SPOOL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:29:15 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:30:35 -0600 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12775 I have a problem that Kermit95 (1.1.15) printing through a printer port on a Windows98 system is causing a crash in SPOOL. It may be related to printing to a network printer. Has anyone else seen this and found a solution? Would a newer version of Kermit95 fix the problem? Any other ideas? From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 12 12:06:20 EDT 2001 Article: 12776 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.03 Date: 12 Sep 2001 15:46:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <9no00m$f36$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9njfoh$aui$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9nna5l$8pt46$2@ID-49635.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000309590 15462 128.59.39.2 (12 Sep 2001 15:46:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2001 15:46:30 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:16254 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:179102 comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:18925 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12776 In article <9nna5l$8pt46$2@ID-49635.news.dfncis.de>, Thomas Mueller wrote: : from fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) : : : > C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.03 is available for testing: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html : : There are newer released versions of OpenBSD (2.9) and NetBSD (up to 1.5.1). : What about Linux? : Of course it is available for Linux too, and all other known versions of Unix, past and present, as well as other operating systems such as VMS. See the web page. : I would be unlikely to run OpenBSD <= 2.8 or NetBSD <= 1.4.1. : I don't have access to them. That's one reason why I posted the announcement, so people with *BSD versions that I don't have access to can build and test on these versions. Presumably it is only a simple matter of unpacking the tarball and typing "make openbsd" or "make netbsd". If there are problems, I want to hear about them. : Where does one get to test telnet and lowly modem program these days, with : BBSes having given way to the Internet? : If you don't need and don't have a way to test Kermit's modem features, don't test them. However, you might be interested to learn that direct dialing is still widely used in many applications, all supported by Kermit: . Numeric and alphanumeric paging . Medical and pharmaceutical claims submission . EDI . Fast food franchises, etc etc. You can still test: . Its telnet client (regular, or secured via Kerberos, SSL/TLS, or SRP). . Its rlogin client (regular, or secured via Kerberos). . Its FTP client (regular, or secured via Kerberos, SSL/TLS, or SRP). . Its HTTP client (regular, or secured via SSL/TLS). . Its SSH interface. On all of these are fully and innately scriptable. The Telnet and rlogin clients include file transfer. All but the HTTP include character-set conversion, e.g. Latin-1/UTF8. There seems to be a common perception that Kermit has not progressed since its first 1980s incarnation. Perhaps you should take a new look: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 12 12:06:25 EDT 2001 Article: 12777 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 crashes SPOOL Date: 12 Sep 2001 16:06:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9no162$ft7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3B9F718B.B39F8250@srv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000310786 16295 128.59.39.2 (12 Sep 2001 16:06:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2001 16:06:26 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12777 In article <3B9F718B.B39F8250@srv.net>, Kevin Handy wrote: : I have a problem that Kermit95 (1.1.15) printing through a printer : port on a Windows98 system is causing a crash in SPOOL. It may be : related to printing to a network printer. : Printing how? Pass-through printing from host? Alt-p? Print Screen? The PRINT command? What does SHOW PRINTER say? And what, exactly, do you mean by "SPOOL"? What is crashing: Kermit, Windows, or the print spooling software? : Has anyone else seen this and found a solution? Would a newer : version of Kermit95 fix the problem? : Without more details I can't say, but you should patch up to the current release in any case, since that is the release that we support: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html - Frank From brian.spengler@yorkville-il.com Wed Sep 12 16:29:54 EDT 2001 Article: 12779 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: brian.spengler@yorkville-il.com (brian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: terminal emulation questions Date: 12 Sep 2001 13:17:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.42.131.253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000325856 21912 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2001 20:17:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2001 20:17:36 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12779 1) anyway to fill the entire screen? At 600x800 there's about an inch of unused space at the bottom of the screen (when maximized). 