From timothy.folks@edgescape.com Thu Nov 18 09:59:05 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.giganews.com.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!p01!lakeread07.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Timothy Folks Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0.211, Linux, and PTY's Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Lines: 8 User-Agent: KNode/0.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:14 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.11.129.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: lakeread07 1100664909 68.11.129.69 (Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:15:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:15:09 EST Organization: Cox Communications Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15229 To quote Emily Litella, "Nevermind." I dug around in the C-Kermit makefile a bit and found the -DHAVE_PTMX flag. It was set on the default linux target but not on the variant (Kerberos + PAM + Shadow + ZLIB + OpenSSL) that I was using. Tweaked that, and everything worked ok. Tim From VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG Thu Nov 18 09:59:12 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!aanews.merit.edu!elk.ncren.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.glorb.com!news3.optonline.net!news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for OS X? From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Reply-To: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Message-ID: <00A3B030.840B4D30@SendSpamHere.ORG> Organization: TMESIS Software Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:18:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.83.127.219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cv.net X-Trace: news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net 1100715535 67.83.127.219 (Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:18:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:18:55 EST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15230 I'm looking for an installation package (binaries) of Kermit for OS X? Does such a beast exist and, if so, where? -- http://www.ProvN.com for the *best* OpenVMS system security solutions that others only claim to be. -- Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.: The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM From dbsneddon@bigpond.com Thu Nov 18 09:59:15 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!not-for-mail From: dbsneddon@bigpond.com (David B Sneddon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS X? Date: 17 Nov 2004 21:18:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <00A3B030.840B4D30@SendSpamHere.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.169.227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1100755109 22419 127.0.0.1 (18 Nov 2004 05:18:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15231 VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A3B030.840B4D30@SendSpamHere.ORG>... > I'm looking for an installation package (binaries) of Kermit for OS X? > Does such a beast exist and, if so, where? > -- There is a binary at the Kermit site binaries page. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html Or you can build it from source. Dave. From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 15:46:22 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS X? Date: 19 Nov 2004 12:31:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1100896308.675706.39030@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <00A3B030.840B4D30@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A3B0C4.EE15A4A1@SendSpamHere.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1100896327 8761 127.0.0.1 (19 Nov 2004 20:32:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:32:07 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <00A3B0C4.EE15A4A1@SendSpamHere.ORG> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15232 VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > The cku211.macosx103-10.3 link? I tried that but OS X doesn't > know what to do with it. It is an executable binary. >From the Unix point of view, you would download it, change its name to kermit, put it in a directory in your path and use chmod to make it executable. I don't know what if anything more you would need to do to make the OS X GUI recognize it. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lieben_sie_brahms@yahoo.com Mon Nov 22 12:51:57 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!not-for-mail From: lieben_sie_brahms@yahoo.com (ckranich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pascal/Delphi Kermit Date: 22 Nov 2004 02:42:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.183.120.121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1101120154 19911 127.0.0.1 (22 Nov 2004 10:42:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15233 Hello all, I am looking for implementing the Kermit protocol into an application. (I am a one-man company and doing special contract software in the auto-id market) Currently, our customer uses a registered version of Kermit-95 but is not completely happy with it as it uses a flock of features he never will need and his point and click dudes have difficulties with the commandline interface.- So he is asking for something simple, included into some custom specific application. When searching the net I found the QKKermit 3.0 (Ported from CP/M); Finally I realized that this also can be found in the Culumbia University ftp site. QUESTION: What problems will arise if I implement an 'bread and butter' version in Pascal/Delphi and would like to include this into one of the following?: 1) a commercial closed source application 2) a GNU open source application The Kermit-95, C-Kermit are non opensource products of the Kermit project, which need licenses for non-personal use. What about QKermit and other pascal sources to be included into own libraries? Might a 'clean room approach' (based on the protocol description only) be an alternate way to avoid copyright conflicts? Is there any license model for the above situation(kermit implementation in commercial applications)? How did all the builders of communications packages handle this issue? Best Regards, ckranich From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Nov 22 12:57:47 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pascal/Delphi Kermit Date: 22 Nov 2004 17:52:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1101145969 17033 128.59.59.56 (22 Nov 2004 17:52:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Nov 2004 17:52:49 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15234 On 2004-11-22, ckranich wrote: > I am looking for implementing the Kermit protocol into an application. > (I am a one-man company and doing special contract software in the > auto-id market) > > Currently, our customer uses a registered version of Kermit-95 > but is not completely happy with it as it uses a flock of features > he never will need and his point and click dudes have difficulties > with the commandline interface.- So he is asking for something simple, > included into some custom specific application. > I'd suggest you take a look at this: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ek.html > When searching the net I found the QKKermit 3.0 (Ported from CP/M); > Finally I realized that this also can be found in the Culumbia > University ftp site. > This is ancient, nobody has even mentioned it in 16 years, and it definitely does not have any of the protocol improvements from all those years. > QUESTION: What problems will arise if I implement an 'bread and > butter' version in Pascal/Delphi and would like to include this into one > of the following?: > 1) a commercial closed source application > 2) a GNU open source application > > The Kermit-95, C-Kermit are non opensource products of the Kermit project, > which need licenses for non-personal use. What about QKermit and other > pascal sources to be included into own libraries? > Whatever their copyright says. > Might a 'clean room approach' (based on the protocol description only) be > an alternate way to avoid copyright conflicts? Is there any license model > for the above situation(kermit implementation in commercial applications)? > How did all the builders of communications packages handle this issue? > They use E-Kermit. - Frank From lieben_sie_brahms@yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 09:11:48 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!not-for-mail From: lieben_sie_brahms@yahoo.com (ckranich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pascal/Delphi Kermit Date: 22 Nov 2004 23:43:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.183.90.200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1101195802 5467 127.0.0.1 (23 Nov 2004 07:43:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15235 Hello Frank, Thank you for your fast response. OK, then I have two possibilities: (As E-Kermit is written in 'C' and I prefer oldfashioned Pascal...) 1) Use Kermit-95 (licensed to every customer) and using the Commandline /Script interface to remote control it from my application. As I understand this would be a 100% Kermit Project philosophy compliant way. 2) Embed part of the QKermit 3.1 Code into my application (according to the copyrights mentioned in that code). I am aware that this would be a 'dust of the past centuries' solution, but a wise man sometimes stated: "Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler!" - So I have to find out if this is _really_ simpler than variant #1. However even in this variant I would like to contribute something to the Kermit project (For example a one time fee somehow scaled to the very small business I am doing) Eventually feeding the Delphi ported code back to the project would be an option(so that other pascal addicts might find it when searching desperately after a pascal kermit; However I am aware that this code will probably not be maintained by anybody else than me and at best stay in the 'retrolook' museum corner...) Best Regards, Christian From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Nov 23 09:23:33 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pascal/Delphi Kermit Date: 23 Nov 2004 14:13:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1101219226 28498 128.59.59.56 (23 Nov 2004 14:13:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Nov 2004 14:13:46 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15236 On 2004-11-23, ckranich wrote: > OK, then I have two possibilities: > (As E-Kermit is written in 'C' and I prefer oldfashioned Pascal...) > I agree that C is a comedown from some of the better-designed languages of the past, but we're stuck with it. At least 90% of all applications are written in some form of C. > 1) Use Kermit-95 (licensed to every customer) and using the > Commandline /Script interface to remote control it from my > application. As I understand this would > be a 100% Kermit Project philosophy compliant way. > This is the easiest and most powerful solution because you get the most capabilities and the the most support, without having to write any code to duplicate what K95 already does. > 2) Embed part of the QKermit 3.1 Code into my application (according > to the copyrights mentioned in that code). I am aware that this would > be a 'dust of the past centuries' solution, but a wise man sometimes > stated: "Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler!" - So I have > to find out if this is _really_ simpler than variant #1. > As noted, QKermit has not been used by anybody, as far as I know, in well over a decade. That's because more modern versions simply work better. I doubt, for example, whether QKermit has any of the performance extensions (long packets, sliding windows), etc, in which case your product would be so unpleasant to use that nobody would like it. > However even > in this variant I would like to contribute something to the Kermit > project (For example a one time fee somehow scaled to the very small > business I am doing) Eventually feeding the Delphi ported code back to > the project would be an option(so that other pascal addicts might find > it when searching desperately after a pascal kermit; However I am > aware that this code will probably not be maintained by anybody else > than me and at best stay in the 'retrolook' museum corner...) > Actually if you look at our versions list, you'll see that Pascal was a very popular language for Kermit implementations in the 1980s, and then pretty much disappeared from the scene after that: Prefix, Operating Program Program Released Tape Machine System Language Version yy/mm/dd Contributor HP9 C HP-98xx UCSD p-Sys HP Pascal - 19840120 Rutgers U ND D ND-10/100/500 SintranIII ND-Pascal 3.1b 19850624 Norwegian I.T. UN D Sperry 1100 Exec NOSC Pascal 2.0 19841008 U of Maryland UCP C (various Pecan) UCSD p-Sys Pascal 1.1 19900805 R.T. Coslet APO C Apollo Aegis Pascal 2.9 19890507 Marconi Space UCP C Atari MEGA ST2 UCSD p-Sys Pascal 1.1 19900805 R.T. Coslet HCP D Honeywell DPS8 CP-6 Pascal - 19850404 Bucknell U HCP D Honeywell DPS90 CP-6 Pascal - 19850404 Bucknell U MTS D IBM 370 Series MTS Pascal 1.0 19840106 U of Michigan CS9 C IBM CS9000 CSOS Pascal - 19920910 U of Wisconsin PQK C ICL/Perq Perq OS Pascal 2.0 19841204 U of NSW UCM C PascalMicroengin UCSD p-Sys Pascal III.0 19841203 UCI-ICSD TI9 D TI 990 DX10 Pascal 1.0 19870710 Johnson Control H8 D Harris 800 VOS Pascal,Asm - 19850211 U Wisconsin TS2 B IBM 370 Series MVS/TSO Pascal/VS,.. 