From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 20:03:49 EDT 2002 Article: 13762 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ANNOUNCE: Embeddable Kermit File-Transfer Protocol Date: 6 Oct 2002 20:01:22 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1033948883 6979 128.59.39.139 (7 Oct 2002 00:01:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2002 00:01:23 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13762 In response to increasingly frequent requests, I'm happy to announce the availability of an embeddable Kermit protocol. This is a tiny but modern implementation of Kermit protocol (send and receive only; no server) written in ANSI C suitable for embedding and realtime applications as well as for creation of DLLs. It is the real thing, written at the Kermit Project at Columbia University, the original developers of the Kermit protocol. More about Embedded Kermit (EK) here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ek.html This is not free software and it is not online for public viewing. As you may know, the Kermit Project is funded entirely by revenue it generates. The purpose of EK is to generate badly needed revenue during the economic slump, and to furnish people who need a compact and embeddable version of Kermit protocol with -- at last -- an implementation "from the source" that works with other correct Kermit implementations such as C-Kermit, G-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and Kermit 95, and that is fully supported by the developers. If you're interested in looking at it, please send an inquiry by email to: kermit@columbia.edu Thanks. Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University New York NY USA http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From not-a-real-address@usa.net Mon Oct 7 09:43:47 EDT 2002 Article: 13763 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: those who know me have no need of my name Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: YModem Date: 07 Oct 2002 07:35:41 GMT Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: <6dfb5332.0210051812.463a13dc@posting.google.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Informed Management (RC1), i686-redhat-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13763 in comp.protocols.kermit.misc i read: >In article <6dfb5332.0210051812.463a13dc@posting.google.com>, >Jim wrote: >: Kermit and three other commercial products can't all be wrong. What >: am I missing here? Is there a newer YModem spec that I just can't >: find? Are the rules for YModem over TCP different somehow than YModem >: over serial/modem? >Any communication over a Telnet connection has to observe Telnet protocol >rules. i.e., 0xff is special, it's the iac escape character, to get a 0xff presented to the application you need to send two. see rfc 854. the important distinction is that you are running ymodem over telnet not tcp. -- bringing you boring signatures for 17 years From jfathman@aol.com Mon Oct 7 09:43:53 EDT 2002 Article: 13764 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jfathman@aol.com (Jim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: YModem Date: 7 Oct 2002 06:00:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6dfb5332.0210070500.7372e485@posting.google.com> References: <6dfb5332.0210051812.463a13dc@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.103.194.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033995647 12612 127.0.0.1 (7 Oct 2002 13:00:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2002 13:00:47 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13764 fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:... > In article <6dfb5332.0210051812.463a13dc@posting.google.com>, > Jim wrote: > : ... > : Kermit and three other commercial products can't all be wrong. What > : am I missing here? Is there a newer YModem spec that I just can't > : find? Are the rules for YModem over TCP different somehow than YModem > : over serial/modem? > : > Any communication over a Telnet connection has to observe Telnet protocol > rules. > > - Frank Frank, Thanks for your reply. I'll look in that direction. Can you tell me which Telnet protocol rule applies? I was thinking of this in terms of a stream connection -- data in, data out. But your comment suggests that I have more work to do to filter the incoming data stream on the YModem receive side, to undo any bytes added by Telnet. Is that the size of it? Jim From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Oct 7 09:58:45 EDT 2002 Article: 13765 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Embedded Kermit File-Transfer Protocol Date: 7 Oct 2002 09:53:27 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1033998808 28745 128.59.39.139 (7 Oct 2002 13:53:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2002 13:53:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.arch.embedded:138463 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13765 In article , Robert Reimiller wrote: : On 6 Oct 2002 19:58:41 -0400, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : >In response to increasingly frequent requests, I'm happy to announce the : >availability of an embeddable Kermit protocol. ... : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ek.html : : That takes me back in time, do people still use Kermit? : They sure do; take a look at the Kermit Project website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Particularly the "common misconceptions": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kermit.html#Misconceptions Of all the point-to-point file transfer protocols, it's the most robust, the most adaptable, and the most in demand for embedding. It is used in all sorts of devices: factory-floor equipment, postal sorters, cell towers, medical equipment, POS devices, bar-code scanners, and so forth; either for getting data in and out (cash register receipts), maintenance (collecting logs or dumps), updates (loading new firmware), etc etc. - Frank From bob@certsoft.com Mon Oct 7 14:01:39 EDT 2002 Article: 13766 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!feed.centurytel.net!not-for-mail From: Robert Reimiller Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Embedded Kermit File-Transfer Protocol Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:49:52 +0000 Organization: Certified Software Corp. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pppoe64-91-124-145.vcr.centurytel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: feed.centurytel.net 1034009392 6180 64.91.124.145 (7 Oct 2002 16:49:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@centurytel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:49:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.arch.embedded:138484 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13766 On 7 Oct 2002 09:53:27 -0400, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >: That takes me back in time, do people still use Kermit? >: >They sure do; take a look at the Kermit Project website: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > Used Kermit a lot in the early 90's on Quanterra seismic data logger systems. They often used just a dial-up line and a Telebit modem that had "kermit spoofing" to speed up transfers. You would first use a text interface to select the data you wanted, which would be written to a file, and then use Kermit to download it. As the decade progressed we added SLIP connections along with telnet and ftp for doing these types of things. Over time more and more systems used ethernet interfaces almost exclusively. The latest equipment uses a web server where you fill in the boxes with the data and time ranges desired and it returns back a file as the response. I suppose there are still a lot of these systems in the field where Kermit is still used, but I mostly work on the new product development so I don't know. Bob From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Oct 7 14:08:02 EDT 2002 Article: 13767 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Embedded Kermit File-Transfer Protocol Date: 7 Oct 2002 14:07:37 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1034014058 9097 128.59.39.139 (7 Oct 2002 18:07:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2002 18:07:39 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.arch.embedded:138485 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13767 In article , Robert Reimiller wrote: : On 7 Oct 2002 09:53:27 -0400, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : >: That takes me back in time, do people still use Kermit? : > : >They sure do; take a look at the Kermit Project website: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : > : Used Kermit a lot in the early 90's on Quanterra seismic data logger : systems. They often used just a dial-up line and a Telebit modem that : had "kermit spoofing" to speed up transfers... : Nothing like that is necessary with a decent Kermit protocol implementation. That's another common misconception: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kermit.html#notslow : You would first use a text : interface to select the data you wanted, which would be written to a : file, and then use Kermit to download it. : : As the decade progressed we added SLIP connections along with telnet and : ftp for doing these types of things. Over time more and more systems : used ethernet interfaces almost exclusively. The latest equipment uses a : web server where you fill in the boxes with the data and time ranges : desired and it returns back a file as the response. : That's great for devices that can include a TCP/IP stack and a suite of applications and servers, but that's not usually the case for fast-food cash registers, cardiac pacemakers, drill presses, etc. Nor would you necessarily want it to be -- I wouldn't want Internet hackers taking over my cash register, my pacemaker, or my drill press. - Frank From dold@25.usenet.us.com Mon Oct 7 15:25:49 EDT 2002 Article: 13768 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!cox.net!news.lightlink.com!wasp.rahul.net!blue.rahul.net!not-for-mail From: dold@25.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Embedded Kermit File-Transfer Protocol Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Organization: a2i network Lines: 26 Sender: Clarence Dold Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1034017722 11676 192.160.13.69 (7 Oct 2002 19:08:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:08:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject User-Agent: tin/1.4.6-20020816 ("Aerials") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.9-34 (i686)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.arch.embedded:138498 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13768 In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Robert Reimiller wrote: > On 7 Oct 2002 09:53:27 -0400, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >>: That takes me back in time, do people still use Kermit? >>: >>They sure do; take a look at the Kermit Project website: >> >> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ >> > Used Kermit a lot in the early 90's on Quanterra seismic data logger > systems. They often used just a dial-up line and a Telebit modem that > had "kermit spoofing" to speed up transfers. You would first use a text > interface to select the data you wanted, which would be written to a > file, and then use Kermit to download it. I was a sysadmin on a beta test of the Telebit TrailBlazer modem. I started complaining about the Kermit spoofing almost immediately. It was slower than using Kermit sliding windows that were already available. But that wasn't what we were beta testing, and our input on that topic wasn't welcome. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA. From tom.horsley@att.net Mon Oct 7 17:22:54 EDT 2002 Article: 13769 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: tom@SPIKE Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Embedded Kermit File-Transfer Protocol References: From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 457046a7104a68697d93820acce173a9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1034025635 457046a7104a68697d93820acce173a9 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:20:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:20:35 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:20:36 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.arch.embedded:138509 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13769 >: That takes me back in time, do people still use Kermit? With the latest kermit having ssh support, I find kermit transfers far and away the most convenient way to get files over a "multi hop" ssh connection (which is very common with data centers often having firewalls you can ssh into only so you can ssh from there to another machine). -- >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | Free Software and Politics <<==+ From jfathman@aol.com Tue Oct 8 09:43:48 EDT 2002 Article: 13770 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jfathman@aol.com (Jim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: YModem Date: 7 Oct 2002 15:53:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6dfb5332.0210071453.495b2fbc@posting.google.com> References: <6dfb5332.0210051812.463a13dc@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.103.194.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034031202 14854 127.0.0.1 (7 Oct 2002 22:53:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2002 22:53:22 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13770 Frank, Your Telnet tip got me going. Here is some follow-up for the benefit of future readers. RFC 854 (Telnet Command Structure) spells out very clearly that Telnet will 'double' the IAC (255 = 0xFF) byte when it is sent as data. This is what I was seeing as the extra 0xFF between the YModem packet header and the start of the data section. There are a couple of solutions. One (see RFC 856, Telnet Binary Transmission) is to recognize IAC DO BINARY commands and respond with IAC WILL BINARY, and to recognize IAC WILL BINARY commands and respond with IAC DO BINARY. I tried this with a couple of commercial telnet versions, and it worked. But a couple of other commercial telnet versions did not send the IAC DO BINARY or IAC WILL BINARY commands, so it is not a universal solution. The second solution, which seems to work universally, is to ignore the IAC DO BINARY and IAC WILL BINARY commands. The Telnet connection will then remain in 'not binary' mode with data 0xFFs repeated in the data stream. The trick then is to detect a sequence of two 0xFFs, and discard one of them. Works like a champ. Thanks again for the Telnet tip. It pointed me in the right direction. Jim From flo@uk.thalesgroup.com Tue Oct 8 12:28:09 EDT 2002 Article: 13771 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!news!not-for-mail From: Paul Williams Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Embedded Kermit File-Transfer Protocol Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:19:06 +0100 Organization: speaking for myself Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3DA3057A.97E676F2@uk.thalesgroup.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sswc019.int.rdel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: rdel.co.uk 1034093946 7723 172.21.150.60 (8 Oct 2002 16:19:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@uk.thalesgroup.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 2002 16:19:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.arch.embedded:138574 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13771 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > That's great for devices that can include a TCP/IP stack and a > suite of applications and servers, but that's not usually the case > for fast-food cash registers, cardiac pacemakers, drill presses, > etc. Nor would you necessarily want it to be -- I wouldn't want > Internet hackers taking over my cash register, my pacemaker, or my > drill press. Of course, anyone concerned with dispelling misconceptions would probably not want to equate TCP/IP connectivity with being on the Internet. - Paul From not-a-real-address@usa.net Wed Oct 9 09:03:20 EDT 2002 Article: 13772 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!News.Math.NCTU.edu.tw!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: those who know me have no need of my name Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: YModem Date: 09 Oct 2002 03:44:20 GMT Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: <6dfb5332.0210051812.463a13dc@posting.google.com> <6dfb5332.0210071453.495b2fbc@posting.google.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Informed Management (RC1), i686-redhat-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13772 in comp.protocols.kermit.misc i read: >RFC 854 (Telnet Command Structure) spells out very clearly that Telnet >will 'double' the IAC (255 = 0xFF) byte when it is sent as data. telnet the application will do such `doubling', but that's because telnet the protocol has a special meaning for 0xff and telnet the application is implementing the protocol. you need to do the same. if you can afford the code space to use binary mode you should do so, as it does eliminate some headaches (the need to cope with nvt goes away). i.e., implement at least the minimal protocol and if possible binary. -- bringing you boring signatures for 17 years From era@eracc.hypermart.net Wed Oct 9 12:52:45 EDT 2002 Article: 13773 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ps01-chi1!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <1117292.rkQq0lBPeG@era1.eracc.UUCP> From: ERA Subject: Re: How do I upload a file ? With telnet? Newsgroups: alt.os.linux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Followup-To: alt.os.linux References: Lines: 59 Organization: ERA Computer Consulting User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Is-It-News: Yes X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:46:00 EDT Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:50:21 -0500 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu alt.os.linux:252646 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13773 FlySwatter, ls986@hotNOSPAMmail.com wrote: > So I can telnet in. Now I have to upload a file. > > How do I do that? Make sure Columbia University's C-Kermit product is on both ends. Open c-kermit (kermit), telnet from within c-kermit to your destination, cd to the directory where you want to "get" or "send" files, start c-kermit on the remote end and use the commands "get somefile" or "send somefile" to transfer. To learn more about kermit see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ or look at &| post in newsgroup: comp.protocols.kermit.misc I've x-posted this reply to that NG with followup to alt.os.linux. Others will say to not use telnet. IIRC, there is also a secure version of C-Kermit available from the site that can use encryption, etc. Frank? Are you reading this? You may already have c-kermit on your Linux box. Try typing "kermit" at a CLI (don't type the quotation marks). Since you are a Newbie get my NewB Help File: ---------------------------- Begin Quote ---------------------------- Send an e-mail USING YOUR REAL E-MAIL ADDRESS to: newbfile@eracc.hypermart.net To get a copy of our ERACC NewB Help File. 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Date: 9 Oct 2002 12:56:48 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1117292.rkQq0lBPeG@era1.eracc.UUCP> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1034182610 20437 128.59.39.139 (9 Oct 2002 16:56:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 2002 16:56:50 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu alt.os.linux:252647 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13774 In article <1117292.rkQq0lBPeG@era1.eracc.UUCP>, : ... : Others will say to not use telnet. IIRC, there is also a secure : version of C-Kermit available from the site that can use encryption, : etc. Frank? Are you reading this? : : You may already have c-kermit on your Linux box. Try typing "kermit" : at a CLI (don't type the quotation marks). : The current version of C-Kermit is 8.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html It can be built (from source code) to include any combination of Kerberos 4, Kerberos 5, SSL/TLS, or SRP security. It can also make SSH connections through the external SSH client. Contrary to popular belief, secure Telnet does exist and servers are available: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Oct 11 17:40:19 EDT 2002 Article: 13776 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0.206 Beta.01 Date: 11 Oct 2002 17:29:32 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1034371774 11493 128.59.39.139 (11 Oct 2002 21:29:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 2002 21:29:34 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13776 In the grand and hallowed tradition of announcing things on Friday evening, it is my pleasure to announce C-Kermit 8.0.206 Beta.01, the first Beta test of C-Kermit 8.0.206. To read the change list and get the new files, visit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckc206.html This is a relatively minor C-Kermit update, timed to coincide with the Kermit 95 2.1 release, with which it shares a large amount of code. The changes consist primiarily of bug fixes and FTP client improvements. Lack of time prevents me from going through my usual routine of building and testing on hundreds of platforms, including assorted museum artifacts, but I did build it (or had it built) on the following, which is a pretty fair cross section: cku206b01.aix43g-4.3.3 IBM AIX 4.3.3 on PowerPC cku206b01.freebsd3-i386-3.1 FreeBSD 3.1 on PC cku206b01.freebsd46-i386-4.6 FreeBSD 4.6 on PC cku206b01.hpux1000o-s700-10.20 HP-UX 10.20 on HP-9000/715 cku206b01.linux-i386-rh7.1 Red Hat Linux 7.1 on PC cku206b01.netbsd15-mvme68k-1.5.2 NetBSD 1.5.2 on Motorola MVME 68k cku206b01.sinix542-mips-5.42 Siemens Nixdorf SINIX 5.42 on MIPS cku206b01.sunos41c-4.1.3 SunOS 4.1.3 on Sparc cku206b01.solaris25-sparc-2.5.1 Sun Solaris 2.5.1 on Sparc cku206b01.solaris26-usparc2i Sun Solaris 2.6 on UltraSparc2i cku206b01.solaris8-usparc2i Sun Solaris 8 on UltraSparc2i cku206b01.solaris9-sparc Sun Solaris 9 on Sparc cku206b01.sv68r3v6 System V/68 R3v6 on Motorola MVME 68k cku206b01.sv88r40-197-4.3 System V/88 R4v4.3 on Motorola MVME 88k cku206b01.sv88r40-197-4.4 System V/88 R4v4.4 on Motorola MVME 88k cku206b01.uw7-7.1.3 SCO Unixware 7.1.3 on PC ckv206b01-vax-vms55-nonet.exe VMS 5.5 on VAX (no TCP/IP) ckv206b01-vax-vms55-ucx21.exe VMS 5.5 on VAX (UCX 2.1) ckv206b01-axp-vms71-nonet.exe VMS 7.1 on Alpha (no TCP/IP) ckv206b01-axp-vms71-ucx41.exe VMS 7.1 on Alpha (UCX 4.1) This should be a quick Beta; we don't envision (i.e. have time to) add anything else. Please try building and testing on your own platforms and let me know the results. Thanks! - Frank From hvanclee@nyx.net Tue Oct 15 08:59:43 EDT 2002 Article: 13777 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0.206 Beta.01 References: Organization: Nyx, Spirit of the Night X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Originator: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Message-ID: <1034639079.673889@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!unknown@nyx3.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 Date: 14 Oct 2002 17:43:50 -0600 X-Trace: omega.dimensional.com 1034639030 206.124.29.6 (14 Oct 2002 17:43:50 -0600) Lines: 23 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!feeder.via.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!omega.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13777 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: > >In the grand and hallowed tradition of announcing things on Friday >evening, it is my pleasure to announce C-Kermit 8.0.206 Beta.01, the >first Beta test of C-Kermit 8.0.206. To read the change list and get >the new files, visit: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckc206.html > (snip) >This should be a quick Beta; we don't envision (i.e. have time to) add >anything else. Please try building and testing on your own platforms and >let me know the results. Thanks! > Just a quick note that I built this version using solaris8g+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow It clean compiles (the bug in ckuath.c is gone), and I'm using it now. Configuration: Ultra 10 440 gcc 3.2, Openssl 0.9.6g, zlib 1.1.4. Hank From era@eracc.hypermart.net Tue Oct 15 13:30:07 EDT 2002 Article: 13778 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!rip!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!news.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <2719663.PLrj5Ze9za@era1.eracc.UUCP> From: ERA Subject: Re: telneting through a cronjob Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Followup-To: comp.os.linux.setup References: Lines: 30 Organization: ERA Computer Consulting User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Is-It-News: Yes X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:23:22 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:27:48 -0500 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.setup:452276 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13778 Thomas Fyhn, thomasfy@ifi.uio.no wrote: > I am trying to set up a cronjob that involves telneting onto a > server. First I do the following command: telnet 123.123.123.123 > Then I get promted in the console: > user: > password: > Does anyone know how i get a cronjob (or something like that) to > enter text right to the console? I guess that is what i need to do? This can be done with c-kermit scripting. If you install a secure telnet server on the "other" end you can even have secure telnet sessions. If you (aren't going to | don't need to) worry about securing the session then just use vanilla c-kermit. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ I *strongly* recommend buying the book for sale at the site above. The cost of the book is well worth the time saved trying to figure out the script commands without it. Gene SCO Group Authorized Partner - OpenServer, UnixWare & SCO Linux -- Linux era1.eracc.UUCP 2.4.13 i686 12:20pm up 19 days, 19:12, 4 users, load average: 0.21, 0.17, 0.27 ERA Computer Consulting http://eracc.hypermart.net/ eCS, OS/2, Linux, OpenServer, UnixWare, SCO Linux resellers From hvanclee@nyx.net Wed Oct 16 17:27:04 EDT 2002 Article: 13779 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems transferring over ppp connection Organization: Nyx, Spirit of the Night X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Originator: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Message-ID: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!unknown@nyx3.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 Date: 16 Oct 2002 14:53:15 -0600 X-Trace: omega.dimensional.com 1034801595 206.124.29.6 (16 Oct 2002 14:53:15 -0600) Lines: 43 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!nntp1.tagonline.com!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!omega.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13779 I have an account where I can connect either to a shell login or through ppp and TCP/IP. I have no problem uploading and downloading files through the regular shell kermit protocol. But when I try to upload or download over a telnet or ssh (have tried both) connection, the transmission starts ok, then blocks and gets tied in knots---it will finally complete, but only after wall-to-wall errors, and at a very slow rate. The TCP/IP connection uses STREAMING, and I suspect that my problem lies in the fact that it's much faster than my modem setup can handle. What's the proper way to deal with this. Configuration: Sun Ultra 10 Solaris 8 10/01 local Sun Ultra 2 Solaris 8 10/01 remote cku201 at both ends (actually, the same build tree) compiled solaris8g+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow: using gcc 2.95.3, zlib 1.1.4 (both ends). Local modem is a sportster V90, locked down to 38.4 max, as the telephone line will only connect at 26400---modem-local speed is 115200. Remote is a Portmaster3/Radius setup. Note that this version of Solaris comes with the later PPP (similar to Linux), not the old asppp. ppp options are: 115200 # default baud rate for this port crtscts default-asyncmap # work around broken peers noauth # do not authenticate the ISP's identity (client) noipdefault # assume no IP address; get it from ISP defaultroute # install default route; ISP is Internet gateway updetach # log errors and CONNECT string to invoker What should I be doing to make this work properly? Yes, I bought the book, and have looked at the ckermit70.txt and ckermit80.txt, but can't really find a clue in them. Hank From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Oct 16 17:34:34 EDT 2002 Article: 13780 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection Date: 16 Oct 2002 17:34:26 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1034804068 10799 128.59.39.139 (16 Oct 2002 21:34:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2002 21:34:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13780 In article <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net>, Henry van Cleef wrote: : I have an account where I can connect either to a shell login or : through ppp and TCP/IP. : : I have no problem uploading and downloading files through the regular : shell kermit protocol. But when I try to upload or download over a : telnet or ssh (have tried both) connection, the transmission starts : ok, then blocks and gets tied in knots---it will finally complete, but : only after wall-to-wall errors, and at a very slow rate. : : The TCP/IP connection uses STREAMING, and I suspect that my problem : lies in the fact that it's much faster than my modem setup can handle. : What's the proper way to deal with this. : The culprit is most likely a lack of effective flow control. : Local modem is a sportster V90, locked down to 38.4 max, as the : telephone line will only connect at 26400---modem-local speed is : 115200. : : Remote is a Portmaster3/Radius setup. : Note that this version of Solaris comes with the later PPP (similar to : Linux), not the old asppp. : ppp options are: : 115200 # default baud rate for this port : crtscts : Presumably "crtscts" sets hardware flow in the PPP driver. But how do we know it is also being set in the modem? When Kermit does the dialing, it proactively sets the modem for hardware flow control (unless you told it not to). When PPP does the dialing, who knows. Maybe the modem's powerup or reset state does not include RTS/CTS. Can you watch the "chat script" between the PPP driver and your modem? Compare it with Kermit dialing with "set dial display on". Do you call the same number for shell login and PPP login? If not, maybe there is also a problem on remote end between the answering modem and the terminal server. If it IS the same number, the problem is almost certainly between the PPP driver, the serial-port driver, and the calling modem. - Frank From hvanclee@nyx.net Thu Oct 17 09:58:48 EDT 2002 Article: 13781 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> Organization: Nyx, Spirit of the Night X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Originator: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Message-ID: <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!unknown@nyx3.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 Date: 16 Oct 2002 18:50:02 -0600 X-Trace: omega.dimensional.com 1034815802 206.124.29.6 (16 Oct 2002 18:50:02 -0600) Lines: 43 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!omega.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13781 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net>, >Henry van Cleef wrote: >: >: The TCP/IP connection uses STREAMING, and I suspect that my problem >: lies in the fact that it's much faster than my modem setup can handle. >: What's the proper way to deal with this. >: >The culprit is most likely a lack of effective flow control. > Thanks for the quick response, giving me an idea where to look. >: crtscts >: >Presumably "crtscts" sets hardware flow in the PPP driver. But how do we >know it is also being set in the modem? When Kermit does the dialing, it >proactively sets the modem for hardware flow control (unless you told it >not to). When PPP does the dialing, who knows. Maybe the modem's powerup >or reset state does not include RTS/CTS. Can you watch the "chat script" >between the PPP driver and your modem? Compare it with Kermit dialing >with "set dial display on". > Interesting. I stole the Kermit initialization string for the ppp dialer, but will have to double-check that I got the whole thing. I have the specific manual for the modem that gives all the control register information, so will double check against that as well. Also have a light box on the modem serial line, so can see if the signals are being toggled properly. >Do you call the same number for shell login and PPP login? If not, maybe >there is also a problem on remote end between the answering modem and the >terminal server. If it IS the same number, the problem is almost certainly >between the PPP driver, the serial-port driver, and the calling modem. > Yes, it is the same Portmaster and modem bank. I'm not sure that I trust the ppp setup at that end, but I have the docs for that end and can look at the configuration files on the Radius server (I'm an admin on the target system, so essentially "own both ends." Hank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 17 09:59:23 EDT 2002 Article: 13782 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection Date: 17 Oct 2002 01:28:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1034818133 29073 128.59.39.2 (17 Oct 2002 01:28:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2002 01:28:53 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13782 In article <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net>, Henry van Cleef wrote: : In article , : Frank da Cruz wrote: : >In article <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net>, : >Henry van Cleef wrote: : >: : >: The TCP/IP connection uses STREAMING, and I suspect that my problem : >: lies in the fact that it's much faster than my modem setup can handle. : >: What's the proper way to deal with this. : >: : >The culprit is most likely a lack of effective flow control. : > : Thanks for the quick response, giving me an idea where to look. I should point out that if the connection was truly using STREAMING transfers then if even a single error was to occur, the transfer would fail. Therefore, I must assume tht STREAMING transfers are not being used. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From hvanclee@nyx.net Thu Oct 17 10:04:59 EDT 2002 Article: 13783 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net> Organization: Nyx, Spirit of the Night X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Originator: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Message-ID: <1034844239.214811@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!unknown@nyx3.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 Date: 17 Oct 2002 02:43:06 -0600 X-Trace: omega.dimensional.com 1034844186 206.124.29.6 (17 Oct 2002 02:43:06 -0600) Lines: 47 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!ord-feed.news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cc.ukans.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!omega.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13783 In article , Jeffrey Altman wrote: >In article <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net>, >Henry van Cleef wrote: >: In article , >: Frank da Cruz wrote: >: >In article <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net>, >: >Henry van Cleef wrote: >: >: >: >: The TCP/IP connection uses STREAMING, and I suspect that my problem >: >: lies in the fact that it's much faster than my modem setup can handle. >: >: What's the proper way to deal with this. >: >: >: >The culprit is most likely a lack of effective flow control. >: > >: Thanks for the quick response, giving me an idea where to look. > >I should point out that if the connection was truly using STREAMING >transfers then if even a single error was to occur, the transfer >would fail. Therefore, I must assume tht STREAMING transfers are >not being used. > Jeffrey, you are absolutely correct on this. I was thinking of what happens when I transfer between local machines on a network. I verified that RTS and CTS are being explicitly set in the modem init string. Also played around with some of the pppd options. What seems to have had an effect is disabling software compression, and it's obvious that wasn't buying me anything. Netscape 4.76 has no trouble downloading on the same connection. Locking everything to 18.2 KB had no effect with compression enabled, and trying to run with xon/xoff only made matters worse. I'm still not completely satisfied that I've pinned things down completely, or that there aren't problems with the remote end. Also, the Sun version of ppp that is in the 10/01 distribution wasn't really documented, and has a distinctly beta flavor to it. I might try the iPlanet version, which is on the installation disks. I also think that the public domain version on samba (2.4.1) will compile for Solaris and might be worth investigating. However, I think that the ppp newsgroup is the place to pursue such questions. My real question here was whether the flow control was supposed to be in the kermit running over ppp or in the pppd's, and I think you're saying that the pppd's are the place to look. The same kermit objects run fine over a telephone link and over a 100baseT link through a hub between machines, using ssh. Hank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 17 10:05:09 EDT 2002 Article: 13784 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection Date: 17 Oct 2002 11:18:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net> <1034844239.214811@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1034853496 3103 128.59.39.2 (17 Oct 2002 11:18:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2002 11:18:16 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13784 In article <1034844239.214811@irys.nyx.net>, Henry van Cleef wrote: : I verified that RTS and CTS are being explicitly set in the modem init : string. Also played around with some of the pppd options. What : seems to have had an effect is disabling software compression, and : it's obvious that wasn't buying me anything. Netscape 4.76 has no : trouble downloading on the same connection. Locking everything to : 18.2 KB had no effect with compression enabled, and trying to run with : xon/xoff only made matters worse. I'm still not completely satisfied : that I've pinned things down completely, or that there aren't problems : with the remote end. Also, the Sun version of ppp that is in the : 10/01 distribution wasn't really documented, and has a distinctly beta : flavor to it. I might try the iPlanet version, which is on the : installation disks. I also think that the public domain version on : samba (2.4.1) will compile for Solaris and might be worth : investigating. However, I think that the ppp newsgroup is the place : to pursue such questions. My real question here was whether the flow : control was supposed to be in the kermit running over ppp or in the : pppd's, and I think you're saying that the pppd's are the place to : look. The same kermit objects run fine over a telephone link and over : a 100baseT link through a hub between machines, using ssh. : : Hank The flow control between the modems and the serial ports must be configured properly by the application used to perform the dialing and the answering of the telephone call. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Oct 17 10:05:12 EDT 2002 Article: 13785 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection Date: 17 Oct 2002 10:03:26 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1034863407 9038 128.59.39.139 (17 Oct 2002 14:03:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2002 14:03:27 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13785 In article , Jeffrey Altman wrote: : ... : I should point out that if the connection was truly using STREAMING : transfers then if even a single error was to occur, the transfer : would fail. Therefore, I must assume tht STREAMING transfers are : not being used. : And similarly, that transparency isn't a suspect either. If certain byte values were being absorbed by PPP, a modem, or the terminal server, error recovery would not work. Thus flow control seems the only likely culprit. If Kermit transfers work on exactly the same physical connection when directly dialed, but fail over PPP, it has to be a difference between the modem and/or port configurations on one end or the other (or both), or else the fault of PPP. - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 17 10:26:09 EDT 2002 Article: 13786 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection Date: 17 Oct 2002 14:16:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1034864174 9651 128.59.39.2 (17 Oct 2002 14:16:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2002 14:16:14 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13786 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article , : Jeffrey Altman wrote: : : ... : : I should point out that if the connection was truly using STREAMING : : transfers then if even a single error was to occur, the transfer : : would fail. Therefore, I must assume tht STREAMING transfers are : : not being used. : : : And similarly, that transparency isn't a suspect either. If certain : byte values were being absorbed by PPP, a modem, or the terminal : server, error recovery would not work. Thus flow control seems the : only likely culprit. PPP provides a link layer equivalent to Ethernet for the implementation of Internet Protocol, NETBEUI, IPX, etc. As far as applications are concerned it is invisible. : If Kermit transfers work on exactly the same physical connection : when directly dialed, but fail over PPP, it has to be a difference : between the modem and/or port configurations on one end or the other : (or both), or else the fault of PPP. It is not a fault of PPP. The configurations of the serial port to modem communications on both sides of the PPP connection are the place to look. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From dold@10.usenet.us.com Thu Oct 17 14:51:32 EDT 2002 Article: 13787 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.litech.org!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!gail.ripco.com!wasp.rahul.net!blue.rahul.net!not-for-mail From: dold@10.