2) anyway to have second (third, etc.) telnet session have different screen colors? thanks From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 12 16:29:56 EDT 2001 Article: 12780 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: terminal emulation questions Date: 12 Sep 2001 20:30:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9nogkb$r0n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000326603 27671 128.59.39.2 (12 Sep 2001 20:30:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2001 20:30:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12780 In article , brian wrote: : 1) anyway to fill the entire screen? At 600x800 there's about an inch : of unused space at the bottom of the screen (when maximized). : Assuming you are talking about Kermit 95 then, depending on the underlying OS, you can enter and exit fullscreen console mode with Alt-Enter. : 2) anyway to have second (third, etc.) telnet session have different : screen colors? : Assuming you are talking about Kermit 95, you can use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command or, easier still, you can select the desired color scheme for each connection separately in the Dialer. - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 13 13:12:48 EDT 2001 Article: 12781 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Unix Tip problem Date: 13 Sep 2001 17:07:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <9nqp4i$hau$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <113ed076.0109070921.45c34569@posting.google.com> <9nb0g4$1qh$0@pita.alt.net> <1000398035.902707@blake.timetraveller.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000400850 17758 128.59.39.2 (13 Sep 2001 17:07:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2001 17:07:30 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.solaris:349614 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12781 In article <1000398035.902707@blake.timetraveller.org>, Robert Brockway wrote: : cypher@punk.net wrote: : : William wrote: : : # Dear all: : : # : : # I was asked to write a program that can dial out. : : # But when I dial out and login to SCO UNIX, : : # I got a trouble !! When I use sz to send file ,it can't work! : : # But I use Solaris's "tip" command then rz/sz can work! : : # Who can tell me where can find "tip" command's source code? : : # Please help me ! Thanks! : : : People keep mentioning kermit as a good tool : : for sending files over serial lines. : : : If that's primarily what you're doing... : : Kermit is both a serial utility & a serial transfer protocol. For : transfering data, kermit is significantly (2-3 times from memory) slower : than Z-modem (sz/rz under unix) : No, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/perf.html : and is somewhat feature-free lacking : auto-start and recommencement features, etc. : No, it has all those features. : Before ppp/slip was around I used to do alot of serial file transfers and : used to always look for Z-modem, then X-modem and finally kermit. : This is the kind of advice that was common in the 1980s. Please bring yourself up to date before giving advice in public: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From grinder@no.spam.maam.com Wed Sep 19 10:01:41 EDT 2001 Article: 12786 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Grinder" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Trivial Request Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:11:56 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9o8vpo026ts@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-166-242-235.grics.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12786 In this newgroup, I've asked for (and been granted) assistance on multiple occassions in the past. It makes this "problem" seem trivial, but perhaps it has an easy answer... I'm ShellExecute'ing K95 to send and receive some files with a manufactured script. That works well, but the console window that appears is a bit spastic. It appears that K95 is adjusting the window size to better accomodate some of the full screen displays it employs--but with little success. The upload/download status displays are rarely positioned on the screen, and only slightly more often affored a display of the progress. (It's different every time.) Also, when K95 terminates, it expands the height of the console to the height of the screen. It's purely a cosmetic concern, but is there a way to control this? From henry.thorpe@att.net Wed Sep 19 10:01:48 EDT 2001 Article: 12787 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA8A594.D824E5C2@att.net> From: "Henry E. Thorpe" Organization: Just me! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 SSLtelnet w/ OpenSSL 0.9.6b? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: yo1q7-5959-jy2-506@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1000907523 yo1q7-5959-jy2-506@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net (Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:52:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:52:03 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:52:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12787 Folks; I'm using Kermit 95 1.1.20, 31 Mar 2000, for 32-bit Windows. I tried upgrading my OpenSSL files for K95 to 0.9.6b. K95 doesn't recognize them, and doesn't attempt to START_TLS. So, I put back the 0.9.5 OpenSSL EXE and DLLs. Any chance of getting K95 to work with OpenSSL 0.9.6? There are some issues with the PRNG routines prior to 0.9.6... TIA, Henry -- ____________________________________________________________ Henry E. Thorpe -- Henry.Thorpe@worldnet.att.net From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 19 10:29:26 EDT 2001 Article: 12790 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Code Red / Nimba script Date: 19 Sep 2001 14:16:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <9oa9b8$6ig$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000908968 6736 128.59.39.2 (19 Sep 2001 14:16:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 14:16:08 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12790 If you have a Unix workstation that is not running a Web browser, and you can become root on it, then you can run a Kermit script on on it to harmlessly absorb and log port 80 attacks such as Code Red and Nimba. In fact, if you run such a script continuously, you'll begin to attract huge numbers of attacks, thus perhaps in a sense diverting them from more vulnerable targets, but at least learning the identities of the infected machines so they can be cleansed. The script requires some new features, so works only with C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.03: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#inet My copy of this script is getting over 1000 hits per hour today. Also included is