2.3 19871001 U of Bern,Switz - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 15:04:38 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie question for telnet sessions Date: 23 Nov 2004 09:22:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1101230534.894105.269980@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1101230540 12150 127.0.0.1 (23 Nov 2004 17:22:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:22:20 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15237 Nick Leachman wrote: > > The one item I can't find in the docs though is how to stop the whole > session window from closing after a telnet session is expired by a router > timeout. I would like the window to stay open with all of the received > output from the session still available for copy, etc. What you want is the command set exit on-disconnect off You can issue this command in your login script if you're using the dialer or in one of the k95site.ini or k95custom.ini files. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Nov 23 15:13:30 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie question for telnet sessions Date: 23 Nov 2004 20:13:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <1101230534.894105.269980@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1101240799 20178 128.59.59.56 (23 Nov 2004 20:13:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Nov 2004 20:13:19 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15238 On 2004-11-23, Mark Sapiro wrote: : : Nick Leachman wrote: :> The one item I can't find in the docs though is how to stop the whole :> session window from closing after a telnet session is expired by a router :> timeout. I would like the window to stay open with all of the received :> output from the session still available for copy, etc. : : What you want is the command : : set exit on-disconnect off : : You can issue this command in your login script if you're using the : dialer or in one of the k95site.ini or k95custom.ini files. : That's not exactly it. It prevents Kermit 95 from terminating, but not from returning to its command screen, which always happens automatically whenever a network connection closes (or a serial connection loses the Carrier signal and CARRIER-WATCH is not OFF). You can go back and visit a closed session in read-only mode with the VIEW command. In this mode, your status line says VIEW ONLY on the right, and any keystrokes that would send data to the host are ignored, but you can still scroll the session back, print the screen, copy with the mouse, or save the scrollback buffer to a file. Should you wish Kermit to remain in its terminal screen after a network connection is broken, automatically switching to VIEW mode, you could use a little script like this: set host somehost.com if fail stop 1 "Can't creat session" while true { connect if not open connection { view break } } The only problem with this is that you can't escape back during a session and give commands at the prompt. In case you need to do that too: set host somehost.com if fail stop 1 "Can't creat session" while true { connect if not open connection { view break } else { prompt } } The PROMPT command enters a kind of "subshell" (an inferior command level). To return to the script (i.e. to the CONNECT loop), you would type "end" instead of "connect". - Frank From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Tue Dec 7 14:07:22 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DIAL Failure: "OK" Date: 7 Dec 2004 06:25:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1102429542.133619.87860@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1102429546 30733 127.0.0.1 (7 Dec 2004 14:25:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:25:46 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15240 I think you have identified the problem twice. First your system works normally with one modem and fails with another. Another is a problem! Second you are not getting "OK" response some times. In the clip from your post shown below twice the response was not "ok". First the response was a blank (I assume) line. (to ATQ0H0) The second was a blank line followed by "ok". That is not "ok". Walter Wagner wrote: > Hello > ATQ0H0 > > ATQ0H0 > OK > Modem hangup OK > Initializing: 20:50:41... > Dialing: 20:50:42... > ATD56913 > > OK > DIAL Failure: 20:50:42: "OK" Regards...Dan. From carldeitrich5@comcast.net Thu Dec 9 13:12:20 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: carldeitrich5@comcast.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: network pc Date: 8 Dec 2004 08:50:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1102524621.694887.168090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.145.216.207 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1102524627 8201 127.0.0.1 (8 Dec 2004 16:50:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:50:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=146.145.216.207; posting-account=QRvAUAwAAAB7lREmMiOpvzSUYU7iBU7G Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15241 i am running windows xp professional with all the updates and service packs. i am using kermit 95 version 2.1.3. i am trying to "cd" or copy a file to another pc on the network. i have tried numerous variations on a them and nothing seems to work. i keep getting "(FAILED: No such file or directory)" or "?Write permission denied - "\\Enterprise\ClientServices\"" errors. the commands i have tried are; COPY TEST.KSC "\\\\Enterprise\\ClientServices\\" COPY TEST.KSC \\\\Enterprise\\ClientServices\\ COPY TEST.KSC "\\\\Enterprise/ClientServices" COPY TEST.KSC \\\\Enterprise/ClientServices any help would be appreciated, carl From jaltman@gmail.com Thu Dec 9 13:12:24 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: network pc Date: 8 Dec 2004 20:17:15 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1102565835.847481.218540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1102524621.694887.168090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.216.64.179 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1102565841 23054 127.0.0.1 (9 Dec 2004 04:17:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:17:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1102524621.694887.168090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.216.64.179; posting-account=LV7V_g0AAADBkNIzAvM0bQdo1kJ4AF4M Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15243 The correct format is: COPY TEST.KSC \\\\Enterprise\\ClientServices\\ the next question is: is "Enterprise" a valid server name and is "ClientServices" a valid share on that server? What does "NET VIEW ENTERPRISE" tell you from the CMD.EXE shell? From carldeitrich5@comcast.net Thu Dec 9 13:12:34 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: carldeitrich5@comcast.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: network pc Date: 9 Dec 2004 04:38:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1102595888.406631.51150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <1102524621.694887.168090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1102565835.847481.218540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.145.216.207 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1102595894 22209 127.0.0.1 (9 Dec 2004 12:38:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:38:14 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1102565835.847481.218540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=146.145.216.207; posting-account=QRvAUAwAAAB7lREmMiOpvzSUYU7iBU7G Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15242 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > The correct format is: > > COPY TEST.KSC \\\\Enterprise\\ClientServices\\ > > the next question is: > > is "Enterprise" a valid server name and is "ClientServices" a valid > share on that server? > What does "NET VIEW ENTERPRISE" tell you from the CMD.EXE shell? jeff this is the results of the net view enterprise command; Shared resources at ENTERPRISE Share name Type Used as Comment ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ARDocuments Disk ClientBills PDF Disk ClientServices Disk (UNC) HPLaserJ5SI Print HP LaserJet 5Si HR Disk NETLOGON Disk Logon server share Original Cds Disk SYSVOL Disk Logon server share The command completed successfully. thanks, carl From chicken_loop@yahoo.fr Fri Dec 10 11:50:36 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!proxad.net!infeed-1.proxad.net!news3-e.free.fr!not-for-mail From: Chicken Loop Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 2.1.3 not able to run as a schedule task... Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:53:32 +0100 Message-ID: Organization: Not Yet Defined MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.70.2067 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Nov 2004 20:54:22 MET NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.232.210.28 X-Trace: 1101758062 news3-e.free.fr 22437 82.232.210.28:1315 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15239 Hi, I try to launch a schedule kermit job with W2K internal task manager on a W2K server. when the owner of the schedule is logged in : no problem, but when he close his session K95 is not able to run as a schedule task : (it need a console) I try to launch it with -B, #96 options and both together, I try to run it in a cmd script using start, runas commands, the result is the same! please I need help! From nospam@lisse.NA Fri Dec 10 11:50:46 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS X? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:18:21 +0200 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <41B969DD.1040607@lisse.NA> References: <00A3B030.840B4D30@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A3B0C4.EE15A4A1@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1100896308.675706.39030@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net Z/h3xb0531/ZrW4ywrhbLAPaJQ2DzpKh+njGrS+CJf6AoLmHi5 X-Orig-Path: ac.lisse.NA!news User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <1100896308.675706.39030@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15245 Mark Sapiro wrote: > VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>The cku211.macosx103-10.3 link? I tried that but OS X doesn't >>know what to do with it. > > > It is an executable binary. > >>From the Unix point of view, you would download it, change its name to > kermit, put it in a directory in your path and use chmod to make it > executable. I don't know what if anything more you would need to do to > make the OS X GUI recognize it. If you have link from it to somewhere the GUI can see it it can be clicked on and will run through the Launcher. But I'd like to see a native Aqua-Kermit, like in the olden days :-)-O el From chef@via.at Fri Dec 10 11:55:07 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.utanet.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader01.