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Sender: Clarence Dold Message-ID: References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net> <1034844239.214811@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1034877631 9980 192.160.13.69 (17 Oct 2002 18:00:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:00:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject User-Agent: tin/1.4.6-20020816 ("Aerials") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.9-34 (i686)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13787 Henry van Cleef wrote: > I verified that RTS and CTS are being explicitly set in the modem init > string. Also played around with some of the pppd options. What > seems to have had an effect is disabling software compression, and > it's obvious that wasn't buying me anything. Netscape 4.76 has no I had difficulty with an older UnixWare machine that couldn't quite handle RTS/CTS properly with modem conpression turned on. I suspect that the CPU was a little slow in lowering its side of the handshake, and that there wasn't enough buffer. This was with internal Sportster V.90 modems. Speed was locked at 38400 on both ends. One end would typically connect at 21600, and the other end at 33600. I was never able to transfer largish files over PPP in one direction, toward the Unix box. The other direction was okay. This was using Kermit-95 to ckermit 6.190, I think. I found that reducing the packet size in the "bad" direction to less than 256 was very helpful, and I suspect that there was a modem buffer of 256 bytes. From hvanclee@nyx.net Fri Oct 18 09:06:56 EDT 2002 Article: 13788 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034844239.214811@irys.nyx.net> Organization: Nyx, Spirit of the Night X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Originator: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Message-ID: <1034909930.793290@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!unknown@nyx3.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 Date: 17 Oct 2002 20:57:57 -0600 X-Trace: omega.dimensional.com 1034909877 206.124.29.6 (17 Oct 2002 20:57:57 -0600) Lines: 29 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!omega.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13788 In article , wrote: >Henry van Cleef wrote: >> I verified that RTS and CTS are being explicitly set in the modem init >> string. Also played around with some of the pppd options. What >> seems to have had an effect is disabling software compression, and >> it's obvious that wasn't buying me anything. Netscape 4.76 has no > > >I was never able to transfer largish files over PPP in one direction, >toward the Unix box. The other direction was okay. This was using Kermit-95 >to ckermit 6.190, I think. I found that reducing the packet size in the >"bad" direction to less than 256 was very helpful, and I suspect that >there was a modem buffer of 256 bytes. > I have a hunch that buffer size may be an issue here. Since resetting options to disable software compression, Netscape transfers run for over an hour without ever stalling. I have verified that &H1 and &R2 are explicitly being set on dialup to put the local modem into RTS/CTS handshaking, and that removing them makes a big (negative) difference. What does Netscape use as a transfer protocol? It appears from the modem lights to be about 1K blocks, with verifies after each. This is on the same ppp connection that I am using for kermit. It runs slick as a whistle with Netscape--or is ssh overhead getting in the way. Hank From not-a-real-address@usa.net Sat Oct 19 15:00:45 EDT 2002 Article: 13789 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: those who know me have no need of my name Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection Date: 19 Oct 2002 18:33:05 GMT Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034844239.214811@irys.nyx.net> <1034909930.793290@irys.nyx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Informed Management (RC1), i686-redhat-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 35 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13789 in comp.protocols.kermit.misc i read: >I have a hunch that buffer size may be an issue here. Since resetting >options to disable software compression, Netscape transfers run for over >an hour without ever stalling. there should be little or no difference between a netscape download and a kermit download, both are using tcp. >I have verified that &H1 and &R2 are explicitly being set on both sides? >What does Netscape use as a transfer protocol? http. >It appears from the >modem lights to be about 1K blocks, with verifies after each. probably you are receiving ip datagrams on the order of 1500 bytes each, the most likely pmtu. >This is on the same ppp connection that I am using for kermit. It runs >slick as a whistle with Netscape--or is ssh overhead getting in the way. netscape is displaying on your local x server via an ssh connection (i.e., you ssh to some host then run netscape on that, remote, host), yes? that connection isn't part of the `download', just the screen updates, the download itself is to the remote system (on which you ran netscape). if you are running netscape locally then it is involved in the download and screen updates, but ssh shouldn't be involved in any way. -- bringing you boring signatures for 17 years From hvanclee@nyx.net Sun Oct 20 12:55:17 EDT 2002 Article: 13790 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034909930.793290@irys.nyx.net> Organization: Nyx, Spirit of the Night X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Originator: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Message-ID: <1035092921.407864@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!unknown@nyx3.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 Date: 19 Oct 2002 23:47:44 -0600 X-Trace: omega.dimensional.com 1035092864 206.124.29.6 (19 Oct 2002 23:47:44 -0600) Lines: 45 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!omega.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13790 In article , those who know me have no need of my name wrote: >in comp.protocols.kermit.misc i read: > >>I have a hunch that buffer size may be an issue here. Since resetting >>options to disable software compression, Netscape transfers run for over >>an hour without ever stalling. > >there should be little or no difference between a netscape download and a >kermit download, both are using tcp. > Just what I am expressing here. >>I have verified that &H1 and &R2 are explicitly being set > >on both sides? > If not being set on the remote side, why would Netscape work OK with crtscts set in pppd? > >>This is on the same ppp connection that I am using for kermit. It runs >>slick as a whistle with Netscape--or is ssh overhead getting in the way. > >netscape is displaying on your local x server via an ssh connection (i.e., >you ssh to some host then run netscape on that, remote, host), yes? that >connection isn't part of the `download', just the screen updates, the >download itself is to the remote system (on which you ran netscape). if >you are running netscape locally then it is involved in the download and >screen updates, but ssh shouldn't be involved in any way. > No. Netscape runs on my system and connects through the defaultroute set up by pppd when it connects and a local resolv.conf that points to the remote system's dns servers. Netscape and other X11 stuff are not installed on the remote system. Keep in mind that I am running Sun Solaris 8 on my local system, same as the remote system. One thing I have not tried is compiling Lynx 2.8.4 on my local system and using it in place of Netscape. Ssh is involved only when I start kermit on my system, ssh to the remote system, then start kermit on the remote system to do a transfer. >-- Hank From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Oct 20 13:10:39 EDT 2002 Article: 13791 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection Date: 20 Oct 2002 13:10:36 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034909930.793290@irys.nyx.net> <1035092921.407864@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1035133837 18893 128.59.39.139 (20 Oct 2002 17:10:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 2002 17:10:37 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13791 In article <1035092921.407864@irys.nyx.net>, Henry van Cleef wrote: (More about Kermit vs Netscape file transfers over a PPP connection.) When Kermit makes its own dialup connection, it controls the serial-port and modem settings, the i/o, flow control, and buffering. When Kermit uses a PPP connection, it has no control over these things, and in fact, has no way of knowing whether the underlying TCP/IP connection is serial, Ethernet, wireless, or what. The TCP layer presents a uniform interface to applications that shields them from the nature of the underlying connection. It is the job of the lower layers (TCP, IP, PPP, the serial port, and the modem in this case) to provide the application with the highest quality connection. Of course we realize this doesn't always happen, which is why Kermit has so many user-level adjustments: streaming vs Ack/Nak; packet length, window size, various adaptations to lack of transparency. Kermit can't see though the TCP layer to get at the datalink layer or physical devices. If they are not doing their jobs, then you have to step in and either fix them or else scale back on Kermit's performance settings. As to why Netscape transfers work and Kermit ones don't, I'm sure this could be pinned down given enough evidence, such as TCP packet traces. Once you see the characteristics of the HTTP data transfer, you could adjust Kermit to the same characteristics and it would work the same way. - Frank From hvanclee@nyx.net Mon Oct 21 11:15:27 EDT 2002 Article: 13792 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1035092921.407864@irys.nyx.net> Organization: Nyx, Spirit of the Night X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Originator: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Message-ID: <1035199157.27507@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!unknown@nyx3.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 Date: 21 Oct 2002 05:18:18 -0600 X-Trace: omega.dimensional.com 1035199098 206.124.29.6 (21 Oct 2002 05:18:18 -0600) Lines: 46 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!omega.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13792 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <1035092921.407864@irys.nyx.net>, >Henry van Cleef wrote: > > (More about Kermit vs Netscape file transfers over a PPP connection.) > (snip) >Of course we realize this doesn't always happen, which is why Kermit has >so many user-level adjustments: streaming vs Ack/Nak; packet length, >window size, various adaptations to lack of transparency. Kermit can't >see though the TCP layer to get at the datalink layer or physical devices. >If they are not doing their jobs, then you have to step in and either fix >them or else scale back on Kermit's performance settings. > >As to why Netscape transfers work and Kermit ones don't, I'm sure this >could be pinned down given enough evidence, such as TCP packet traces. >Once you see the characteristics of the HTTP data transfer, you could >adjust Kermit to the same characteristics and it would work the same way. > Thanks for the comments. I've had a chance to do enough experimenting and testing to have homed in on a few things. 1. Setting nocpp in the pppd options to prevent software compression made a huge and consistent difference. 2. Eliminating ssh from the stream by using a straight telnet, after killing compression, now makes Kermit work "just like downtown." So it turns out that the major issues were in the transport layer, not in Kermit. So far as I know, Netscape doesn't use encryption in downloading---would be essentially the same as working through telnet. And it is also becoming obvious to me that I've got some problems at the Radius end of things with ssh---it tends to lock up from time to time just trying to read Usenet. So of course it isn't going to support a file transfer through anything. At this point I'm satisfied that the problems I need to chase have nothing to do with Kermit itself. And thanks for the tutorial---it may seem like something of an exercise at your end, but just walking through the basics has suggested that I refresh my memories of packet communications in general---it's only been 20-25 years since I thought about any of this stuff. Hank From cosmocremer@tamu.edu Thu Oct 24 09:03:34 EDT 2002 Article: 13793 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!buck.internorth.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dan Cremer" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I'm new at this Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:48:43 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13793 Hello friends, I am a college student tasked with developing my very own Kermit File Transfer Protocol using Visual C++. I have no idea where to begin really. The program must have send and receive capabilities and I must demonstrate via a loopback between COM1 and COM2. If anyone knows of a good place for a novice to begin work on developing this protocol, please let me know. My plan is to use a state machine, I just can't get started and documentation on how to start from scratch is scarce. Any help would be great. Thanks, Dan Cremer From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Oct 24 09:07:07 EDT 2002 Article: 13794 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I'm new at this Date: 24 Oct 2002 09:06:56 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1035464817 26320 128.59.39.139 (24 Oct 2002 13:06:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 2002 13:06:57 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13794 In article , Dan Cremer wrote: : I am a college student tasked with developing my very own Kermit File : Transfer Protocol using Visual C++. I have no idea where to begin really. : The program must have send and receive capabilities and I must demonstrate : via a loopback between COM1 and COM2. : : If anyone knows of a good place for a novice to begin work on developing : this protocol, please let me know. : : My plan is to use a state machine, I just can't get started and : documentation on how to start from scratch is scarce. Any help would be : great. : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html#protocol - Frank From rednoise0@lycos.com Sun Oct 27 09:52:51 EST 2002 Article: 13795 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 GUI window placement From: Nil Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/05.08.12 X-Face: 6b$Bv}|2RJtTl&be/f$x!]>/3=j9]3<].!|wp;lEJ`De1TF9D9i\nK4$!Cg>2E${1S^fAa6DvAR);OivWg,;H/"_HRcJ=wA1o]gsCOF}p%,fyhq3^\?Cs Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.68.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1035668481 24.218.68.252 (Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:41:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:41:21 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:41:21 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13795 Is there any way to have the Kermit95 GUI terminal window open up in the same position each time when launching it from a Windows shortcut, rather than the dialer? The dialer has a place to indicate the position, but when using a regular shortcut, Windows seems to place it anywhere it wants, and most of the time the terminal is half-off the screen and I have to drag it back into a good position. From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Oct 27 09:52:54 EST 2002 Article: 13796 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 GUI window placement Date: 27 Oct 2002 09:52:44 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1035730365 20659 128.59.39.139 (27 Oct 2002 14:52:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2002 14:52:45 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13796 In article , Nil wrote: : Is there any way to have the Kermit95 GUI terminal window open up in : the same position each time when launching it from a Windows shortcut, : rather than the dialer? : Right-click on the shortcut, choose Properties. In the Target box, where it has the path of the executable, add the following command-line options after the pathname: --xpos:x --ypos:y replacing x and y with the desired position, expressed in pixels from the upper left corner. - Frank From rednoise0@lycos.com Sun Oct 27 12:48:53 EST 2002 Article: 13797 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 GUI window placement From: Nil References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/05.08.12 X-Face: 6b$Bv}|2RJtTl&be/f$x!]>/3=j9]3<].!|wp;lEJ`De1TF9D9i\nK4$!Cg>2E${1S^fAa6DvAR);OivWg,;H/"_HRcJ=wA1o]gsCOF}p%,fyhq3^\?Cs Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.68.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1035736743 24.218.68.252 (Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:39:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:39:03 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:39:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13797 On 27 Oct 2002, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in news:apgujs$tq$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu: > Right-click on the shortcut, choose Properties. In the Target > box, where it has the path of the executable, add the following > command-line options after the pathname: > > --xpos:x --ypos:y > > replacing x and y with the desired position, expressed in pixels > from the upper left corner. Thank you -- that did just what I wanted. From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Oct 28 09:20:03 EST 2002 Article: 13798 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 8.0.206 Release Candidate Date: 27 Oct 2002 20:00:57 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1035766859 14101 128.59.39.139 (28 Oct 2002 01:00:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2002 01:00:59 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13798 Changes since 8.0.201: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckc206.html Where to find the source code until it's released: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html About 60 binaries built and tested: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/ Please try it and let me know if there are any problems. Also please upload any binaries you can make that are not already in kermit/test/bin. Note: If you build on an old (usually System-V based) version of Unix with TCP/IP support included and it dumps core immediately on startup, rebuild with -DNOCKGETFQHOST added to CFLAGS (and let me know). Thanks! - Frank From pytcayrn@freemail.hu Mon Oct 28 09:57:20 EST 2002 Article: 13799 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: pytcayrn@freemail.hu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: redirect io to external cmd (like cu "~|cmd" and "~$cmd") Date: 28 Oct 2002 06:43:00 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <86c66124.0210280643.30d17ab6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.225.155.254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035816180 7959 127.0.0.1 (28 Oct 2002 14:43:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2002 14:43:00 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13799 Hi, In C-kermit 7.0 (HP-UX), how can I redirect binary data coming from a directly connected device on /dev/tty0p2 to an external application like "od -tx1", so that decoded hexa numbers should appear on the screen after I issue a "CONNECT" command? And how can I do the reverse: starting an external command whose output is dumped to the serial line? These functions exist in "cu" ("~|cmd" and "~$cmd") but using them in kermit would be more convenient. Thanks in advance, tamas From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Oct 28 09:57:23 EST 2002 Article: 13800 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: redirect io to external cmd (like cu "~|cmd" and "~$cmd") Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:57:17 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <86c66124.0210280643.30d17ab6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1035817038 8390 128.59.39.139 (28 Oct 2002 14:57:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2002 14:57:18 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13800 In article <86c66124.0210280643.30d17ab6@posting.google.com>, wrote: : In C-kermit 7.0 (HP-UX), how can I redirect binary data coming from a : directly connected device on /dev/tty0p2 to an external application : like "od -tx1", so that decoded hexa numbers should appear on the : screen after I issue a "CONNECT" command? : You can't make hex numbers appear on the screen but you can make them go into a session log file: set port /dev/tty0p2 set speed 57600 ; or whatever set flow rts/cts ; or whatever set session log binary log session "|od -tx1 > session.log" : And how can I do the reverse: : starting an external command whose output is dumped to the serial : line? : redirect : These functions exist in "cu" ("~|cmd" and "~$cmd") but using them in : kermit would be more convenient. - Frank From pytcayrn@freemail.hu Tue Oct 29 09:56:51 EST 2002 Article: 13801 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: pytcayrn@freemail.hu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: redirect io to external cmd (like cu "~|cmd" and "~$cmd") Date: 29 Oct 2002 01:37:33 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 49 Message-ID: <86c66124.0210290137.a992437@posting.google.com> References: <86c66124.0210280643.30d17ab6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.225.153.29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035884253 26477 127.0.0.1 (29 Oct 2002 09:37:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 2002 09:37:33 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13801 Thanks a lot, that's exactly what I was looking for. I managed to log the output to a file, and then "tail -f" the file to "od", so this solved my problem. BTW logging the output to "|od > session.log" failed for me (the "od" process didn't even show up in "ps -ef"). I guess I well escaped the space characters with an "\". I few other questions that I would be very happy to get some answer: How can I stop kermit to print the data to the screen, so that the data should only be printed to the session.log file? Does kermit have an echo-like built-in function with which I could send binary data to the serial line from kermit prompt, e.g. "echo 0xFF,0x1D,0xB3" while the connection is alive and data is dumped to session.log ? I am trying to communicate with a GPS receiver :) Thanks again, Tamas fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:... > In article <86c66124.0210280643.30d17ab6@posting.google.com>, > wrote: > : In C-kermit 7.0 (HP-UX), how can I redirect binary data coming from a > : directly connected device on /dev/tty0p2 to an external application > : like "od -tx1", so that decoded hexa numbers should appear on the > : screen after I issue a "CONNECT" command? > : > You can't make hex numbers appear on the screen but you can make them > go into a session log file: > > set port /dev/tty0p2 > set speed 57600 ; or whatever > set flow rts/cts ; or whatever > set session log binary > log session "|od -tx1 > session.log" > > : And how can I do the reverse: > : starting an external command whose output is dumped to the serial > : line? > : > redirect > > : These functions exist in "cu" ("~|cmd" and "~$cmd") but using them in > : kermit would be more convenient. > > - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Oct 29 10:05:57 EST 2002 Article: 13802 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: redirect io to external cmd (like cu "~|cmd" and "~$cmd") Date: 29 Oct 2002 10:05:46 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <86c66124.0210280643.30d17ab6@posting.google.com> <86c66124.0210290137.a992437@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1035903947 10209 128.59.39.139 (29 Oct 2002 15:05:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 2002 15:05:47 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13802 In article <86c66124.0210290137.a992437@posting.google.com>, wrote: : Thanks a lot, that's exactly what I was looking for. : : I managed to log the output to a file, and then "tail -f" the file to : "od", so this solved my problem. BTW logging the output to "|od > : session.log" failed for me (the "od" process didn't even show up in : "ps -ef"). I guess I well escaped the space characters with an "\". : It works fine here. Maybe you need C-Kermit 8.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : I few other questions that I would be very happy to get some answer: : How can I stop kermit to print the data to the screen, so that the : data should only be printed to the session.log file? : Most messages are surpressed if you start Kermit with "-q" on the command line or tell it to "set quiet". But that doesn't apply to CONNECT mode. If you don't anything to appear on the screen, then don't enter CONNECT mode. One way to do this would be: set port /dev/tty0p2 set speed 57600 ; or whatever set flow rts/cts ; or whatever set session log binary log session "|od -tx1 > session.log" input The INPUT command is described as follows (by C-Kermit 8.0 "help input"): Syntax: INPUT { number-of-seconds, time-of-day } [ text ] Example: INPUT 5 Login: or INPUT 23:59:59 RING Waits up to the given number of seconds, or until the given time of day for the given text to arrive on the connection. If no text is given, INPUT waits for any character. For use in script programs with IF FAILURE and IF SUCCESS. Also see MINPUT, REINPUT, SET INPUT. See HELP PAUSE for details on time-of-day format. The text, if given, can be a \pattern() invocation, in which case it is treated as a pattern rather than a literal string (HELP PATTERNS for details). If the timeout interval is 0, the INPUT command does not wait; i.e. the given text must already be available for reading for the INPUT command to succeed. If the interval is negative, the INPUT command waits forever. : Does kermit have an echo-like built-in function with which I could : send binary data to the serial line from kermit prompt, e.g. "echo : 0xFF,0x1D,0xB3" while the connection is alive and data is dumped to : session.log ? : The OUTPUT command ("help output" for more info). Example: output \xff\x1d\xb3 : I am trying to communicate with a GPS receiver :) : You might find some of the examples in our script library helpful: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html - Frank From robatwork@REMOVEmail.com Wed Oct 30 10:35:26 EST 2002 Article: 13803 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Odd K95 speed problem Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:28:21 +0000 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3dbff7c3.22786164@news.ision.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.194.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1035991413 32142 195.92.194.11 (30 Oct 2002 15:23:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2002 15:23:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 195.7.228.179 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13803 Scenario: Computer A, W2K, K95, connected to Computer B, W98, K95 with a 3 wire serial cable. A gets files from B and sends to B with settings com1, 57600, set flow xon, set retry 1, SET MODEM CARRIER-WATCH OFF. Works fine, 100% error free. Same setup, speed @38400, works 100%. Same setup, speed@9600, sometimes fails and sometimes works, but on larger files always gives errors during transmission. This first cropped up on 1.1.21 as far as I can see, and I've just setup 2 PCs with v2.0, with the same result. Any ideas, because this appears to defy logic! regards -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 10:57:34 EST 2002 Article: 13804 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Odd K95 speed problem Date: 30 Oct 2002 15:56:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3dbff7c3.22786164@news.ision.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1035993396 1634 128.59.39.2 (30 Oct 2002 15:56:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2002 15:56:36 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13804 This is a bug that was introduced in 1.1.21 and is fixed in 2.1.0 which will be announced sometime this week. In article <3dbff7c3.22786164@news.ision.net.uk>, Rob S wrote: : Scenario: Computer A, W2K, K95, connected to Computer B, W98, K95 with a 3 wire : serial cable. : : A gets files from B and sends to B with settings com1, 57600, set flow xon, set : retry 1, SET MODEM CARRIER-WATCH OFF. Works fine, 100% error free. : : Same setup, speed @38400, works 100%. : : Same setup, speed@9600, sometimes fails and sometimes works, but on larger files : always gives errors during transmission. : : This first cropped up on 1.1.21 as far as I can see, and I've just setup 2 PCs : with v2.0, with the same result. : : Any ideas, because this appears to defy logic! : : regards : : -Rob : robatwork at mail dot com Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From robatwork@REMOVEmail.com Wed Oct 30 11:25:09 EST 2002 Article: 13805 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Odd K95 speed problem Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:17:38 +0000 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3dc30615.26451875@news.ision.net.uk> References: <3dbff7c3.22786164@news.ision.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.194.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1035994370 2190 195.92.194.11 (30 Oct 2002 16:12:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2002 16:12:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 195.7.237.12 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13805 On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:28:21 +0000, Rob S wrote: -Scenario: Computer A, W2K, K95, connected to Computer B, W98, K95 with a 3 wire -serial cable. - To follow up my own message, a couple of further facts: Also happens with a modem connection @ 9600 but not @ 38400. Only seems to occur at the start of a file. Once past say 8 retries, it carries on fine. Consistent, so can't be put down to line problems. Other settings on Computer A: set block 3 set window 1 set receive packet-length 2000 regards -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 15:46:28 EST 2002 Article: 13806 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.qnx,de.comp.os.sinix,comp.sys.hp.hpux,comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.unixware.misc,comp.sys.m88k,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0.206 Date: 30 Oct 2002 15:44:15 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036010657 13648 128.59.39.139 (30 Oct 2002 20:44:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2002 20:44:17 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13806 comp.os.linux.misc:569508 comp.os.qnx:54196 de.comp.os.sinix:1938 comp.sys.hp.hpux:152602 comp.unix.solaris:416316 comp.sys.sgi.misc:66976 comp.unix.xenix.sco:18690 comp.unix.sco.misc:150473 comp.unix.unixware.misc:46429 comp.sys.m88k:4094 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:18133 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:220617 comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:31444 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:10611 comp.unix.aix:242236 comp.sys.dec:99234 comp.os.vms:354984 C-Kermit 8.0.206 is a minor update of C-Kermit 8.0 for Unix and VMS, that fixes bugs and improves significantly on the new built-in FTP client (Unix only). The common parts of the code base (command and script language, Kermit and FTP file transfer, character-set translation, etc) are synchronized with Kermit 95 2.1, soon to be announced. As of 30 Oct 2001, the new release is up on the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and FTP site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/ A detailed list of changes is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckc206.html Over 100 different Unix and VMS binaries have been built so far; if you can build any not already found here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html please feel free to contribute them: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cksendbin.html - Frank From dcvetkovic@gmx.net Wed Oct 30 16:33:41 EST 2002 Article: 13807 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!newsin.iconnet.net!feed.tor.primus.ca!news.nnrp.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0.206 References: From: Dragan Cvetkovic Sender: dragan@lokrum.tht.net Original-Sender: d1r2a3g4a5n.NOSPAM@soli99ton.com Reply-To: dcvetkovic@gmx.net Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: 30 Oct 2002 16:28:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.22.70.66 X-Trace: news.nnrp.ca 1036013320 134.22.70.66 (Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:28:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:28:40 EST Organization: NNRP.CA Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13807 fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > C-Kermit 8.0.206 is a minor update of C-Kermit 8.0 for Unix and VMS, > that fixes bugs and improves significantly on the new built-in FTP > client (Unix only). The common parts of the code base (command and > script language, Kermit and FTP file transfer, character-set translation, > etc) are synchronized with Kermit 95 2.1, soon to be announced. > > As of 30 Oct 2001, the new release is up on the Kermit website: > 2001? Bye, Dragan -- Dragan Cvetkovic, To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 16:33:43 EST 2002 Article: 13808 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0.206 Date: 30 Oct 2002 16:33:25 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036013607 15697 128.59.39.139 (30 Oct 2002 21:33:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2002 21:33:27 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13808 In article , Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: : fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > As of 30 Oct 2001, the new release is up on the Kermit website: : : 2001? : The inevitable typo. As of 30 Oct 2001, the new release is up on the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 31 10:01:41 EST 2002 Article: 13809 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0.206 Date: 30 Oct 2002 23:17:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036019875 20176 128.59.39.2 (30 Oct 2002 23:17:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2002 23:17:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13809 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article , : Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: : : fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : > As of 30 Oct 2001, the new release is up on the Kermit website: : : : : 2001? : : : The inevitable typo. : : As of 30 Oct 2001, the new release is up on the Kermit website: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : : - Frank Let me try. As of 30 Oct 2002, the new release is up on the Kermit website: http://www.kermit-project.org Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From flo@uk.thalesgroup.com Thu Oct 31 10:01:45 EST 2002 Article: 13810 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!news!not-for-mail From: Paul Williams Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0.206 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:12:19 +0000 Organization: speaking for myself Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3DC11013.D246303C@uk.thalesgroup.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sswc019.int.rdel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: rdel.co.uk 1036062739 23061 172.21.150.60 (31 Oct 2002 11:12:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@uk.thalesgroup.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2002 11:12:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13810 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > In article , > Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > : As of 30 Oct 2001, the new release is up on the Kermit website: > > Let me try. > > As of 30 Oct 2002, the new release is up on the Kermit website: Well, if Jeffrey can type "2", that probably rules out the "freaky Kermit keyboard bug" theory. - Paul From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Nov 2 13:05:59 EST 2002 Article: 13811 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CD format question Date: 2 Nov 2002 13:03:13 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036260194 21227 128.59.39.139 (2 Nov 2002 18:03:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2002 18:03:14 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13811 It's time to make a new C-Kermit CDROM, the first new one since C-Kermit 7.0. Anybody who saw the previous ones can imagine what a tough job this is, because of the ISO 9660 8.3 filename restriction. I'm wondering if, in this day and age, it would be safe to switch to a more modern format, and if so, which one? It would need to be readable on all versions of Unix where CDs can be read (I think we can safely ignore old Unixes with 14-character filename limits), all versions of VMS that support CDs, and all versions of 32-bit Windows. Maybe also OS/2 and Macintosh but they're not essential. Over that range of platforms, are we still stuck with ISO 9660? - Frank From dold@89.usenet.us.com Sat Nov 2 14:33:53 EST 2002 Article: 13812 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.litech.org!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!gail.ripco.com!wasp.rahul.net!blue.rahul.net!not-for-mail From: dold@89.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CD format question Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Sender: Clarence Dold Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1036265117 15197 192.160.13.69 (2 Nov 2002 19:25:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:25:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject User-Agent: tin/1.4.6-20020816 ("Aerials") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.9-34 (i686)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13812 Frank da Cruz wrote: > It's time to make a new C-Kermit CDROM, the first new one since > C-Kermit 7.0. Anybody who saw the previous ones can imagine what > a tough job this is, because of the ISO 9660 8.3 filename restriction. I would, absolutely, use mkisofs with appropriate options. This allows long file names on Windows and Unix on the same CD. Ahhh, but you're worried about the old 8.3-only readers. That wasn't my concern, just unix/windows long names. There's no real web site, and Herr Schilling is sometimes a little curt in his tech support. I have used mkisofs -V "Backup 2001-10-20" -J -r -o /cygdrive/c/backup.iso . Once you have the iso image, you can write to CD with most writers. http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/man/mkisofs-1.13.html ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/alpha/win32/README.win32 From not-a-real-address@usa.net Sun Nov 3 11:18:32 EST 2002 Article: 13813 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: those who know me have no need of my name Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CD format question Date: 03 Nov 2002 06:27:58 GMT Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Informed Management (RC1), i686-redhat-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13813 in comp.protocols.kermit.misc i read: >It's time to make a new C-Kermit CDROM, the first new one since >C-Kermit 7.0. Anybody who saw the previous ones can imagine what >a tough job this is, because of the ISO 9660 8.3 filename restriction. >It would need to be readable on all versions of Unix where CDs can be read >(I think we can safely ignore old Unixes with 14-character filename >limits), all versions of VMS that support CDs, and all versions of 32-bit >Windows. Maybe also OS/2 and Macintosh but they're not essential. > >Over that range of platforms, are we still stuck with ISO 9660? yes, but greatly relaxed. iso-9660 allows for filenames of up to 30 characters, it's the lowest common denominators that made 8.3 desireable. using joerg schilling's excellent mkisofs (part of cdrecord ) i tend to specify `-l -L -R -hide-rr-moved -J -hide-joliet-trans-tbl -T'. so far i've had no trouble. i've had some luck with `-U' (which implies `-d -D -N' as well) and without `-T', but i seem to remember that some system or another hated it so i punted. it may be worthwhile discussing the matter directly with joerg, as he's almost certain to have quite a lot of direct and indirect experience. -- bringing you boring signatures for 17 years From adam@macrotex.net Sun Nov 3 11:19:03 EST 2002 Article: 13814 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: adam@macrotex.net (A. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SSH in K95 now giving me "permission denied" Date: 3 Nov 2002 07:40:02 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6bd7331b.0211030740.567dd1bc@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.221.109.52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036338002 21308 127.0.0.1 (3 Nov 2002 15:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Nov 2002 15:40:02 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13814 I am using K95 (Kermit 95 1.1.21, 2 Apr 2002, for 32-bit Windows) to connect via SSH. When I first installed this a few months ago the ssh worked. However, now I am getting this error: Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). login failed ?Unable to connect to X.X.X.X I checked to see if this was a problem with the computer I was connecting to by connecting with another ssh client (SSHwin) which works, so I do not think it is a server-side problem. Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Nov 3 11:19:06 EST 2002 Article: 13815 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSH in K95 now giving me "permission denied" Date: 3 Nov 2002 15:53:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <6bd7331b.0211030740.567dd1bc@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036338812 13347 128.59.39.2 (3 Nov 2002 15:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Nov 2002 15:53:32 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13815 What type of authentication are you attempting to use? Does the host key that you have match the key in use by the server? If they do not match, then password and keyboard-interactive authentication are disabled to prevent password theft. In article <6bd7331b.0211030740.567dd1bc@posting.google.com>, A. Lewenberg wrote: : I am using K95 (Kermit 95 1.1.21, 2 Apr 2002, for 32-bit Windows) to : connect via SSH. When I first installed this a few months ago the ssh : worked. However, now I am getting this error: : : Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). : login failed : ?Unable to connect to X.X.X.X : : I checked to see if this was a problem with the computer I was : connecting to by connecting with another ssh client (SSHwin) which : works, so I do not think it is a server-side problem. : : Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From jerryaa@yahoo.com Sun Nov 3 12:19:49 EST 2002 Article: 13816 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jerryaa@yahoo.com (JerryAA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MGET with DATE format in the filename? Date: 3 Nov 2002 08:38:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.127.210.130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036341532 25382 127.0.0.1 (3 Nov 2002 16:38:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Nov 2002 16:38:52 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13816 Hi, I'm trying to write a script using Kermit to pull multiple files using the recursive switch with the DATE in the file name. For example, the files I will be downloading will be called ABC.zip, XYZ.zip, etc... I need to download them with ABC11022002.zip-- filename plus DATE. I've tried using the /as-name, /rename-to switch with the /v(filename) and /v(ndate) variables but can't seem to get it right? Has any body done this? Thanks for your help. jerryaa@yahoo.com From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Nov 3 12:19:53 EST 2002 Article: 13817 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MGET with DATE format in the filename? Date: 3 Nov 2002 12:19:33 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036343974 16656 128.59.39.139 (3 Nov 2002 17:19:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Nov 2002 17:19:34 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13817 In article , JerryAA wrote: : I'm trying to write a script using Kermit to pull multiple files using : the recursive switch with the DATE in the file name. : : For example, the files I will be downloading will be called ABC.zip, : XYZ.zip, etc... : : I need to download them with ABC11022002.zip-- filename plus DATE. : : I've tried using the /as-name, /rename-to switch with the /v(filename) : and /v(ndate) variables but can't seem to get it right? : You have some of the slashes backward :-) get [ other-switches ] /as-name:\v(filename)\v(ndate) [ filespec ] Switches start with a forward slash (/). Variables and function names start with a bakslash (\). - Frank From TRHEIN@new.rr.com Mon Nov 4 16:56:04 EST 2002 Article: 13818 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone3.kc.rr.com!news3.kc.rr.com!twister.kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Tom Hein" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfers using Unix SCO Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:43:51 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.129.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.kc.rr.com 1036445940 24.163.129.228 (Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:39:00 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:39:00 CST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13818 Is there a command to start Kermit as a server on a Unix SCO box? I am trying to copy a few text files that are too large to fit on a floppy drive. I am using PibTerm. In contacting Phillip Burns he thought there was a way to start Kermit as a server on SCO style Unix. Thanks for any help. From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 16:56:11 EST 2002 Article: 13819 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfers using Unix SCO Date: 4 Nov 2002 16:55:59 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036446961 18815 128.59.39.139 (4 Nov 2002 21:56:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Nov 2002 21:56:01 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13819 In article , Tom Hein wrote: : Is there a command to start Kermit as a server on a Unix SCO box? : kermit -x Or you can start in the normal way ("kermit"), give it any desired setup commands, and then give it a "server" command. : I am : trying to copy a few text files that are too large to fit on a floppy drive. : I am using PibTerm. In contacting Phillip Burns he thought there was a way : to start Kermit as a server on SCO style Unix. : The current version of Kermit for SCO (Xenix, Unix, OSR5, Unixware, OpenServer, you name it) is C-Kermit 8.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html I don't know what Pibterm is but in case you experience poor performance or other problems with it, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kermit.html and: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html - Frank From dold@81.usenet.us.com Mon Nov 4 17:07:26 EST 2002 Article: 13820 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news.linkpendium.com!news-xfer.cox.net!gail.ripco.com!wasp.rahul.net!blue.rahul.net!not-for-mail From: dold@81.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfers using Unix SCO Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: a2i network Lines: 34 Sender: Clarence Dold Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1036447551 19340 192.160.13.69 (4 Nov 2002 22:05:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:05:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject User-Agent: tin/1.4.6-20020816 ("Aerials") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.9-34 (i686)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13820 Tom Hein wrote: > Is there a command to start Kermit as a server on a Unix SCO box? I am > trying to copy a few text files that are too large to fit on a floppy drive. > I am using PibTerm. In contacting Phillip Burns he thought there was a way > to start Kermit as a server on SCO style Unix. I don't know what PibTerm is, but I assume it has some kermit implementation. Some of the third party implementations are fine, some are slow, but they all seem to work. If you are on Windows, there is a Kermit-95 that is available that makes both a wonderful terminal emulator, and has the latest kermit transfer agent. If you don't want to buy that, the Windows Hyperterm has an embedded kermit transfer mode that works well. SCO, of various rev levels is supported by the kermit project. Various binaries are available for download, and with no configuration, you should be able to invoke a kermit server "kermit -x". Or you might want to "kermit -s filename" to send a file down to a cooperative terminal emulator/kermit program. "kermit -r", and then sending a file would work also. Kermit 95, a commercial product for Windows: http://www.kermit-project.org Simple, Portable, Free kermit File Transfer Software for UNIX http://www.kermit-project.org/gkermit.html On the gkermit page, "find" sco, and decide which one fits. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA. From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Tue Nov 5 16:49:16 EST 2002 Article: 13821 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit (K95), SCO Openserver, Progress, and Linux. Date: 5 Nov 2002 13:40:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211051340.4391f5cb@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036532403 27614 127.0.0.1 (5 Nov 2002 21:40:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Nov 2002 21:40:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13821 I manage an application done in Progress which has traditionally run on SCO OS3 and OS5 using several terminal emulators, currently K95. We use scoansi emulation and all is well. We are porting to Linux. Have a system running and we are down to the nagging details. Linux emulation is not good because the progress graphics are not supported (box drawing), scoansi works well in Progress but Linux complains about not being fully functional (ie: pg). and the silly ls color stuff is broken. Any suggestions appreciated. Regards...Dan. From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Nov 5 16:49:18 EST 2002 Article: 13822 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.terminals Subject: Re: Kermit (K95), SCO Openserver, Progress, and Linux. Date: 5 Nov 2002 16:49:13 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0211051340.4391f5cb@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036532954 19605 128.59.39.139 (5 Nov 2002 21:49:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Nov 2002 21:49:14 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13822 comp.unix.sco.misc:150592 comp.terminals:17589 In article <8ce22d01.0211051340.4391f5cb@posting.google.com>, Dan Skinner wrote: : I manage an application done in Progress which has traditionally run : on SCO OS3 and OS5 using several terminal emulators, currently K95. : We use scoansi emulation and all is well. : : We are porting to Linux. Have a system running and we are down to : the nagging details. Linux emulation is not good because the : progress graphics are not supported (box drawing), scoansi works well : in Progress but Linux complains about not being fully functional : (ie: pg). and the silly ls color stuff is broken. Any suggestions : appreciated. : K95's Linux terminal emulation is fine; it supports box drawings and color; I assume you have K95's terminal type set to Linux. So the question is whether your application sending the right stuff. Does it rely on termcap/terminfo/curses? If so, maybe there is some confusion over the names of the fields or the syntax of their values. It's also possible that you've chosen a terminal character set in K95 that does not agree with what the application thinks you have. I've copied the SCO newsgroup on this reply -- I expect others there have done similar conversions and can offer some hints. Also the terminals newsgroup, where people who know termcap/terminfo/[n]curses hang out. - Frank From adam@macrotex.net Wed Nov 6 09:14:37 EST 2002 Article: 13823 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: adam@macrotex.net (A. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSH in K95 now giving me "permission denied" Date: 5 Nov 2002 18:10:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6bd7331b.0211051810.7a4c8ead@posting.google.com> References: <6bd7331b.0211030740.567dd1bc@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.221.109.52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036548642 15143 127.0.0.1 (6 Nov 2002 02:10:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2002 02:10:42 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13823 I don't know. All I want to do is connect to a linux ssh server. How do I make the keys match (I thought that happened automatically)? jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:... > What type of authentication are you attempting to use? > > Does the host key that you have match the key in use by the server? > If they do not match, then password and keyboard-interactive authentication > are disabled to prevent password theft. > > > > > In article <6bd7331b.0211030740.567dd1bc@posting.google.com>, > A. Lewenberg wrote: > : I am using K95 (Kermit 95 1.1.21, 2 Apr 2002, for 32-bit Windows) to > : connect via SSH. When I first installed this a few months ago the ssh > : worked. However, now I am getting this error: > : > : Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). > : login failed > : ?Unable to connect to X.X.X.X > : > : I checked to see if this was a problem with the computer I was > : connecting to by connecting with another ssh client (SSHwin) which > : works, so I do not think it is a server-side problem. > : > : Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 09:14:40 EST 2002 Article: 13824 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSH in K95 now giving me "permission denied" Date: 6 Nov 2002 03:46:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <6bd7331b.0211030740.567dd1bc@posting.google.com> <6bd7331b.0211051810.7a4c8ead@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036554403 4263 128.59.39.2 (6 Nov 2002 03:46:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2002 03:46:43 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13824 In article <6bd7331b.0211051810.7a4c8ead@posting.google.com>, A. Lewenberg wrote: : I don't know. All I want to do is connect to a linux ssh server. How : do I make the keys match (I thought that happened automatically)? If the keys do not match it is because the keys assigned to the server have changed since your initial connection. If this is the case, you will be presented a dialog indicating a potential attack. The keys are stored in the directory /Application Data/Kermit 95/SSH In K95 issue the command KCD APPDATA CD SSH DIR Edit the host keys file and remove the key for the host you are connecting to if it doesn't match and you trust that the host has not been compromised. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Wed Nov 6 12:53:42 EST 2002 Article: 13825 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.terminals Subject: Re: Kermit (K95), SCO Openserver, Progress, and Linux. Date: 6 Nov 2002 09:48:32 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 75 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211060948.78805fbe@posting.google.com> References: <8ce22d01.0211051340.4391f5cb@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036604912 17556 127.0.0.1 (6 Nov 2002 17:48:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2002 17:48:32 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13825 comp.unix.sco.misc:150610 comp.terminals:17590 fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:... > In article <8ce22d01.0211051340.4391f5cb@posting.google.com>, > Dan Skinner wrote: > : I manage an application done in Progress which has traditionally run > : on SCO OS3 and OS5 using several terminal emulators, currently K95. > : We use scoansi emulation and all is well. > : > : We are porting to Linux. Have a system running and we are down to > : the nagging details. Linux emulation is not good because the > : progress graphics are not supported (box drawing), scoansi works well > : in Progress but Linux complains about not being fully functional > : (ie: pg). and the silly ls color stuff is broken. Any suggestions > : appreciated. > : > K95's Linux terminal emulation is fine; it supports box drawings and > color; I assume you have K95's terminal type set to Linux. So the > question is whether your application sending the right stuff. Does it > rely on termcap/terminfo/curses? If so, maybe there is some confusion > over the names of the fields or the syntax of their values. > > It's also possible that you've chosen a terminal character set in K95 > that does not agree with what the application thinks you have. > > I've copied the SCO newsgroup on this reply -- I expect others there > have done similar conversions and can offer some hints. Also the > terminals newsgroup, where people who know termcap/terminfo/[n]curses > hang out. > > - Frank Thanks Frank; I've been doing some expermental research and have found the following. It seems that all functions of the K95 Linux terminal emulation work except the escape to and from graphics mode (GS and GE). The termcap (protermcap in Progress) is set to GS=^N and GE=^O and work on the Linux console. I understand that Linux display codes are like vt100 and I check the vt100 termcap entries and find GS=^N and GE=^O and this works if I set K95 to vt100. Lots of other stuff is broken but the box drawing works with Linux TERM=linux and K95 emulation set to vt100. When K95 emulation set to linux the box drawing characters are the un-escaped values of G1 through GV. When I null the escape codes (GS=\000 and GE=\000) and put in corners of + and lines of | & - both the linux console and k95 in linux emulation give the same result. For your information show char yields: Transfer Translation: on File Character-Set: latin1-iso (ISO 8859-1 Latin-1), 8-bit File Scan: on Default 7bit-Character-Set: ascii Default 8bit-Character-Set: cp437 Transfer Character-Set: Transparent SEND character-set-selection: automatic RECEIVE character-set-selection: manual (Use SHOW ASSOCIATIONS to list automatic character-set selections.) Unknown-Char-Set: Keep Terminal character-sets: Mode: 8-bit Multinational Mode Local: Unicode display / Windows Code Page 1252 input Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars) G1: US ASCII (96 chars) GR->G2: ISO Latin-1 (94 chars) G3: DEC Special Graphics (94 chars) Keyboard character-sets: Multinational: PC Code Page 437 National: US ASCII Code Pages: Active: 1252 Are you sure this is not a K95 issue? Again, any help appreciated. Regards...Dan. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 13:39:23 EST 2002 Article: 13826 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.terminals Subject: Re: Kermit (K95), SCO Openserver, Progress, and Linux. Date: 6 Nov 2002 18:11:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0211051340.4391f5cb@posting.google.com> <8ce22d01.0211060948.78805fbe@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036606276 29655 128.59.39.2 (6 Nov 2002 18:11:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2002 18:11:16 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13826 comp.unix.sco.misc:150613 comp.terminals:17591 You have your remote character set configured for ISO Latin 1 which does not contain graphics characters. Set your remote character set to CP437 and you will experience the desired behavior. In article <8ce22d01.0211060948.78805fbe@posting.google.com>, Dan Skinner wrote: : Thanks Frank; : I've been doing some expermental research and have found the : following. It seems that all functions of the K95 Linux terminal : emulation work except the escape to and from graphics mode (GS and : GE). The termcap (protermcap in Progress) is set to GS=^N and GE=^O : and work on the Linux console. I understand that Linux display codes : are like vt100 and I check the vt100 termcap entries and find GS=^N : and GE=^O and this works if I set K95 to vt100. Lots of other stuff is : broken but the box drawing works with Linux TERM=linux and K95 : emulation set to vt100. When K95 emulation set to linux the box : drawing characters are the un-escaped values of G1 through GV. When I : null the escape codes (GS=\000 and GE=\000) and put in corners of + : and lines of | & - both the linux console and k95 in linux emulation : give the same result. : For your information show char yields: : Transfer Translation: on : File Character-Set: latin1-iso (ISO 8859-1 Latin-1), 8-bit : File Scan: on : Default 7bit-Character-Set: ascii : Default 8bit-Character-Set: cp437 : Transfer Character-Set: Transparent : SEND character-set-selection: automatic : RECEIVE character-set-selection: manual : (Use SHOW ASSOCIATIONS to list automatic character-set selections.) : : Unknown-Char-Set: Keep : : Terminal character-sets: : Mode: 8-bit Multinational Mode : Local: Unicode display / Windows Code Page 1252 input : Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars) : G1: US ASCII (96 chars) : GR->G2: ISO Latin-1 (94 chars) : G3: DEC Special Graphics (94 chars) : : Keyboard character-sets: : Multinational: PC Code Page 437 : National: US ASCII : : Code Pages: : Active: 1252 : : Are you sure this is not a K95 issue? : Again, any help appreciated. : Regards...Dan. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Thu Nov 7 12:22:54 EST 2002 Article: 13827 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.terminals Subject: Re: Kermit (K95), SCO Openserver, Progress, and Linux. Date: 7 Nov 2002 09:19:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 192 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211070919.34c74021@posting.google.com> References: <8ce22d01.0211051340.4391f5cb@posting.google.com> <8ce22d01.0211060948.78805fbe@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036689549 20812 127.0.0.1 (7 Nov 2002 17:19:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Nov 2002 17:19:09 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13827 comp.unix.sco.misc:150634 comp.terminals:17594 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:... > You have your remote character set configured for ISO Latin 1 which > does not contain graphics characters. Set your remote character set > to CP437 and you will experience the desired behavior. > > In article <8ce22d01.0211060948.78805fbe@posting.google.com>, > Dan Skinner wrote: > : Thanks Frank; > : I've been doing some expermental research and have found the > : following. It seems that all functions of the K95 Linux terminal > : emulation work except the escape to and from graphics mode (GS and > : GE). The termcap (protermcap in Progress) is set to GS=^N and GE=^O > : and work on the Linux console. I understand that Linux display codes > : are like vt100 and I check the vt100 termcap entries and find GS=^N > : and GE=^O and this works if I set K95 to vt100. Lots of other stuff is > : broken but the box drawing works with Linux TERM=linux and K95 > : emulation set to vt100. When K95 emulation set to linux the box > : drawing characters are the un-escaped values of G1 through GV. When I > : null the escape codes (GS=\000 and GE=\000) and put in corners of + > : and lines of | & - both the linux console and k95 in linux emulation > : give the same result. > : For your information show char yields: > : Transfer Translation: on > : File Character-Set: latin1-iso (ISO 8859-1 Latin-1), 8-bit > : File Scan: on > : Default 7bit-Character-Set: ascii > : Default 8bit-Character-Set: cp437 > : Transfer Character-Set: Transparent > : SEND character-set-selection: automatic > : RECEIVE character-set-selection: manual > : (Use SHOW ASSOCIATIONS to list automatic character-set selections.) > : > : Unknown-Char-Set: Keep > : > : Terminal character-sets: > : Mode: 8-bit Multinational Mode > : Local: Unicode display / Windows Code Page 1252 input > : Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars) > : G1: US ASCII (96 chars) > : GR->G2: ISO Latin-1 (94 chars) > : G3: DEC Special Graphics (94 chars) > : > : Keyboard character-sets: > : Multinational: PC Code Page 437 > : National: US ASCII > : > : Code Pages: > : Active: 1252 > : > : Are you sure this is not a K95 issue? > : Again, any help appreciated. > : Regards...Dan. > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. Jeffrey at Kermit Support has provided the information and background information which made it possible for me to solve my problem. In a nutshell the problem was in the private termcap for Progress. The is= string in the Progress Linux termcap string sends the escape sequence (B setting the G2 character-set to ISO Latin1 as opposed to (U which sets G2 character-set to cp437 as required by my particular application environment. This solved the problem I was having with character drawn screen logos. With this change the Linux console works pretty well. The linux emulation Kermit box drawing still presented the un-shifted Gx values of "jklmqx". This I solved with a technique Progress used in previous SCO Unix ansi termcap's. This is to null out GS and GE and to replace G1 - GV with the octal values of the line drawing characters. I'll take this opportunity to praise Kermit support. They live up to the quote "AND . . . Super-responsive technical support: we stand behind our products and support them vigorously." The session log Jeffery suggested presented the (B like a slap in the face, (as soon as I took the time to record it!) With their help we have successfully married Progress, SCO Open Server, Linux (Mandrake), and Kermit (K95). Regards…Dan. The following is the revised Linux termcap for Progress protermcap: #linux linux|linux-lat|linux console:\ :START-RESIZE(ESC-1)=\E1:\ :GO(F1)=\E[[A:\ :GO(CTRL-X)=^x:\ :HELP(F2)=\E[[B:\ :ENTER-MENUBAR(F3)=\E[[C:\ :END-ERROR(F4)=\E[[D:\ :GET(F5)=\E[[E:\ :PUT(F6)=\E[17~:\ :RECALL(F7)=\E[18~:\ :CLEAR(F8)=\E[19~:\ :CLEAR(CTRL-Z)=^z:\ :INSERT-MODE(CTRL-T)=^t:\ :CUT(F10)=\E[21~:\ :COPY(F11)=\E[23~:\ :PASTE(F12)=\E[24~:\ :BACKSPACE(BACKSPACE)=^?:\ :HOME(HOME)=\E[1~:\ :DELETE(DELETE)=\E[3~:\ :END(END)=\E[4~:\ :PAGE-UP(PAGE-UP)=\E[5~:\ :PAGE-DOWN(PAGE-DOWN)=\E[6~:\ :BLOCK(CTRL-V)=^v:\ :HOME(ESC-<)=\E<:\ :END(ESC->)=\E>:\ :is=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[m\E[?7h\E[?8h\E(U\E)0:\ :nd=2\E[C:\ :do=\E[B:\ :cl=50\E[;H\E[2J:\ :cm=5\E[%i%d;%dH:\ :so=2\E[7m:\ :DELETE-COLUMN(ESC-CTRL-Z)=\E[4:\ :se=2\E[m:\ :us=2\E[4m:\ :ue=2\E[m:\ :GS=\000:\ :GE=\000:\ :G1=\277:\ :G2=\332:\ :G3=\300:\ :G4=\331:\ :GC=n:\ :GD=w:\ :GH=\304:\ :GL=u:\ :GR=t:\ :GU=v:\ :GV=\263:\ :HS=2\E[1m:\ :HR=2\E[m:\ :BB=2\E[5m:\ :BR=2\E[m:\ :ks=\E[?1h\E=:\ :ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :cd=10\E[J:\ :ce=10\E[K:\ :co#80:\ :kd=\E[B:\ :kl=\E[D:\ :kr=\E[C:\ :ku=\E[A:\ :li#24:\ :up=\E[A:\ :xi:\ :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:\ :sr=\EM:\ :sf=\n:\ :GO(PF1)=\EOP:\ :HELP(PF2)=\EOQ:\ :ENTER-MENUBAR(PF3)=\EOR:\ :END-ERROR(PF4)=\EOS:\ :PAGE-UP(ESC-UP-ARROW)=\E\E[A:\ :PAGE-DOWN(ESC-DOWN-ARROW)=\E\E[B:\ :LEFT-END(ESC-LEFT-ARROW)=\E\E[D:\ :RIGHT-END(ESC-RIGHT-ARROW)=\E\E[C:\ :ku=\E[A: :L_ku=:\ :kd=\E[B: :L_kd=:\ :kr=\E[C: :L_kr=:\ :kl=\E[D: :L_kl=:\ :bc=\177: :.L_bc:\ :kh=\Eh: :L_kh= h:\ :EN=\Ee: :L_EN= e:\ :PU=^U: :L_PU=:\ :PD=^K: :L_PD=:\ :ki=\Ei: :L_ki= i:\ :DL=^X: :L_DL=:\ :ESC=\E\E: :L_ESC= :\ :bt=\Eb: :L_bt= b:\ :fk4=\EOP: :L_fk4=:\ :fk1=\EOQ: :L_fk1=:\ :fk2=\EOR: :L_fk2=:\ :fk3=\EOS: :L_fk3=:\ :fk5=\E6: :L_fk5= 6:\ :fk6=\E7: :L_fk6= 7:\ :fk7=\E8: :L_fk7= 8:\ :Aka=^k: :L_Aka=Ctrl-K:\ :Akd=^z: :L_Akd=Ctrl-Z:\ :Akp=^r: :L_Akp=Ctrl-R:\ :Aks=^l: :L_Aks=Ctrl-L:\ :Aku=\Em: :L_Aku=Esc-M:\ :Akw=^g: :L_Akw=Ctrl-G:\ :Aki=^e: :L_Aki=Ctrl-E:\ :tc=v7kf: From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Nov 8 12:07:48 EST 2002 Article: 13831 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.aix Subject: Last call for C-Kermit 8.0.206 binaries Date: 8 Nov 2002 12:06:06 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036775167 18872 128.59.39.139 (8 Nov 2002 17:06:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Nov 2002 17:06:07 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13831 comp.os.vms:356031 comp.unix.aix:242565 We're going to press shortly with the C-Kermit 8.0 CDROM; it's in pretty good shape in terms of current C-Kermit binaries for many platforms, but there's always room for improvement. If you can build C-Kermit on any platform for which we don't yet have an 8.0.206 binary, we can put it on the CDROM if you send it in soon. You can find the current list of binaries here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html Instructions for making and sending in new ones are here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cksendbin.html Thanks! - Frank From jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca Fri Nov 8 14:01:34 EST 2002 Article: 13832 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DCC0339.8DB24B6F@vl.videotron.ca> From: JF Mezei X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: Last call for C-Kermit 8.0.206 binaries References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:32:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.202.148.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.ca X-Trace: weber.videotron.net 1036780259 24.202.148.20 (Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:30:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:30:59 EST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13832 comp.os.vms:356050 comp.unix.aix:242569 Frank da Cruz wrote: > but there's always room for improvement. If you can build C-Kermit on > any platform for which we don't yet have an 8.0.206 binary, we can put > it on the CDROM if you send it in soon. You can find the current list > of binaries here: I'd be willing to build it for VMS 7.2 TCPIP-5.3 However, is there really any differennce between such a build and one built with TCPIP 5.1 which you already have ? (TCPIP = UCX). Also, just a comment, in the list of OS at the top of the page, just use "DEC Tru64, DEC VMS" instead of "DEC/Compaq/HP VMS" etc. Or as a compromise, "DEC/HP VMS". The word Compaq doesn't belong anywhere near "VMS" and it just make things look far more complicated than they really are. From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Nov 8 14:31:06 EST 2002 Article: 13833 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: Last call for C-Kermit 8.0.206 binaries Date: 8 Nov 2002 14:30:10 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <3DCC0339.8DB24B6F@vl.videotron.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036783811 25477 128.59.39.139 (8 Nov 2002 19:30:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Nov 2002 19:30:11 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13833 comp.os.vms:356060 comp.unix.aix:242571 comp.sys.dec:99297 In article <3DCC0339.8DB24B6F@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > but there's always room for improvement. If you can build C-Kermit on : > any platform for which we don't yet have an 8.0.206 binary, we can put : > it on the CDROM if you send it in soon. You can find the current list : > of binaries here: : : I'd be willing to build it for VMS 7.2 TCPIP-5.3 : : However, is there really any differennce between such a build and one built : with TCPIP 5.1 which you already have ? (TCPIP = UCX). : That one wouldn't be essential. It's more important to get builds on platforms that have earlier OS's or, in the VMS case, earlier TCP/IP versions than the ones for which C-Kermit 8.0.206 is already built. : Also, just a comment, in the list of OS at the top of the page, just use : "DEC Tru64, DEC VMS" instead of "DEC/Compaq/HP VMS" etc. : : Or as a compromise, "DEC/HP VMS". : : The word Compaq doesn't belong anywhere near "VMS" and it just make things : look far more complicated than they really are. : Understood, but on the other hand if I left it out somebody else would complain. This way more searches succeed. Also, it *is* more complicated; e.g. DEC OSF/1 and Digital Unix, but Compaq and HP Tru64 (DEC never called it Tru64, unless I'm mistaken)... Plus, if you think it's complicated now, just wait til VMS comes out on IA64. Then we'll have: (VAX vs Alpha vs IA64) x ([Open]VMS version) x (TCP product) x (TCP version) How inconsiderate of DEC to complicate our lives by making products that never die. I've got a VAX upstairs running VMS 5.5 that hasn't been rebooted in years. And I don't even feel that I'm tempting fate by saying that. Anyway back to the point -- the binaries we need the most right now are for older platforms: Digital Unix 3.x, OSF/1, VMS prior to 5.5, Ultrix versions prior to 4.5. The AT&T 3B2. Solaris prior to 2.5.1. The Sun3 and Sun4. Any version of AIX besides 4.3.3. Any version of AIX, SunOS, or Solaris with X.25 support. Older versions of IRIX or DG/UX. Any version of NeXTSTEP, OpenSTEP, ESIX, or NCR MP-RAS. Unicos... Are there any Crays left out there? There are also some new platforms I don't have binaries for yet -- QNX 6.1, Zaurus, Ipaq... Oh yeah, and some other new Linux-based PDA (not Zaurus) >from Korea, can't remember its name just now. - Frank From peter@langstoeger.at Sun Nov 10 11:56:08 EST 2002 Article: 13834 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsrouter.chello.at!news.chello.at.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: Last call for C-Kermit 8.0.206 binaries References: <3DCC0339.8DB24B6F@vl.videotron.ca> From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Reply-To: peter@langstoeger.at Organization: OpenVMS Hobbyist, Vienna, AUSTRIA Lines: 46 Message-ID: <_Qdz9.214849$aa2.2720827@news.chello.at> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:02:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.178.35.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.chello.at X-Trace: news.chello.at 1036872122 62.178.35.154 (Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:02:02 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:02:02 MET Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13834 comp.os.vms:356139 comp.unix.aix:242593 comp.sys.dec:99306 In article , fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <3DCC0339.8DB24B6F@vl.videotron.ca>, >JF Mezei wrote: >: Frank da Cruz wrote: >: > but there's always room for improvement. If you can build C-Kermit on >: > any platform for which we don't yet have an 8.0.206 binary, we can put >: > it on the CDROM if you send it in soon. You can find the current list >: > of binaries here: >: >: I'd be willing to build it for VMS 7.2 TCPIP-5.3 >: >: However, is there really any differennce between such a build and one built >: with TCPIP 5.1 which you already have ? (TCPIP = UCX). >: >That one wouldn't be essential. It's more important to get builds on >platforms that have earlier OS's or, in the VMS case, earlier TCP/IP >versions than the ones for which C-Kermit 8.0.206 is already built. > >: Also, just a comment, in the list of OS at the top of the page, just use >: "DEC Tru64, DEC VMS" instead of "DEC/Compaq/HP VMS" etc. >: >: Or as a compromise, "DEC/HP VMS". >: >: The word Compaq doesn't belong anywhere near "VMS" and it just make things >: look far more complicated than they really are. >: >Understood, but on the other hand if I left it out somebody else would >complain. This way more searches succeed. Also, it *is* more complicated; >e.g. DEC OSF/1 and Digital Unix, but Compaq and HP Tru64 (DEC never called it >Tru64, unless I'm mistaken)... Plus, if you think it's complicated now, just >wait til VMS comes out on IA64. Then we'll have: > > (VAX vs Alpha vs IA64) x ([Open]VMS version) x (TCP product) x (TCP version) Not really. Because [Open]VMS has a great history of beeing upward compatible. Built for UCX it will run on TCPIP, Multinet and TCPware also. Built on ancient/earlier VMS versions it will run on more recent ones also. I used an image of 1978 (TAPECOPY.EXE) up to the late 90s... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist From hvanclee@nyx.net Sun Nov 10 12:00:41 EST 2002 Article: 13835 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems transferring over ppp connection References: <1034801647.495773@irys.nyx.net> <1034815854.830840@irys.nyx.net> Organization: Nyx Net, Free Internet access (www.nyx.net) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) From: hvanclee@nyx.net (Henry van Cleef) Message-ID: <1036899555.887972@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!hvanclee@nyx3.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 Date: 9 Nov 2002 20:39:16 -0700 X-Trace: omega.dimensional.com 1036899556 206.124.29.6 (9 Nov 2002 20:39:16 -0700) Lines: 51 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!omega.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13835 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , >Jeffrey Altman wrote: >: ... >: I should point out that if the connection was truly using STREAMING >: transfers then if even a single error was to occur, the transfer >: would fail. Therefore, I must assume tht STREAMING transfers are >: not being used. >: >And similarly, that transparency isn't a suspect either. If certain >byte values were being absorbed by PPP, a modem, or the terminal >server, error recovery would not work. Thus flow control seems the >only likely culprit. > >If Kermit transfers work on exactly the same physical connection >when directly dialed, but fail over PPP, it has to be a difference >between the modem and/or port configurations on one end or the other >(or both), or else the fault of PPP. > I want to get back on this and tell you what the resolution was. You pointed me in the direction of flow control, which turned out to be the key. Some discussion on the comp.unix.solaris newsgroup led to some comments from Greg Andrews about the need to use the uucp driver to talk to the modem (/dev/cua/a). I had to remind Greg that no matter what the manpages for the zs and se drivers say, the ppp that Sun released with Solaris 8 7/01, and has in Solaris 9, is a setuid root program, and simply trying to make a pppd call from user space specifying /dev/cua/a would fail because of permissions. Greg finally put the question to the ppp people, who came back with information that is not laid out anywhere in the docs available for Solaris users. Namely, put /dev/cua/a in one of the priviledged options files in the /etc/ppp directory. That, plus resetting the OBP ttya-ignore-cd flag (this is Sun hardware) to false, seems to have solved the problems. While I note that I had installed Kermit suid to uucp to use /dev/cua/a on this particular box, it seems to run fine through /dev/term/a. Not so with pppd. With this change in place, I seem to be able to upload and download through telnet run on Kermit with the maximum length packets. I note that the window allocation display does show STREAMING, using telnet. Running ssh on Kermit, I see the standard 1 of 30 windows display, and note that there appears to be a buffer length limit between 1000 and 2000 bytes. Run with 1000, and it's tick-tock, solid as a rock. With 2000 I see timeout errors and RTS/CTS action on the modem. Hank From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Nov 10 12:00:44 EST 2002 Article: 13836 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: Last call for C-Kermit 8.0.206 binaries Date: 10 Nov 2002 11:59:41 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3DCC0339.8DB24B6F@vl.videotron.ca> <_Qdz9.214849$aa2.2720827@news.chello.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036947582 13407 128.59.39.139 (10 Nov 2002 16:59:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2002 16:59:42 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13836 comp.os.vms:356169 comp.unix.aix:242603 comp.sys.dec:99308 In article <_Qdz9.214849$aa2.2720827@news.chello.at>, Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: : In article , fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > ...if you think it's complicated now, just : > wait til VMS comes out on IA64. Then we'll have: : > : > (VAX vs Alpha vs IA64) x (VMS version) x (TCP product) x (TCP version) : : Not really. Because [Open]VMS has a great history of beeing upward : compatible. : : Built for UCX it will run on TCPIP, Multinet and TCPware also. : Built on ancient/earlier VMS versions it will run on more recent ones also. : I know, but I still need to build each new release of C-Kermit on every possible combination to make sure they all still work. You can't take this for granted -- small changes in VMS or TCP/IP-product header files can do a great deal of damage to previously working builds. Similarly, small changes in Kermit can introduce conflicts with symbols that are defined in some obscure header file. And so on. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Nov 10 13:42:34 EST 2002 Article: 13837 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need C-Kermit 8.0.206 Zaurus binary Date: 10 Nov 2002 13:33:42 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1036953223 17088 128.59.39.139 (10 Nov 2002 18:33:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2002 18:33:43 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:570816 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13837 We have released an updated version of C-Kermit 8.0, mainly to fix a few bugs and adapt the built-in scriptable FTP client to some of the new FTP protocol features that are about to be approved in IETF (e.g. that allow recursive directory-tree downloads without having to parse host-dependent directory listings): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html Can somebody here who has a Zaurus with C compiler installed please download the new source code, make a Zaurus binary, and upload to the Kermit Project site for distribution? General instructions are here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cksendbin.html The makefile target is "sl5500", and the binary should be uploaded to/as: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/cku206.linux-zaurus-sl5500 Thanks! Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University New York City email: fdc@columbia.edu web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From ysidros@advmail.com Tue Nov 12 13:19:40 EST 2002 Article: 13838 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: ysidros@advmail.com (Ysidro Salinas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet and pseudo-terminals Date: 12 Nov 2002 09:28:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.194.226.189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037122120 13824 127.0.0.1 (12 Nov 2002 17:28:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Nov 2002 17:28:40 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13838 Is it possible to use C-Kermit to provide "serial-like" input/output through a telnet connection to another communication program? If so, how? I've read about the pipe and pty features, the redirect feature, and I've also scowered the "Using C-Kermit" book, but I'm not quite sure if any of these do what I want. I have an existing comm program that screen-scraps a remote system via a serial port, I'd like to extend it to do exactly the same over a telnet connection, but I'd really like to avoid writing code to perform the telnet protocol. Can I use kermit to establish the telnet connection, feed input and output to my program, and handle all the telnet communication at the same time? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Nov 12 13:19:43 EST 2002 Article: 13839 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet and pseudo-terminals Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:19:25 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037125166 5600 128.59.39.139 (12 Nov 2002 18:19:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Nov 2002 18:19:26 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13839 In article , Ysidro Salinas wrote: : Is it possible to use C-Kermit to provide "serial-like" input/output : through a telnet connection to another communication program? If so, : how? I've read about the pipe and pty features, the redirect feature, : and I've also scowered the "Using C-Kermit" book, but I'm not quite : sure if any of these do what I want. I have an existing comm program : that screen-scraps a remote system via a serial port, I'd like to : extend it to do exactly the same over a telnet connection, but I'd : really like to avoid writing code to perform the telnet protocol. Can : I use kermit to establish the telnet connection, feed input and output : to my program, and handle all the telnet communication at the same : time? : You could try the REDIRECT command: set host foo.bar.baz if fail ... redirect If your communications program uses stdio for the user end, it should work. If not, you could always rewrite the whole thing as a Kermit script, thus making it both transport- and platform-independent. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Nov 12 13:25:00 EST 2002 Article: 13840 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet and pseudo-terminals Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:24:43 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037125485 5849 128.59.39.139 (12 Nov 2002 18:24:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Nov 2002 18:24:45 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13840 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article , : Ysidro Salinas wrote: : : Is it possible to use C-Kermit to provide "serial-like" input/output : : through a telnet connection to another communication program? If so, : : how? I've read about the pipe and pty features, the redirect feature, : : and I've also scowered the "Using C-Kermit" book, but I'm not quite : : sure if any of these do what I want. I have an existing comm program : : that screen-scraps a remote system via a serial port, I'd like to : : extend it to do exactly the same over a telnet connection, but I'd : : really like to avoid writing code to perform the telnet protocol. Can : : I use kermit to establish the telnet connection, feed input and output : : to my program, and handle all the telnet communication at the same : : time? : : : You could try the REDIRECT command: : : set host foo.bar.baz : if fail ... : redirect : : If your communications program uses stdio for the user end, it should : work. : Never mind, as soon as I sent that off, I realized it was wrong. What it would do would be to hook up the telnet host with the dialed-up host, not substitute the dialed-up host for the Telnet host. : If not, you could always rewrite the whole thing as a Kermit : script, thus making it both transport- and platform-independent. : This is probably your best bet. Unless some kind of "shim" exists for your platform that looks like a serial port and/or modem to the software, but really is a Telnet client, like OS/2 VMODEM. I'm not aware of such a thing for Unix, but you never know. - Frank From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Wed Nov 13 16:14:27 EST 2002 Article: 13841 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit FTP script Date: 13 Nov 2002 13:01:10 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037221271 15687 127.0.0.1 (13 Nov 2002 21:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2002 21:01:11 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13841 ; FTP script from Linux archive to skinner /icsdemo set command quoting on set login prompt set network tcp/ip if fail end 1 TCP/IP Failed set input echo on ftp open skinner /user:root /password:xxxxxx if fail exit 1 connection failed ftp cd /icsdemo ftp put jdsmenuarch.tar ftp put gbsarch.tar quit The script above works when the ftp open is correct. if also works correctly (fails) if the ftp server does not exist. It is broken if the server exists but the login fails. IE: the put commands are issued. I've made it as simple as I can but can't see what I'm doing wrong. Using Linux 8.0.206 on Mandrake distro. Skinner is SCO OpenServer 5.04 if that matters? Any help appreciated. Regards...Dan. From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 16:14:32 EST 2002 Article: 13842 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script Date: 13 Nov 2002 16:14:24 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037222065 3270 128.59.39.139 (13 Nov 2002 21:14:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2002 21:14:25 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13842 In article <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com>, Dan Skinner wrote: : ; FTP script from Linux archive to skinner /icsdemo : set command quoting on : set login prompt : set network tcp/ip : if fail end 1 TCP/IP Failed : set input echo on : ftp open skinner /user:root /password:xxxxxx : if fail exit 1 connection failed : ftp cd /icsdemo : ftp put jdsmenuarch.tar : ftp put gbsarch.tar : quit : : The script above works when the ftp open is correct. : if also works correctly (fails) if the ftp server does not exist. : It is broken if the server exists but the login fails. : IE: the put commands are issued. : I've made it as simple as I can but can't see what I'm doing wrong. : Using Linux 8.0.206 on Mandrake distro. : Skinner is SCO OpenServer 5.04 if that matters? : No. By default (i.e. unless you have SET FTP AUTOLOGIN OFF), the FTP OPEN command does two things: makes the connection and logs you in (perhaps prompting you for your user ID or password). Thus it can succeed in opening the connection but fail in attempting to log you in. The FTP scripting tutorial explains this and shows how to handle it: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html Briefly: ftp open somehost [ /user:xxx [ /password:yyy ] ] if fail stop 1 FTP connection failed if not \v(ftp_loggedin) stop 1 FTP login failed ... You'll also need IF FAIL clauses after all your other FTP commands if you don't want the script to keep executing after a failed command. Who remembers SNOBOL? Kermit scripts are kind of like that: with each statement, you should consider what should be done next if it succeeds and what should be done if it fails. - Frank From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 16:19:11 EST 2002 Article: 13843 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script Date: 13 Nov 2002 21:16:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037222215 3375 128.59.39.2 (13 Nov 2002 21:16:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2002 21:16:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13843 FTP OPEN will not result in FAILURE because of a failed login attempt. The OPEN succeeds if you are connected to the FTP server. If you want to automate the login and be able to test the result: SET FTP AUTOLOGIN OFF FTP OPEN hostname IF FAILURE ... FTP USER username password IF FAILURE ... In article <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com>, Dan Skinner wrote: : ; FTP script from Linux archive to skinner /icsdemo : set command quoting on : set login prompt : set network tcp/ip : if fail end 1 TCP/IP Failed : set input echo on : ftp open skinner /user:root /password:xxxxxx : if fail exit 1 connection failed : ftp cd /icsdemo : ftp put jdsmenuarch.tar : ftp put gbsarch.tar : quit : : The script above works when the ftp open is correct. : if also works correctly (fails) if the ftp server does not exist. : It is broken if the server exists but the login fails. : IE: the put commands are issued. : I've made it as simple as I can but can't see what I'm doing wrong. : Using Linux 8.0.206 on Mandrake distro. : Skinner is SCO OpenServer 5.04 if that matters? : : Any help appreciated. : Regards...Dan. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! 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From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Thu Nov 14 11:33:24 EST 2002 Article: 13844 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script Date: 13 Nov 2002 21:07:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 62 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211132107.1a569739@posting.google.com> References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037250475 20876 127.0.0.1 (14 Nov 2002 05:07:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Nov 2002 05:07:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13844 Thanks guys; I knew I was missing something. I only went as far as the basic FTP scripting examples. Now I can fix it right. Do you think success is the right answer to a failed login? The rules are the rules, but sometimes logic should prevail. Anywho - I appreciate the quick and clear help. When this script is done it will be run by cron as part of a scheduled backup on the network. I'll find out what happened by email so (as you say) if fail is a big deal and the more info in the email the better. I'm using Kermit FTP rather than native FTP for this reason. I have several other systems using this cron strategy with native FTP This is the first new server on the network since version 8. I suppose a rational person would go back and fix the old ones? But then would a rational guy be watching Letterman and talking to you all? Regards...Dan. >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:$39f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... > FTP OPEN will not result in FAILURE because of a failed login > attempt. The OPEN succeeds if you are connected to the FTP > server. > > If you want to automate the login and be able to test the result: > > SET FTP AUTOLOGIN OFF > FTP OPEN hostname > IF FAILURE ... > FTP USER username password > IF FAILURE ... > > > > In article <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com>, > Dan Skinner wrote: > : ; FTP script from Linux archive to skinner /icsdemo > : set command quoting on > : set login prompt > : set network tcp/ip > : if fail end 1 TCP/IP Failed > : set input echo on > : ftp open skinner /user:root /password:xxxxxx > : if fail exit 1 connection failed > : ftp cd /icsdemo > : ftp put jdsmenuarch.tar > : ftp put gbsarch.tar > : quit > : > : The script above works when the ftp open is correct. > : if also works correctly (fails) if the ftp server does not exist. > : It is broken if the server exists but the login fails. > : IE: the put commands are issued. > : I've made it as simple as I can but can't see what I'm doing wrong. > : Using Linux 8.0.206 on Mandrake distro. > : Skinner is SCO OpenServer 5.04 if that matters? > : > : Any help appreciated. > : Regards...Dan. > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 11:33:27 EST 2002 Article: 13845 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script Date: 14 Nov 2002 11:32:52 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> <8ce22d01.0211132107.1a569739@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037291574 21167 128.59.39.139 (14 Nov 2002 16:32:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Nov 2002 16:32:54 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13845 In article <8ce22d01.0211132107.1a569739@posting.google.com>, Dan Skinner wrote: : ... : Do you think success is the right answer to a failed login? : The rules are the rules, but sometimes logic should prevail. : The primary purpose of the FTP OPEN command is to open an FTP connection. If it succeeds in that, it doesn't fail. As a convenience -- and also for secure connection types -- authentication can also be performed as a consequence of this command. This can succeed or fail separately, and thus it's tested seperately. : When this script is done it will be run by cron as part of a scheduled : backup on the network. I'll find out what happened by email so (as : you say) if fail is a big deal and the more info in the email the : better. I'm using Kermit FTP rather than native FTP for this reason. : Right, and of course you can have your Kermit script compose the email message, plugging all sorts of relevant information into it from Kermit's built-in variables ("show variables") and whatever else you want. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 14:37:25 EST 2002 Article: 13846 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Fortune 32:16? Date: 14 Nov 2002 13:12:46 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037297567 25476 128.59.39.139 (14 Nov 2002 18:12:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Nov 2002 18:12:47 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13846 alt.folklore.computers:310402 Does anyone have a still-working Fortune 32:16? (This was one of the first Unix desktop computers on the market, circa 1985...) A Kermit binary is needed to migrate data from one of these that is being retired; however the machine in question does not have a C compiler. We had C-Kermit versions 4 and 5 working on the Fortune 32:16 with OS versions 1.7 through 2.1, but that was before we started saving binaries. If anyone has a Fortune 32:16 with a C compiler or a Kermit binary for this machine, please contact me. Thanks! - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 18:54:31 EST 2002 Article: 13847 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 2.1 released Date: 14 Nov 2002 18:54:14 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037318055 10150 128.59.39.139 (14 Nov 2002 23:54:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Nov 2002 23:54:15 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13847 See the announcement on comp.protocols.kermit.announce, or here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95_21_ann.html or the Kermit 95 website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html (clear your browser cache to see the updated pages). - Frank From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Fri Nov 15 11:26:20 EST 2002 Article: 13848 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script Date: 14 Nov 2002 22:13:37 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211142213.f427a53@posting.google.com> References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> <8ce22d01.0211132107.1a569739@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037340818 8946 127.0.0.1 (15 Nov 2002 06:13:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2002 06:13:38 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13848 fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:... > In article <8ce22d01.0211132107.1a569739@posting.google.com>, > Dan Skinner wrote: > : ... > : Do you think success is the right answer to a failed login? > : The rules are the rules, but sometimes logic should prevail. > : > The primary purpose of the FTP OPEN command is to open an FTP connection. > If it succeeds in that, it doesn't fail. > > As a convenience -- and also for secure connection types -- authentication > can also be performed as a consequence of this command. This can succeed > or fail separately, and thus it's tested seperately. > > : When this script is done it will be run by cron as part of a scheduled > : backup on the network. I'll find out what happened by email so (as > : you say) if fail is a big deal and the more info in the email the > : better. I'm using Kermit FTP rather than native FTP for this reason. > : > Right, and of course you can have your Kermit script compose the email > message, plugging all sorts of relevant information into it from Kermit's > built-in variables ("show variables") and whatever else you want. > > - Frank Yup; Appreciated and agreed. BUT I would expect a function for which any part failed to yield a negative return code and which might allow me to check more thourghly if I care. If I can't use the result of the open in a subsequent function the result of the open should be fail? Regards...Dan. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 11:26:48 EST 2002 Article: 13850 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script Date: 15 Nov 2002 14:35:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> <8ce22d01.0211132107.1a569739@posting.google.com> <8ce22d01.0211142213.f427a53@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037370956 5009 128.59.39.2 (15 Nov 2002 14:35:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2002 14:35:56 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13850 In article <8ce22d01.0211142213.f427a53@posting.google.com>, Dan Skinner wrote: : Yup; : Appreciated and agreed. BUT I would expect a function for which any : part failed to yield a negative return code and which might allow me : to check more thourghly if I care. If I can't use the result of the : open in a subsequent function the result of the open should be fail? : Regards...Dan. Kermit commands are implemented to serve dual purposes . be convenient for interactive use . be scriptable These two purposes are often at odds. The FTP OPEN command is an example. For interactive use the FTP OPEN command is overloaded with numerous automatic behaviors that can take place after successful completion: autologin autoauthentication autoencryption None of these secondary functions can be tested with IF FAILURE. Instead they either must be tested by using variables or by disabling the automatic behaviors and executing them manually. For the FTP OPEN command to set the status to FAILURE after a connection to the server was opened, but because the autologin failed would leave the session with an OPEN connection. Subsequent FTP OPEN commands would then fail because there was already an open session. The script would not realize it must execute an FTP CLOSE command. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From dkcombs@panix.com Fri Nov 15 11:28:48 EST 2002 Article: 13849 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: (solaris-9) why must I be ROOT to run kermit? Date: 15 Nov 2002 03:01:53 -0500 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1037347313 17374 166.84.1.1 (15 Nov 2002 08:01:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13849 I'm running solaris-9 on a sun blade100. Seems like I cannot get kermit to work unless I become root. Any idea why? In fact, have you even *heard* of such a thing? (Is the same kermit, C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x, even the physically-same binary, that I had been using on the sparc5 under solaris-7.) Thanks, David PS: yes, I should be using a newer kermit, but shouldn't this old one work identically in both cases? From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 11:33:14 EST 2002 Article: 13851 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (solaris-9) why must I be ROOT to run kermit? Date: 15 Nov 2002 14:37:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037371048 5056 128.59.39.2 (15 Nov 2002 14:37:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2002 14:37:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13851 You will have to define in specific technical terms what the phrase "cannot get kermit to work" means before anyone will be able to offer useful advice. In article , David Combs wrote: : I'm running solaris-9 on a sun blade100. : : Seems like I cannot get kermit to work unless I : become root. : : Any idea why? In fact, have you even *heard* of : such a thing? : : (Is the same kermit, C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x, : even the physically-same binary, that I had been using on the sparc5 : under solaris-7.) : : Thanks, : : David : : PS: yes, I should be using a newer kermit, but shouldn't : this old one work identically in both cases? : : Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 11:33:17 EST 2002 Article: 13853 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (solaris-9) why must I be ROOT to run kermit? Date: 15 Nov 2002 11:33:02 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037377984 10060 128.59.39.139 (15 Nov 2002 16:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2002 16:33:04 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13853 In article , David Combs wrote: : I'm running solaris-9 on a sun blade100. : : Seems like I cannot get kermit to work unless I : become root. : : Any idea why? In fact, have you even *heard* of : such a thing? : By "work" you mean dial out? In that case, please read: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x10 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x11 Short version: If C-Kermit is to dial out, it must have the same owner, group, and permissions as the cu program so it can get access to the UUCP lockfile directory and the dialout devices themselves. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 11:33:21 EST 2002 Article: 13852 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script Date: 15 Nov 2002 11:28:43 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> <8ce22d01.0211142213.f427a53@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037377724 9877 128.59.39.139 (15 Nov 2002 16:28:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2002 16:28:44 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13852 In article , Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <8ce22d01.0211142213.f427a53@posting.google.com>, : Dan Skinner wrote: : : Appreciated and agreed. BUT I would expect a function for which any : : part failed to yield a negative return code and which might allow me : : to check more thourghly if I care. If I can't use the result of the : : open in a subsequent function the result of the open should be fail? : : Kermit commands are implemented to serve dual purposes : : . be convenient for interactive use : . be scriptable : ... Also the time for commenting on such things is during the long and open alpha and beta test periods. At this point, the FTP client has been in release for nearly a year and we can't change it now without breaking who-knows-how-many scripts. - Frank From jhaines@benplan.com Fri Nov 15 13:57:36 EST 2002 Article: 13854 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jhaines@benplan.com (John Haines) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-FTP and SSL Date: 15 Nov 2002 10:31:04 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 182 Message-ID: <684be77d.0211151031.2ed9f7b5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.136.79.238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037385064 1540 127.0.0.1 (15 Nov 2002 18:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2002 18:31:04 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13854 I saw a question on comp.protocols.kermit.misc in May about C-Kermit on AIX 4.3.3 using SSL with WS_FTP Server. I'm trying to perform the same thing and thought I would ask for some assistance. My goal is to have my AIX box be an FTP client to an NT WS_FTP Server using SSL with certificates. How do I setup Kermit (and OpenSSL) to send the signed certificate from my AIX client? If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Below is my environment AIX 4.3.3 OpenSSL 0.9.6g 9 Aug 2002 C-Kermit 8.0.206, 24 Oct 2002, for IBM AIX 4.3 Note: I could not find an AIX Kermit version with SSL, so I downloaded the kermit source and compiled it using gcc and make option aix43gcc+openssl WS_FTP Server 7.6 running on Windows NT I'm able to get Kermit and WS_FTP Server talking with SSL, but not using certificates. As soon as I tell WS_FTP to only accept connections with Certificates, everything falls apart. I have gotten WS_FTP Server and a Windows 98 WS_FTP Pro client working with certificates, but continue having problems with AIX. On the WS_FTP Server, I created a certificate and self-signed it. This worked between Server and Win98 client. On my AIX box I used the following to create a certificate request. openssl genrsa -des3 -rand ../random.file -out aixbox.key 2048 openssl req -new -config /usr/local/ssl/benplan.cnf -key aixbox.key -out aixbox.csr I then took the "aixbox.csr" and had my WS_FTP Server sign the certificate request. The signed certificate was named aixbox.signed.crt and placed on my AIX box. Below is my Kermit script. If I remove the SET AUTH SSL VERIFY-FILE statement and turn off certificate checking on the WS_FTP Server, I can get a connection working. My goal is to be able to send a certificate? #!/usr/local/bin/krbmit + set transfer display brief SET AUTH TLS VERBOSE ON SET AUTH TLS DEBUG ON SET AUTH SSL VERBOSE ON SET AUTH SSL DEBUG ON SET AUTH SSL VERIFY-FILE sslkeys/aixbox.signed.crt SET FTP AUTOAUTHENTICATION ON SET FTP AUTHTYPE SSL TLS SET FTP AUTOLOGIN OFF SET FTP AUTOENCRYPTION ON SET FTP COMMAND-PROTECTION-LEVEL PRIVATE SET FTP DATA-PROTECTION-LEVEL PRIVATE SET FTP VERBOSE ON SET FTP DEBUG ON ftp open U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com 21 /user:kuser /password:/passwd if fail exit 1 Connection failed: \v(ftp_message) if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 Login failed ftp get /binary testfile.txt if fail exit 1 ftp GET testfile.txt: \v(ftp_message) ftp bye exit ----------------------------------------------------------------- Below is the output from running the script ----------------------------------------------------------------- ?Cannot set protection level to PRIVATE ?Cannot set protection level to PRIVATE Connected to U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com. 220 U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxxx.com X2 WS_FTP Server 3.1.3 (1300416223) ---> AUTH SSL 234 SSL enabled and waiting for negotiation SSL accepted as authentication type SSL DEBUG ACTIVE =>START SSL/TLS connect on COMMAND SSL_handshake:UNKWN before/connect initialization SSL_connect:UNKWN before/connect initialization SSL_connect:3WCH_A SSLv3 write client hello A SSL_connect:3RSH_A SSLv3 read server hello A ssl:client_verify_callback:depth=0 ok=0 err=18-self signed certificate Certificate[0] subject=/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company/L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Em ail=haines@xxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com Certificate[0] issuer =/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company/L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Em ail=haines@xxxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com Warning: Server has a self-signed certificate [0] subject=/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company/L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Email=haines @xxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com[0] issuer=/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company /L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Email=haines@xxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com Continue? (Y/N) y ssl:client_verify_callback => ok: 1 ssl:client_verify_callback:depth=0 ok=1 err=18-self signed certificate ssl:client_verify_callback => ok: 1 SSL_connect:3RSC_A SSLv3 read server certificate A SSL_connect:3RSKEA SSLv3 read server key exchange A SSL_connect:3RCR_A SSLv3 read server certificate request A SSL_connect:3RSD_A SSLv3 read server done A SSL_write_alert SSL_connect:3WCC_A SSLv3 write client certificate A SSL_connect:3WCKEA SSLv3 write client key exchange A SSL_connect:3WCCSA SSLv3 write change cipher spec A SSL_connect:3WFINA SSLv3 write finished A SSL_connect:3FLUSH SSLv3 flush data SSL_read_alert SSL_connect:failed in 3RFINA SSLv3 read finished A ftp: SSL/TLS connect COMMAND error: error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES: sslv3 alert handshake failure =>DONE SSL/TLS connect on COMMAND SSL authentication failed Connected to U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com. 220 U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxxx.com X2 WS_FTP Server 3.1.3 (1300419582) ---> AUTH TLS 234 SSL enabled and waiting for negotiation TLS accepted as authentication type SSL DEBUG ACTIVE =>START SSL/TLS connect on COMMAND SSL_handshake:UNKWN before/connect initialization SSL_connect:UNKWN before/connect initialization SSL_connect:3WCH_A SSLv3 write client hello A SSL_connect:3RSH_A SSLv3 read server hello A ssl:client_verify_callback:depth=0 ok=0 err=18-self signed certificate Certificate[0] subject=/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company/L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Em ail=haines@xxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com Certificate[0] issuer =/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company/L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Em ail=haines@xxxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxxx.com Warning: Server has a self-signed certificate [0] subject=/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company/L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Email=haines @xxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com[0] issuer=/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company /L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Email=jhaines@xxxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com Continue? (Y/N) y ssl:client_verify_callback => ok: 1 ssl:client_verify_callback:depth=0 ok=1 err=18-self signed certificate ssl:client_verify_callback => ok: 1 SSL_connect:3RSC_A SSLv3 read server certificate A SSL_connect:3RSKEA SSLv3 read server key exchange A SSL_connect:3RCR_A SSLv3 read server certificate request A SSL_connect:3RSD_A SSLv3 read server done A SSL_write_alert SSL_connect:3WCC_A SSLv3 write client certificate A SSL_connect:3WCKEA SSLv3 write client key exchange A SSL_connect:3WCCSA SSLv3 write change cipher spec A SSL_connect:3WFINA SSLv3 write finished A SSL_connect:3FLUSH SSLv3 flush data SSL_read_alert SSL_connect:failed in 3RFINA SSLv3 read finished A ftp: SSL/TLS connect COMMAND error: error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES: sslv3 alert handshake failure =>DONE SSL/TLS connect on COMMAND TLS authentication failed Connected to U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com. 220 U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com X2 WS_FTP Server 3.1.3 (1300421988) Login failed ---> QUIT 221 Good-Bye John Haines Systems Engineer Benefit Planners (210) 487-7232 phone From jhaines@benplan.com Fri Nov 15 15:42:31 EST 2002 Article: 13855 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jhaines@benplan.com (John Haines) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (solaris-9) why must I be ROOT to run kermit? Date: 15 Nov 2002 11:38:59 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 41 Message-ID: <684be77d.0211151138.3d0c42a7@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.136.79.238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037389139 6898 127.0.0.1 (15 Nov 2002 19:38:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2002 19:38:59 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13855 If you are trying to use a modem with kermit, you might be having problems because you are not part of the uucp group when you are trying to access the modem. When you are root, then there is no problem accessing the modem. I had similar problems. I had to make my operators part of the uucp group, so they could run my kermit scripts. jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:... > You will have to define in specific technical terms what > the phrase "cannot get kermit to work" means before anyone > will be able to offer useful advice. > > In article , > David Combs wrote: > : I'm running solaris-9 on a sun blade100. > : > : Seems like I cannot get kermit to work unless I > : become root. > : > : Any idea why? In fact, have you even *heard* of > : such a thing? > : > : (Is the same kermit, C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x, > : even the physically-same binary, that I had been using on the sparc5 > : under solaris-7.) > : > : Thanks, > : > : David > : > : PS: yes, I should be using a newer kermit, but shouldn't > : this old one work identically in both cases? > : > : > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 15:42:52 EST 2002 Article: 13856 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-FTP and SSL Date: 15 Nov 2002 20:37:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <684be77d.0211151031.2ed9f7b5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037392622 21561 128.59.39.2 (15 Nov 2002 20:37:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2002 20:37:02 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13856 In article <684be77d.0211151031.2ed9f7b5@posting.google.com>, John Haines wrote: : I saw a question on comp.protocols.kermit.misc in May about C-Kermit : on AIX 4.3.3 using SSL with WS_FTP Server. I'm trying to perform the : same thing and thought I would ask for some assistance. My goal is to : have my AIX box be an FTP client to an NT WS_FTP Server using SSL with : certificates. How do I setup Kermit (and OpenSSL) to send the signed : certificate from my AIX client? Read http://www.kermit-project.org/security.html to learn how to configure Kermit to use certificates. SET AUTH TLS RSA-CERT-FILE .... SET AUTH TLS RSA-KEY-FILE .... Then your script below will be fine but do not specify both SSL and TLS as AUTH types. You only need to try to negotiate once. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Sat Nov 16 12:57:38 EST 2002 Article: 13857 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 95 2.1 Date: 15 Nov 2002 18:40:07 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211151840.1c07ae35@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037414407 5709 127.0.0.1 (16 Nov 2002 02:40:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Nov 2002 02:40:07 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13857 I downloaded K95_21_crypto_upg.exe and tried to run. I get the can't locate path of the previous install -aborting- message. K95 2.0 is installed and running from c:\program files\Kermit 95 2.0 There is a c:\K95 directory which contains scripts and links. I renamed c:\K95 and tried install to no avail. Have I overlooked something obvious? Regards...Dan. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Nov 16 12:57:40 EST 2002 Article: 13858 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 95 2.1 Date: 16 Nov 2002 04:14:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0211151840.1c07ae35@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037420071 9538 128.59.39.2 (16 Nov 2002 04:14:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Nov 2002 04:14:31 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13858 Is K95 2.0 registered? Is K95.exe, k95g.exe or k95dial.exe currently in use? Are the files marked read-only? In article <8ce22d01.0211151840.1c07ae35@posting.google.com>, Dan Skinner wrote: : I downloaded K95_21_crypto_upg.exe and tried to run. : I get the can't locate path of the previous install -aborting- : message. : K95 2.0 is installed and running from c:\program files\Kermit 95 2.0 : There is a c:\K95 directory which contains scripts and links. I : renamed c:\K95 and tried install to no avail. : Have I overlooked something obvious? : Regards...Dan. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Sat Nov 16 12:57:43 EST 2002 Article: 13859 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 95 2.1 Date: 16 Nov 2002 07:42:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211160742.9a5ac0b@posting.google.com> References: <8ce22d01.0211151840.1c07ae35@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037461325 30078 127.0.0.1 (16 Nov 2002 15:42:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Nov 2002 15:42:05 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13859 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:... > Is K95 2.0 registered? Yes > > Is K95.exe, k95g.exe or k95dial.exe currently in use? No - It's W98 so I even did power off restart. > > Are the files marked read-only? No. Thanks Jeffrey; This machine is involved in the development process, so sometimes wierd things happen. If you can tell me what must or must not be present I'll look. Are there any registry entries involved? Regards...Dan. > > > In article <8ce22d01.0211151840.1c07ae35@posting.google.com>, > Dan Skinner wrote: > : I downloaded K95_21_crypto_upg.exe and tried to run. > : I get the can't locate path of the previous install -aborting- > : message. > : K95 2.0 is installed and running from c:\program files\Kermit 95 2.0 > : There is a c:\K95 directory which contains scripts and links. I > : renamed c:\K95 and tried install to no avail. > : Have I overlooked something obvious? > : Regards...Dan. > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From cmosley@unix01.voicenet.com Sat Nov 16 13:12:34 EST 2002 Article: 13860 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news2.voicenet.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: funny thing Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990216 ("Styrofoam") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4m)) Lines: 8 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:21:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@voicenet.com X-Trace: news2.voicenet.com 1037467281 209.71.48.250 (Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:21:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:21:21 EST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13860 Can't download files named con or con.*** (con.anything) they are written to the screen. I am guessing it has something to do with "console" This happens when i use kermit -s file or use kermit interactively. I am downloading from SunOS 5.8 ckermit to mskermit. Thanks From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Nov 16 13:12:37 EST 2002 Article: 13861 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: funny thing Date: 16 Nov 2002 13:12:15 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037470337 12778 128.59.39.139 (16 Nov 2002 18:12:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Nov 2002 18:12:17 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13861 In article , Christopher Mosley wrote: : Can't download files named con or con.*** (con.anything) : they are written to the screen. I am guessing it has something to do : with "console" This happens when i use kermit -s file or use kermit : interactively. I am downloading from SunOS 5.8 ckermit to : mskermit. : It's a feature of DOS (and Windows). The same thing happens with other DOS device names: PRN, LPT, etc. If you were using Kermit 95, you'd get a popup saying: con This file name is a reserved device name. Please choose another name. and a Save As dialog to let you specify a different name (as long as FILE AUTODOWNLOAD was set to its default value of ASK). For unattended batch transfers, however, it could be problem. I believe the only way around this is to have Kermit rename the file as part of the transfer process, because you just plain can't have disk file called "con" or con-dot-anything. The renaming can be accomplished at either the sending end or the receiving end with as-names, either on the command line: kermit -s con -a x.con or in the command language: send con x.con or: send /as-name:x.con con or with templates, which are explained here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x4.1 - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Nov 16 15:44:32 EST 2002 Article: 13862 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: recursive rm | wildcards | common file extension Date: 16 Nov 2002 15:43:33 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3dd576c6.90242792@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037479415 18825 128.59.39.139 (16 Nov 2002 20:43:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Nov 2002 20:43:35 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:571649 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13862 In article , Hansjoerg Lipp wrote: : Richard Pitt wrote: : > I use : > find . -name "*.abc" -print | xargs rm -f : : You should use : : find . -name "*.abc" -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f : : to prevent that file names with spaces are interpreted as several files : by the xargs command. : As noted, you can delete files recursively using find, xargs, and rm -- three programs, whose syntax and interactions might vary from one Unix version to another, and as you can see from this discussion, the details and quoting rules can be confusing. The same thing can be done in a more straightforward way at the C-Kermit> prompt: delete /recursive *.abc Plus you get a lot more options for selecting which files to delete: C-Kermit>delete ? File specification; or switch, one of the following: /after: /except: /nodotfiles /not-before: /summary /ask /heading /noheading /page /tree /before: /larger-than: /nolist /recursive /type: /directories /list /nopage /simulate /dotfiles /noask /not-after: /smaller-than: C-Kermit>delete Dates, sizes, etc; whether to include or exclude dot files and directory files; exception lists; optional interactive prompting; various listing options. Of particular interest is a simulation mode, allowing you to see which files WOULD be deleted without actually deleting them. Another unique feature is the /TYPE:{TEXT,BINARY,ALL} option, which lets you pick only text files or only binary files for deletion (in addition to your other criteria). C-Kermit is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html - Frank From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Sun Nov 17 14:14:45 EST 2002 Article: 13863 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.optus.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.220.101.145 Message-ID: <3dd71b02@news.comindico.com.au> X-Original-Trace: 17 Nov 2002 15:28:50 +1000, 203.220.101.145 Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:28:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.194.27.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comindico.com.au X-Trace: news.optus.net.au 1037507334 203.194.27.1 (Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:28:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:28:54 EST Organization: Comindico Australia - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@comindico.com.au Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13863 Frank da Cruz wrote: [snip] > Who remembers SNOBOL? Kermit scripts are kind of like that: with > each statement, you should consider what should be done next if it > succeeds and what should be done if it fails. > > - Frank Yes, the great string processing language with an interpreter written in VAX assembly language. Arthur. From msapiro@value.net Sun Nov 17 14:14:56 EST 2002 Article: 13864 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!bcandid.telisphere.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DD728B6.B4C23EFF@value.net> From: Mark Sapiro Organization: Not Very Much X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit FTP script References: <8ce22d01.0211131301.2d2c8112@posting.google.com> <3dd71b02@news.comindico.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 05:14:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telisphere.com X-Trace: bcandid.telisphere.com 1037510087 209.182.169.133 (Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:14:47 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:14:47 PST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13864 Arthur Marsh wrote: > > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > [snip] > > > Who remembers SNOBOL? Kermit scripts are kind of like that: with > > each statement, you should consider what should be done next if it > > succeeds and what should be done if it fails. > > > > - Frank > > Yes, the great string processing language with an interpreter written in > VAX assembly language. > > Arthur. Actually, SNOBOL way predates the VAX and even the PDP 11. My first encounter with SNOBOL was on the IBM 7040/7094 DCS at UC Berkeley around 1966. If I recall correctly, the interpreter was actually written as macros. To port it to a new machine you needed a macro assembler and you needed to define each of the macros to do the proper thing. Some friends of mine were working on a CDC 6400 implementation at the time. Thanks for the memories... -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From not-a-real-address@usa.net Mon Nov 18 09:00:53 EST 2002 Article: 13865 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!oleane.net!oleane!freenix!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: those who know me have no need of my name Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (solaris-9) why must I be ROOT to run kermit? Date: 17 Nov 2002 22:24:59 GMT Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: <684be77d.0211151138.3d0c42a7@posting.google.