a script to summarize the log. (The script also can be used in Windows, but requires a K95 version that is not released yet.) Meanwhile, looking back fondly on the great old pre-Windows pre-Web days, when computing was diverse, fun, safe, I wrote a short piece showing how I can still work safely and productively without ever having to worry about viruses, even though I have an Internet-connected Windows PC on my desk: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/safe.html It's not everybody's cup of tea, but then (I would hope) neither is reformatting your hard disk, reinstalling your OS, reinstalling all your applications, and losing all your work (which you didn't back up) every time a new virus appears or (worse) allowing your PC to be turned into a weapon against your customers, colleages, friends, and family. - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 19 10:49:39 EDT 2001 Article: 12791 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trivial Request Date: 19 Sep 2001 14:38:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9oaaks$80r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9o8vpo026ts@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000910300 8219 128.59.39.2 (19 Sep 2001 14:38:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 14:38:20 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12791 In article <9o8vpo026ts@enews4.newsguy.com>, Grinder wrote: : In this newgroup, I've asked for (and been granted) assistance : on multiple occassions in the past. It makes this "problem" : seem trivial, but perhaps it has an easy answer... : : I'm ShellExecute'ing K95 to send and receive some files with a : manufactured script. That works well, but the console window : that appears is a bit spastic. It appears that K95 is adjusting : the window size to better accomodate some of the full screen : displays it employs--but with little success. The : upload/download status displays are rarely positioned on the : screen, and only slightly more often affored a display of the : progress. (It's different every time.) : : Also, when K95 terminates, it expands the height of the console : to the height of the screen. : : It's purely a cosmetic concern, but is there a way to control : this? : : : This is most likely because you are using NT or 2000 and the screen buffer asociated with the K95 process is greater than 100 lines and /or the number of lines that can be displayed on your monitor. Start the K95 process, go to the system menu for that window and reduce the screen buffer to a reasonable size. 25 lines, 80 columns. And then save the changes for future instances of this application. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 19 10:49:44 EDT 2001 Article: 12792 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 SSLtelnet w/ OpenSSL 0.9.6b? Date: 19 Sep 2001 14:41:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9oaare$83h$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3BA8A594.D824E5C2@att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000910510 8305 128.59.39.2 (19 Sep 2001 14:41:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 14:41:50 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12792 OpenSSL versions are not binary compatible nor are they backward compatible. You cannot interchange one set of DLLs for another. The Windows versions of OpenSSL draw random number data from the Windows crypto routines and then mix it in with other stuff specific to OpenSSL. It is not as vulnerable as the Unix version of OpenSSL 0.9.5a is. The next version of K95 will use either 0.9.6b or a development version of 0.9.7 (for Kerberos support). In article <3BA8A594.D824E5C2@att.net>, Henry E. Thorpe wrote: : Folks; : : I'm using Kermit 95 1.1.20, 31 Mar 2000, for 32-bit Windows. : : I tried upgrading my OpenSSL files for K95 to 0.9.6b. K95 doesn't : recognize them, and doesn't attempt to START_TLS. : : So, I put back the 0.9.5 OpenSSL EXE and DLLs. : : Any chance of getting K95 to work with OpenSSL 0.9.6? There are some : issues with the PRNG routines prior to 0.9.6... : : TIA, : Henry : -- : ____________________________________________________________ : Henry E. Thorpe -- Henry.Thorpe@worldnet.att.net Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 19 11:16:40 EDT 2001 Article: 12793 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 1.1.20 can now be downloaded Date: 19 Sep 2001 15:13:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9oacmg$9ad$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000912400 9549 128.59.39.2 (19 Sep 2001 15:13:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 15:13:20 GMT Keywords: Kermit 95, K95 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12793 For years, people have been asking us for a publicly downloadable trial version of Kermit 95. We would have been happy to oblige but since we wanted to make a good first impression, we were postponing this until the GUI version was ready. But now, even though the GUI version is very nearly ready, the supply of K95+ shrinkwraps is exhausted. It doesn't make sense to run a new batch at this late date, so instead we are putting up a full-featured but time-limited K95 demo for public download: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95download.html Due to publishing contracts, etc, however, it lacks the manuals. This should not be a big burden to modern computer users, who don't read manuals anyway :-) Plus they are big and you probably wouldn't want to download them. But in any case we'll cope the best we can by answering questions, putting up a tutorial: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95tutorial.html and whatever else it takes. Please try out the download as soon as you can and let us know of any kinks in our new InstallShield installation procedure (bearing in mind that the network might be melting down because of the Nimba virus). It's about 3.7MB. Meanwhile, we'll be fulfilling shrinkwrap orders electronically, following up with actual packages when K95 Version 2.00 is ready. - Frank From henry.thorpe@att.net Wed Sep 19 11:36:29 EDT 2001 Article: 12794 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mars.njcc.