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail From: "Walter Wagner" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1102429542.133619.87860@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: DIAL Failure: "OK" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:50:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Lines: 85 Message-ID: <41b97165$0$17046$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.120.137.129 X-Trace: 1102672229 newsreader01.highway.telekom.at 17046 80.120.137.129 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15244 Thanks for the Hint! This gave me motivation to do some further tests, and i found out that the problem was in my old initialization file which worked for Kermit 6 but not for Kermit 8. I used the output command to do modem initialization and to set the ISDN MSN numbers(for callback). The following "kermrcS4" init file worked well with kermit 6. (i used this command to start kermit: kermit -y kermrcS4) ... out AT&F\{13} input 1 OK out ATZ\{13} input 1 OK out AT&o0\{13} input 1 OK out AT&L1\{13} input 1 OK out AT&ZI0=29\{13} input 1 OK out AT&ZI1=29\{13} input 1 OK out AT&ZI2=29\{13} input 1 OK ... Now I use the "set modem command init-string" instead the "output" command and this works on Kermit 8. SET MODEM COMMAND INIT-STRING AT&FZ&o0&L1&ZI0=29&ZI1=29&ZI2=29&ZI3=29&ZI4=29&ZI6=29\13 Sure now the initialization is now done shortly before the dialout happens and erlier it was done when i started kermit, but this is OK so far. If there is better solution which can do the MSN settings... during kermit start, then i would prefer it! Otherwise i let it as it is now. In my opinion the problem is that the zyxel modem is somtimes not answering(or answering too slow) and then it happens that the OK from a previous command comes back while dialing. And the result is: > > ATD56913 > > > > OK > > DIAL Failure: 20:50:42: "OK" I tried also some other "input" commands, for example: input -1 OK\13\10 and the failure happend rarely but it was not completly solved! And maybe the reason why my USR Modem is working perfect(also with output commands), could be because it is an analog modem and there is no need to set so much MSN numbers. Thanks/Regards Walter schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1102429542.133619.87860@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > I think you have identified the problem twice. > First your system works normally with one modem and fails > with another. Another is a problem! > > Second you are not getting "OK" response some times. > In the clip from your post shown below twice the response was not "ok". > First the response was a blank (I assume) line. (to ATQ0H0) > The second was a blank line followed by "ok". That is not "ok". > > Walter Wagner wrote: > > Hello > > ATQ0H0 > > > > ATQ0H0 > > OK > > Modem hangup OK > > Initializing: 20:50:41... > > Dialing: 20:50:42... > > ATD56913 > > > > OK > > DIAL Failure: 20:50:42: "OK" > > Regards...Dan. > From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Dec 10 12:02:42 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS X? Date: 10 Dec 2004 16:54:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <00A3B030.840B4D30@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A3B0C4.EE15A4A1@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1100896308.675706.39030@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <41B969DD.1040607@lisse.NA> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1102697690 22410 128.59.59.56 (10 Dec 2004 16:54:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2004 16:54:50 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15246 On 2004-12-10, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: : Mark Sapiro wrote: :> VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: :> :>>The cku211.macosx103-10.3 link? I tried that but OS X doesn't :>>know what to do with it. :> :> It is an executable binary. :> :> From the Unix point of view, you would download it, change its name to :> kermit, put it in a directory in your path and use chmod to make it :> executable. I don't know what if anything more you would need to do to :> make the OS X GUI recognize it. : : If you have link from it to somewhere the GUI can see it it can be : clicked on and will run through the Launcher. : : But I'd like to see a native Aqua-Kermit, like in the olden days :-)-O : In the olden days, lots of people used to contribute Kermit programs from all over the world :-) That hasn't happened yet in this Millenium. For a trip down memory lane, look at the Kermit version list: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/aavsys.txt - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Dec 10 12:02:44 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DIAL Failure: "OK" Date: 10 Dec 2004 17:02:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <1102429542.133619.87860@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <41b97165$0$17046$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1102698152 22410 128.59.59.56 (10 Dec 2004 17:02:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2004 17:02:32 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15247 On 2004-12-10, Walter Wagner wrote: :... : In my opinion the problem is that the zyxel modem is somtimes not : answering(or answering too slow) and then it happens that the OK from a : previous command comes back while dialing. And the result is: :> > ATD56913 :> > :> > OK :> > DIAL Failure: 20:50:42: "OK" : The DIAL command takes common kinds of problems and modem misbehavior into account, so it tends to work better than simple OUTPUT/INPUT scripts, especially ones that don't check for failure and take corrective action. If you SET DIAL DISPLAY ON you can watch what happens when you give a DIAL command. If something goes wrong, it retries the operation and/or adapts automatically in various ways. : I tried also some other "input" commands, for example: input -1 OK\13\10 : and the failure happend rarely but it was not completly solved! : And maybe the reason why my USR Modem is working perfect(also with output : commands), could be because it is an analog modem and there is no need to : set so much MSN numbers. : INPUT has a timeout, and no matter what you value you give (except -1), it might not be long enough. If you make it too long, then it takes too long to detect an error. If you make it too short, it reports an error when it might have succeeded. In any given situation, use trial and error to arrive at the best value, and code your script to do what you would do if an error occurred, e.g. reissue the command and wait again (perhaps for a longer time) for the response. You can find a lot of examples in the script library: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html e.g. OUTPUT followed by a looping INPUT, in which actions are governed by the loop counter. - Frank From franclNOSPAM@mail.com Sun Dec 12 10:29:16 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news.glorb.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: Frenki Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Character set Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:28:23 +0100 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-839.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15248 Hi! I have a problem with character set in (trial) K95, connecting to VMS. In 7-bit NRC character set some ASCII characters are replaced by diacriticals in our language and I am not able to get them in the terminal emulator window. I have Win98SE with CP1250 and have tried with different settings for character-set, with different fonts, but I always get characters from ASCII character set, not the diacriticals. Thanks! From franclNOSPAM@mail.com Sun Dec 12 10:29:53 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: Frenki Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Character set Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:05:26 +0100 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <1102808706.608799.272710@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-768.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15249 On 11 Dec 2004 15:45:06 -0800, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: >Frenki wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I have a problem with character set in (trial) K95, connecting to >VMS. >> In 7-bit NRC character set some ASCII characters are replaced by >> diacriticals in our language and I am not able to get them in the >> terminal emulator window. >> I have Win98SE with CP1250 and have tried with different settings >> for character-set, with different fonts, but I always get characters >> from ASCII character set, not the diacriticals. > >Are you using k95 or k95g? in k95g, you can select the character set >from the toolbar, but my testing shows that if you make the selection >in the terminal window, it is not effective until you switch to the >command window and then back to the terminal window. > >In k95, you must use the > >set terminal character-set > >command. Also, you need to select the appropriate 7-bit character set >for your language. Go to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets.html >and pick the appropriate character set identified as 7 bits ISO 646 or >DEC NRC. Thanks, Mark! I am using K95g (GUI) and have already tried with different settings in the toolbar and with set terminal character-set. I have some experience with DOS Kermit, many years ago, where I used CP437 and everything worked fine. But I don't uderstand how can I change the appearance of the character on the screen. In the command window I can see all the correct glyphs for our characters and in the terminal window I am not able to get them. And in the fonts, I tried with, there are the specific glyphs. At http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets.html there are some 7-bit NRC character sets, but not the right one. And I don't know if it is a problem of the right character-set but of the correct font mapping. I have seen similar problems in some editors and in almoust all Windows terminal emulators except Reflection and Anzio. Thanks again! From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Dec 12 10:31:04 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Character set Date: 12 Dec 2004 15:30:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1102808706.608799.272710@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1102865457 8120 128.59.59.56 (12 Dec 2004 15:30:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 2004 15:30:57 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15250 On 2004-12-12, Frenki wrote: : On 11 Dec 2004 15:45:06 -0800, "Mark Sapiro" : wrote: : ... : I am using K95g (GUI) and have already tried with different settings : in the toolbar and with set terminal character-set. : I have some experience with DOS Kermit, many years ago, where I used : CP437 and everything worked fine. : But I don't uderstand how can I change the appearance of the character : on the screen. In the command window I can see all the correct glyphs : for our characters and in the terminal window I am not able to get : them. And in the fonts, I tried with, there are the specific glyphs. : : At http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets.html there are some : 7-bit NRC character sets, but not the right one. And I don't know : if it is a problem of the right character-set but of the correct font : mapping. I have seen similar problems in some editors and in almoust : all Windows terminal emulators except Reflection and Anzio. : What is character set you need to use? If you don't know its name, then tell us the language. - Frank From nospam@lisse.NA Tue Dec 14 09:47:55 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS X? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:31:29 +0200 Organization: Namibian Network Information Centre (cc) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <00A3B030.840B4D30@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A3B0C4.EE15A4A1@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1100896308.675706.39030@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <41B969DD.1040607@lisse.NA> Reply-To: nospam@lisse.na Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: individual.net DX+Cz/fFbzXngTgrY7NzHQdd/i+nh4NTIXB37s2o0zVC2Hw9Un X-Orig-Path: ac.lisse.NA!news User-Agent: KNode/0.8.1 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15251 Frank da Cruz wrote: > : But I'd like to see a native Aqua-Kermit, like in the olden days :-)-O > : > In the olden days, lots of people used to contribute Kermit programs from > all over the world :-) That hasn't happened yet in this Millenium. For a > trip down memory lane, look at the Kermit version list: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/aavsys.txt Oh, yes, I remember fondly the version for the LCIII I was given 10 years ago as a gift. But, the C version works on t the xterm :-)-O greetings, el -- For email replace nospam by the initials of my first and last name From nospam@lisse.NA Tue Dec 14 09:47:57 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS X? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:55:34 +0200 Organization: Namibian Network Information Centre (cc) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <00A3B030.840B4D30@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A3B0C4.EE15A4A1@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1100896308.675706.39030@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <41B969DD.1040607@lisse.NA> Reply-To: nospam@lisse.na Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: individual.net zbqHH3PqeTSYbz+RksPm2g2xqW2Gi6cb/ghBXSW9GKH8j5JI5n X-Orig-Path: ac.lisse.NA!news User-Agent: KNode/0.8.1 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15252 Frank da Cruz wrote: > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/aavsys.txt Ach, memory lane, I went through the list an come up with 50 computer types I have actually run kermit on over the 20 years I have been playing with it. Let me know if you want the list :-)-O el -- For email replace nospam by the initials of my first and last name From Mel.Kocher@computer.org Thu Dec 16 14:50:37 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.telcove.net!news.telcove.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:55:42 -0600 From: "Mel" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Long exit delay after file transfer to remote kermit Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:10:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.2.88.170 X-Trace: sv3-Cp2xP8oA/BjrVhU+aGVAGxi7voFpq7VQ1h/YCh2FTQRmEucs/tTmqMuNjw5s8/WzTAinqswgKT1rsLx!VQakpoEdtcxIuncwqwdrxYRn66SoGn65DJUbL9GH0LfygACyotXiRrWyBVaxAVA/rIgcxpfl X-Complaints-To: abuse@telcove.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@telcove.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15253 I have a MS-DOS machine running MS-Kermit in server mode connected via null-modem cable to a Win2000 machine running MS-Kermit in a DOS box. I can transfer files fine to the DOS machine. I invoke kermit with: kermit send small.txt file1.txt, bye, exit and both machines do the transfer and return to the DOS prompt in 2-3 seconds; but, when small.txt goes from a 30KB file to a 500KB file, the return to DOS prompt takes around 60 seconds. Anyone know why the increased delay and how to eliminate it? Thanks in advance, Mel. From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 14:50:40 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!prodigy.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Long exit delay after file transfer to remote kermit Date: 14 Dec 2004 20:46:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1103086002.362614.3770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1103086006 13498 127.0.0.1 (15 Dec 2004 04:46:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:46:46 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15254 Mel wrote: > I have a MS-DOS machine running MS-Kermit in server mode connected via > null-modem cable to a Win2000 machine running MS-Kermit in a DOS box. I can > transfer files fine to the DOS machine. I invoke kermit with: > > kermit send small.txt file1.txt, bye, exit > > and both machines do the transfer and return to the DOS prompt in 2-3 > seconds; but, when small.txt goes from a 30KB file to a 500KB file, the > return to DOS prompt takes around 60 seconds. > > Anyone know why the increased delay and how to eliminate it? I think the likely explanation is that you have a large number of sliding windows and a large packet size and the sender thinks it has sent all the packets and shows 100%, but the server hasn't received, stored and acked all the packets yet. This has to happen before the bye and exit will occur. Sixty seconds seems long, but if the MS-DOS machine is slow, it could take that long. If you notice that initially the transfer rate seems fast and then suddenly slows after all the windows are in use, that is another manifestation of this situation. If you reduce the max number of windows and the packet size, the transfer will probably take about the same total time, but it won't seem to be done before it actually is. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From franclNOSPAM@mail.com Fri Dec 17 14:26:29 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: Frenki Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Character set - dia.gif (0/1) - session.zip (0/1) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:00:53 +0100 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <4b2tr09j8vcv4adk01fpbm96gnoeb6n65h@4ax.com> <5k21s0h4obtslpmmljrvtc8rbddjfee6rl@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-251.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15255 On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:52:41 GMT, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >The log you sent shows no attempt to query the type of terminal. >If fact it shows no attempts by the host to configure the terminal >at all. Since all that is being sent is a stream of 7-bit code points >encoded using the character set you posted yesterday. Maybe in K95, but I am looking at the traffic on the telnet port with EtherSnoop http://www.arechisoft.com/ and the 7-bit codes are pure US ASCII codes http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ascii.html US ASCII - 5B ([) 91 133 5B LEFT SQUARE BRACKET Slovenian - 5B LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH CARON S< 133 91 5B [ and in the packet form the PC to VMS is 5B, VMS returns 5B to PC , VMS writes to file 5B ... and does not care about character-set, it is 7-bit code. On my keyboard is a key for for Slovene chracter LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH CARON in the same place as on your keyboard a LEFT SQUARE BRACKET. It is up to the terminal or emulator to convert it to the right code which is sent to the host. When VMS returns the same code to convert it to the right code in the PC character set (8A) - CP1250 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH CARON S< 212 138 8A and to map the code to the right glyph in the font to display it correctly. > >Unfortunately, this character set is not implemented in Kermit 95 >because it was not documented in any of the DEC VT terminal manuals. > Unfortunately I know this, because I evaluated abot 15 terminal emulators and only Reflection was working without problems. But when I sent a dia.gif to Rasmussen Software http://www.anzio.com/ , they fixed it in few hours. Unfortunately they don't have Linux version and unfortunately it looks like in C-kermit this is not implemented either. Thanks for your help, Franci Vogrin >I can add this character set to Kermit 95 but I can only make it >available according to the terms described on > > http://www.columbia.edu/~jaltman/ > >Jeffrey Altman From franclNOSPAM@mail.com Tue Dec 21 13:31:52 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.moat.net!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: Frenki Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Character set - dia.gif (0/1) - session.zip (0/1) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:51:34 +0100 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <4b2tr09j8vcv4adk01fpbm96gnoeb6n65h@4ax.com> <5k21s0h4obtslpmmljrvtc8rbddjfee6rl@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-636.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15257 On 17 Dec 2004 19:34:02 GMT, Frank da Cruz wrote: >On 2004-12-16, Frenki wrote: >:>Unfortunately, this character set is not implemented in Kermit 95 >:>because it was not documented in any of the DEC VT terminal manuals. >: >: Unfortunately I know this, because I evaluated abot 15 terminal >: emulators and only Reflection was working without problems. >: But when I sent a dia.gif to Rasmussen Software >: http://www.anzio.com/ , they fixed it in few hours. >: >: Unfortunately they don't have Linux version and unfortunately >: it looks like in C-kermit this is not implemented either. >: >I'll put this on my list, since it is indeed an ISO-registered >character set: "ISO 646, the Serbocroatian and Slovenian Latin Alphabet, >Registration Number 144, 1 November 1987", corresponding to Yugoslavian >Standard JUS I.B1.002. Nobody ever requested it before. Amusingly, I >know hundreds of experts who swear that nobody on earth has used an ISO >646 variant (other than ASCII) for the last 10-15 years. > >- Frank Maybe because there is no more Yugoslavia and all the new countries are small and unimportant ;-) We have no problems with a single platform, access to VMS works fine with 7-bit and to Linux with 8-bit. We develop applications on VMS for about 20 years and are not able to switch them to 8-bit. When we started with client-server on VMS we had same problems and now we convert those diacriticals on the fly on the server side before/after transfer to the Win thin client. But now we a have a mixed server case (VMS an Linux) with Linux and Windows clients and two totaly different worlds (Oracle and character cell applications). And our friends on the Linux side are not able to find a terminal emulator capable to work vith our VMS server. We tried Reflection for the Web, but it has the same problem with those diacriticals. A perfect solution would be to use the same emulator for connections from Linux client to VMS and Linux servers. And C-Kermit could be a solution. Thanks! From dkcombs@panix.com Sun Dec 26 13:30:36 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What about that gnu kermit, gkermit (circa 1999)? Usable? OK? Date: 25 Dec 2004 18:53:45 -0500 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1104018825 11647 166.84.1.1 (25 Dec 2004 23:53:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 23:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15258 Frank: I've just been downloading (via "pkg-get") some solaris packages (.pkg), one of which, on a whim, was gkermit. (1) Presumably, ckermit (sp?) is a lot better, bugs fixed, features, speed, etc. So, the question: what do you hear, via grapevine, etc, about gkermit? (seems to be circa 1999) (2) I believe that at least for the PC, you *charge* for kermit -- ie, is not entirely free. But for unix, ie ckermit, there's no charge. QUESTION: would you be happy for ckermit to be available (as a solaris "package") via blastwave? If you say "yes", then I'll suggest it, and ask "whoever" to get in touch with you. Thanks! David From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Dec 26 13:30:45 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What about that gnu kermit, gkermit (circa 1999)? Usable? OK? Date: 26 Dec 2004 18:30:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1104085833 15812 128.59.59.56 (26 Dec 2004 18:30:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Dec 2004 18:30:33 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15259 On 2004-12-25, David Combs wrote: : I've just been downloading (via "pkg-get") some solaris : packages (.pkg), one of which, on a whim, was gkermit. : : (1) Presumably, ckermit (sp?) is a lot better, bugs fixed, : features, speed, etc. : : So, the question: what do you hear, via grapevine, etc, : about gkermit? (seems to be circa 1999) : G-Kermit is perfectly usable, and it's fast. It is a single-purpose Kermit implementation. Its only purpose is to act as the far end of a file transfer. It does nothing else. No command or scripting language, no making connections, etc. As far as I know, it has no bugs. It was designed to last forever, there should be no need for updates. For details see the G-Kermit web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html : (2) I believe that at least for the PC, you *charge* : for kermit -- ie, is not entirely free. : That's correct, something has to pay the bills. : But for unix, ie ckermit, there's no charge. : For own use, no charge. For commercial redistribution or packaging with or as a commercial product, it must be licensed, as explained on the C-Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : QUESTION: would you be happy for ckermit to be : available (as a solaris "package") via blastwave? : I'm always glad to have people contribute C-Kermit install packages for different platforms. We have a number of them already available: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#packages : If you say "yes", then I'll suggest it, and ask : "whoever" to get in touch with you. : Thanks. Guidelines for construction of C-Kermit pacakges can be found here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckpackages.html - Frank From dkcombs@panix.com Tue Dec 28 11:50:54 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What about that gnu kermit, gkermit (circa 1999)? Usable? OK? Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1104195830 28975 166.84.1.1 (28 Dec 2004 01:03:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:03:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15260 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: ... >: available (as a solaris "package") via blastwave? >: >I'm always glad to have people contribute C-Kermit install packages for >different platforms. We have a number of them already available: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#packages > >: If you say "yes", then I'll suggest it, and ask >: "whoever" to get in touch with you. >: >Thanks. Guidelines for construction of C-Kermit pacakges can >be found here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckpackages.html > >- Frank Thanks -- I'll fwd your reply-post off to the blastwave people. David From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 30 10:11:51 2004 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using mouse with FreeBSD and mskermit console Date: 30 Dec 2004 15:11:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <1104296762.165227.304630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1104419499 18575 128.59.59.56 (30 Dec 2004 15:11:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Dec 2004 15:11:39 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15262 On 2004-12-29, someone92@hotmail.com wrote: : I have a FreeBSD 4.10 server with no keyboard and monitor that is : connected to an old pc serving as a console (using MSKERMIT). I would : like to had mouse support to my server but the console PC has only one : COM port and it's already used by MSKERMIT (I don't even know if : MSKERMIT can support a mouse, does it?). I was wondering, if I plug the : mouse on COM2 on the server, will it move the mouse on the console? : No. : or only on it's own TTYs (logically it should only work on it's own TTYs) If : it doesn't can I change my configuration to make it work on the MSKERMIT : console? any advises will be more than welcome. : MS-DOS Kermit emulates certain terminals, such as VT100. Those terminals do not have a mouse, nor do they provide any mechanism to communicate mouse movements to the host. The only exception is Tektronix 4010/4014, which allows the mouse to control the crosshairs cursor. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Mon Jan 10 13:19:21 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!spool-3.news.visi.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Message-ID: <41E197C0.5070609@nyc.rr.com> From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: C library interface to kermit??? References: <1105167541.044191.231680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <41dfa901@duster.adelaide.on.net> <1105262605.751697.135120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1105262605.751697.135120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:42:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.193.46.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1105303363 24.193.46.55 (Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:42:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:42:43 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15265 alt.os.linux:315986 comp.os.linux.misc:652798 milkyway wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > Thank you for the reply but I was wondering if Kermint had a C library > (something that I could use with the C programming language). > > Does such an animal exist? > > Kindest Regards, > Casey Yes, but it is not free. Columbia University licenses the Embedded Kermit source code for use in third party applications. For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ek.html Jeffrey Altman From UPDRMTTGHUCS@spammotel.com Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Franz Ferdinand Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: file size limit? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:26:09 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net rEeQHJv31gpZ7CNkDAGPhwaNOumZz7GLZDkalDjYKI5iOOvbDa User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.11.1de Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15266 Hidiho! I have compiled c-kermit 8.0.211 on a debian sarge to get ssl/tsl (I used the debian source not the official and the parameter "linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam"). Is there a 2 gig file size limit in the software? Because i can copy only files with size < 2 gb :( The file system on both (source and target) can handle such large files but kermit don't. Do I have to set some FLAG in the makefile or use a special version of gcc (my version is 3.3.4). Any hints for me? Thanks Franz From hansolo@sbox.tugraz Mon Jan 17 13:45:22 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Philipp Luttenberger Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file size limit? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:59:27 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <41E5DACD.3030904@nyc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net O0UVaEpiSwr68h4lhQfkIQ/Fg/1UywT8tjufb5xYDZgWm6EePx User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.11.1de Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15267 Am Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:17:42 GMT schrieb Jeffrey Altman: > Yes. There is a 2GB file limit because all of the functions in > C-Kermit use 32-bit signed integers. No one has taken the time > to fix this. > Are there any plans, to fix this? Nowadays 2GB file size aren't exotic anymore... Or do you know any other software which is able to handle sftp, logging to a file and everything started from a script? From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Jan 17 13:53:20 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file size limit? Date: 17 Jan 2005 18:52:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <41E5DACD.3030904@nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1105987968 4884 128.59.59.56 (17 Jan 2005 18:52:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2005 18:52:48 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15268 On 2005-01-13, Philipp Luttenberger wrote: : Am Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:17:42 GMT schrieb Jeffrey Altman: : :> Yes. There is a 2GB file limit because all of the functions in :> C-Kermit use 32-bit signed integers. No one has taken the time :> to fix this. : : Are there any plans, to fix this? Nowadays 2GB file size aren't exotic : anymore... : This has been on our list for a long time. It's not easy. It WOULD be easy if sizeof(long) simply became 8, and the APIs into the file system used long for the file length. But that is not the case, except perhaps on a couple platforms, such as Tru64 (maybe). No, it turns out that the industry has taken a different path: each OS maker has adopted a *different* API for "long" files. Therefore converting a portable program like Kermit (that can be built on hundreds of different OS's and versions) to support long files on many different platforms is going to be horrendous task. Why, you ask? http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckcplm.html#x3 Volunteers are always welcome. Back in the old days there used to be a lot of them. : Or do you know any other software which is able to handle sftp, : logging to a file and everything started from a script? : I suspect the path of least resistance is to add long file support to Kermit, but who has time? Certainly not me, at least not unless somebody funds the project. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Jan 20 14:10:59 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Log File Question Date: 20 Jan 2005 19:10:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <1106146440.308969.236470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1106248253 14367 128.59.59.56 (20 Jan 2005 19:10:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jan 2005 19:10:53 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15270 On 2005-01-19, Wes wrote: : We use kermit to move files from system to system on our WAN and have : been very pleased with it. : : When running our kermit scripts from K95 console, the log file is : appended normally. However when we run the same script from windows XP : scheduled task, the logs are not appended, but the script runs fine : otherwise. I discovered that the the log file names we were using : ("upload.log" and "ri_transfer.log") were the issue. When I changed : the log file names to "blah.log" they worked fine in both the scheduled : task and from the console. : Not in Kermit. The only issue might be whether the Windows permissions (and other accessibility criteria, such as owner) on upload.log are different from those on blah.log Could be that "Windows" cares more about this than "DOS" -- i.e. the Console environment might not have access the extra file info and so merrily allows appending even if the permissions forbid it. Just a guess. Anything can happen in Windows, and usually does. > Am I crazy? > I hope not! > I am running Kermit 95, version 2.1.3, on Windows XP Pro SP1. I'd say all's well that ends well. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Mon Jan 24 12:24:54 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Log File Question References: <1106146440.308969.236470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1106146440.308969.236470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:32:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.193.46.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1106353971 24.193.46.55 (Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:32:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:32:51 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15271 When running as a scheduled task K95 is running under the SYSTEM account. There should not be any restrictions on what file names can be used from the SYSTEM account. Using LOG DEBUG, CLOSE DEBUG around the script creation might produce some entries in the resulting debug.log file which could point in the reason for the denial. Jeffrey Altman Wes wrote: > We use kermit to move files from system to system on our WAN and have > been very pleased with it. > > When running our kermit scripts from K95 console, the log file is > appended normally. However when we run the same script from windows XP > scheduled task, the logs are not appended, but the script runs fine > otherwise. I discovered that the the log file names we were using > ("upload.log" and "ri_transfer.log") were the issue. When I changed > the log file names to "blah.log" they worked fine in both the scheduled > task and from the console. > > Are there any rules about how log files should be named? Am I crazy? > > I am running Kermit 95, version 2.1.3, on Windows XP Pro SP1. > Thanks. > Wes > -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From drwho8__NOTME__@att.net Mon Jan 24 12:25:00 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!cd246594!