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Military Intelligence, i686-redhat-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13865 in comp.protocols.kermit.misc i read: >If you are trying to use a modem with kermit, you might be having >problems because you are not part of the uucp group when you are >trying to access the modem. When you are root, then there is no >problem accessing the modem. I had similar problems. >I had to make my operators part of the uucp group, so they could run my >kermit scripts. that's one way. the installation instructions describe the more general solution. -- bringing you boring signatures for 17 years From jhaines@benplan.com Mon Nov 18 12:32:28 EST 2002 Article: 13866 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jhaines@benplan.com (John Haines) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-FTP and SSL Date: 18 Nov 2002 08:59:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 60 Message-ID: <684be77d.0211180859.13f8daff@posting.google.com> References: <684be77d.0211151031.2ed9f7b5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.136.79.238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037638767 25649 127.0.0.1 (18 Nov 2002 16:59:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Nov 2002 16:59:27 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13866 Thanks! The SET AUTH TLS RSA-CERT-FILE and SET AUTH TLS RSA-KEY-FILE worked. I have been reading the http://www.kermit-project.org/security.html to learn how to get all this working, but there are lots of options. Just needed a little nudge to get going in the right direction! Thanks again. A few more questions. I want to automated the entire connection and transfer process. However, with SSL enabled connections, you are asked for your private passphrase when making a connection. To eliminate the prompting for the phassphrase I unencrypted the private key and placed it in a secure place. I used the following command to create the unencrypted private key file. openssl dsa -in encrypted-key-file -out unencrypted-key-file Is this the correct way to accomplish this? Now, I have only one more prompt to eliminate. We are generating our own certificate for our FTP Server. How do I eliminate this warning? Warning: Server has a self-signed certificate [0] subject=/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company/L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Email=haines @xxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com[0] issuer=/C=US/ST=Texas/O=The Company /L=San Antonio/OU=MIS/Email=haines@xxxxxxxx.com/CN=U216JYFZB040.xxxxxxxx.com Continue? (Y/N) y This is probably more of an openssl question, but any insight may be of assistance. Thanks again for the help. jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:... > In article <684be77d.0211151031.2ed9f7b5@posting.google.com>, > John Haines wrote: > : I saw a question on comp.protocols.kermit.misc in May about C-Kermit > : on AIX 4.3.3 using SSL with WS_FTP Server. I'm trying to perform the > : same thing and thought I would ask for some assistance. My goal is to > : have my AIX box be an FTP client to an NT WS_FTP Server using SSL with > : certificates. How do I setup Kermit (and OpenSSL) to send the signed > : certificate from my AIX client? > > Read http://www.kermit-project.org/security.html to learn how to > configure Kermit to use certificates. > > > Then your script below will be fine but do not specify both SSL and TLS > as AUTH types. You only need to try to negotiate once. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Nov 18 18:34:45 EST 2002 Article: 13867 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-FTP and SSL Date: 18 Nov 2002 23:32:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <684be77d.0211151031.2ed9f7b5@posting.google.com> <684be77d.0211180859.13f8daff@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037662326 17872 128.59.39.2 (18 Nov 2002 23:32:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Nov 2002 23:32:06 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13867 In article <684be77d.0211180859.13f8daff@posting.google.com>, John Haines wrote: : A few more questions. I want to automated the entire connection and : transfer process. However, with SSL enabled connections, you are : asked for your private passphrase when making a connection. To : eliminate the prompting for the phassphrase I unencrypted the private : key and placed it in a secure place. I used the following command to : create the unencrypted private key file. : : openssl dsa -in encrypted-key-file -out unencrypted-key-file : : Is this the correct way to accomplish this? yes : Now, I have only one more : prompt to eliminate. We are generating our own certificate for our : FTP Server. How do I eliminate this warning? You create a CA certificate; you use it to sign your host's Cert Request and produce a Host Cert; then you add your CA cert to the verify list on the client. All described in http://www.kermit-project.org/security.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer Kermit 95 2.0 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From sol@adldata.com Tue Nov 19 12:02:02 EST 2002 Article: 13874 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!66.250.146.10.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DDA6E92.85E9E9FF@adldata.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:02:10 -0500 From: Sol Gongola Organization: adl data systems inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,hebrew MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NO CARRIER with kermit on Alpha DS10 with VMS 7.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: nntp.acecape.com!unknown@www.adldata.com X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 16a990d1.news.newshosting.com X-Trace: DXC=XV9R_Kb2[WG^]]^a40nNHNXMDXCI2J8LCXkcEe:=NIiKd6>lKS5F?jLL\E`MXM6h;Lh4Dgfd References: <3DDA6E92.85E9E9FF@adldata.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037725319 5625 128.59.39.139 (19 Nov 2002 17:01:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Nov 2002 17:01:59 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13875 In article <3DDA6E92.85E9E9FF@adldata.com>, Sol Gongola wrote: : A kermit script worked fine on an alpha 2000, vms 7.2-1 and : kermit (probably 6.0.192), at&t dataport 14.4 modem. : : After moving to a DS10 with vms 7.3, same modem, the script : hung with the dial command and timed out. : So the computer is what changed. : We installed ckermit 8.0.206 and still had the problem. : Doing a connect and issuing AT dial commands also failed : with a NO CARRIER message. We tried setting 'set carrier-watch off' : and 'set modem carrier-watch off' (are they the same?) : Yes. : and still got the same problem. : NO CARRIER means the local modem placed the call, the call was answered, but a data connection was not negotiated with the other modem. : Did something change in the DS10 cabling requirements or : does VMS 7.3 have different setups for modme dialout? : How can i fix this? : Use "set dial display on" to watch the dialog between Kermit and the modem. If Kermit is giving commands to the modem and the modem is reponding with OK and then dialing, Kermit is doing its job. The problem is outside Kermit. - Frank From steve@baus-systems.com Thu Nov 21 09:23:11 EST 2002 Article: 13881 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:06:53 -0600 From: "Steve" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: W2K issue? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:07:47 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8Qudna88DOMQiEGgXTWc3A@giganews.com> Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.93.87.103 X-Trace: sv3-20c60EvAbwGEjf9VnHlDtdnDOG6wgv+G1dEWFQWbM8C6fdTebYYWooTYfHjJWWAMuu7EiDtk4j/TFJx!auai2zfgVdjsQNhPJ/yhEHnuaTPJkvd6VcpKO4YD5CNMsIbgZ/ljRF45wRlCZhBf5qj+1DbMvNUh!Jg4g96yQ0J8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13881 I have K95 installed on a PC that was just upgraded from Win 98 to Win 2K. There is an internal 3Com modem installed that I have been using to receive files doing a basic kermit file transfer by setting the PC in server mode and letting the calling PC control the process. I have a script on the W2K PC that sets the port to tapi, sets the speed, uses the output command to send Hayes AT settings, including S0=1, to the modem and then puts it in server mode. Worked fine until the upgrade. Now the modem will not auto answer. I have tried setting the modem type and port and still nothing. I know the phone line is OK as I can issue a dial command at the K95 prompt and that works. I have removed the modem and let Windows re install and still nothing. Anyone have any idea why this is happening or what I should look at? Thanks, Steve From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Nov 21 09:23:13 EST 2002 Article: 13883 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: W2K issue? Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:23:07 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <8Qudna88DOMQiEGgXTWc3A@giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1037888589 27614 128.59.39.139 (21 Nov 2002 14:23:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Nov 2002 14:23:09 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13883 In article <8Qudna88DOMQiEGgXTWc3A@giganews.com>, Steve wrote: : I have K95 installed on a PC that was just upgraded from Win 98 to Win 2K. : There is an internal 3Com modem installed that I have been using to receive : files doing a basic kermit file transfer by setting the PC in server mode : and letting the calling PC control the process. : Which version of K95? : I have a script on the W2K : PC that sets the port to tapi, sets the speed, uses the output command to : send Hayes AT settings, including S0=1 to the modem and then puts it in : server mode. : You shouldn't need to send AT commands to the modem. Just: set port tapi set speed 57600 ; or whatever set dial display on ; so you can watch what happens answer if success server : Worked fine until the upgrade. Now the modem will not auto : answer. I have tried setting the modem type and port and still nothing. I : know the phone line is OK as I can issue a dial command at the K95 prompt : and that works. I have removed the modem and let Windows re install and : still nothing. : Try the sample shown above; watch the Kermit/modem dialog and see if it offers any clues. - Frank From steve@baus-systems.com Thu Nov 21 12:28:30 EST 2002 Article: 13884 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:16:13 -0600 From: "Steve" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <8Qudna88DOMQiEGgXTWc3A@giganews.com> Subject: Re: W2K issue? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:17:36 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.93.87.103 X-Trace: sv3-wAZUXOcIO0N3piA/8NtkjizbyFhGuG7my6jPR0X+SG4pw3B8m87msNfffZpjQHCEzmItzHQsDEzcwtb!kXdLEhe1OG3Cv2X/r6unNPwZxA/zXjWOJqExvHLt7J163t2U9PvBmC4zPdot/IUUepF2kds7O9B+!kpAwsYTPw1k= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13884 Frank, The answer command seemed to do the trick. That modem did not want to accept some of the AT commands I wanted to use. I need to learn to let K95 and Windows work with the modem the way they see best and let loose of my stranglehold of control over how I think it should work. Thanks again, Steve "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:ariq8b$3km$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu... > In article <8Qudna88DOMQiEGgXTWc3A@giganews.com>, > Steve wrote: > : I have K95 installed on a PC that was just upgraded from Win 98 to Win 2K. > : There is an internal 3Com modem installed that I have been using to receive > : files doing a basic kermit file transfer by setting the PC in server mode > : and letting the calling PC control the process. > : > Which version of K95? > > : I have a script on the W2K > : PC that sets the port to tapi, sets the speed, uses the output command to > : send Hayes AT settings, including S0=1 to the modem and then puts it in > : server mode. > : > You shouldn't need to send AT commands to the modem. Just: > > set port tapi > set speed 57600 ; or whatever > set dial display on ; so you can watch what happens > answer > if success server > From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Fri Nov 22 10:46:09 EST 2002 Article: 13885 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Linux/SCO Unix/Windows/Kermit puzzle with remote print Date: 21 Nov 2002 16:37:53 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211211637.1c908da9@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037925473 28187 127.0.0.1 (22 Nov 2002 00:37:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Nov 2002 00:37:53 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13885 I have a process which sends a print image file from Unix machine to Windows machine to be printed on the Windows machine printer. The file is sent via kermit from Unix machine to willing Windows K95 The following is unix side script: ------------------------ set script echo off set term byte 8 set command byte 8 set rec pac 1000 set send pac 1000 set window 4 set file type binary set file display full remote print \&@[3] quit ------------------------ unix side command: unix silent kermit -s t-sel-file -a t-dos-file -v 2 -q. ------------------------ K95 launch scripts are not the same but very similar. printer commands are the same. SCO OpenServer 5.04 C-Kermit 8.0.201 Linux (Mandrake 8.1) C-Kermit 8.0.206 W98SE K95 2.1.0 This works (GREAT!) from the SCO machine. Doesn't work from Linux machine. Further investigation proves the file is transfered from Linux to Windows but it doesn't print. Type command on the file to LPT1 prints the file. Suggestions? Regards...Dan. From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Fri Nov 22 10:46:12 EST 2002 Article: 13886 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux/SCO Unix/Windows/Kermit puzzle with remote print Date: 22 Nov 2002 07:06:16 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0211220706.44edfa66@posting.google.com> References: <8ce22d01.0211211637.1c908da9@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1037977576 318 127.0.0.1 (22 Nov 2002 15:06:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Nov 2002 15:06:16 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13886 > Suggestions? > > Regards...Dan. Yup - Get Some Sleep!! A fresh look this morning finds that the problem is the Unix Kermit command, It is Wrong!! Not incorrect but the wrong one in the program!! When I looked at the right one in the program the problem was obvious. The application supports both Kermit and ProComm emulators and because it is a Linux machine TERM=linux not an SCO machine TERM=ansic it was using the ProComm case rather than the Linux case. I am chagrinned! Sorry to waste your time. Regards…Dan. From Stefan.Bill@soudronic.com Mon Nov 25 11:06:25 EST 2002 Article: 13889 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!mail.soudronic.COM!not-for-mail From: Stefan Bill Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Send a String after connection (OpenVMS) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:45:09 +0100 Lines: 76 Message-ID: <4fg4uu8uem7rovuuc41u7nkth9v4i0g930@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.soudronic.com (212.59.128.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1038239110 23421840 212.59.128.3 (16 [70952]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/32.572 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13889 Hi For my Pager, i need to send a string after i connect with a modem. The String-Format ::Pager-Number::Message:: is given to me from the Paging-Service and works fine over X.25 Paging-Service ist Telepage Swiss On the tta0 is a Zyxel U-1496 Modem installed. But my pager receives no message. The Format and the Number are the right ones, over X.25 that work. What's wrong with my script. Thank you for any hints. Script: (pager.ksh) --------- set take echo on set modem type zyxel set line tta0: set carrier-watch off set speed 9600 SET DIAL DISPLAY ON dial 0740900103 OUTPUT ::Pager-Nummer::Message::\13 wait 5 exit --------- Following is the output from the call: AX1>kermit pager.ksc 2. set modem type zyxel 3. set line tta0: 4. set carrier-watch off 5. set speed 9600 6. SET DIAL DISPLAY ON 7. dial 0740900103 Trying: 0740900103... Device: _AXFI01$TTA0:, modem: zyxel, speed: 9600 Dial timeout: 70 seconds To cancel: type Ctrl-C (hold down Ctrl, press C). +++ 0++ATQ0H0 Modem hangup OK Initializing: 16:37:47... ATQ0 0 AT&H4 0 ATQ0E1&S1&N0X5&Y1 0 AT&K3 0 AT&K4 0 ATM1L2 0 ATS2=43S7=70 0 Dialing: 16:37:59... ATD0740900103 12 Call complete: 16:38:18. 8. OUTPUT ::Number::TESTMESSAGE:: 9. wait 5 010. exit AX1> From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Nov 25 11:06:28 EST 2002 Article: 13890 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send a String after connection (OpenVMS) Date: 25 Nov 2002 11:06:20 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <4fg4uu8uem7rovuuc41u7nkth9v4i0g930@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038240382 10302 128.59.39.139 (25 Nov 2002 16:06:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Nov 2002 16:06:22 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13890 In article <4fg4uu8uem7rovuuc41u7nkth9v4i0g930@4ax.com>, Stefan Bill wrote: : For my Pager, i need to send a string after i connect with a modem. : : The String-Format ::Pager-Number::Message:: is given to me from the : Paging-Service and works fine over X.25 : Paging-Service ist Telepage Swiss : : On the tta0 is a Zyxel U-1496 Modem installed. : : But my pager receives no message. : The Format and the Number are the right ones, over X.25 that work. : : What's wrong with my script. : : Thank you for any hints. : : Script: (pager.ksh) : --------- : set take echo on : set modem type zyxel : set line tta0: : set carrier-watch off : set speed 9600 : SET DIAL DISPLAY ON : dial 0740900103 : OUTPUT ::Pager-Nummer::Message::\13 : wait 5 : exit : I suspect the pager number and message must be included as part of the telephone number. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html - Frank From Stefan.Bill@soudronic.com Tue Nov 26 09:10:21 EST 2002 Article: 13891 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!mail.soudronic.COM!not-for-mail From: Stefan Bill Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send a String after connection (OpenVMS) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:55:18 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <4fg4uu8uem7rovuuc41u7nkth9v4i0g930@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.soudronic.com (212.59.128.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1038300918 23660255 212.59.128.3 (16 [70952]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/32.572 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13891 On 25 Nov 2002 11:06:20 -0500, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >I suspect the pager number and message must be included as part of the >telephone number. See: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html Now i do it over X.25 like so. USER1 is the Pager-Nummer. $ open/write ofil sprintel.tmp $ write ofil "$set host/x29 46430973" $ write ofil "::''USER1'::''message'::" $ close ofil $ @sprintel.tmp And i think it must be possible do it the same way with a modem. Stefan From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Nov 26 09:10:24 EST 2002 Article: 13892 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send a String after connection (OpenVMS) Date: 26 Nov 2002 09:10:14 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <4fg4uu8uem7rovuuc41u7nkth9v4i0g930@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038319819 10757 128.59.39.139 (26 Nov 2002 14:10:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Nov 2002 14:10:19 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13892 In article , Stefan Bill wrote: : On 25 Nov 2002 11:06:20 -0500, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : >I suspect the pager number and message must be included as part of the : >telephone number. See: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html : : Now i do it over X.25 like so. : USER1 is the Pager-Nummer. : : $ open/write ofil sprintel.tmp : $ write ofil "$set host/x29 46430973" : $ write ofil "::''USER1'::''message'::" : $ close ofil : $ @sprintel.tmp : : And i think it must be possible do it the same way with a modem. : X.25 is not a modem, and DCL is not Kermit. Please follow the advice in the above referenced Web page, and then if you have any trouble with it, let us know. - Frank From tom.horsley@att.net Wed Nov 27 08:55:51 EST 2002 Article: 13893 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Sender: tom@SPIKE Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: does agent forwarding work? From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 6289e83665bccd709976c325f892648b X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1038361806 6289e83665bccd709976c325f892648b (Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:50:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:50:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:50:06 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13893 Playing around with the new kermit 95, and I can indeed get the agent to store my keys locally, but when I try the following: set ssh agent-forwarding on ssh agent add \v(appdata)ssh/id_dsa (get passphrase prompt here) ssh open IP-ADDR I get connected to the remote system, but if I run ssh-add on the remote system, I get: "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." (the remote system is redhat linux with all the latest updates for openssh). If I try a PuTTY connection (that's a competing product :-), to the same remote system with ssh agent forwarding turned on and using the pagent agent, I see a SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable, and I can run ssh-add with no problems. -- >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | Free Software and Politics <<==+ From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 27 08:55:57 EST 2002 Article: 13894 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: does agent forwarding work? Date: 27 Nov 2002 05:15:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038374123 18759 128.59.39.2 (27 Nov 2002 05:15:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2002 05:15:23 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13894 K95 does not support remote agent proxies. In article , Thomas A. Horsley wrote: : Playing around with the new kermit 95, and I can indeed get the agent to : store my keys locally, but when I try the following: : : set ssh agent-forwarding on : ssh agent add \v(appdata)ssh/id_dsa (get passphrase prompt here) : ssh open IP-ADDR : : I get connected to the remote system, but if I run ssh-add on the remote : system, I get: : : "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." : : (the remote system is redhat linux with all the latest updates : for openssh). : : If I try a PuTTY connection (that's a competing product :-), to the same : remote system with ssh agent forwarding turned on and using the pagent : agent, I see a SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable, and I can run ssh-add : with no problems. : -- : >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ : email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | : Free Software and Politics <<==+ Jeffrey Altman * Volunteer Developer Kermit 95 2.1 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 1 12:18:25 EST 2002 Article: 13896 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: 1 Dec 2002 10:11:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 208 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038737513 26273 128.59.39.2 (1 Dec 2002 10:11:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Dec 2002 10:11:53 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13896 1 December 2002: Today marks the end of a significant period in my life. For the last eight years I have been privileged to work on and support Kermit as my career. I began working for Columbia University after nearly seven years as a Kermit user and eventually as primary developer of OS/2 C-Kermit which became the basis for Kermit 95 on Windows 95/98/ME and Windows NT4/2000/XP. During this time the Kermit project shipped 23 releases. The initial version of K95 was shipped on Oct 5, 1995 just seven months after I joined Columbia University. K95 was not only a port of OS/2 C-Kermit to Windows but an attempt to make C-Kermit easy to understand for beginners by adding a Graphic Front End and to do so in a manner that would be inherently cross platform. Back then our dreams were to build a front end that could be supported on OS/2 and 32-bit Windows with the ability to easily port it to MacOS and X-Windows. At the time our development platform had to be selected Java was not even announced to the world. (That occurred in early August 1995.) We selected Zinc as our cross platfrom development environment. Unfortunately, cross platform development environments that wrap existing OS components tend to be lowest common denominator feature sets and result in apps that are not entirely what the end user expects. (Java discovered this with the original AWT library and eventually constructed the Swing library to avoid the OS dependencies.) For Kermit, the reliance on Zinc allowed us to easily support both OS/2 and Windows but resulted in significant compromises in features as the years went on. The Zinc library was not only LCD but also suffered from two significant problems: . it is a memory and gui resource hog . the authors never checked memory buffer overwrites These two issues resulted in significant problems in pre-1.1.21 releases of Kermit 95. First, as the number of configurable items in the Settings Notebook increased the required gui resource allocation increased to more than 30% of the total gui resources available on Windows 95/98/ME. This would result in unpredictable crashes. The memory overwrite bugs were primarily caused by a failure to allocate enough memory for path names. The Zinc library was originally developed to support DOS, 16-bit Windows, and OS/2. The 8.3 filename restrictions coupled with the limited drive space available on those systems resulted in short pathnames. It seems they never anticipated that anyone would want a pathname greater than 64 characters. Now with todays GUIs coupled with removal of the 8.3 restrictions it is common for the filename to be 64 characters not even considering the rest of the pathname. The memory overwrites produced data corruption in the Zinc databases that stored the Connection Configurations. The problems became more obvious as users switched to Windows 2000 and began to install K95 in directories with long pathnames or across network shares access via UNC names. For 1.1.21 and later these issues were addressed by a combination of extensive debugging of the Zinc libraries coupled with limiting the number of GUI resources allocated at once. It is due to the latter that the Settings Notebook was broken up into separate (although annoying) settings pages. I'm not going to say that the choice of Zinc was a disaster, but in hindsight it would have been better if the decision to use Zinc could have been put off until Java for desktop development began to stablize. However, waiting until mid-1997 was not an option and now that Zinc has been deployed Kermit 95 has become dependent on its database format. Any attempt to migrate to something else would require either abandoning the existing user data or re-implementing the Zinc database format in the new language. Neither are desireable, nor did we ever have the resources. The use of Zinc did succeed in its initial goals: construct a GUI front end for C-Kermit that would reduce the need for end users to understand the C-Kermit command language in order to configure and establish connections to hosts over a wide range of connection types; and do so on multiple operating systems on multiple architectures in a manner that allowed for database portability. The initial versions of K95 were shipped on OS/2 (X86) plus Windows 95/NT4 (X86,MIPS,Alpha,PPC). We even had a PowerPC version for OS/2 but it was never publicly released since the operating system itself was never released. It was possible to use a single Dialer database on multiple operating systems in multi-boot scenarios. At one point I had a database shared by OS/2, Windows 95, NT4, and Windows 95 (Hebrew edition.) Porting OS/2 C-Kermit to Windows was a challenge in itself. C-Kermit is a single threaded application. OS/2 C-Kermit is multi-threaded (separate threads for command processor, keyboard/mouse input, screen display, and device/network I/O processing) but it can count on all thread independent signals being delivered to the first thread in the process. In Windows, thread independent signals are delivered to the process in their own thread. To this day I am still not satified with the cross platform model I developed to handle events such as SIGINT. The existing implementation works well enough for most purposes and there have always been an endless number of new features to add to K95 such that I have never had the time to re-visit the design of this fundamental building block. Looking back over the last eight years it is somewhat incredible to think about what was acheived. In 1995, the source code for K95 was less than 80,000 lines in total. The executable for the Windows X86 was 786k. For the 2.1 release the base source code over 500,000 lines of code not including support for SRP, Kerberos, SSL/TLS, and SSH; the k95g executable is 3566.5K. The security protocol support adds another 1.2 million lines of source code plus almost 3MB in supporting DLLs. Then there is all of the documentation that was written: 88,000 lines (the original release had 5235 lines of documentation.) [This does not include the "Using C-Kermit" book which Frank and Christine were able to update only once during this time frame. To accomodate all of the new documentation which has been written, an updated "Using C-Kermit" current with version 8.0 would need to be 1800 pages in length.] I tried to look back and summarize all of the features that were added to Kermit in the last eight years and I became overwhelmed. There were 35 plus terminals that were emulated; streaming Kermit protocol; the Internet Kermit Service; all of the IETF work (TELNET AUTH SRP, TELNET AUTH KRB5, TELNET START-TLS, TELNET FORWARD-X, PKIX, TLS, KERBEROS 5, SSH 2, FTP AUTH TLS; TN3270 extensions; DNS SRV); UTF8 terminal support; URL hotspots; mouse event programming; Windows Telephony; DECNET; TELNET; RLOGIN; KLOGIN; Remote COM-PORT-CONTROL; HTTP; FTP; all of the security implementations; Bidirectional Printer Management; the GUI release; export permission; and thousands of other things that I just can't summarize because (to be honest) I can't remember. I tried to use the Internet Wayback Machine http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html but its almost as if everything on the current k95.html page is new. One of the greatest aspects of my work on Kermit has been that the impact of my work has not been limited only to the Kermit product and its users. Through Kermit I have participated in the Internet Engineering Task Force on numerous working groups and have either authored or edited over two dozen Internet-Drafts and RFCs. In addition, I have been an active contributor to various OpenSource projects: OpenSSL; MIT Kerberos; Tom Wu's Secure Remote Password distribution; Peter Runestig's Secure Telnet and FTP clients and servers; Denis Sbragion's Sredird Telnet Com-Port-Control daemon; plus many others. I participated as an unofficial observer in the Commerce Department BIS advisory council meetings on export control. Plus I was able to work with purely commercial companies to help them ensure that their products were compliant with protocols implemented within Kermit. With all of this there is always more that I wish I could have accomplished. We never did implement TN3270/TN5250 within Kermit. Nor did we ever port the terminal emulator to MacOS or X-Windows. The BeOS port never truly worked and we don't support PalmOS or Windows CE/PocketPC devices. The Internet Kermit Service never received wide enough support from OS vendors such as IBM, Sun, HP, Compaq, and RedHat. Support for security features on VMS is still not complete. We never got to develop a drag/drop file transfer interface for Kermit, Zmodem, and FTP. But overall I believe that Kermit 95 is a very good product that in many ways probably does too much. :-) Unfortunately, my time to work on Kermit as a Columbia University staff member has come to an end and it is time for me to move on to other endeavors even if I am not quite sure what they will be. I still consider myself a member of the Kermit Project even if I am not paid to be. Kermit has been a part of my life for fifteen years. It was a lab for me when I was in college and then grad school. When I got my first job as a developer after receiving my Masters I continued to work on C-Kermit eventually taking the reins of the OS/2 port from Kai Uwe Rommel. I left that job for Columbia because the 20 hours a week I was spending on Kermit was a lot more enjoyable than the work I did for my employer. I can't imagine how it would be possible for me to simply give it up now but my work on Kermit has caused me to grow far beyond what is possible within Kermit. Therefore, Kermit is going to have to become a smaller piece of my life. My participation in open source projects such as MIT Kerberos and OpenSSL will continue. My participation in the IETF will continue. Over the last year and a half I have become very interested in Peer to Peer overlay networks and purely distributed authentication systems. I have been active in the Project JXTA community and currently sit on its Board. I have been actively pursuing the creation of an IETF P2P Working Group to standardize a suite of P2P protocols; and an IRTF P2P Research Group to study the effects of P2P overlay networks on an Internet containing 10^14 nodes (today's Internet has less than 10^9 nodes.) It is my hope that my next employeer will provide me the opportunity to continue this work. In the meantime, I will be available on a contract basis through Internet Access Methods / for development or consulting work on Kermit; Peer to Peer systems; or various Security efforts. I can be reached either at jaltman AT columbia.edu or jaltman AT iamx.com. Last but not least I want to say thank you to Frank da Cruz, Max Evarts, Christine Gianone, everyone I've worked with at Columbia University; and all of the wonderful users that have supported Kermit over the years most notably: Peter Runestig, Mark Zinzow, Kent Martin, Arthur Marsh, Perry Wolfe, Robert Strickler, Greg Belenger, Clarence Dold, Thomas Dickey, Jim Schneider, Vincent Fatica, Gene Alexander, and everyone else whose name I can't pull off the top of my head. Without you Kermit would not be any fun at all. Jeffrey Altman Volunteer Kermit Developer Jeffrey Altman * Volunteer Developer Kermit 95 2.1 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Dec 1 14:26:22 EST 2002 Article: 13898 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: 1 Dec 2002 14:25:47 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038770748 18575 128.59.39.139 (1 Dec 2002 19:25:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Dec 2002 19:25:48 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13898 In article , Jeffrey Altman wrote: : Today marks the end of a significant period in my life... : Looking back over the last eight years it is somewhat incredible to : think about what was acheived... : Anyone who has been following the goings on here since 1995 knows Jeff's key role in most of it, if only by his over-the-top devotion to 24x7 end-user support: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/tsreviews.html Jeff is an extremely talented and hard-working person; we were lucky to have him and are unlucky to lose him. Ironically, Jeff's main passion over the past 5 years or so -- security -- is precisely what should have sealed our success, yet the market did not respond. Kermit 95 was one of the first, if not THE first, full-featured Windows communication software packages to support Kerberos IV, Kerberos V, and SSL/TLS, as well as the lesser-known Secure Remote Password, each of which offers MANAGEABLE secure authentication and strong encryption. But it turned out that, despite the many earlier requests for it, nobody actually wanted manageable security because it must, indeed, be managed, and instead flocked towards SSH, which in many ways is a disaster waiting to happen: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/sshclient.html#x3.2 This was a setback for us, because instead of concentrating on GUI development, essential not only in the mass market but also to many of our potential large licensees, we had to drop everything and add SSH to K95, which took a year, just so people could keep using K95 in an environment where Telnet servers were being turned off (rather than secured) and SSH was suddenly required for terminal connections. We had expected that at least some of the larger corporations and government agencies would be more serious about security. Live and learn. : One of the greatest aspects of my work on Kermit has been that the : impact of my work has not been limited only to the Kermit product and : its users. Through Kermit I have participated in the Internet : Engineering Task Force on numerous working groups and have either : authored or edited over two dozen Internet-Drafts and RFCs.... : Shamefully this kind of activity is no longer valued in most workplaces. Devotion to standards and participation in their evolution rarely contributes to the bottom line, and are increasingly discouraged if not punished in these hard times except in the few companies that can still afford it -- a trend which has consequences for us all. : ... But overall I believe that Kermit 95 is a : very good product that in many ways probably does too much. :-) : A common theme in the evolution of any software product. It starts out small and focussed; users request more features; the market makes new demands (such as SSH); the product becomes increasingly complex and "bloated"; eventually users begin longing for the good old days when the product was "lean and mean". But of course they can't go back to the original release because it lacks certain essential features that were added later -- a different set of them for each user! Perhaps our mistake has been to listen too closely to our users and try too hard to please. Other products tend to displace K95 by offering users very little in terms of features or choices, and therefore are perceived as easier for most people to use. Kermit's strength, however, lies in its ability to be adaptable to almost any setting; perhaps it is best suited to situations in which professionals can configure it for end users -- employees or clients of a company, the population of a university, workers in a government agency. This is done through its command scripting language, which allows complex or repetitive procedures (such as EDI transactions) to be "canned" for use by relatively unskilled workers. I would like to think the value of this approach will become apparent as we suffer increasingly through the labor-intensive, error-prone, point-and-click interfaces that are coming to dominate the workplace and drag down productivity. : I still consider myself a member of the Kermit Project even if I am : not paid to be. : I can't predict how much time Jeff can devote to Kermit in the future. Even if it's only 10% of his normal contribution, that's about a full-time job for anybody else :-) But let's not take this as an epitaph for Kermit 95. We have just released version 2.1, which is totally up to date with all the latest Kerberos, OpenSSL, and other security libraries, and seems so far to be quite solid. It's easy to install and easier to use than ever. It's easier to get too. As long it remains popular I'm sure Jeff won't forget about it. In any case, we intend to continue to develop and support it, as we always have done. If that changes, I'll let you know. Kermit 95 2.1 has just now gone to press. The new shrinkwraps -- which, for the first time, contain the secure cryptographic version of the software -- should be available towards the end of December. You can preorder them at the old price starting today: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95order.html Thanks, Jeff. - Frank From dold@08.usenet.us.com Sun Dec 1 14:27:05 EST 2002 Article: 13897 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!gail.ripco.com!wasp.rahul.net!blue.rahul.net!not-for-mail From: dold@08.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Sender: Clarence Dold Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1038764784 23840 192.160.13.69 (1 Dec 2002 17:46:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:46:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject User-Agent: tin/1.4.6-20020816 ("Aerials") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.9-34 (i686)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13897 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > I tried to look back and summarize all of the features that were added > to Kermit in the last eight years and I became overwhelmed. There > were 35 plus terminals that were emulated; streaming Kermit protocol; My wife wants to know when you sleep. I would submit bugs, or questions, or requests for enhancement to make up for some silly mainframe I was trying to work against, and I would get answers almost immediately. Regardless of time of day, or day of week, there would be a reply before I expected it, including new code delivered over a weekend. I can tell that Frank sleeps, because his replies would come later. Good luck to you. From ishikawa@yk.rim.or.jp Mon Dec 2 09:15:47 EST 2002 Article: 13899 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.rim.or.jp!news.rim.or.jp!not-for-mail From: Ishikawa Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:19:12 +0900 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3DEAC320.6A81B11F@yk.rim.or.jp> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pl1631.nas911.n-yokohama.nttpc.ne.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.rim.or.jp 1038795658 77015 210.139.45.95 (2 Dec 2002 02:20:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: root@rim.or.jp NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:20:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.20 i686) X-Accept-Language: ja, en Cache-Post-Path: duron!unknown@localhost X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13899 Hi, I have been using Kermit on and off for the last 20 years (?) soon after the Byte magazine article appeared. I noticed that Jeff's name appeared now and then on the newsgroup for the last several years when I reported bugs in a rarely used features of kermit. (Or I should say, the feature/bug triggred by a rarely used combination of kermit and hardware/OS.). > My participation in open source projects such as MIT Kerberos and > OpenSSL will continue. My participation in the IETF will continue. ... > It is my hope that my next > employeer will provide me the opportunity to continue this work. I surely hope so. Thank you for your contribution so far. I didn't quite realize that the kermit support is a volunteer(!?) part of your job until I read Frank's post and yours today. > Jeffrey Altman > Volunteer Kermit Developer Great contribution and you will be missed. Now I would say to the readers, it is your turn to send in patches (and feature enhancement) if you use C-kermit... Sometimes it is quite educational to read through Kermit source. how kermit handles system-depencies and the tips for handling communiation ioctl() in various OSes may be indispensable. (To me, it was, and I reported a problem or two before in these very system-dependent codes. The problems were caused, I think due to system library changes). Again, I wish a good luck in your next career, Jeff. -- int main(void){int j=2002;/*(c)2002 cishikawa. */ char t[] =" @abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz.,\n\""; char *i ="h>qtCIuqivb,gCwe\np@.ietCIuqi\"tqkvv is>dnamz"; while(*i)((j+=strchr(t,*i++)-(int)t),(j%=sizeof t-1), (putchar(t[j])));return 0;}/* under GPL */ From mswarbrick@rentokil.com Mon Dec 2 10:47:33 EST 2002 Article: 13900 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: mswarbrick@rentokil.com (Mark Swarbrick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: sms modem issues revisited Date: 2 Dec 2002 07:40:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 70 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.2.66.194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038843626 5424 127.0.0.1 (2 Dec 2002 15:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 15:40:26 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13900 Hi guys.. I posted a while back asking for some help with communicating with an sms modem via kermit. I haven't really refined the kermit scripts at all since then. However I had to do another project based around nagios (previously netsaint) for service monitoring.. I have written a little hack to sms users when services go down using kermit. Though it might be usual to someone (do let me know.) I suppose it might be better in a nagios newsgroup but it's sorta a bit of both, so don't flame me ok!? In the nagios config file define the external handler to use ------ define command{ command_name sms_alert command_line /usr/local/nagios/libexec/event_handlers/sms_alert $SE\ RVICESTATE$ $STATETYPE$ $SERVICEATTEMPT$ $HOSTNAME$ $HOSTADDRESS$ $SERVICEDESC$\ $SERVICESTATE$ $DATE$ $TIME$ ----- Then create the event handler itself #!