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA8BA99.F92A40C4@att.net> From: "Henry E. Thorpe" Organization: Just me! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 1.1.20 can now be downloaded References: <9oacmg$9ad$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: NJ2q7-6196-jy2-757@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1000912880 NJ2q7-6196-jy2-757@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net (Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:21:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:21:20 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:21:20 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12794 Frank; Frank Is there an upgrade price for current registered 1.x users? Henry -- ____________________________________________________________ Henry E. Thorpe Henry.Thorpe@worldnet.att.net Frank da Cruz wrote: > > For years, people have been asking us for a publicly downloadable trial > version of Kermit 95. We would have been happy to oblige but since we > wanted to make a good first impression, we were postponing this until the > GUI version was ready. But now, even though the GUI version is very > nearly ready, the supply of K95+ shrinkwraps is exhausted. It doesn't > make sense to run a new batch at this late date, so instead we are > putting up a full-featured but time-limited K95 demo for public download: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95download.html > > Due to publishing contracts, etc, however, it lacks the manuals. This > should not be a big burden to modern computer users, who don't read > manuals anyway :-) Plus they are big and you probably wouldn't want to > download them. But in any case we'll cope the best we can by answering > questions, putting up a tutorial: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95tutorial.html > > and whatever else it takes. > > Please try out the download as soon as you can and let us know of any > kinks in our new InstallShield installation procedure (bearing in mind > that the network might be melting down because of the Nimba virus). > It's about 3.7MB. > > Meanwhile, we'll be fulfilling shrinkwrap orders electronically, > following up with actual packages when K95 Version 2.00 is ready. > > - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 19 11:44:30 EDT 2001 Article: 12795 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 1.1.20 can now be downloaded Date: 19 Sep 2001 15:44:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9oaeha$aqk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9oacmg$9ad$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3BA8BA99.F92A40C4@att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000914282 11092 128.59.39.2 (19 Sep 2001 15:44:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 15:44:42 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12795 In article <3BA8BA99.F92A40C4@att.net>, Henry E. Thorpe wrote: : Is there an upgrade price for current registered 1.x users? : The Kermit 95 1.1.20 download is not an upgrade. It is a time-expiring trial copy. If you have an earlier retail version of K95, you can install the no-cost upgrade patch from our website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Holders of bulk and academic licenses may install upgrade patches only if their annual maintenance is paid up. Those who wish to evaluate K95 for a bulk or academic site license can now simply download it and try it out, like anyone else: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95download.html - Frank From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 19 12:21:02 EDT 2001 Article: 12796 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat,comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unicode/UTF-8 terminal emulators Date: 19 Sep 2001 16:20:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <9oagka$cco$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9n37gi$51n5h$1@ID-81209.news.dfncis.de> <9o7qme$6l8$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> <9o8gul$biplh$1@ID-81209.news.dfncis.de> <9o9n66$osb$2@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1000916426 12696 128.59.39.2 (19 Sep 2001 16:20:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 16:20:26 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.std.internat:9464 comp.terminals:16536 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12796 In article <9o9n66$osb$2@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Markus Kuhn wrote: : "Konstantinos Kostis" writes: : >> Most of which are terminal emulators using software such : >> as Kermit (has supported UTF-8 for two years now!), not actual : >> terminals with microcontroller firmware. : > : >Interesting. So it's acutally easy now? : : Yes. The single most widely used VT100 terminal emulator to log from : a Win32 machine into a Unix box today is Simon Tatham's PuTTY, a : freely available SSH client, which also had UTF-8 support for quite : some time. For security reasons, practically all decent Unix system : administrators have disabled both telnet and rlogin/rsh on their : machines during the past 2-4 years, and ssh is today the only : widely enabled remote terminal login protocol for Unix. : : http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ : http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html : That may or may not be true, but if it is, it is only through ignorance or laziness. Secure Telnet clients and servers are available that use IETF-approved security methods such as Kerberos IV, Kerberos V, and SSL/TLS that are far more manageable and disaster-recoverable than SSH. Some are listed here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html Among the clients, Kermit 95 for Windows NT/2000/XP supports UTF-8, and the next release of Kermit 95 will also support UTF-8 for Windows 95/98/ME. You can read about Kermit 95 and download a trial version here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html