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What about that gnu kermit, gkermit (circa 1999)? Usable? OK? From: drwho8__NOTME__@att.net (The Eighth Doctor) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 83 Message-ID: <2PEId.15089$8u5.13322@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cba06d4576990395ef8726e258cf7e30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1106450750 cba06d4576990395ef8726e258cf7e30 (Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:25:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:25:50 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:25:50 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15272 In article , fdc@columbia.edu says... > >On 2004-12-25, David Combs wrote: >: I've just been downloading (via "pkg-get") some solaris >: packages (.pkg), one of which, on a whim, was gkermit. >: >: (1) Presumably, ckermit (sp?) is a lot better, bugs fixed, >: features, speed, etc. >: >: So, the question: what do you hear, via grapevine, etc, >: about gkermit? (seems to be circa 1999) >: >G-Kermit is perfectly usable, and it's fast. It is a single-purpose >Kermit implementation. Its only purpose is to act as the far end of >a file transfer. It does nothing else. No command or scripting >language, no making connections, etc. As far as I know, it has no >bugs. It was designed to last forever, there should be no need for >updates. For details see the G-Kermit web page: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html > >: (2) I believe that at least for the PC, you *charge* >: for kermit -- ie, is not entirely free. >: >That's correct, something has to pay the bills. > >: But for unix, ie ckermit, there's no charge. >: >For own use, no charge. For commercial redistribution or packaging >with or as a commercial product, it must be licensed, as explained on >the C-Kermit website: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html > >: QUESTION: would you be happy for ckermit to be >: available (as a solaris "package") via blastwave? >: >I'm always glad to have people contribute C-Kermit install packages for >different platforms. We have a number of them already available: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#packages > >: If you say "yes", then I'll suggest it, and ask >: "whoever" to get in touch with you. >: >Thanks. Guidelines for construction of C-Kermit pacakges can >be found here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckpackages.html > >- Frank Hello from the Eighth Doctor Yes, G-Kermit is indeed designed to last forever. However, for Slackware 10.0, it does not build correctly. I grabbed the compressed tar ball, and extracted it into a folder of the same name. Then ran make. According to this script file: Script started on Sat 22 Jan 2005 09:43:28 PM EST root@who3:/usr/src/gku100# make cc -DPOSIX -O -c gwart.c cc -o gwart gwart.o ./gwart gproto.w gproto.c 11 states, 20 actions cc -DPOSIX -O -c gproto.c cc -DPOSIX -O -c gkermit.c cc -DPOSIX -O -c gunixio.c cc -DPOSIX -O -c gcmdline.c cc -o gkermit gproto.o gkermit.o gunixio.o gcmdline.o gkermit.o(.text+0x59f): In function `sfile': : undefined reference to `errno' gkermit.o(.text+0x9c2): In function `seof': : undefined reference to `errno' gkermit.o(.text+0x17c5): In function `decode': : undefined reference to `errno' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [gkermit] Error 1 root@who3:/usr/src/gku100# exit Script done on Sat 22 Jan 2005 09:44:46 PM EST It threw up an error at that location. I think it was the same location that I found for 9.1. Why the more GCC advances, the more times older programs throw basically the same errors, I do not know. ---- Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot net From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Jan 24 12:34:26 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What about that gnu kermit, gkermit (circa 1999)? Usable? OK? Date: 24 Jan 2005 17:34:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <2PEId.15089$8u5.13322@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1106588058 28515 128.59.59.56 (24 Jan 2005 17:34:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 2005 17:34:18 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15273 On 2005-01-23, The Eighth Doctor wrote: Yes, : G-Kermit is indeed designed to last forever. However, for Slackware 10.0, it : does not build correctly. I grabbed the compressed tar ball, and extracted : it into a folder of the same name. Then ran make. According to this script : file: : ... : cc -o gkermit gproto.o gkermit.o gunixio.o gcmdline.o : gkermit.o(.text+0x59f): In function `sfile': : undefined reference to `errno' : ... : Script done on Sat 22 Jan 2005 09:44:46 PM EST : It threw up an error at that location. I think it was the same location that : I found for 9.1. Why the more GCC advances, the more times older programs : throw basically the same errors, I do not know. : In gkermit.h, remove the line: extern int errno; - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Jan 24 20:09:53 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What about that gnu kermit, gkermit (circa 1999)? Usable? OK? Date: 24 Jan 2005 17:57:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <2PEId.15089$8u5.13322@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1106589476 485 128.59.59.56 (24 Jan 2005 17:57:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 2005 17:57:56 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15274 On 2005-01-24, Frank da Cruz wrote: : On 2005-01-23, The Eighth Doctor wrote: Yes, :: G-Kermit is indeed designed to last forever. However, for Slackware 10.0, it :: does not build correctly. I grabbed the compressed tar ball, and extracted :: it into a folder of the same name. Then ran make. According to this script :: file: :: ... :: cc -o gkermit gproto.o gkermit.o gunixio.o gcmdline.o :: gkermit.o(.text+0x59f): In function `sfile': :: undefined reference to `errno' :: ... :: Script done on Sat 22 Jan 2005 09:44:46 PM EST : :: It threw up an error at that location. I think it was the same location that :: I found for 9.1. Why the more GCC advances, the more times older programs :: throw basically the same errors, I do not know. :: : In gkermit.h, remove the line: : : extern int errno; : Actually, you don't have to hack the source code, you can just build it with the ERRNO_H flag: make KFLAGS=-DERRNO_H posix - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Jan 24 20:12:57 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What about that gnu kermit, gkermit (circa 1999)? Usable? OK? Date: 25 Jan 2005 01:12:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <2PEId.15089$8u5.13322@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1106615570 25626 128.59.59.56 (25 Jan 2005 01:12:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 2005 01:12:50 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15276 On 2005-01-24, The Eighth Doctor wrote: : ... : Okay that seems to work ... using your suggestion on the : make file produced things this way: : : Script started on Mon 24 Jan 2005 02:50:56 PM EST : root@who3:/usr/src/gku100# make KFLAGS=-DERRNO_H posix : make "CC=cc" "CFLAGS=-DPOSIX -O -DERRNO_H" gkermit : make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/gku100' : cc -DPOSIX -O -DERRNO_H -c gkermit.c : cc -DPOSIX -O -DERRNO_H -c gunixio.c : cc -DPOSIX -O -DERRNO_H -c gcmdline.c : cc -o gkermit gproto.o gkermit.o gunixio.o gcmdline.o : make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gku100' : root@who3:/usr/src/gku100# exit : Script done on Mon 24 Jan 2005 02:51:43 PM EST : : Which tells me it worked. I suggest that the pages for gkermit should be : updated, : This information was added some time ago (so long ago I must have forgetten about it :-) http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html#buil The ERRNO_H is in the list of KFLAGS. - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 08:57:32 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Log File Question Date: 25 Jan 2005 14:49:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1106693376.622045.187900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1106146440.308969.236470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1106693380 21000 127.0.0.1 (25 Jan 2005 22:49:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:49:40 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1106146440.308969.236470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15277 Wes wrote: > > When running our kermit scripts from K95 console, the log file is > appended normally. However when we run the same script from windows XP > scheduled task, the logs are not appended, but the script runs fine > otherwise. I discovered that the the log file names we were using > ("upload.log" and "ri_transfer.log") were the issue. When I changed > the log file names to "blah.log" they worked fine in both the scheduled > task and from the console. > > Are there any rules about how log files should be named? Am I crazy? > > I am running Kermit 95, version 2.1.3, on Windows XP Pro SP1. The Windows system event viewer logs might give you some information. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Michael.Urzen@noaa.gov Fri Feb 4 09:14:45 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!not-for-mail From: Michael.Urzen@noaa.gov (Mike) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Read the buffer Date: 2 Feb 2005 11:25:11 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <43185dc2.0502021125.3fa86bf1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.153.129.189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1107372311 4876 127.0.0.1 (2 Feb 2005 19:25:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15279 Hi Everyone: I am dialing into a remote system using C-Kermit 8.0.211, logging in, and then issuing commands to receive data. This works well in interactive mode and I receive data back to my screen. I need to automate this process and capture the data to a file. Using a "kerbang" script, I issue the command to receive data but it does not appear on my screen. I searched the "debug.log" file, and found the data is going to a buffer. How do I retrieve data from the buffer and save it to a file? From jdanskinner@jdanskinner.com Fri Feb 4 09:15:51 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!hwmnpeer01.phx!hwmedia!hw-poster!fe06.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <43185dc2.0502021125.3fa86bf1@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Read the buffer Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1DfMd.24198$1h1.9394@fe06.lga> X-Trace: dkoicekneficefklbgneboifjegelgbblfobmadechdedjdeiahondopcjchoebkakfdiilehngidnofiljfiefceckokmgendipabeecgocfchipbmfgacdjkefnliebcfagklmibllijll NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:02:37 MST Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:00:25 -0600 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15278 There are many opportunities here but I'll assume you are issuing a unix like command which will give some kind of list you want to capture. The following should be the core after establishing connection: log session /* open session log to hold the data */ lineout ls /* send ls command to remote host */ input 0 a-string-you-will-never-receive /* you can create your own never comming string */*/ /* but trust me you need this */ log session close /* close the session log before it gets cluttered You should find the command ls echoed plus the output of ls in the file session.log in your working directory. Regards...Dan. "Mike" wrote in message news:43185dc2.0502021125.3fa86bf1@posting.google.com... > Hi Everyone: > > I am dialing into a remote system using C-Kermit 8.0.211, logging in, > and then issuing commands to receive data. > This works well in interactive mode and I receive data back to my > screen. > > I need to automate this process and capture the data to a file. > Using a "kerbang" script, I issue the command to receive data but it > does not appear on my screen. I searched the "debug.log" file, and > found the data is going to a buffer. > > How do I retrieve data from the buffer and save it to a file? From m.g.walker@NOmassey.SPac.AMnz Fri Feb 4 12:19:21 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Matthew Walker Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminating a telnet session Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:21:03 +1300 Organization: Ihug Limited Lines: 56 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-173-172-66.bliink.