/bin/sh message(){ dir="/usr/local/nagios/libexec/event_handlers" touch $dir/sms_message.msg echo lineout AT+CMGS="+447747603208" >>$dir/sms_message.msg echo input 20 >>$dir/sms_message.msg echo lineout On $1 $2 the status of service $3 is $4 $5 $6 >>$dir/sms_message.msg echo output \\26 >>$dir/sms_message.msg echo input 20 ok >>$dir/sms_message.msg mv $dir/sms_message.msg /tmp/outbox } # What state is the service in? case "$1" in OK) ;; WARNING) ;; CRITICAL) if [ "$3" == "3" ] ; then message $4 $5 $6 $7 $8 $9 ; fi ;; UNKNOWN) if [ "$3" == "3" ] ; then message $4 $5 $6 $7 $8 $9 ; fi ;; esac exit 0 ------- This sms_message.msg can then be passed and processed via a kermit kerbang script which just connects to the port and sends the message. I couldn't find a simple solution to this, so I figured it might help someone.. From thucdat@hotmail.com Mon Dec 2 10:48:01 EST 2002 Article: 13901 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: thucdat@hotmail.com (Dat Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: 2 Dec 2002 07:45:15 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6b1f50ac.0212020745.7db0908e@posting.google.com> References: <3DEAC320.6A81B11F@yk.rim.or.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.118.213.52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038843915 5884 127.0.0.1 (2 Dec 2002 15:45:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 15:45:15 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13901 Ishikawa wrote in message news:<3DEAC320.6A81B11F@yk.rim.or.jp>... > Hi, > ... ... > Now I would say to the readers, it is your turn > to send in patches (and feature enhancement) if > you use C-kermit... ... ... better, the best that users can do is to order the package (Ckermit/K95 CD-Rom + User manual) massively. That would help to support the C-Kermit Project to support you, maybe it'll bring Jeff back fulltime. Hang on, Jeff. Dat From dbecker@cpicorp.com Mon Dec 2 13:13:16 EST 2002 Article: 13902 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: dbecker@cpicorp.com (Derek Chen-Becker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Differences when kermit executes a script vs. Interactive mode? Date: 2 Dec 2002 09:06:29 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9c21afd5.0212020906.6963e3e5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.233.170.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038848790 12845 127.0.0.1 (2 Dec 2002 17:06:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 17:06:30 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13902 Hi, I've been looking through the newsgroups and "Using C-Kermit" for help with an issue I'm having. I am writing a file transfer script that I would like to execute out of a scheduler, but I've run into the issue that arrays and functions behave differently depending on whether I'm in interactive mode or if I'm running the script. For example, the following fragment works fine if I execute it interactively from kermit, but fails with "Array &f undefined" if I run it in the script: define \%r \ffiles(*,&f) array copy &f &s If I add something that dereferences the return code (\%r), it works in both places: define \%r \ffiles(*,&f) echo Found \%r files array copy &f &s There are a couple other things that seem to be working interactively but not from the script. I'm using c-kermit 8.0.206 on linux. Thanks, Derek dbecker@cpicorp.com From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Dec 2 13:13:19 EST 2002 Article: 13903 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Differences when kermit executes a script vs. Interactive mode? Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:11:51 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <9c21afd5.0212020906.6963e3e5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038852713 6086 128.59.39.139 (2 Dec 2002 18:11:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 18:11:53 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13903 In article <9c21afd5.0212020906.6963e3e5@posting.google.com>, Derek Chen-Becker wrote: : I've been looking through the newsgroups and "Using C-Kermit" for : help with an issue I'm having. I am writing a file transfer script : that I would like to execute out of a scheduler, but I've run into the : issue that arrays and functions behave differently depending on : whether I'm in interactive mode or if I'm running the script. For : example, the following fragment works fine if I execute it : interactively from kermit, but fails with "Array &f undefined" if I : run it in the script: : : define \%r \ffiles(*,&f) : array copy &f &s : You want "assign", not "define". - Frank From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Mon Dec 2 14:25:25 EST 2002 Article: 13904 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com (Dan Skinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: 2 Dec 2002 11:10:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8ce22d01.0212021110.77c49d5a@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038856228 23387 127.0.0.1 (2 Dec 2002 19:10:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 19:10:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13904 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:... > 1 December 2002: A day that will live in infamy! Jeff; a comment from a Kermit newbe.(First use August 1990). You and Frank and all have lived up to a support model that is as different from its competitors as C-Kermit and K95 are different from their competitors, and that is a GOOD THING :-) I've tried to model my little company's products and services on your good example, down to absurdly low prices. How can I help you make it work, rather than How can I avoid responsibility is a model and a style that will always be in fashion! THANK YOU!!! Good Luck and Good Computing. Best Regards…Dan. JDanSkinner.com From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Dec 2 14:59:45 EST 2002 Article: 13905 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: 2 Dec 2002 14:58:26 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <8ce22d01.0212021110.77c49d5a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038859107 10406 128.59.39.139 (2 Dec 2002 19:58:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 19:58:27 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13905 In article <8ce22d01.0212021110.77c49d5a@posting.google.com>, Dan Skinner wrote: : jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) : wrote in message news:... : > 1 December 2002: : : A day that will live in infamy! : ^^^^ "which" :-) : I've tried to model my little company's products and services on your : good example, down to absurdly low prices. : How can I help you make it work, rather than How can I avoid : responsibility is a model and a style that will always be in fashion! : Good luck. It's nice to know that some people still believe in such notions, which are largely held to be "legacy, deprecated" concepts long ago replaced by the more up-to-date "take the money and run". The best way to keep the old ideas alive is to not be shy about spreading the word across our wonderful Internet. In Kermit's case, it's especially important since most people still believe that it hasn't changed since 1983. "Kermit, oh yeah, I remember that, I used in college... A nice little toy for its time... What ever happened to it?" We have a web page to refer people to when they say things like that: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kermit.html To this day, people cling to incredibly clunky, obscure, and unsafe methods of doing things (such as automating an FTP session) that would be perfectly straightforward with C-Kermit or K95. My favorite is when someone asks how to do something involving recursive directory traversal in Unix (deleting files, moving them, transferring them, whatever) -- something that can be done in one simple command in Kermit, like: delete /recursive /before:1-jan-2000 *.txt The conversation rapidly devolves into heated arguments over the syntax of "find" and "xargs" versus various Unix versions and shells, and then over the ensuing week or two into insults and death threats, before it finally veers off on some tangent, such as English versus metric units of volume, weight, or mass as applied to bottles of beer. We need independent Kermit users to pop up on the newsgroups when people ask "How do I do such-and-such?" and Kermit is the obvious and sensible answer. Jeff and I do this a lot, but people would pay more attention if they heard it from a variety of actual users who benefit from it in real life. Why should they trust us? Yes, if you post on newsgroups you get spam. I get tons of it. It's annoying, but that's all. There are many worse things in the world, starting with unemployment. "Up with Common Sense!" Our new slogan? It's an inversion of Gracie Allen's campaign slogan in the 1940 presidential race. (Where is she now when we need her?) http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1836/campaign1940.html - Frank From jhaines@benplan.com Mon Dec 2 16:43:00 EST 2002 Article: 13906 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jhaines@benplan.com (John Haines) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using C-KERMIT to ftp on a PPP dail-up connection Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:11:17 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 71 Message-ID: <684be77d.0212021211.49438037@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.136.79.238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038859878 28442 127.0.0.1 (2 Dec 2002 20:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 20:11:18 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13906 I have been reading the C-KERMIT 8.0 reference and the FAQ, but still having trouble putting the whole picture together. I have been using C-KERMIT on AIX for about a year. I need to transfer a file to another company. They provide access to their FTP server via PPP dial-up. I am wondering can I use C-KERMIT to dail the number, redirect to PPP, and then transfer the file using kermit commands, and close the connection. In the examples from the C-KERMIT documentation, I noticed they redirect to the pppd daemon, but in AIX I could only find the pppattachd command to invoke the ppp daemon. Any help would be appreciated, because at this point I'm not sure what is possible and what is not possible. I would prefer to accomplish the whole task using C-KERMIT, but don't know if it is possible. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for the enlightenment! Below is the script that I have developed thus far. #!/usr/opt/ckermit/ckermit + set telnet echo remote set host 10.44.16.3 7001 set modem type generic set dial hangup off set exit on-disconnect on set ftp AUTOAUTHENTICATION ON set ftp AUTOLOGIN ON set ftp VERBOSE ON set ftp DEBUG ON ; Setup modem pool information .telephone = 9,1-210-226-3232 define modem_userid user define modem_passwd userpasswd assign \%u \m(modem_userid) assign \%p \m(modem_passwd) ; Logon to the modem pool lineout sleep 1 lineout promptwait \m(wait_time) Username: if fail faterr 1 "ERROR: Can't login to the modem pool. " lineout \%u promptwait \m(wait_time) Password: if fail faterr 1 "ERROR: Can't login to the modem pool. " lineout \%p ; Send password undef \%p ; Clear password from memory ; Dail customer number dial \m(telephone) ; Once connected redirect connection to PPP on AIX exec /redirect /usr/sbin/pppattachd demand ; Connect to remote customer IP Address ftp open ftp.mycustomer.com 21 /user:kuser /password:passwd if fail exit 1 Connection failed: \v(ftp_message) if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 Login failed ftp dir ftp put /binary benplan.ini if fail exit 1 ftp PUT benplan.ini : \v(ftp_message) ftp bye exit From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Dec 2 16:43:07 EST 2002 Article: 13907 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: Using C-KERMIT to ftp on a PPP dail-up connection Date: 2 Dec 2002 16:42:08 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 120 Message-ID: References: <684be77d.0212021211.49438037@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038865329 15030 128.59.39.139 (2 Dec 2002 21:42:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 21:42:10 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13907 comp.unix.aix:243596 In article <684be77d.0212021211.49438037@posting.google.com>, John Haines wrote: : I have been reading the C-KERMIT 8.0 reference and the FAQ, but still : having trouble putting the whole picture together. : : I have been using C-KERMIT on AIX for about a year. I need to : transfer a file to another company. They provide access to their FTP : server via PPP dial-up. I am wondering can I use C-KERMIT to dail the : number, redirect to PPP, and then transfer the file using kermit : commands, and close the connection. : As you have seen in the FAQ, this is indeed a frequently asked question, but the best answer is: we don't necessarily recommend it because whether and exactly this works depends on many varying factors. If you can figure it out if it's even possible, and if so how to do it, on a particular platform with a particular PPP client and a particular modem on a particular kind of port, good! For us to explain how to do it given a particular combination of all those factors that we are probably not familiar with is a stretch. : In the examples from the C-KERMIT : documentation, I noticed they redirect to the pppd daemon, but in AIX : I could only find the pppattachd command to invoke the ppp daemon. : Any help would be appreciated, because at this point I'm not sure what : is possible and what is not possible. : Nor are we in this case. I'm copying the AIX newsgroup in case somebody there has done this. However, I'm sure most people would advise to you make the PPP connection in the normal way for your platform, and then use Kermit as a regular FTP client. For example, if AIX has a command to start PPP, just have Kermit run that command. Or if AIX automatically makes the PPP connection when any application tries to make a TCP/IP connection (as happens on Windows), maybe your script can simply skip the whole PPP business. : I would prefer to accomplish : the whole task using C-KERMIT, but don't know if it is possible. Any : assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for the : enlightenment! : : Below is the script that I have developed thus far. : : #!/usr/opt/ckermit/ckermit + : set telnet echo remote : set host 10.44.16.3 7001 : You should have IF FAIL after commands like this (i.e. commands that subsequent commands depend on to succeed). : set modem type generic : set dial hangup off : set exit on-disconnect on : set ftp AUTOAUTHENTICATION ON : set ftp AUTOLOGIN ON : set ftp VERBOSE ON : set ftp DEBUG ON : : ; Setup modem pool information : .telephone = 9,1-210-226-3232 : define modem_userid user : define modem_passwd userpasswd : : assign \%u \m(modem_userid) : assign \%p \m(modem_passwd) : : ; Logon to the modem pool : lineout : sleep 1 : lineout : promptwait \m(wait_time) Username: : if fail faterr 1 "ERROR: Can't login to the modem pool. " : lineout \%u : : promptwait \m(wait_time) Password: : if fail faterr 1 "ERROR: Can't login to the modem pool. " : lineout \%p ; Send password : undef \%p ; Clear password from memory : : ; Dail customer number : dial \m(telephone) : Here you need another IF FAIL clause in case the call is not answered. : ; Once connected redirect connection to PPP on AIX : exec /redirect /usr/sbin/pppattachd demand : I think the problem here is that once you've issued the EXEC command, Kermit is gone, replaced by pppattachd. Therefore the rest of the script will not be executed. Unix was simply not designed to let an application attach your computer to the TCP/IP network by dialing, and then use it as a client (or server). Maybe you can do something like this: run /usr/sbin/pppattachd demand < \v(ttyfd) > \v(ttyfd) & if fail exit 1 FATAL: pppattachd start failure pause instead of EXEC, to allow the subseqent commands to be executed, but you'll have to figure out the details based on how pppattachd works (I have no idea) and how to be sure the connection is ready to go. : ; Connect to remote customer IP Address : : ftp open ftp.mycustomer.com 21 /user:kuser /password:passwd : if fail exit 1 Connection failed: \v(ftp_message) : : if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 Login failed : : ftp dir : : ftp put /binary benplan.ini : if fail exit 1 ftp PUT benplan.ini : \v(ftp_message) : : ftp bye : exit - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 14:43:40 EST 2002 Article: 13908 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators Date: 3 Dec 2002 14:40:07 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038944409 9579 128.59.39.139 (3 Dec 2002 19:40:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 2002 19:40:09 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358767 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13908 In article , Chris Olive wrote: : ... : (2) In the heyday of VMS, I always considered WRQ's Reflection the : cadillac of commercial terminal emulators, esp. with its RCL : scripting. It's emulation abilities and configuration settings : were/are impeccable. (I stil have access to using it. Though I must : say, I always thought they over-priced their product, fine as it is, : and still do over-price it.) : : (3) Kermit (as has already been mention) had/has a huge grassroots : following and was just as powerful, if not more, as Reflection esp. in : scripting. It's emulation too I found to be impeccable. Kermit was : great when file transfer protocols where still muchly used (XModem, : YModem, ZModem, Kermit, etc.) I've not used Kermit in a very long : time however, so I can't say anything more about it. (Though the : people that wrote it obviously knew what they were doing -- I see FdC : is here -- so I'm sure its a very fine product still.) : I hope so! : (4) I use a freeware/shareware product called PuTTY. It's VERY nice, : emulates very well, is very configurable, and handles SSH. : I agree PuTTY is nice, mainly for its simplicity, small size, character-set support, and lack of any need for an installation process. But for the record, Kermit does SSH too, as well as Kerberos IV and V and SSL/TLS (newly supported in VMS, and more secure than SSH), plus lots of other things that are not within PuTTY's scope. Plus Kermit has pretty good tech support. You can find a comparison here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/winsshclients.html (Reflection was not included in this survey because it's not an SSH client.) In the modern world, file transfer protocols like Kermit are not entirely passe. If you already have a terminal connection (SSH, Telnet, SSL/TSL, Rlogin) from Windows to a VMS host and you want to send a file from your PC or get one from VMS to your PC, it's quite simple to type: kermit -g filename <-- (to get a file from the PC to VMS) or: kermit -s filename <-- (to send a file from VMS to the PC) at the DCL prompt; everything else happens automatically, thanks to advances such as "autodownload", "autoupload", automatic text/binary mode switching, etc -- no complicated settings or contortions with Ctrl or Alt keys needed. Try it sometime (it works the same in VMS C-Kermit when you use it as your Telnet, Rlogin, or dialout client). : Since I'm here, I wouldn't mind hearing someone, maybe even FdC, : provide a tit-for-tat on Kermit versus PuTTY. : See chart referenced above. I actually like PuTTY, but it only does what it's advertised to do, which is about 10% of what Kermit does, so if you need any of the other stuff (see chart), and/or you like to have one command and scripting language common to Windows, VMS, and Unix (not to mention some other operating systems rapidly fading from memory, such as AOS/VS and VOS), you might prefer Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Meanwhile, I should post a separate announcement regarding the addition of SSL/TLS to VMS C-Kermit, for the benefit of those who missed the "by the way" announcements in this and other threads. - Frank From henry.thorpe@att.net Tue Dec 3 15:07:25 EST 2002 Article: 13909 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!nntp1.tagonline.com!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DED0D0D.7080800@att.net> From: "Henry E. Thorpe" Organization: Just me! User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Stupid question on kermit URLs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: eed058f4c68a745d4150b9fcb7723245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1038945560 eed058f4c68a745d4150b9fcb7723245 (Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:59:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:59:20 GMT Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:59:20 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13909 I'm sure that this is documented somewhere, but, failing to find it... Let's say I have a kermit protocol URL like: kermit://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/k95_21_nocrypto_upg.exe How do I call C-kermit or K95 from the command line to fetch this file using the Kermit protocol? I can't find it in the "Windows Internet Kermit Service - User Guide", or I'm just not finding it in the front of the refridgerator shelf, or something. From henry.thorpe@att.net Tue Dec 3 15:07:36 EST 2002 Article: 13910 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DED0D88.2050905@att.net> From: "Henry E. Thorpe" Organization: Just me! User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 2.1.2 faster? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 562434e20401d30458bbf44e8ab3b28b X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1038945674 562434e20401d30458bbf44e8ab3b28b (Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:01:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:01:14 GMT Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:01:15 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13910 Is it just my imagination, or is K95 2.1.2 a whole lot faster with regards to SSH and TLS/SSL connections? Is 0.9.7-beta4 that much better? From henry.thorpe@att.net Tue Dec 3 15:07:41 EST 2002 Article: 13911 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DED0DC3.9040705@att.net> From: "Henry E. Thorpe" Organization: Just me! User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 2.1.2 faster? References: <3DED0D88.2050905@att.net> In-Reply-To: <3DED0D88.2050905@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 562434e20401d30458bbf44e8ab3b28b X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1038945734 562434e20401d30458bbf44e8ab3b28b (Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:02:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:02:14 GMT Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:02:14 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13911 More noise. Should have been: Is OpenSSL 0.9.7-beta4 that much better? Henry E. Thorpe wrote: > Is it just my imagination, or is K95 2.1.2 a whole lot faster with > regards to SSH and TLS/SSL connections? > > Is 0.9.7-beta4 that much better? > From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 15:07:55 EST 2002 Article: 13912 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stupid question on kermit URLs Date: 3 Dec 2002 15:07:15 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3DED0D0D.7080800@att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038946038 10752 128.59.39.139 (3 Dec 2002 20:07:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 2002 20:07:18 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13912 In article <3DED0D0D.7080800@att.net>, Henry E. Thorpe wrote: : I'm sure that this is documented somewhere, but, failing to find it... : : Let's say I have a kermit protocol URL like: : : kermit://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/k95_21_nocrypto_upg.exe : : How do I call C-kermit or K95 from the command line to fetch this file : using the Kermit protocol? : Short answer: Give the URL as the first command-line argument to K95 or C-Kermit (of recent vintage). It might trick you and download the file before you know anything has happened (well, not with the file you're referencing, which is rather large). Depending on the OS, you might also be able to configure Kermit as the helper application for Kermit URLs. (Ditto for FTP, Telnet, and some others.) - Frank From henry.thorpe@att.net Tue Dec 3 15:36:47 EST 2002 Article: 13913 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DED134B.6050109@att.net> From: "Henry E. Thorpe" Organization: Just me! User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stupid question on kermit URLs References: <3DED0D0D.7080800@att.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: eda02c937b75995d14a2cc97d5803b5c X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1038947152 eda02c937b75995d14a2cc97d5803b5c (Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:25:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:25:52 GMT Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:25:52 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13913 Heh-heh. That's the first thing I'd tried, of course after deleting the protocol part of the URL. Why would kermit need to know it's the kermit protocol? Well, because kermit now supports FTP and others, of course. Sigh. Thanks for the answer. However, where can I find this in the documentation? I'm used to having a comprehensive index or a search engine for on-line content. Any suggestions? Frank da Cruz wrote: > Short answer: Give the URL as the first command-line argument to K95 or > C-Kermit (of recent vintage). It might trick you and download the file > before you know anything has happened (well, not with the file you're > referencing, which is rather large). From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 15:36:52 EST 2002 Article: 13914 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stupid question on kermit URLs Date: 3 Dec 2002 15:36:30 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3DED0D0D.7080800@att.net> <3DED134B.6050109@att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038947794 11995 128.59.39.139 (3 Dec 2002 20:36:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 2002 20:36:34 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13914 In article <3DED134B.6050109@att.net>, Henry E. Thorpe wrote: : Heh-heh. : : That's the first thing I'd tried, of course after deleting the protocol : part of the URL. Why would kermit need to know it's the kermit : protocol? Well, because kermit now supports FTP and others, of course. : Sigh. : : Thanks for the answer. However, where can I find this in the : documentation? I'm used to having a comprehensive index or a search : engine for on-line content. Any suggestions? : It's documented here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit80.html#x16 Also in the Alternative Command Line Personalities section of the C-Kermit man page / tutorial: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html The latter turns up if you use the Search link on the Kermit home page to look for "kermit url". We do the best we can with a small number of people. I realize the documentation is somewhat scattered. I hope we can bring it together over the coming year. In fact, suggestions on how to organize and present the voluminous material would be welcome, given that: . We need to cover both K95 and C-Kermit. . Nobody wants an 1800-page book. . We need to make money. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 16:33:28 EST 2002 Article: 13915 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS C-Kermit with SSL/TLS Date: 3 Dec 2002 16:29:01 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038950942 14571 128.59.39.139 (3 Dec 2002 21:29:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 2002 21:29:02 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358780 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13915 Just after C-Kermit 8.0.206 was released, Jeff Altman (with help and advice >from VMS programmers and HP/Compaq engineers) got SSL/TLS security working in VMS C-Kermit, at least for terminal connections. This is the first form of secure authentication and strong encryption available for VMS C-Kermit, and since it's in Kermit (as opposed to the regular Telnet client), it also allows secure file transfer over the terminal session as well as scripted secure sessions. The SSL/TLS version of VMS C-Kermit is not released yet, but it's available for download in source-code form here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html Sorry, we can't put up binaries for download due to US export law. To build, you'll need a VMS system with a C compiler and with either OpenSSL or Compaq SSL installed, as well as a TCP/IP package such as UCX (I'm not sure what will happen with other TCP packages like MultiNet and TCPware). Then, with the C-Kermit file unpacked into your default directory, type: @ckvker.com "" "" "CK_SSL" and off you go. Of course you'll need an SSL-capable server to make connections to, but you wouldn't be have read this far if you didn't have one that you needed to get to. The details of C-Kermit security are given here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security.html (which will need to be edited to discuss VMS). Without certificates, you'll be able to get encrypted, but not securely authenticated, connections. The software still needs to be updated to know where to look by default in VMS for X.509 certificates; in any case, you can use Kermit's SET AUTH TLS or SET AUTH SSL commands to specify the certificate files. Interested parties are invited to build and try the code and comment on it. As noted in other postings, it should now be relatively easy for an experienced VMS C programmer to adapt Kermit's FTP module to VMS, which is already SSL/TLS ready. Anyone interested in taking this on is welcome to contact us at: kermit-support@columbia.edu Ditto for C-Kermit's HTTP client (actually, someone has this almost completed already, with just a few stumbling blocks remaining). Thanks. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Tue Dec 3 16:54:10 EST 2002 Article: 13916 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!208.184.7.66.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman [Road Runner NYC]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 2.1.2 faster? References: <3DED0D88.2050905@att.net> <3DED0DC3.9040705@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4D9H9.201358$gB.39587794@twister.nyc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:46:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.138.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1038952000 66.108.138.151 (Tue, 03 Dec 2002 16:46:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 16:46:40 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13916 You are either imagining things; or my improvements to the thread locks worked. It has nothing to do with the version of OpenSSL. Henry E. Thorpe wrote: > More noise. Should have been: > > Is OpenSSL 0.9.7-beta4 that much better? > > Henry E. Thorpe wrote: > >> Is it just my imagination, or is K95 2.1.2 a whole lot faster with >> regards to SSH and TLS/SSL connections? >> >> Is 0.9.7-beta4 that much better? >> > From bridge1@email.mot.com Tue Dec 3 19:28:35 EST 2002 Article: 13917 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed1.sea.pnap.net!newsfeed2.sea.pnap.net!newsfeed.pnap.net!newsgate.mot.com!newshost.mot.com!avnika.corp.mot.com!not-for-mail From: Francis R Bridge {BRIDGE1} Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stupid question on kermit URLs Date: 03 Dec 2002 15:33:47 -0600 Organization: OneIT Directory Services News Site Lines: 46 Sender: bridge@login2 Message-ID: References: <3DED0D0D.7080800@att.net> <3DED134B.6050109@att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login2.cig.mot.com X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1038951227 28507 10.17.192.178 (3 Dec 2002 21:33:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@localhost.localdomain NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:33:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13917 fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <3DED134B.6050109@att.net>, > Henry E. Thorpe wrote: > : Heh-heh. > : > : That's the first thing I'd tried, of course after deleting the protocol > : part of the URL. Why would kermit need to know it's the kermit > : protocol? Well, because kermit now supports FTP and others, of course. > : Sigh. > : > : Thanks for the answer. However, where can I find this in the > : documentation? I'm used to having a comprehensive index or a search > : engine for on-line content. Any suggestions? > : > It's documented here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit80.html#x16 > > Also in the Alternative Command Line Personalities section of the > C-Kermit man page / tutorial: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html > > The latter turns up if you use the Search link on the Kermit home page > to look for "kermit url". > > We do the best we can with a small number of people. I realize the > documentation is somewhat scattered. I hope we can bring it together > over the coming year. In fact, suggestions on how to organize and present > the voluminous material would be welcome, given that: > > . We need to cover both K95 and C-Kermit. > . Nobody wants an 1800-page book. > . We need to make money. > > - Frank Actually, I wouldn't mind a 1800 page book....I tire of reading software documentation, if provided or useful at all, as a PDF on a monitor. What about Kermit's web address? The main kermit URL is now http://www.columbia.edu/kermit. Have you considered a private domain name for kermit? Most of the obvious ones are already taken. But perhaps someone would give one up or donate one to you? -Frank (Bridge) From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Tue Dec 3 19:28:39 EST 2002 Article: 13918 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman [Road Runner NYC]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stupid question on kermit URLs References: <3DED0D0D.7080800@att.net> <3DED134B.6050109@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:45:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.138.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1038951916 66.108.138.151 (Tue, 03 Dec 2002 16:45:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 16:45:16 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13918 Francis R Bridge {BRIDGE1} wrote: > Actually, I wouldn't mind a 1800 page book....I tire of reading software > documentation, if provided or useful at all, as a PDF on a monitor. Nobody wants to write an 1800 page book :-) > What about Kermit's web address? The main kermit URL is now > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit. Have you considered a private domain name > for kermit? Most of the obvious ones are already taken. But perhaps > someone would give one up or donate one to you? We've had http://www.kermit-project.org/ for many many years. It is an equivalent to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From tom.horsley@att.net Tue Dec 3 19:28:49 EST 2002 Article: 13919 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Sender: tom@SPIKE Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: acfe50e06d0248ddcba14725e807629a X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1038955143 acfe50e06d0248ddcba14725e807629a (Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:39:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:39:03 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:39:03 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358790 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13919 >: Since I'm here, I wouldn't mind hearing someone, maybe even FdC, >: provide a tit-for-tat on Kermit versus PuTTY. I use both of them. The big advantage of PuTTY is that it is simpler to fool with and it supports agent proxies (so when I have to go through multiple ssh firewalls, I can get all the keys loaded up as I go). The big advantage of kermit (to me) is scripting and file transfer. If you are ssh'ed over multiple connections (or dialed up, ssh'ed, telnetted, and rlogined :-), kermit works to transfer files over the path you already have established. Most of the ssh based file transfer tools either only work over a single hop or require fantastically long commands to specify all the multi-hop connections. The one catch to this is that the kermit agent doesn't support proxy connections (hint, hint :-), so it is more trouble to get kermit connected over those multiple hops, but once connected, you can do more (and if you never logout and log back in, it isn't a big deal since you have to type all the keys at least once in any case). -- >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | Free Software and Politics <<==+ From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 19:28:52 EST 2002 Article: 13920 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators Date: 3 Dec 2002 22:59:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038956354 18361 128.59.39.2 (3 Dec 2002 22:59:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 2002 22:59:14 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358794 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13920 In article , Thomas A. Horsley wrote: : : The one catch to this is that the kermit agent doesn't support proxy : connections (hint, hint :-), so it is more trouble to get kermit connected : over those multiple hops, but once connected, you can do more (and if you : never logout and log back in, it isn't a big deal since you have to type all : the keys at least once in any case). Hint hint. Someone write me a check. Jeffrey Altman * Volunteer Developer Kermit 95 2.1 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From jbsp78@yahoo.com Wed Dec 4 08:44:01 EST 2002 Article: 13921 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jbsp78@yahoo.com (Jesse Byler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Serial Connection over SSH Date: 3 Dec 2002 17:34:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 33 Message-ID: <99b5f249.0212031734.50e141be@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.96.115.194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038965680 8684 127.0.0.1 (4 Dec 2002 01:34:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 2002 01:34:40 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13921 Hi all, I have a serial device connected to COM1 on a Windows 2000 machine, and I'd like to be able to access the device remotely - e.g. via SSH. I have set up Cygwin's sshd, so I can log into the windows machine via SSH. Ideally I'd like to compile ckermit under cygwin, but I'd be willing to pay for Kermit 95 if it could do what I want. I'm having two problems with Kermit 95: 1. The trial version won't run remotely, because it tries to pop up a GUI window to remind me about the trial. I assume this will go away once I register, but can someone confirm that? i.e. Running k95.exe doesn't open a GUI window once it's registered? 2. In order to run in a cygwin window or over an SSH connection, I have to run k95.exe -# 96 to tell kermit to use stdin/stdout instead of the Windows console. This partially works, but stdin seems to be line-buffered, so that the serial device doesn't see my input until I press return. Is there some way around this? ckermit does exactly what i want: it doesn't do any terminal emulation or buffering but gives me a direct connection to the COM-port's I/O, so the local terminal can do its thing. Too bad ckermit won't run on Windows. Another possibility I looked into was to use an iksd server instead of sshd, but iksd disables the "set port" command I need to use to connect to the serial port. Perhaps I could use the old "host mode" instead, and modify it so that it allows the serial connection? In case it's not clear, here's a diagram of what I want to do: laptop (linux) =====SSH=====> Windows 2000 =====COM1=====> Device -Jesse From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 08:44:27 EST 2002 Article: 13923 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Serial Connection over SSH Date: 4 Dec 2002 09:09:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <99b5f249.0212031734.50e141be@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1038992942 13876 128.59.39.2 (4 Dec 2002 09:09:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 2002 09:09:02 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13923 K95 will not do what you want. It was not designed to run under a cygwin environment. However, I belive that the best approach for you to take is not to run C-Kermit under cygwin but instead to install sredird under cygwin and then access the serial port directly from C-Kermit on Linux If you require security wrap sredird with stunnel and then connect to it using SET HOST hostname port /TLS-TELNET >from C-Kermit In article <99b5f249.0212031734.50e141be@posting.google.com>, Jesse Byler wrote: : Hi all, : : I have a serial device connected to COM1 on a Windows 2000 machine, : and I'd like to be able to access the device remotely - e.g. via SSH. : I have set up Cygwin's sshd, so I can log into the windows machine via : SSH. Ideally I'd like to compile ckermit under cygwin, but I'd be : willing to pay for Kermit 95 if it could do what I want. I'm having : two problems with Kermit 95: : : 1. The trial version won't run remotely, because it tries to pop up a : GUI window to remind me about the trial. I assume this will go away : once I register, but can someone confirm that? i.e. Running k95.exe : doesn't open a GUI window once it's registered? : : 2. In order to run in a cygwin window or over an SSH connection, I : have to run k95.exe -# 96 to tell kermit to use stdin/stdout instead : of the Windows console. This partially works, but stdin seems to be : line-buffered, so that the serial device doesn't see my input until I : press return. Is there some way around this? ckermit does exactly : what i want: it doesn't do any terminal emulation or buffering but : gives me a direct connection to the COM-port's I/O, so the local : terminal can do its thing. Too bad ckermit won't run on Windows. : : Another possibility I looked into was to use an iksd server instead of : sshd, but iksd disables the "set port" command I need to use to : connect to the serial port. Perhaps I could use the old "host mode" : instead, and modify it so that it allows the serial connection? : : In case it's not clear, here's a diagram of what I want to do: : : laptop (linux) =====SSH=====> Windows 2000 =====COM1=====> Device : : -Jesse Jeffrey Altman * Volunteer Developer Kermit 95 2.1 GUI available now!!! The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. From craigberry@nospam.telocity.com Wed Dec 4 08:44:50 EST 2002 Article: 13922 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "Craig A. Berry" Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:58:46 -0600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.184.198.57 X-Trace: nopics.sjc 1038974327 65.184.198.57 (3 Dec 2002 19:58:47 -0800) Lines: 13 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!nntp1.tagonline.com!