The next version of Kermit 95 will also support SSH V1 and V2, not because we think SSH V1 is a good idea, but only because so many short-sighted or misinformed Unix system administrators have made it requirement to access their servers. The problem with SSH V1, in a nutshell, is that the key files are sitting wide open on the (insecure) Windows disk, waiting to be harvested and cracked offline. Once cracked, the key file gives immediate access to all the victim's hosts, with no way to recover. The reason SSH V1 is so popular is that it's easy to install and manage, compared to a true, centralized, manageable system like Kerberos, and that it's "better than nothing". Easy security is not secure. - Frank From not-a-real-address@usa.net Wed Sep 19 13:10:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12797 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: those who know me have no need of my name Newsgroups: comp.std.internat,comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unicode/UTF-8 terminal emulators Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:00:06 -0000 Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: <9n37gi$51n5h$1@ID-81209.news.dfncis.de> <9o7qme$6l8$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> <9o8gul$biplh$1@ID-81209.news.dfncis.de> <9o9n66$osb$2@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> <9oagka$cco$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.2 (Linux) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.std.internat:9465 comp.terminals:16537 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12797 <9oagka$cco$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> divulged: >The problem with SSH V1, in a nutshell, is that the key >files are sitting wide open on the (insecure) Windows disk, waiting to be >harvested and cracked offline. Once cracked, the key file gives immediate >access to all the victim's hosts, with no way to recover. and the known_hosts file provides a list of hosts that are ready for infiltration. -- okay, have a sig then From grinder@no.spam.maam.com Thu Sep 20 09:22:29 EDT 2001 Article: 12798 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: "Grinder" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trivial Request Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:05:26 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9obd390eu7@enews3.newsguy.com> References: <9o8vpo026ts@enews4.newsguy.com> <9oaaks$80r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-166-242-235.grics.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12798 > This is most likely because you are using NT or 2000 and the > screen buffer asociated with the K95 process is greater than > 100 lines and /or the number of lines that can be displayed on > your monitor. Indeed, that is the case. > Start the K95 process, go to the system menu for that window and > reduce the screen buffer to a reasonable size. 25 lines, 80 columns. > And then save the changes for future instances of this application. Thanks--that did the trick. From fredb@immanent.net Thu Sep 20 12:03:17 EDT 2001 Article: 12799 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!newspeer2.tds.net!gail.ripco.com!not-for-mail From: fredb@immanent.net (Frederick Bruckman) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.03 Date: 20 Sep 2001 15:58:38 GMT Organization: Ripco Communications Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9od3ne$4g7$1@gail.ripco.com> References: <9njfoh$aui$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9o75d0$bh7ug$2@ID-49635.news.dfncis.de> <9o7ipr$b8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tautology.immanent.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: gail.ripco.com 1001001518 4615 209.100.230.146 (20 Sep 2001 15:58:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@gail.ripco.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 2001 15:58:38 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:16296 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:179711 comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:19078 comp.os.linux.misc:518841 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12799 In article <9o7ipr$b8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <9o75d0$bh7ug$2@ID-49635.news.dfncis.de>, > Thomas Mueller wrote: >: In comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc bball wrote: >: > perhaps this has been discussed before, but why is C-Kermit not >: > available via netbsd.org? is this a decision by developers or >: > Columbia? >: >: I think this is a copyright issue. I believe Kermit is not included with >: Linux or the other BSDs, either. >: > Nothing prevents C-Kermit from being included with Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, > or OpenBSD. The copyright specifically allows it: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/c-kermit/COPYING.TXT > > and indeed distributors of all of these free OS's are welcome and invited > to include it. C-Kermit is included in some Linux distributions; sometimes > in the base package, sometimes with the "power tools" or whatever. Not to cloud the issue with facts, but binary packages of kermit-7.0.96 have been available for download on ftp.netbsd.org for nearly every architecture NetBSD supports for over a year now. Just look, huh? -- Frederick From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 20 12:52:27 EDT 2001 Article: 12800 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.03 Date: 20 Sep 2001 16:52:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9od6sn$h3m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9njfoh$aui$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9o75d0$bh7ug$2@ID-49635.news.dfncis.de> <9o7ipr$b8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <9od3ne$4g7$1@gail.ripco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1001004759 17526 128.59.39.2 (20 Sep 2001 16:52:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 2001 16:52:39 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:16297 