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1107487110 31614 203.173.172.66 (4 Feb 2005 03:18:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 03:18:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15280 Hi, I'm trying to nicely/cleanly terminate a telnet session, but I'm unsure how to do this with c-kermit 8.0.209. I'm polling a telnet server every five minutes, and have discovered that after a few hours the server doesn't take any more connections. I suspect that's because I was just closing each connection, rather than using the server's "logoff" command. I've added a logoff command to my script. My first problem is that even if I wait for the "Logging off." text from the server, kermit still closes the connection before the server closes its end. In an attempt to fix that problem, I added a "bye" command at the very end of the script. However, now the "bye" command fails (I assume) because the connection has closed by the time the "bye" is executed. Is there some way to ask kermit to wait until the connection is closed? Thanks for your thoughts, Matthew Script copied below: #!/usr/bin/kermit + set host 192.168.1.1 set input echo on input 10 Login: if failure exit 1 No login prompt output [username]\13 input 10 Password: if failure exit 1 No password prompt output [password]\13 input 10 --> if failure exit 1 No command line prompt output ip list interfaces\13 input 10 --> if failure exit 1 No command prompt after listing interfaces output user logout\13 input 10 Logging out. if failure exit 1 Failure to correctly close connection (didn't receive text) bye if failure exit 1 Failure to correctly close connection ('bye' errored) if success exit 0 Success From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Feb 4 12:37:00 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminating a telnet session Date: 4 Feb 2005 17:36:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1107538585 15616 128.59.59.56 (4 Feb 2005 17:36:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Feb 2005 17:36:25 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15281 On 2005-02-04, Matthew Walker wrote: : I'm trying to nicely/cleanly terminate a telnet session, but I'm unsure : how to do this with c-kermit 8.0.209. : : I'm polling a telnet server every five minutes, and have discovered : that after a few hours the server doesn't take any more connections. I : suspect that's because I was just closing each connection, rather than : using the server's "logoff" command. : Telnet are supposed automatically log out a session if it closed from the client end, and free up any resources, such as pseudoterminals. Often the reason for inability to create a new session is the ptys are all used up, which could be the fault of the Telnet server. If explicitly logging out on the server side fixes the problem, good. : I've added a logoff command to my script. My first problem is that : even if I wait for the "Logging off." text from the server, kermit : still closes the connection before the server closes its end. : Instead of waiting for text, you can wait for the connection to be closed. Example: lineout logoff # Send "logoff" for \%i 10 1 -1 { # Wait 10 sec for connection to close if not open connection break # This is the test xecho " \%i" # Still open - count down } echo if open connection { # If still open close it from client. echo Connection still not closed - closing it now. close connection } : In an attempt to fix that problem, I added a "bye" command at the very : end of the script. However, now the "bye" command fails (I assume) : because the connection has closed by the time the "bye" is executed. : No, it's because you don't have a Kermit server on the far end. BYE sends a particular kind of Kermit protocol packet. You probably should have a manual where you can look up the commands: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From mbadhri@gmail.com Sat Feb 5 14:23:51 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Badhri" Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.embedded,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive Subject: remote reliable data acquisition Date: 5 Feb 2005 09:05:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1107623118.284911.110040@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.118.24.135 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1107623123 735 127.0.0.1 (5 Feb 2005 17:05:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:05:23 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=128.118.24.135; posting-account=mxD1TA0AAAAlEklulvnV7iwDod7fDPNh Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.embedded:13114 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:116028 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15282 sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive:7095 Hi all!, I am working on a solution for wireless remote data acquisition The remote device runs embedded linux mounted on a Compact Flash and is connected to a set of peers by standard wireless ethernet transponder(802.11b,using adhoc mode).I need to stream the data on to a basestation,by multihop routing.(which could be another peer)Since the data is sensor information,I need to transfer this reliably too. 1. Do I need to build an database server(like SQL),build a database and stream data through a web server??Will this be a huge footprint??Can I stream data by using this??will this work in an adhoc scenario??Also I can use it to transfer data both ways right? 2.Does anyone have an idea of a modbus interface???I heard it is used for all handheld/embedded data acquisition. 3.If I dont use a database...How do you buffer data in the case of a network outage/limited connectivity....??? 4.Suppose I timestamp data and write it to a file and then ftp them,is there a better way to do this? The tools I can play with are Python,C or C++.. Thanks in advance! Badhri From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Feb 5 14:37:06 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.embedded,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive Subject: Re: remote reliable data acquisition Date: 5 Feb 2005 19:35:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <1107623118.284911.110040@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1107632139 19360 128.59.59.56 (5 Feb 2005 19:35:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 2005 19:35:39 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.embedded:13115 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:116029 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15283 sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive:7096 On 2005-02-05, Badhri wrote: : I am working on a solution for wireless remote data acquisition The : remote device runs embedded linux mounted on a Compact Flash and is : connected to a set of peers by standard wireless ethernet : transponder(802.11b,using adhoc mode).I need to stream the data on to a : basestation,by multihop routing.(which could be another peer)Since the : data is sensor information,I need to transfer this reliably too. : : 1. Do I need to build an database server(like SQL),build a database and : stream data through a web server??Will this be a huge footprint??Can I : stream data by using this??will this work in an adhoc scenario??Also I : can use it to transfer data both ways right? : : 2.Does anyone have an idea of a modbus interface???I heard it is used : for all handheld/embedded data acquisition. : : 3.If I dont use a database...How do you buffer data in the case of a : network outage/limited connectivity....??? : : 4.Suppose I timestamp data and write it to a file and then ftp them,is : there a better way to do this? : Since you posted this to the Kermit newsgroup, here's the Kermit perspective. Kermit (like FTP) is a file transfer protocol, so I'm not sure how that would fit in with your requirement for streaming. Still, you can't just stream data indefinitely, right? At some point you have to store it in a file, or something like a file. In that case, of course you can use Kermit or FTP, and this will have a much smaller footprint, and fewer points of failure than some combination of SQL databases, web servers, and so forth. To the extent that your application can be forced into the file model, either Kermit or FTP would be fine. Of course FTP comes with Linux, and in most cases so does Kermit; if not, it's readily available: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html This gives you a relatively off-the-shelf, simple solution. The advantage of Kermit over FTP is that it includes its own built-in scripting language for automation: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html Kermit itself is an FTP client too, and this implementation includes the same scripting language: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sun Feb 6 10:10:28 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Read the buffer Date: 4 Feb 2005 18:48:01 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1107571681.000414.277050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <43185dc2.0502021125.3fa86bf1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1107571685 2797 127.0.0.1 (5 Feb 2005 02:48:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:48:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15284 Mike wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I am dialing into a remote system using C-Kermit 8.0.211, logging in, > and then issuing commands to receive data. > This works well in interactive mode and I receive data back to my > screen. > > I need to automate this process and capture the data to a file. > Using a "kerbang" script, I issue the command to receive data but it > does not appear on my screen. I searched the "debug.log" file, and > found the data is going to a buffer. > > How do I retrieve data from the buffer and save it to a file? Go to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html There are examples of scripts that receive data line by line and write it to a file (eg the internet script pop3) and just log all received data (the logging scripts) and a screen-scraping script too. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From kat0305@gmail.com Sat Feb 12 14:53:25 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!mmcatv.co.jp!news.moat.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Kat" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit compile options Date: 10 Feb 2005 12:23:58 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1108067038.591217.234270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.141.31.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1108067043 22916 127.0.0.1 (10 Feb 2005 20:24:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:24:03 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=148.141.31.2; posting-account=v1Eyxg0AAADtuRrZec6JDNAhNgn4IHPJ Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15286 I am attempting to migrate kermit from one server to another. I wanted to compile the latest version, but I want to make sure I use the same compile options. Is there a way to list the way kermit was configured? Thanks, Katie From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sat Feb 12 14:53:28 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.giganews.com.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit compile options References: <1108067038.591217.234270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1108067038.591217.234270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:29:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.193.46.