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!telocity-west!DIRECTV!nopics.sjc!craigberry Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358808 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13922 In article , fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > You can find a comparison here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/winsshclients.html > > (Reflection was not included in this survey because it's not an SSH client.) Apparently Reflection has SSH support as of 10.0, though I haven't tried that version yet: http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/win/ruov/security.html#ssh From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 08:47:52 EST 2002 Article: 13924 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators Date: 4 Dec 2002 08:47:48 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039009669 15991 128.59.39.139 (4 Dec 2002 13:47:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 2002 13:47:49 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358847 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13924 In article , Craig A. Berry wrote: : In article , : fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : : > You can find a comparison here: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/winsshclients.html : > : > (Reflection was not included in this survey because it's not an SSH : > client.) : : Apparently Reflection has SSH support as of 10.0, though I haven't : tried that version yet: : : http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/win/ruov/security.html#ssh : It wasn't an SSH client at the time survey was done. A lot of stuff was added to K95 since then too but we don't have time to re-do our surveys constantly. - Frank From colive@technologEase.com Wed Dec 4 14:41:26 EST 2002 Article: 13925 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators Date: 4 Dec 2002 11:12:17 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.46.200.234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039029137 28407 127.0.0.1 (4 Dec 2002 19:12:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 2002 19:12:17 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358913 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13925 tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) wrote in message news:... > >: Since I'm here, I wouldn't mind hearing someone, maybe even FdC, > >: provide a tit-for-tat on Kermit versus PuTTY. > > I use both of them. > > The big advantage of PuTTY is that it is simpler to fool with and > it supports agent proxies (so when I have to go through multiple > ssh firewalls, I can get all the keys loaded up as I go). > > The big advantage of kermit (to me) is scripting and file transfer. If you > are ssh'ed over multiple connections (or dialed up, ssh'ed, telnetted, and > rlogined :-), kermit works to transfer files over the path you already have > established. Most of the ssh based file transfer tools either only work over > a single hop or require fantastically long commands to specify all the > multi-hop connections. > > The one catch to this is that the kermit agent doesn't support proxy > connections (hint, hint :-), so it is more trouble to get kermit connected > over those multiple hops, but once connected, you can do more (and if you > never logout and log back in, it isn't a big deal since you have to type all > the keys at least once in any case). Your review here and FdC's review and link were both enlightening. I understand Frank's comment that PuTTY does 10% of what Kermit does (esp. after looking over the comparision link he handed out.) But that 10% is all I need. Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is like having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is type memos. (The analogy totally breaks down though in that I suspect all of Kermit's features actually WORK, whereas I wouldn't place a $2 bet on any piece of Microsoft pretendware.) The point that one could learn one product (Kermit) on multiple platforms though... that's a compeling thought. In the DOS and VMS world, Kermit was what I once lived by and I do have very good memories of it. Who knows, Frank, I may take Kermie for a spin again. And I really think Jeffery deserves a cash incentive for writing in proxy support... 8-) Chris ----- Chris Olive Systems Development Consultant Raytheon Technical Services Corporation Indianapolis, IN Personal email: chris at technologEase dot com *** You can be MOST ASSURED that my opinions DO NOT in any way reflect *** the opinions of my current client... They remind me of this nearly *** every day... 8-) From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 14:54:32 EST 2002 Article: 13926 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators Date: 4 Dec 2002 14:54:20 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039031661 2219 128.59.39.139 (4 Dec 2002 19:54:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 2002 19:54:21 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358919 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13926 In article , Chris Olive wrote: :tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) :wrote in message news:... : I understand Frank's comment that PuTTY does 10% of what Kermit does : (esp. after looking over the comparision link he handed out.) But : that 10% is all I need. Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is like : having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is type : memos. ... The point that one could learn one product (Kermit) on : multiple platforms though... that's a compeling thought. : Exactly. This topic comes up often enough that I have a stock response: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kermit.html#complexity It's the old tradeoff: invest some time up front into learning something, and benefit from that investment for years to come. : And I really think Jeffery deserves a cash incentive for writing in : proxy support... 8-) : Definitely. And a drag-and-drop GUI for FTP and Kermit file transfer, and lots else. But who has cash? (That's not a rhetorical question!) - Frank From jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca Wed Dec 4 15:25:11 EST 2002 Article: 13927 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!198.108.1.146.MISMATCH!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!wagner.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DEE64AA.64D14062@vl.videotron.ca> From: JF Mezei X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:25:27 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.202.148.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.ca X-Trace: wagner.videotron.net 1039033363 24.202.148.20 (Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:22:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:22:43 EST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358930 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13927 Someone wrote: > : that 10% is all I need. Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is like > : having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is type > : memos. ... On the other hand, you only need to be bothered with one installation of software (and upgrades etc) for Kermit which gives you the versatility you'd need with 2 or 3 different "smaller" packages. So in the end, it saves you time. You need not learn Kermit's powerful scripting if you don't use it. But if another user does need it, it's there and doesn't require someone go out to buy/download/install another package. And I would really debate a comparison with MS-Word. MS-Word is bloated, full of security holes, huge, requires tons of system resources and is not really meant to be all of the stuff it does (eg: not designed to do scriupting, even though it supports it). Kermit was designed for the stuff it does and does it well. Kermit is something you can trust to do the job. MS-Word isn't. From LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM Wed Dec 4 19:39:53 EST 2002 Article: 13928 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Followup-To: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: TIN [VMS 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Message-ID: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:15:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.10.33.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1039047326 67.10.33.177 (Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:15:26 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:15:26 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:358956 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13928 Chris Olive (colive@technologEase.com) wrote: : : Your review here and FdC's review and link were both enlightening. I : understand Frank's comment that PuTTY does 10% of what Kermit does : (esp. after looking over the comparision link he handed out.) But : that 10% is all I need. Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is like : having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is type : memos. (The analogy totally breaks down though in that I suspect all : of Kermit's features actually WORK, whereas I wouldn't place a $2 bet : on any piece of Microsoft pretendware.) : Search the archived postings of the comp.os.ms-windows.apps.word-proc newsgroup for "master document". These articles are written by the former Project Manager of Excel, Joel Spolsky, and may explain why Microsoft software is bloated and buggy: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html Joel on Software - Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html Joel on Software - Things You Should Never Do, Part I --Jerry Leslie (my opinions are strictly my own) Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email From pete@compenv.com Thu Dec 5 09:32:45 EST 2002 Article: 13929 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: pete@compenv.com (limesparks) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal Server compatibility Date: 5 Dec 2002 00:36:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: <370c08f7.0212050036.366d2241@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.89.219.9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039077400 24197 127.0.0.1 (5 Dec 2002 08:36:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2002 08:36:40 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13929 Does anyone know if KERMIT 95 is compatible with multiple terminal users on a Winnt 4.0 Terminal Server? From leganii+cpkm@surfree.com Thu Dec 5 09:38:24 EST 2002 Article: 13930 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!ord-feed.news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!newsreader.wustl.edu!gumby.it.wmich.edu!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.eunet.at!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:17:31 -0800 From: leganii+cpkm@surfree.com Reply-To: leganii+cpkm@surfree.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <200212050910.BAA004.10@surfree.com> Subject: Re: An Open Letter to the Kermit Community Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13930 It was numbing to read the announcment. I too was amazed at how late and fast Jeff responeded to questions, especially when I realized how late it was where I was - California. One of the great things about Jeff's answers was how deep and concise they were. They frequently moved my personal understanding of whatever topic to another level. Good luck whatever happens! > From: Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) > Subject: A Letter to the Kermit Community > Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > Date: 2002-12-01 02:11:53 PST > >1 December 2002: > >Today marks the end of a significant period in my life. For the last >eight years I have been privileged to work on and support Kermit as my >career. I began working for Columbia University after nearly seven >............. Regards, Dallas E. Legan II / leganii+cpkm AT surfree.com / dallasii+cpkm AT kincyb.com Powered by......Lynx, the Internet at hyperkinetic speed. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 09:38:28 EST 2002 Article: 13931 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal Server compatibility Date: 5 Dec 2002 09:37:44 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <370c08f7.0212050036.366d2241@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039099065 18183 128.59.39.139 (5 Dec 2002 14:37:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2002 14:37:45 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13931 In article <370c08f7.0212050036.366d2241@posting.google.com>, limesparks wrote: : Does anyone know if KERMIT 95 is compatible with multiple terminal : users on a Winnt 4.0 Terminal Server? : I'll hazard a guess. If by Terminal Server, you mean the ability to access another Windows PC's desktop in GUI mode, then no, Kermit doesn't do that. It's a text-terminal emulator, not a "pcAnywhere" clone or "Windows terminal". If you mean VTNT text-mode sessions, then yes, Kermit 95 can do that. But whether an NT server can support multiple simultaneous VTNT sessions is a property of the server, not of Kermit. - Frank From colive@technologEase.com Thu Dec 5 13:52:20 EST 2002 Article: 13932 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators Date: 5 Dec 2002 10:45:27 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> <3DEE64AA.64D14062@vl.videotron.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.46.200.237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039113928 8125 127.0.0.1 (5 Dec 2002 18:45:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2002 18:45:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:359053 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13932 JF Mezei wrote in message news:<3DEE64AA.64D14062@vl.videotron.ca>... > Someone wrote: > > : that 10% is all I need. Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is like > > : having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is type > > : memos. ... > > On the other hand, you only need to be bothered with one installation of > software (and upgrades etc) for Kermit which gives you the versatility you'd > need with 2 or 3 different "smaller" packages. So in the end, it saves you > time. You need not learn Kermit's powerful scripting if you don't use it. But > if another user does need it, it's there and doesn't require someone go out to > buy/download/install another package. > > And I would really debate a comparison with MS-Word. MS-Word is bloated, full > of security holes, huge, requires tons of system resources and is not really > meant to be all of the stuff it does (eg: not designed to do scriupting, even > though it supports it). > > Kermit was designed for the stuff it does and does it well. Kermit is > something you can trust to do the job. MS-Word isn't. Why suew-tainly, Larry! That's what I meant when I said "The analogy breaks down..." Why, I oughta... 8-) Now watch my hand.... Coy-ly ----- curly@three-stooges.com (there, spammers... take THAT and have fun with it.) From dbecker@cpicorp.com Thu Dec 5 14:07:20 EST 2002 Article: 13933 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-xfer.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!lerami!lerami.lerctr.org!egsner!dfw-feed.news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cpicorp.com!not-for-mail From: Derek Chen-Becker Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with stdout and stderr for kermit95 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:48:00 -0600 Organization: CPI Corporation Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dbecker-ld.cpicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cpimail.cpicorp.com 1039114025 21353 131.100.250.5 (5 Dec 2002 18:47:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cpicorp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:47:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.70.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13933 Hi, I'm using a kermit script as a batch transfer utility in windows and I'm running it from a c# program that acts as a scheduler. There appears to be something strange about how kermit handles console IO because when I try to read fom stderr and stdout on the process that kermit runs in, I get empty streams, although I know there should be output. It works fine under c-kermit on unix, so I was wondering if there is something special I need to do to get kermit to use stderr and stdout under windows like it does in unix. Thanks, Derek -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Chen-Becker Senior Network Engineer CPI Corp, Inc. 1706 Washington Ave St. Louis, MO 63103 314-231-1575 x6014 dbecker@cpicorp.com PGP Key available from public key servers Fingerprint: 1C34 D81E D8A0 641D 6C8C E952 3B15 693F 9184 BC58 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 14:07:23 EST 2002 Article: 13934 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with stdout and stderr for kermit95 Date: 5 Dec 2002 14:06:54 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039115215 3376 128.59.39.139 (5 Dec 2002 19:06:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2002 19:06:55 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13934 In article , Derek Chen-Becker wrote: : I'm using a kermit script as a batch transfer utility in windows : and I'm running it from a c# program that acts as a scheduler. There : appears to be something strange about how kermit handles console IO : because when I try to read fom stderr and stdout on the process that : kermit runs in, I get empty streams, although I know there should be : output. It works fine under c-kermit on unix, so I was wondering if : there is something special I need to do to get kermit to use stderr and : stdout under windows like it does in unix. : Kermit 95 does not use stdin/out unless you tell it to: k95 -h ... -# Kermit 95 Startup Flags Argument: 1 - turn off Win95 special fixes 2 - do not load optional network dlls 4 - do not load optional tapi dlls 8 - do not load optional kerberos dlls 16 - do not load optional zmodem dlls 32 - use stdin for input instead of the console 64 - use stdout for output instead of the console 128 - do not terminate process in response to Session Logoff The numbers are additive. Example: k95 -# 96 To start K95 and have it read from stdin and write to stdout. - Frank From colive@technologEase.com Thu Dec 5 14:27:18 EST 2002 Article: 13935 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators Date: 5 Dec 2002 11:13:32 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.46.200.237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039115612 10504 127.0.0.1 (5 Dec 2002 19:13:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2002 19:13:32 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:359054 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13935 LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) wrote in message news:... > Chris Olive (colive@technologEase.com) wrote: > : > : Your review here and FdC's review and link were both enlightening. I > : understand Frank's comment that PuTTY does 10% of what Kermit does > : (esp. after looking over the comparision link he handed out.) But > : that 10% is all I need. Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is like > : having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is type > : memos. (The analogy totally breaks down though in that I suspect all > : of Kermit's features actually WORK, whereas I wouldn't place a $2 bet > : on any piece of Microsoft pretendware.) > : > Search the archived postings of the comp.os.ms-windows.apps.word-proc > newsgroup for "master document". > > These articles are written by the former Project Manager of Excel, > Joel Spolsky, and may explain why Microsoft software is bloated and > buggy: > > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html > Joel on Software - Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html > Joel on Software - Things You Should Never Do, Part I > > Well, any tangents from these links above probably deserve a new thread, but Joel baby must be running in-house versions, gratis, of MS Windoze because all Windows versions I have EVER used were shot so full of memory leak problems, I've ALWAYS had to give my Windoze boxes a good swift kick in the pants (ie. reboot) to clean up memory leak/(mis)management problems, sometimes DAILY. The architecting of Windows ON PAPER may seem that it handles memory as stated in his articles, but I don't care what he says: it manages memory very poorly. Anyway, it's off-topic from this thread (which was called OT, but wasn't!) so I digress, not to mention I shouldn't be wasting time convincing others what is so obvious to most everyone thats even remotely familiar with a robust OS with real MM. There were other laughable comments that he made. The second link however (unrelated to Windows directly), I had to agree with, regretably. Fredrick Brooks would be proud to claim it as a corollary... Chris ----- chris at technologEase dot com From dbecker@cpicorp.com Thu Dec 5 14:27:22 EST 2002 Article: 13936 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!lerami!lerami.lerctr.org!egsner!dfw-feed.news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cpicorp.com!not-for-mail From: Derek Chen-Becker Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with stdout and stderr for kermit95 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:13:37 -0600 Organization: CPI Corporation Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dbecker-ld.cpicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cpimail.cpicorp.com 1039115568 1955 131.100.250.5 (5 Dec 2002 19:12:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cpicorp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:12:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.70.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13936 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Kermit 95 does not use stdin/out unless you tell it to: > Thanks, I had tried that before and I screwed up my argument list, so I thought I was doing something wrong. I guess I need to adjust where I look in \&@ for command line arguments, right? In either case, does the "exit" command return the optional text on stderr or stdout? Derek -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Chen-Becker Senior Network Engineer CPI Corp, Inc. 1706 Washington Ave St. Louis, MO 63103 314-231-1575 x6014 dbecker@cpicorp.com PGP Key available from public key servers Fingerprint: 1C34 D81E D8A0 641D 6C8C E952 3B15 693F 9184 BC58 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 14:29:56 EST 2002 Article: 13937 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with stdout and stderr for kermit95 Date: 5 Dec 2002 14:29:53 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039116594 4270 128.59.39.139 (5 Dec 2002 19:29:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2002 19:29:54 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13937 In article , Derek Chen-Becker wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > Kermit 95 does not use stdin/out unless you tell it to: : > : I had tried that before and I screwed up my argument list, so I : thought I was doing something wrong. I guess I need to adjust where I : look in \&@ for command line arguments, right? In either case, does the : "exit" command return the optional text on stderr or stdout? : If you start K95 with the "use stdout" bit, all commands write to stdout. As for searching the \&@[] array, it might be better to explain what your goal is and we can suggest ways of achieving it. - Frank From dbecker@cpicorp.com Thu Dec 5 16:54:33 EST 2002 Article: 13938 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newspeer.cts.com!feed2-in.uncensored-news.com!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cpicorp.com!not-for-mail From: Derek Chen-Becker Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with stdout and stderr for kermit95 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:36:33 -0600 Organization: CPI Corporation Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dbecker-ld.cpicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cpimail.cpicorp.com 1039124145 29108 131.100.250.5 (5 Dec 2002 21:35:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cpicorp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:35:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.70.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13938 Frank da Cruz wrote: > As for searching the \&@[] array, it might be better to explain what your > goal is and we can suggest ways of achieving it. > > - Frank I appreciate your help on this. Basically, I'm written a hotfolder script using kermit. The client is a windows machine and the server is a unix box running IKSD out of inetd. The script takes a command line argument of a configuration file that it reads to determine the remote server, username, password, and the location of various folders used for the transfer. I originally developed the script on a unix box, so I didn't need to specify the "-# 64" arg to get output on stdout, so I figured for k95 I just need to shift my index in \&@ over by two. Is there a better way to get command line arguments? On a not completely unrelated note, I was hoping to put purge functionality into the hotfolder script. If a file can't be sent for more that 24 hours, I would like to move it from the hot folder to a "failed" folder. Is there a way in kermit to get a listing of files in a way that I could determine which files are older than "x" hours? The directory command doesn't have time specifiers, and I couldn't find a function that would give me a file's last modified time based on a filename. I would really like to keep it inside the kermit script to simplify the external scheduling program. Thanks, Derek -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Chen-Becker Senior Network Engineer CPI Corp, Inc. 1706 Washington Ave St. Louis, MO 63103 314-231-1575 x6014 dbecker@cpicorp.com PGP Key available from public key servers Fingerprint: 1C34 D81E D8A0 641D 6C8C E952 3B15 693F 9184 BC58 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 16:54:38 EST 2002 Article: 13939 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with stdout and stderr for kermit95 Date: 5 Dec 2002 16:54:30 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039125271 10389 128.59.39.139 (5 Dec 2002 21:54:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2002 21:54:31 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13939 In article , Derek Chen-Becker wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > As for searching the \&@[] array, it might be better to explain what your : > goal is and we can suggest ways of achieving it. : > : I appreciate your help on this. Basically, I'm written a hotfolder : script using kermit. The client is a windows machine and the server is a : unix box running IKSD out of inetd. The script takes a command line : argument of a configuration file that it reads to determine the remote : server, username, password, and the location of various folders used for : the transfer. I originally developed the script on a unix box, so I : didn't need to specify the "-# 64" arg to get output on stdout, so I : figured for k95 I just need to shift my index in \&@ over by two. : You might first try putting "-# 64" at the end. : Is there a better way to get command line arguments? : No. : On a not completely unrelated note, I was hoping to put purge : functionality into the hotfolder script. If a file can't be sent for : more that 24 hours, I would like to move it from the hot folder to a : "failed" folder. Is there a way in kermit to get a listing of files in a : way that I could determine which files are older than "x" hours? The : directory command doesn't have time specifiers... : DIRECTORY /BEFORE:-24:00 See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit80.html#x8.13 about new date-time features in C-Kermit 8.0 / K95 2.0, especially: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit80.html#x8.13.4 about delta time notation. To get the names of the files that are older than 24 hours into an array, \&a[], do: directory /before:-24:00 /array:&a : ...and I couldn't find a : function that would give me a file's last modified time based on a : filename. : The function is \fdate(filename). It probably wasn't obvious from its name. But in general, you can use SHOW FUNCTIONS to list the names of all the functions, and HELP FUNCTION to describe any given function. : I would really like to keep it inside the kermit script to : simplify the external scheduling program. : Don't assume that any particular thing you want to do can't be done in the Kermit script :-) If it's not obvious, ask here. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Dec 6 12:27:59 EST 2002 Article: 13940 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman [Road Runner NYC]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal Server compatibility References: <370c08f7.0212050036.366d2241@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Message-ID: <315I9.227110$Up6.40344956@twister.nyc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:22:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.138.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1039195327 66.108.138.151 (Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:22:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:22:07 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13940 limesparks wrote: > Does anyone know if KERMIT 95 is compatible with multiple terminal > users on a Winnt 4.0 Terminal Server? Kermit 95 can be run as an application under NT 4.0 Terminal Server. Use the GUI version and not the Console version. From david.lane@turner.com Fri Dec 6 13:13:16 EST 2002 Article: 13941 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: david.lane@turner.com (David Lane) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: 6 Dec 2002 10:07:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 53 Message-ID: <87a33ed7.0212061007.2ba7d2c8@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.236.240.190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039198061 21549 127.0.0.1 (6 Dec 2002 18:07:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Dec 2002 18:07:41 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13941 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:... > 1 December 2002: > > Today marks the end of a significant period in my life. For the last > eight years I have been privileged to work on and support Kermit as my > career. I began working for Columbia University after nearly seven > years as a Kermit user and eventually as primary developer of OS/2 > C-Kermit which became the basis for Kermit 95 on Windows 95/98/ME > and Windows NT4/2000/XP. Ouch. I remember several occasions when you responded to my questions within *minutes* while I was working on C-Kermit 7 for VOS, oh these many years ago. Your active involvement will be sorely missed. [Snip] > I tried to look back and summarize all of the features that were added > to Kermit in the last eight years and I became overwhelmed. There > were [a huge number]. [snip, including list of much non-Kermit work] > Last but not least I want to say thank you to Frank da Cruz, Max > Evarts, Christine Gianone, everyone I've worked with at Columbia > University; and all of the wonderful users that have supported Kermit > over the years most notably: Peter Runestig, Mark Zinzow, Kent Martin, > Arthur Marsh, Perry Wolfe, Robert Strickler, Greg Belenger, Clarence > Dold, Thomas Dickey, Jim Schneider, Vincent Fatica, Gene Alexander, > and everyone else whose name I can't pull off the top of my head. > Without you Kermit would not be any fun at all. And as now "just a user," I thank all of those other users and you. You and Frank made the short time I spent coding on Kermit enjoyable, and worthwhile, by removing the frustration factor and being supportive. Indeed as others have suggested, it's time for the rest of us to pitch in to support what is an *amazing* product. Others have listed good ways to do this such as purchasing, patches, and promotion. As I think back, I know I have gotten far, far more out of the Kermit project than I have given back, for which I'm embarrassed. Seems to me that the K95 package would make a nice Christmas gift :-) Purchase and promotion in one! > Jeffrey Altman * Volunteer Developer Kermit 95 2.1 GUI available now!!! > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University SSH, Secure Telnet, Secure FTP, HTTP > http://www.kermit-project.org/ Secured with MIT Kerberos, SRP, and > kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. -- David Lane (late of Stratus Computer) lane at columbia dot edu Lead Software Engineer, Enterprise Systems And my guest account is Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. still there! An AOL Time Warner company. <-- they make me say that. From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Dec 6 13:34:16 EST 2002 Article: 13942 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community Date: 6 Dec 2002 13:34:08 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <87a33ed7.0212061007.2ba7d2c8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039199649 23759 128.59.39.139 (6 Dec 2002 18:34:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Dec 2002 18:34:09 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13942 In article <87a33ed7.0212061007.2ba7d2c8@posting.google.com>, David Lane wrote: : ... : As I think back, I know I have gotten far, far more out of the Kermit : project than I have given back, for which I'm embarrassed. Seems to me : that the K95 package would make a nice Christmas gift :-) Purchase and : promotion in one! : : David Lane (late of Stratus Computer) lane at columbia dot edu : Lead Software Engineer, Enterprise Systems And my guest account is : Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. still there! : An AOL Time Warner company. <-- they make me say that. : Thanks David (and for VOS C-Kermit too!) Yes, K95 orders -- especially for bulk or academic site licenses -- would be most welcome. The new K95 2.1 shrinkwraps will be out in a few weeks; you can preorder them now at the old price: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95order.html Great stocking stuffers, Hannukah gifts, end-of-Ramadan presents, etc. Speaking of which, now that the holiday shopping season is upon us, there's a new and painless way to help the Kermit Project. We set up an Amazon.Com Associate account a while ago for the Kermit items that are/were sold there (books; hopefully the K95 shrinkwap will be back on Amazon soon too). It turns out that if you access Amazon through an Associate link, then the associate (Kermit in this case) gets a small commission on ANY purchase -- CDs, DVDs, cookbooks, toys, socks, whatever. So if you were buying at Amazon anyway, visit through the Amazon.Com link on the Kermit home page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Thanks. Every little bit helps. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Dec 6 14:10:49 EST 2002 Article: 13943 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman [Road Runner NYC]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Letter to the Kermit Community References: <87a33ed7.0212061007.2ba7d2c8@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:48:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.138.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1039200520 66.108.138.151 (Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:48:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:48:40 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13943 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Speaking of which, now that the holiday shopping season is upon us, there's > a new and painless way to help the Kermit Project. We set up an Amazon.Com > Associate account a while ago for the Kermit items that are/were sold there > (books; hopefully the K95 shrinkwap will be back on Amazon soon too). It > turns out that if you access Amazon through an Associate link, then the > associate (Kermit in this case) gets a small commission on ANY purchase -- > CDs, DVDs, cookbooks, toys, socks, whatever. So if you were buying at > Amazon anyway, visit through the Amazon.Com link on the Kermit home page: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > > Thanks. Every little bit helps. > > - Frank Maybe you should talk to MBNA about a Kermit Project MasterCard. I would happily give up my Columbia U. card for a Kermit card. :-) - Jeff From jbsp78@yahoo.com Fri Dec 6 16:38:35 EST 2002 Article: 13944 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jbsp78@yahoo.com (Jesse Byler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Serial Connection over SSH Date: 6 Dec 2002 13:31:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 29 Message-ID: <99b5f249.0212061331.5fcb9bed@posting.google.com> References: <99b5f249.0212031734.50e141be@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.96.115.194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039210309 5579 127.0.0.1 (6 Dec 2002 21:31:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Dec 2002 21:31:49 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13944 Thanks for the suggestion. sredird will do exactly what I want if I can get it to work on Windows 2000. With a few modifications I got it to compile, but so far I can't get it to access the serial port correctly - I get a sequence of about 20 characters of high ascii gibberish whether anything is attached to the serial port or not, and I think it's always the same sequence. Anyway, I've also found some commercial products that claim to do what sredird does (TCPCom from TALtech and AlarIT Virtual Serial Driver Server), so I'll give their demos a try for now and maybe debug sredird later. Thanks again! -Jesse jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:... > K95 will not do what you want. It was not designed to run under > a cygwin environment. > > However, I belive that the best approach for you to take is not to > run C-Kermit under cygwin but instead to install sredird under > cygwin and then access the serial port directly from C-Kermit on Linux > If you require security wrap sredird with stunnel and then connect to > it using > > SET HOST hostname port /TLS-TELNET > > from C-Kermit From dbecker@cpicorp.com Mon Dec 9 13:45:28 EST 2002 Article: 13945 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cpicorp.com!not-for-mail From: Derek Chen-Becker Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with date/time formatting in kermit Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 12:33:40 -0600 Organization: CPI Corporation Lines: 31 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dbecker-ld.cpicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cpimail.cpicorp.com 1039458813 28953 131.100.250.5 (9 Dec 2002 18:33:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cpicorp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:33:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.70.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13945 Hi, I'm trying to generate a timestamp file with a filename including the FTP MDTM formatted time (YYYYMMDDhhmmss) and I was wondering if there's a better way to do it than: assign parts \fsplit(\v(time),&t,":") assign filename timestamp.\v(ndate)\fjoin(&t,"",0,1) I was reading the kermit 7.0 and 8.0 supplements along with our copy of "Using C-Kermit", and although it looks like kermit can parse a lot of different date formats, I can't figure out how to make it write to a specific date format. Thanks, Derek -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Chen-Becker Senior Network Engineer CPI Corp, Inc. 1706 Washington Ave St. Louis, MO 63103 314-231-1575 x6014 dbecker@cpicorp.com PGP Key available from public key servers Fingerprint: 1C34 D81E D8A0 641D 6C8C E952 3B15 693F 9184 BC58 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 13:45:31 EST 2002 Article: 13946 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with date/time formatting in kermit Date: 9 Dec 2002 13:45:25 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039459526 14204 128.59.39.139 (9 Dec 2002 18:45:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2002 18:45:26 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13946 In article , Derek Chen-Becker wrote: : I'm trying to generate a timestamp file with a filename including : the FTP MDTM formatted time (YYYYMMDDhhmmss) and I was wondering if : there's a better way to do it than: : : assign parts \fsplit(\v(time),&t,":") : assign filename timestamp.\v(ndate)\fjoin(&t,"",0,1) : This is simpler: \fsubstitute(\v(timestamp),:\32,) : I was reading the kermit 7.0 and 8.0 supplements along with our copy of : "Using C-Kermit", and although it looks like kermit can parse a lot of : different date formats, I can't figure out how to make it write to a : specific date format. : Dates are always output in the same (easily parsable) format, but you you can use string and other functions to reformat them any way you want. - Frank From neoguri808@yahoo.com Mon Dec 9 13:53:38 EST 2002 Article: 13947 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: neoguri808@yahoo.com (Jerry Chang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: compiling kermit to use ascii lock files Date: 9 Dec 2002 10:48:11 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.249.182.100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039459691 30141 127.0.0.1 (9 Dec 2002 18:48:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2002 18:48:11 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13947 Hi, How do i compile kermit to use ascii lock files instead of binary? I'm running HP-UX 11.11 and qpage 3.3. qpage ignores the binary lock file kermit creates. I tried -DHDBUUCP but kermit continues to use binary PID lock files. Thanks in advance, Jerry From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 13:53:40 EST 2002 Article: 13948 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling kermit to use ascii lock files Date: 9 Dec 2002 13:53:30 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039460012 14742 128.59.39.139 (9 Dec 2002 18:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2002 18:53:32 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13948 In article , Jerry Chang wrote: : How do i compile kermit to use ascii lock : files instead of binary? : : I'm running HP-UX 11.11 and qpage 3.3. qpage ignores the : binary lock file kermit creates. I tried -DHDBUUCP but : kermit continues to use binary PID lock files. : Which version of Kermit? The current version is C-Kermit 8.