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:179715 comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:19079 comp.os.linux.misc:518844 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12800 In article <9od3ne$4g7$1@gail.ripco.com>, Frederick Bruckman wrote: : ... : Not to cloud the issue with facts, but binary packages of kermit-7.0.96 : have been available for download on ftp.netbsd.org for nearly every : architecture NetBSD supports for over a year now. Just look, huh? : Yes. This has to be addressed on a case-by-case basis. Install packages (or "ports") are available on many of the *BSD and Linux distributor sites, or elsewhere, and are listed on the C-Kermit page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#packages The related question is including C-Kermit in the base distribution. As I said, all Linux and {Free,Net,Open}BSD packagers are welcome to do this. - Frank From ubw@nowhere.net Thu Sep 20 16:05:18 EDT 2001 Article: 12802 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ubw@nowhere.net (ubw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 in WY60 emulation - SCO msreen compatibility Message-ID: <3baa42c5.773496294@netnews.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 6 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:43:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.90.160.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1001014987 12.90.160.210 (Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:43:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:43:07 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12802 I have downloaded the eval version of Kermit 95 and want to test it under wyse60 emulation using SCO's mscreen utility. Mscreen is SCO's utility to run 2+ virtual terminals from one tty device. By default K95 does not seem to switch screens properly (display different pages of screen memory). Does K95 not support this capability? Is there some setting which needs to be changed to enable it? From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 20 16:05:21 EDT 2001 Article: 12803 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 in WY60 emulation - SCO msreen compatibility Date: 20 Sep 2001 19:50:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9odh9t$ol0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3baa42c5.773496294@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1001015421 25248 128.59.39.2 (20 Sep 2001 19:50:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 2001 19:50:21 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12803 In article <3baa42c5.773496294@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, ubw wrote: : I have downloaded the eval version of Kermit 95 and want to test it : under wyse60 emulation using SCO's mscreen utility. Mscreen is SCO's : utility to run 2+ virtual terminals from one tty device. By default : K95 does not seem to switch screens properly (display different pages : of screen memory). Does K95 not support this capability? Is there : some setting which needs to be changed to enable it? K95 does not support multiple memory pages. You can configure screen to perform its function without using multiple memory pages. You will need to active the SEND-DATA capability which is disabled by default due to its dangerous nature. SET TERMINAL SEND-DATA ON Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. From bglauz@parkbilling.com Fri Sep 21 11:33:04 EDT 2001 Article: 12804 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rnglauz" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit in VB6 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:41:48 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:48:20 -0700 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12804 We have program which generates a data file that we would like to transfer to a Kermit server (old 386). This is working okay using PDQ Comm. However, after the file transfer, we would also like to send DOS instructions to do the following three operations: copy z*.* a: (this copies the file just transmitted to a floppy for transfer to another computer) copy z*.* \u (this copies to a backup directory) del z*.* (this deletes the original file from the pdl directory) PDQ Comm does not appear to do this easily. Is there any other control available for VB6 which can do this. Thanks, Bob (email: rnglauz@ucdavis.edu) From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 21 11:33:51 EDT 2001 Article: 12805 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Code Red / Nimda script Date: 21 Sep 2001 15:24:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9ofm43$4fo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1001085891 4600 128.59.39.2 (21 Sep 2001 15:24:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 2001 15:24:51 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:12805 I posted a pair of scripts the other day: codered and crstats. Since we at Columbia, just as readers everywhere, have been preoccupied with the Nimda virus (among other things) the past few days, those scripts have been improved to run unattended and provide hourly reports and logs via email and FTP. The hourly email to our local net admins allows the infected PCs to be located quickly; the logs contain the details (type of attack, etc). The new script is designed for quick adaptation to other sites, and can be used on any TCP port (the default is 80). The new script is called portlog. You can find it here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#inet For the Kermit scripting fan, this script illustrates some useful features and techniques, many of which are new C-Kermit 8.0: . Accepting incoming TCP connections on an arbitrary port . Functions to convert between IP host names and addresses . Associative arrays (accumulate hit totals for each originating host) . Pattern matching (match address to local-domain pattern) . Control-C trapping . Use of the built-in FTP client . Reading and writing local files . Sorting a pair arrays . Automatically taking some actions every hour - Frank