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html Does C-Kermit follow the HP-UX standard? If so, then it's qpage that needs fixing. (To test, see where HP-UX cu puts its lockfiles.) Users are not given the ability to change the lockfile location or contents or format; that would be rather self-defeating. More about lockfiles here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x10 It is the responsibility of every application to ensure that its lockfile definitions agree with those of the operating system and version where it is to be used. - Frank From dbecker@cpicorp.com Tue Dec 10 09:09:46 EST 2002 Article: 13949 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cpicorp.com!not-for-mail From: Derek Chen-Becker Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remote DIR into array? Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:15:02 -0600 Organization: CPI Corporation Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dbecker-ld.cpicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cpimail.cpicorp.com 1039475695 8953 131.100.250.5 (9 Dec 2002 23:14:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cpicorp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:14:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.70.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13949 Hi, I was wondering if there's an easy way to get a remote directory listing into an array. I was hoping that the /array switch would work for RDIR, but it didn't seem to work. Thanks, Derek -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Chen-Becker Senior Network Engineer CPI Corp, Inc. 1706 Washington Ave St. Louis, MO 63103 314-231-1575 x6014 dbecker@cpicorp.com PGP Key available from public key servers Fingerprint: 1C34 D81E D8A0 641D 6C8C E952 3B15 693F 9184 BC58 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Tue Dec 10 09:09:56 EST 2002 Article: 13952 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman [Road Runner NYC]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote DIR into array? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6HfJ9.235717$gB.43015314@twister.nyc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:18:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.138.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1039501122 66.108.138.151 (Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:18:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:18:42 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13952 If you are connected to a Kermit SERVER REMOTE QUERY KERMIT files() ; \v(query) will now contain the number of files that match the pattern ASSIGN foo \v(query) FOR \%i 1 \m(foo) 1 { REMOTE QUERY KERMIT nextfile() ; \v(query) now has a filename ECHO \v(query) } Derek Chen-Becker wrote: > Hi, > I was wondering if there's an easy way to get a remote directory > listing into an array. I was hoping that the /array switch would work > for RDIR, but it didn't seem to work. > > Thanks, > > Derek > From neoguri808@yahoo.com Tue Dec 10 09:10:26 EST 2002 Article: 13950 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: neoguri808@yahoo.com (Jerry Chang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling kermit to use ascii lock files Date: 9 Dec 2002 16:00:27 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.249.182.100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039478427 23676 127.0.0.1 (10 Dec 2002 00:00:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2002 00:00:27 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13950 Hi Frank, I ran cu and the lock file it created was indeed a binary lock file. I guess I was barking up the wrong tree. Thanks for the feedback, Jerry fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:... > In article , > Jerry Chang wrote: > : How do i compile kermit to use ascii lock > : files instead of binary? > : > : I'm running HP-UX 11.11 and qpage 3.3. qpage ignores the > : binary lock file kermit creates. I tried -DHDBUUCP but > : kermit continues to use binary PID lock files. > : > Which version of Kermit? The current version is C-Kermit 8.0: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html > > Does C-Kermit follow the HP-UX standard? If so, then it's qpage > that needs fixing. (To test, see where HP-UX cu puts its lockfiles.) > > Users are not given the ability to change the lockfile location > or contents or format; that would be rather self-defeating. > More about lockfiles here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x10 > > It is the responsibility of every application to ensure that its > lockfile definitions agree with those of the operating system and > version where it is to be used. > > - Frank From dbecker@cpicorp.com Tue Dec 10 09:12:15 EST 2002 Article: 13951 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cpicorp.com!not-for-mail From: Derek Chen-Becker Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Interesting behavior of IKSD "set receive move-to" and "set send move-to" Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:49:06 -0600 Organization: CPI Corporation Lines: 95 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dbecker-ld.cpicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cpimail.cpicorp.com 1039481340 153 131.100.250.5 (10 Dec 2002 00:49:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cpicorp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:49:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.70.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13951 Hi, I'm working on a transfer script in which I'd like to use the move-to features of send and receive on the IKSD side of the connection and I've noticed some very interesting behavior. I have the following directory structure on my IKSD server account home directory: ~/ ~/.kermrc ~/complete-tx ~/complete-rx ~/ct ~/ct/incoming ~/ct/outgoing ~/ct/complete-tx ~/ct/complete-rx And my .kermrc contents are: set file type binary set file incomplete keep set file names literal set transfer crc on set transfer slow-start off set receive move-to complete-rx set send move-to complete-tx set file collision update set reliable on On the client side I do the following: 1. Log into the server with IKSD 2. rcd to the "ct" directory 3. send a file: "resend test.file incoming/test.file" 4. receive files: "reget outgoing/*" 5. close the connection Files that I send succesfully are moved from the ~/ct/incoming directory to the ~/ct/complete-rx directory, and files I receive succesfully are moved from ~/ct/outgoing to ~/ct/complete-tx. This is the behavior I expected. The two "complete" directories at the root of the home directory were remnants of an earlier attempt at the script, so I removed them. As soon as I removed those two directories, files I send stay in ~/ct/incoming and files I receive stay in ~/ct/outgoing. This is not the behavior I expected. Have I found a bug, or is something else going on here? This is what the logs for files I receive look like with the 2 directories in place: Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test1: rename to /home/ktest/ct/complete-tx/test1 failed (No such file or directory) Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test2: open read ok Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test2: rename to /home/ktest/ct/complete-tx/test2 failed (No such file or directory) Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test3: open read ok Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test3: rename to /home/ktest/ct/complete-tx/test3 failed (No such file or directory) This is what the logs for files I receive look like with the 2 directories removed: Dec 9 18:27:19 zeus iksd[28967]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test1: open read ok Dec 9 18:27:19 zeus iksd[28967]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test2: open read ok Dec 9 18:27:19 zeus iksd[28967]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test3: open read ok I'm running K95 2.1.1 on the client and C-kermit 8.0.206 on the server. Thanks, Derek -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Chen-Becker Senior Network Engineer CPI Corp, Inc. 1706 Washington Ave St. Louis, MO 63103 314-231-1575 x6014 dbecker@cpicorp.com PGP Key available from public key servers Fingerprint: 1C34 D81E D8A0 641D 6C8C E952 3B15 693F 9184 BC58 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Tue Dec 10 09:12:24 EST 2002 Article: 13953 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DF588ED.7090104@nyc.rr.com> Disposition-Notification-To: "Jeffrey Altman [Road Runner NYC]" From: "Jeffrey Altman [Road Runner NYC]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Interesting behavior of IKSD "set receive move-to" and "set send move-to" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 87 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:22:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.138.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1039501332 66.108.138.151 (Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:22:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:22:12 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13953 You will need to generate a debug.log file on the IKSD side and send it in to kermit-support@columbia.edu for examining. Derek Chen-Becker wrote: > Hi, > I'm working on a transfer script in which I'd like to use the > move-to features of send and receive on the IKSD side of the connection > and I've noticed some very interesting behavior. I have the following > directory structure on my IKSD server account home directory: > > ~/ > ~/.kermrc > ~/complete-tx > ~/complete-rx > ~/ct > ~/ct/incoming > ~/ct/outgoing > ~/ct/complete-tx > ~/ct/complete-rx > > And my .kermrc contents are: > > set file type binary > set file incomplete keep > set file names literal > set transfer crc on > set transfer slow-start off > set receive move-to complete-rx > set send move-to complete-tx > set file collision update > set reliable on > > On the client side I do the following: > > 1. Log into the server with IKSD > 2. rcd to the "ct" directory > 3. send a file: "resend test.file incoming/test.file" > 4. receive files: "reget outgoing/*" > 5. close the connection > > Files that I send succesfully are moved from the ~/ct/incoming directory > to the ~/ct/complete-rx directory, and files I receive succesfully are > moved from ~/ct/outgoing to ~/ct/complete-tx. This is the behavior I > expected. The two "complete" directories at the root of the home > directory were remnants of an earlier attempt at the script, so I > removed them. As soon as I removed those two directories, files I send > stay in ~/ct/incoming and files I receive stay in ~/ct/outgoing. This is > not the behavior I expected. Have I found a bug, or is something else > going on here? > > This is what the logs for files I receive look like with the 2 > directories in place: > > Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test1: > rename to /home/ktest/ct/complete-tx/test1 failed (No such file or > directory) > Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test2: > open read ok > Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test2: > rename to /home/ktest/ct/complete-tx/test2 failed (No such file or > directory) > Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test3: > open read ok > Dec 9 18:37:36 zeus iksd[29813]: file[] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test3: > rename to /home/ktest/ct/complete-tx/test3 failed (No such file or > directory) > > This is what the logs for files I receive look like with the 2 > directories removed: > > Dec 9 18:27:19 zeus iksd[28967]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test1: > open read ok > Dec 9 18:27:19 zeus iksd[28967]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test2: > open read ok > Dec 9 18:27:19 zeus iksd[28967]: file[2] /home/ktest/ct/outgoing/test3: > open read ok > > I'm running K95 2.1.1 on the client and C-kermit 8.0.206 on the server. > > > Thanks, > > Derek > > > From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 09:45:04 EST 2002 Article: 13954 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Interesting behavior of IKSD "set receive move-to" and "set send move-to" Date: 10 Dec 2002 09:44:38 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039531479 3905 128.59.39.139 (10 Dec 2002 14:44:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2002 14:44:39 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13954 In article , Derek Chen-Becker wrote: : I'm working on a transfer script in which I'd like to use the : move-to features of send and receive on the IKSD side of the connection : and I've noticed some very interesting behavior. I have the following : directory structure on my IKSD server account home directory: : ... : As soon as I removed those two directories, files I send : stay in ~/ct/incoming and files I receive stay in ~/ct/outgoing. This is : not the behavior I expected. Have I found a bug, or is something else : going on here? : A typo. In the first case you spelled "ct" right. In the second case, you spelled it "cr". From your first log: zchdir[ct] proto xferstat[]=1 >From your second log: zchdir[cr] cwd failed[cr] proto xferstat[Can't change directory]=0 - Frank From dbecker@cpicorp.com Tue Dec 10 11:29:52 EST 2002 Article: 13955 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cpicorp.com!not-for-mail From: Derek Chen-Becker Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Interesting behavior of IKSD "set receive move-to" and "set send move-to" Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:02:40 -0600 Organization: CPI Corporation Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3DF60210.4000309@cpicorp.com> References: <200212101444.gBAEieY6013565@watsol.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dbecker-ld.cpicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cpimail.cpicorp.com 1039532554 13960 131.100.250.5 (10 Dec 2002 15:02:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cpicorp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:02:34 +0000 (UTC) To: Frank da Cruz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <200212101444.gBAEieY6013565@watsol.cc.columbia.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.70.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13955 Right. I actually issued the correct "rcd ct" later on in the debug log. I guess I should have redone that log to avoid confusion. Sorry about that. I have actually confirmed the same behavior under 8.0.200 on Solaris as well. Thanks, Derek Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article , > Derek Chen-Becker wrote: > : I'm working on a transfer script in which I'd like to use the > : move-to features of send and receive on the IKSD side of the connection > : and I've noticed some very interesting behavior. I have the following > : directory structure on my IKSD server account home directory: > : ... > : As soon as I removed those two directories, files I send > : stay in ~/ct/incoming and files I receive stay in ~/ct/outgoing. This is > : not the behavior I expected. Have I found a bug, or is something else > : going on here? > : > A typo. In the first case you spelled "ct" right. In the second case, > you spelled it "cr". From your first log: > > zchdir[ct] > proto xferstat[]=1 > >>From your second log: > > zchdir[cr] > cwd failed[cr] > proto xferstat[Can't change directory]=0 > > - Frank > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Chen-Becker Senior Network Engineer CPI Corp, Inc. 1706 Washington Ave St. Louis, MO 63103 314-231-1575 x6014 dbecker@cpicorp.com PGP Key available from public key servers Fingerprint: 1C34 D81E D8A0 641D 6C8C E952 3B15 693F 9184 BC58 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 11:33:22 EST 2002 Article: 13956 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Interesting behavior of IKSD "set receive move-to" and "set send move-to" Date: 10 Dec 2002 11:33:04 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <200212101444.gBAEieY6013565@watsol.cc.columbia.edu> <3DF60210.4000309@cpicorp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039537987 8678 128.59.39.139 (10 Dec 2002 16:33:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2002 16:33:07 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13956 In article <3DF60210.4000309@cpicorp.com>, Derek Chen-Becker wrote: : > A typo. In the first case you spelled "ct" right. In the second case, : > you spelled it "cr". From your first log: : > : > zchdir[ct] : > proto xferstat[]=1 : > : >>From your second log: : > : > zchdir[cr] : > cwd failed[cr] : > proto xferstat[Can't change directory]=0 : : Right. I actually issued the correct "rcd ct" later on in the debug log. : I guess I should have redone that log to avoid confusion. Sorry about : that. I have actually confirmed the same behavior under 8.0.200 on : Solaris as well. : The problem is that when the attempt to change to a non-existent directory fails, a global exit-status flag is set which affects future actions. Please run your test again without the typo. If it still fails, send us a fresh set of logs and we'll take it from there. - Frank From huang@monair.com Wed Dec 11 15:11:10 EST 2002 Article: 13957 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!teleglobe.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Huang" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: remote dir Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:37:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.44.244.66 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 1039635480 208.44.244.66 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:00 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:00 CST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13957 Hi Everyone: I am using TurboPower Async ActiveX. On the client, I sent a 'G' packet with 'D' as the Data field. Then on 3.15 Server, it tries to send $KERMIT$.TMP over, but when I tries to receive the file, it logs the following messages. On the server and client, I have the Block-check-type set to be CRC If I sent a 'G' packet with 'FINISH' or 'LOGOUT' as the Data field, then it works find. Thanks. Frank Huang Rpack: ^A, GD READ.ME6^M Spack: ^A5 S~( @-#Y3~^?5% ___E#^M Rpack: ^A0 Yp% @-#Y3~ ! Z^M Spack: ^A)!Xdir !R>^M Rpack: ^A# N&0 Spack: ^A'!Xdir "^M Rpack: 6^M^A# N&0 Spack: ^A'!Xdir "^M Rpack: 6^M^A# N&0 Spack: ^A'!Xdir "^M Rpack: 6^M^A# N&0 Spack: ^A'!Xdir "^M Rpack: 6^M^A# N&0 Spack: ^A'!Xdir "^M Rpack: 6^M^A# N&0 Spack: ^A3!EToo many retries ^M Rpack: 6^M^A# N&0 From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 15:11:14 EST 2002 Article: 13958 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: remote dir Date: 11 Dec 2002 15:10:49 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039637450 7420 128.59.39.139 (11 Dec 2002 20:10:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Dec 2002 20:10:50 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13958 In article , Frank Huang wrote: : Hi Everyone: : I am using TurboPower Async ActiveX. : On the client, I sent a 'G' packet with 'D' as the Data field. : Then on 3.15 Server, it tries to send $KERMIT$.TMP over, but when I : tries to receive the file, it logs : the following messages. : On the server and client, I have the Block-check-type set to be CRC : If I sent a 'G' packet with 'FINISH' or 'LOGOUT' as the Data field, then : it works find. : We don't provide a debugging service for competitors who sell unlicensed implementations of our protocol. MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 includes a correct implementation that can be used on DOS and on Windows 3.x. MS-DOS Kermit is not supported on 32-bit Windows, which has its own Kermit software, Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html But that's not the problem in this case. Your log shows: : Rpack: ^A, GD READ.ME6^M : Spack: ^A5 S~( @-#Y3~^?5% ___E#^M : Rpack: ^A0 Yp% @-#Y3~ ! Z^M : Spack: ^A)!Xdir !R>^M : Rpack: ^A# N&0 : : MS-DOS Kermit sent a correct X packet with the three-byte block check (CRC) that was successfully negotiated. The other Kermit could not read it and sent a NAK. Furthermore the NAK itself is malformed (it claims to have a 1-byte checksum, but in fact has a two byte one; even if you ignore the spurious second byte, the first one is wrong): : Spack: ^A'!Xdir "^M : Rpack: 6^M^A# N&0 : : Since it keeps happening, it's not because of transmission errors; it's because the other Kermit program is totally broken. Maybe it will work better with 1-byte checksums. If you want to embed Kermit protocol in a Windows application you are developing, perhaps you should come to us for it since we know the protocol and actually go to some lengths to implement it correctly and efficiently. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#embedding and: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ek.html Better still, companies that make products like the one you are trying to use should come to us and license a supported implementation, instead of torturing their customers as well as end-users (not to mention us and the readers of this newsgroup) with broken and/or substandard implementations. - Frank From LeslieNOSPAMCharles@comcast.net Wed Dec 11 16:08:51 EST 2002 Article: 13959 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:39:36 -0600 Reply-To: "Leslie Charles" From: "Leslie Charles" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Blacklisting Message Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:39:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.45.6.96 X-Trace: sv3-TZu4cl1Raz4Eb6OQqS18WuvWn6lA8K4kCBfEuCmC+v3mxPyx1aGUa+jAH8T2AijLsB7vz+Vn7a/k5Uu!WiBQXzs+gxlxfGSYV7Wnpqng8g4TJ8VSkB39lNnI1y9sIBtn1bdST/0MGA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13959 Just received this error following a dialout ATDTxxxxxxxxxx. log shows various AT setup commands commands, then ATDTxxxxxxxxx Blacklisting ATQ0 OK It repeats as long retries are attempted. What does this message imply? I couldn't find it in the index. It almost sounds like I have violated a trial period or license, but to my knowledge I have a properly registered version of Kermit 95 2.0.1. A second copy has been downloaded but not deployed. I have been given the serial number for that one yet. From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 16:08:53 EST 2002 Article: 13960 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Blacklisting Message Date: 11 Dec 2002 16:08:48 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039640929 9923 128.59.39.139 (11 Dec 2002 21:08:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Dec 2002 21:08:49 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13960 In article , Leslie Charles wrote: : Just received this error following a dialout ATDTxxxxxxxxxx. : log shows various AT setup commands commands, then : : ATDTxxxxxxxxx : : Blacklisting : ATQ0 : : OK : : It repeats as long retries are attempted. : : What does this message imply? : Your phone has been dialing to too much. Details depend on the modem and the telephone service provider. : I couldn't find it in the index. It almost : sounds like I have violated a trial period or license... : It has nothing to do with Kermit. It's a message from (or an interpretation of a message from) your modem, which in turn might be in response to some action taken by the phone company. For clarification, tell Kermit to: set dial display on (if you haven't already). - Frank From Phil.McDermott@e-ci.com Thu Dec 12 12:09:23 EST 2002 Article: 13961 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: Phil.McDermott@e-ci.com (Phil) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mapping COM port to TCP/IP device address Date: 12 Dec 2002 06:56:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <70b5637.0212120656.61ee39a8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.47.97.10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039704988 29717 127.0.0.1 (12 Dec 2002 14:56:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 2002 14:56:28 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13961 Hello, We are currently using Kermit which is embeddeded into an industrial control. The control has a RS232 port which can then be wired to a PC COM port and running Kermit 95 to transfer files. What I would like to do is add a Serial to Ethernet converter device (NPort www.moxa.com for example) to the control to eliminate the need to run RS232 to the control. The idea is the control could be accessed from a PC anywhere on the network. What I'm not sure about is can Kermit 95 access an IP address directly just as it would a COM port. Or do I need to get a driver for Windows that maps a virtual COM port to a TCP/IP address that Kermit 95 can then access. I understand how Kermit uses Telnet to do access a TCP/IP address, but our control does not support Telnet. It only supports the Kermit protocol directly. Phil From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 12:13:16 EST 2002 Article: 13962 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mapping COM port to TCP/IP device address Date: 12 Dec 2002 12:13:12 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <70b5637.0212120656.61ee39a8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1039713193 29620 128.59.39.139 (12 Dec 2002 17:13:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 2002 17:13:13 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13962 In article <70b5637.0212120656.61ee39a8@posting.google.com>, Phil wrote: : We are currently using Kermit which is embeddeded into an industrial : control. The control has a RS232 port which can then be wired to a PC : COM port and running Kermit 95 to transfer files. : : What I would like to do is add a Serial to Ethernet converter device : (NPort www.moxa.com for example) to the control to eliminate the need : to run RS232 to the control. The idea is the control could be : accessed from a PC anywhere on the network. : : What I'm not sure about is can Kermit 95 access an IP address directly : just as it would a COM port. Or do I need to get a driver for Windows : that maps a virtual COM port to a TCP/IP address that Kermit 95 can : then access. I understand how Kermit uses Telnet to do access a : TCP/IP address, but our control does not support Telnet. It only : supports the Kermit protocol directly. : No problem. Kermit can also make connections to raw TCP/IP sockets: set host /network-type:tcp/ip ip-name-or-address [ port-number ] /raw-socket - Frank From huang@monair.com Thu Dec 12 14:10:27 EST 2002 Article: 13963 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Huang" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: remote dir Lines: 74 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:00:47 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.44.244.66 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 1039719648 208.44.244.66 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:00:48 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:00:48 CST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13963 Frank: Thanks for your help. Frank Huang "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:at8649$2qj$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu... > In article , > Frank Huang wrote: > : Hi Everyone: > : I am using TurboPower Async ActiveX. > : On the client, I sent a 'G' packet with 'D' as the Data field. > : Then on 3.15 Server, it tries to send $KERMIT$.TMP over, but when I > : tries to receive the file, it logs > : the following messages. > : On the server and client, I have the Block-check-type set to be CRC > : If I sent a 'G' packet with 'FINISH' or 'LOGOUT' as the Data field, then > : it works find. > : > We don't provide a debugging service for competitors who sell unlicensed > implementations of our protocol. MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 includes a correct > implementation that can be used on DOS and on Windows 3.x. MS-DOS Kermit > is not supported on 32-bit Windows, which has its own Kermit software, > Kermit 95: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > > But that's not the problem in this case. > > Your log shows: > > : Rpack: ^A, GD READ.ME6^M > : Spack: ^A5 S~( @-#Y3~^?5% ___E#^M > : Rpack: ^A0 Yp% @-#Y3~ ! Z^M > : Spack: ^A)!Xdir !R>^M > : Rpack: ^A# N&0 > : > : > MS-DOS Kermit sent a correct X packet with the three-byte block check (CRC) > that was successfully negotiated. The other Kermit could not read it and > sent a NAK. Furthermore the NAK itself is malformed (it claims to have a > 1-byte checksum, but in fact has a two byte one; even if you ignore the > spurious second byte, the first one is wrong): > > : Spack: ^A'!Xdir "^M > : Rpack: 6^M^A# N&0 > : > : > Since it keeps happening, it's not because of transmission errors; it's > because the other Kermit program is totally broken. Maybe it will work > better with 1-byte checksums. > > If you want to embed Kermit protocol in a Windows application you are > developing, perhaps you should come to us for it since we know the protocol > and actually go to some lengths to implement it correctly and efficiently. > See: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#embedding > > and: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ek.html > > Better still, companies that make products like the one you are trying to > use should come to us and license a supported implementation, instead of > torturing their customers as well as end-users (not to mention us and the > readers of this newsgroup) with broken and/or substandard implementations. > > - Frank From ebh@burntmail.com Tue Dec 17 13:49:12 EST 2002 Article: 13965 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: ebh@burntmail.com (EBH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Control characters with minput Date: 17 Dec 2002 10:34:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6b84683a.0212171034.6c28e6fe@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.127.208.96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1040150082 14358 127.0.0.1 (17 Dec 2002 18:34:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Dec 2002 18:34:42 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13965 I recently upgraded from kermit version 6.0.192 to kermit version 8.0.206, and it seems to me that minput functions differently. I have a kermit script that waits for an ENQ from the remote computer nad sends a transaction is response to the ENQ. I wrote the following code to search for ENQ or EOT and move to the correct part of the script accordingly: minput 60 \005 \004 switch \v(minput) { :0, echo {*** No response received, redialing ***}, - goto RESTART, break :1, echo {Transmitting \%c - \%k:\%m}, - goto ENQ, break :2, echo {*** EOT received, redialing ***}, - goto RESTART, break :default, echo {Invalid resonse: \v(input), sending NAK}, - increment num'enq, output \021, goto START } This worked fine in kermit 6.0.192, but in kermit 8.0.206 even though I get a Ctrl-E and the command "echo \fcode(\v(input))" prints 5, but the switch always executes the code for 0. And when I issue "echo \v(minput)" it returns 0. So, the question is as follows: Did this cahnge in kermit 7 or 8. And if it did, how can use minput to search for multiple control characters? From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Dec 17 13:49:27 EST 2002 Article: 13966 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Control characters with minput Date: 17 Dec 2002 13:46:00 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <6b84683a.0212171034.6c28e6fe@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1040150774 8565 128.59.39.139 (17 Dec 2002 18:46:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Dec 2002 18:46:14 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13966 In article <6b84683a.0212171034.6c28e6fe@posting.google.com>, EBH wrote: : I recently upgraded from kermit version 6.0.192 to kermit version : 8.0.206, and it seems to me that minput functions differently. I have : a kermit script that waits for an ENQ from the remote computer nad : sends a transaction is response to the ENQ. : : I wrote the following code to search for ENQ or EOT and move to the : correct part of the script accordingly: : : minput 60 \005 \004 : switch \v(minput) { : :0, echo {*** No response received, redialing ***}, - : goto RESTART, break : :1, echo {Transmitting \%c - \%k:\%m}, - : goto ENQ, break : :2, echo {*** EOT received, redialing ***}, - : goto RESTART, break : :default, echo {Invalid resonse: \v(input), sending NAK}, - : increment num'enq, output \021, goto START : } : : This worked fine in kermit 6.0.192, but in kermit 8.0.206 even though : I get a Ctrl-E and the command "echo \fcode(\v(input))" prints 5, but : the switch always executes the code for 0. And when I issue "echo : \v(minput)" it returns 0. : : So, the question is as follows: Did this cahnge in kermit 7 or 8. And : if it did, how can use minput to search for multiple control : characters? : I guess it's a syntax quirk as the language has evolved over the years. Try it this way (in C-Kermit 8.0): minput 60 "\5" "\4" switch \v(minput) { :0, echo "*** No response received - redialing ***" goto RESTART break :1, echo "Transmitting \%c - \%k:\%m" goto ENQ break :2, echo "*** EOT received - redialing ***" goto RESTART break :default echo "Invalid resonse [\v(input)] - sending NAK" increment num'enq output \021 goto START } (Yes, the old way should still work but apparently it doesn't). - Frank From compubwl@idirect.com Tue Dec 17 14:14:53 EST 2002 Article: 13967 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: "Daniel Fine" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer over TCP/IP Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:02:58 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.251.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1040151775 64.229.251.194 (Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:02:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:02:55 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13967 After working on serial lines for a while, we now have TCP available. We need to do the following. Transfer a file from the Linux box to the Windows Box over the network. Kermit is up to date on both sides. I want the windows box sitting in server mode and the linux box will initiate the transfer. I've racked my brain on this one and just can't seem to get it right. How do I set the network stuff? In the past I used: set line com1 and on the linux side: set line /dev/ttyS0 Please help...I'm just not on the right track to do this over the network. Thanks, Danny From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Dec 17 14:24:35 EST 2002 Article: 13968 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer over TCP/IP Date: 17 Dec 2002 14:24:16 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1040153065 10188 128.59.39.139 (17 Dec 2002 19:24:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Dec 2002 19:24:25 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13968 In article , Daniel Fine wrote: : After working on serial lines for a while, we now have TCP available. : : We need to do the following. Transfer a file from the Linux box to the : Windows Box over the network. Kermit is up to date on both sides. I : want the windows box sitting in server mode and the linux box will : initiate the transfer. : There are lots of ways to do this. : I've racked my brain on this one and just can't seem to get it : right. How do I set the network stuff? In the past I used: set line : com1 and on the linux side: set line /dev/ttyS0 : Yes, and it can be just as simple on the network: Kermit 95: set /server host * 3000 C-Kermit: set host 3000 However, once you set up Kermit 95 to wait for an incoming connection on port 3000, anybody on the entire planet can connect to it without a password, probably not what you wanted. Thus we provide other methods that are more complicated, but safer. If you have Windows NT, 2000, or XP, you can install Kermit 95 as a Service: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/wiksd.html The primary advantage is that it requires incoming clients to authenticate securely against your PC's user database. A second choice (which works in Windows 95/98/ME as well as in NT/2000/XP) is "host mode": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95host.html A third choice is to turn the process around: make the connection from Windows to Linux. After all, Linux is designed for this; no matter how you come in (serial, Telnet, SSH) you get a login prompt, you log in, and then you can start Kermit on the far end and use it to exchange files with your local copy of Kermit on Windows. - Frank From Phil.McDermott@e-ci.com Thu Dec 19 14:36:33 EST 2002 Article: 13970 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: Phil.McDermott@e-ci.com (Phil) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Access to IKSD calls from within application Date: 19 Dec 2002 11:34:56 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <70b5637.0212191134.70f56f23@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.47.97.10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1040326496 19103 127.0.0.1 (19 Dec 2002 19:34:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Dec 2002 19:34:56 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13970 Is it possible to make calls to IKSD from another Windows application running on the same PC that the IKSD service is running on. I can't find anything in the docs that say this is possible, but it seems like it should be if it is truly running as a service. It would be nice to be able to invoke a Kermit transaction (Send File, Receive File, Remote Directory) using Visual C++. Sure, you can always port over the Kermit engine code into the application, but calling the service seems to be a more elegant solution. Phil From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Thu Dec 19 15:53:48 EST 2002 Article: 13971 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!phl-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman [Road Runner NYC]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Access to IKSD calls from within application References: <70b5637.0212191134.70f56f23@posting.google.com> In-Reply-To: <70b5637.0212191134.70f56f23@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:46:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.138.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1040330789 66.108.138.151 (Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:46:29 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:46:29 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13971 Phil wrote: > Is it possible to make calls to IKSD from another Windows application > running on the same PC that the IKSD service is running on. I can't > find anything in the docs that say this is possible, but it seems like > it should be if it is truly running as a service. It would be nice to > be able to invoke a Kermit transaction (Send File, Receive File, > Remote Directory) using Visual C++. > Sure, you can always port over the Kermit engine code into the > application, but calling the service seems to be a more elegant > solution. > > Phil IKSD is a service to provide remote access to the machine. When Kermit is executing as IKSD it does not have functionality to establish connections to other hosts; serial ports; etc. Nor does it have the ability to execute local commands. If you want to execute Kermit functions from within your application, either make calls to K95.exe OR incorporate the embedded Kermit library. http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html http://www.kermit-project.org/ek.html http://www.kermit-project.org/k95faq.html#embedding From rmason@sparky2.esd.mun.ca Fri Dec 20 09:09:25 EST 2002 Article: 13973 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!not-for-mail From: Roger Mason Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and cvs Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:14:43 -0330 Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3E031ECB.8C850F4B@sparky2.esd.mun.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: minnie.esd.mun.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: coranto.ucs.mun.ca 1040391884 19231 134.153.118.19 (20 Dec 2002 13:44:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@coranto.ucs.mun.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:44:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.40 i586) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13973 Hello, I would like to use kermit with cvs to access a remote repository (commit, checkout etc) over a modem connection. Does anyone know if it is possile and, if so, how it is done. Thanks. Roger Mason From jaltman@columbia.edu Sun Dec 22 11:38:38 EST 2002 Article: 13975 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: jaltman@columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: new features for k95 2.1.3 was Re: does agent forwarding work? Date: 22 Dec 2002 11:20:04 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 82 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1040574007 1160 128.59.39.139 (22 Dec 2002 16:20:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Dec 2002 16:20:07 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:13975 In article , Thomas A. Horsley wrote: : Playing around with the new kermit 95, and I can indeed get the agent to : store my keys locally, but when I try the following: : : set ssh agent-forwarding on : ssh agent add \v(appdata)ssh/id_dsa (get passphrase prompt here) : ssh open IP-ADDR : : I get connected to the remote system, but if I run ssh-add on the remote : system, I get: : : "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." : : (the remote system is redhat linux with all the latest updates : for openssh). The 2.1.3 release of Kermit 95 will support Agent Forwarding. I did the work last night to implement it along with some other new features: . SET TERMINAL LINE-SPACING in case you do not like single spaced terminals. valid values are between 1.0 and 3.0 . Many new extended command line options: --nomenubar --notoolbar --nostatusbar --nobars :: all of the above --nopush :: same as NOPUSH command, prevents external command execution --noescape :: same as SET TERM ESCAPE-CHAR DISABLE. Nullifies the escape character and the \Kexit keyboard verb (alt-x) --noscroll :: disables scrollbars and scroll keyboard verbs (NOSCROLL) --lockdown :: combines all of the above . Fixed printing a mouse selection . SET TERMINAL CURSOR