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1108067346 24.193.46.55 (Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:29:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:29:06 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15285 Kat wrote: > I am attempting to migrate kermit from one server to another. I wanted > to compile the latest version, but I want to make sure I use the same > compile options. Is there a way to list the way kermit was configured? > > Thanks, > Katie > SHOW FEATURES -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From niki.reid@acm.org Thu Feb 17 09:45:58 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Niki" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Communicating with legacy Kermit Date: 17 Feb 2005 04:51:06 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1108644666.679061.287940@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.32.3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1108644670 10449 127.0.0.1 (17 Feb 2005 12:51:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:51:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=194.32.3.2; posting-account=0JC2wQ0AAAB_Ww50dVuzMAYJJ5QSU49u Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15287 I am trying to build a patch that will allow our old handheld PCs (DEMOS 2.2, Kermit-80) to communicate with a PC and carry out data transfers. I am currently working with the 21-day demo (I can't pay for it until I know it will work!), and am getting nowhere fast. Can anyone help me? I need to figure out how to initiate the connection, so that the handheld can send data from the buffer (i.e. the handheld has to be in control). I've never used Kermit before, and am currently totally out of my depth. I don't even know if Kermit 95 will communicate with Kermit 80! Thanks for any help. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Feb 17 09:54:39 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating with legacy Kermit Date: 17 Feb 2005 14:54:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <1108644666.679061.287940@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1108652050 21514 128.59.59.56 (17 Feb 2005 14:54:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 2005 14:54:10 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15288 On 2005-02-17, Niki wrote: : I am trying to build a patch that will allow our old handheld PCs : (DEMOS 2.2, Kermit-80) to communicate with a PC and carry out data : transfers. : That's CP/M-80 2.2? You can find documentation for Kermit-80 on our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/ Some of the relevant files are: cpkerm.txt User manual (plain text) cpkerm.ps User manual (PostScript) cpkerm.bwr A series of "beware" (hints and tips) files. cpkerm.bw2 ... cpkerm.bw3 ... cpkerm.bw4 ... : I am currently working with the 21-day demo (I can't pay for it until I : know it will work!), and am getting nowhere fast. : : I need to figure out how to initiate the connection, so that the : handheld can send data from the buffer (i.e. the handheld has to be in : control). : : I've never used Kermit before, and am currently totally out of my : depth. I don't even know if Kermit 95 will communicate with Kermit 80! : It should. In Kermit 95, do this: cd set port com1 ; or whatever set speed 9600 ; or whatever else the handheld uses set flow none ; There's no flow control set carrier-watch off ; You'll probably need this cautious ; Use the most conservative file-transfer settings server Assuming you have your handheld connected to the PC with a null modem cable, now you should be able to tell Kermit-80 to SEND any file. If it's a binary file, first tell Kermit-80 to SET FILE-MODE BINARY. When you are finished, give Kermit-80 a BYE command. - Frank From dold@XReXXkermi.usenet.us.com Mon Feb 28 13:02:30 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!newsswing.news.prodigy.com.MISMATCH!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!news.mainstreet.net!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!not-for-mail From: dold@XReXXkermi.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and (really) large files? Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Sender: Clarence Dold Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: green.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1109523191 455 192.160.13.49 (27 Feb 2005 16:53:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:53:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject User-Agent: tin/1.4.6-20020816 ("Aerials") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.20-30.7.legacysmp (i686)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15289 Thomas A. Horsley wrote: > It doesn't seem to think that my 3gig dvd ISO image even exists :-). Kermit has a 2GB file limit. > This is the kermit that is licensed by redhat and comes with fedora. > Could I rebuild from source and turn on some large file support option? No. > (I didn't find anything about large files in the FAQ on the web, but > maybe I wasn't looking in the right place). A Google of this group exposes a previous thread. http://makeashorterlink.com/?D2861519A -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Feb 28 13:06:45 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial problem I've not seen before Date: 28 Feb 2005 18:06:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <42230da7.12754750@giganews.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1109613998 14701 128.59.59.56 (28 Feb 2005 18:06:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2005 18:06:38 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15291 On 2005-02-28, Rob S wrote: : Has anyone seen a "Dial Status 31" DIALLING DELAYED error message before? : : I've been dealing with kermit and modem dialling for years, and not come : across this one. In a nutshell, kermit A has been dialling kermit B OK for : ages. Now kermit A gives this message and won't dial. However kermit A will : dial anything else, and kermit C will dial modem B fine. So I suspect a : problem with phone line A or modem A. A phone on phone line A will dial : modem B without a problem too. Curious.....! : In case it's not obvious, it's a result from the modem. You can see this by using SET DIAL DISPLAY ON. The modem does not report CONNECT, as it must for the call to succeed, but rather DIALING DELAYED, which could be a real condition, or a misinterpretation of the the buzzes and beeps on the phone line by the modem. In one case it's something with the phone service, in which case you'll need to contact your phone company; in the other it's something with the modem, in which case maybe the modem can be reconfigured to ignore whatever spurious signal is causing it to cancel the call, or else you can try another modem. - Frank From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com.INVALID Tue Mar 1 15:20:35 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:06:38 -0600 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial problem I've not seen before Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:11:57 +0000 Message-ID: <42243119.362812@giganews.nildram.co.uk> References: <42230da7.12754750@giganews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-YD7pSixy+eMKu9dgxuc54JNhtE6SahW8bfOvHdh9GMh7JvcLtl4ZH87+WzkIlhwPonulmh1pQHKNOdo!+uYQvOwpamnkXcltA+uakroduFSmHIPQ39E9v2yiaLeTA50jHyw2o1Ud9TKdLEh+WWNtFymKJ0ux!sz+aiNVdTs4o8w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15292 On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:51:34 GMT, Jeffrey Altman wrote: -The -difference between "DELAYED" and "BLACKLISTED" is that "DELAYED" appears -to indicate a temporary or transient error condition whereas -"BLACKLISTED" is permanent. Cheers Jeffrey - I've come across BLACKLISTED many times, and conversely to what you (logically) say, turning the modem off and leaving for a few minutes seems to clear them in general . The DELAYED message has been permanent - at least since 25th Feb anyway. They are talking to BT anyway, which is slightly more fun than hitting yourself with a hammer, but a bit less effective. Next step.....new modem I think..... regards -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From jean.pierre.frencia@wanadoo.fr Sat Mar 5 09:51:19 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!freenix!news.wanadoo.fr!news.wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Message-ID: <42299de8$0$11716$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> From: Frencia Subject: DOS to Linux file transfer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Reply-To: jean.pierre.frencia@wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:54:18 +0100 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Lines: 24 Organization: les newsgroups par Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 05 Mar 2005 12:54:16 CET NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.251.31.119 X-Trace: 1110023656 news.wanadoo.fr 11716 81.251.31.119:1255 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15293 Hi I'm trying to connect an old i486 DOS (kermit 3.15) to a linux box (kermit 8.0.209) with a null-modem cable to exchange files (DOS is the server). This works perfectly when I get files from DOS to linux but it fails after lot of retries and errors when I send files from linux to DOS with the following error Receiver's message: "No response from the host" Here is the DOS parameters: set modem type none set line COM1 set speed 115200 set flow rts/cts server Linux parameters are the same except it's the client. I have tried different speed and flow parameters without success. Anybody has an idea ? Thank you JPF From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Mar 5 09:52:10 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS to Linux file transfer Date: 5 Mar 2005 14:52:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <42299de8$0$11716$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1110034322 8416 128.59.59.56 (5 Mar 2005 14:52:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Mar 2005 14:52:02 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15294 On 2005-03-05, Frencia wrote: : I'm trying to connect an old i486 DOS (kermit 3.15) to a linux box (kermit : 8.0.209) with a null-modem cable to exchange files (DOS is the server). : : This works perfectly when I get files from DOS to linux but it fails after : lot of retries and errors when I send files from linux to DOS with the : following error Receiver's message: "No response from the host" : : Here is the DOS parameters: : set modem type none : set line COM1 : set speed 115200 : set flow rts/cts : server : : Linux parameters are the same except it's the client. I have tried different : speed and flow parameters without success. : RTS/CTS flow control should do the trick if (a) you have it set on both ends, and (b) the cable actually crosses over RTS and CTS end to end. You can put the MS-DOS Kermit server into debug mode with "set debug on" or something like that, I don't have a copy handy at the moment. - Frank From kth@srv.net Wed Mar 9 15:16:31 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.onewest.net!news.onewest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:08:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:34:22 -0700 From: Kevin Handy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and printer port problem. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.60.98.1 X-Trace: sv3-jIFpIORiCkcZSxfcCQmqGhnqGySHXvIbdfo9mtNRtgRy8btDzeXQCvyV/jwutAQLnjqBsMQZrKV+J8x!gt8DnZhCsrIlv8I24ciDySRGawOecdrnBCOMiWnQu1XxETXJycm2cWJdTn890iDfmV0St9tN X-Complaints-To: abuse@onewest.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@onewest.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15295 I have a customer who is using Kermit-95 to access a Alpha/VMS. This is on a Windows-XP system, with a fairly current K95. The VMS programs use the printer port to output reports. Configuring Kermit-95 to send to a dot matrix printer attached to the computer works correctly. (Windows print que) However, trying to use a HP deskjet 3845 (Windows print que) causes that print que to hang, with nothing ever printed. Exiting kermit doesn't clear it. You can't delete the jobs. You can add more jobs to the que, anthough they never print because they are blocked by the kermit print. It lists on the que as "printing". The only way we have found to clear this, is to reboot the XP machine. Is there any way to make this printer work correctly with kermit-95? Hopefully there is a simple solution to this problem. From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Mar 9 15:22:29 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and printer port problem. Date: 9 Mar 2005 20:22:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1110399742 15683 128.59.59.56 (9 Mar 2005 20:22:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Mar 2005 20:22:22 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15296 On 2005-03-09, Kevin Handy wrote: : I have a customer who is using Kermit-95 to access a Alpha/VMS. : This is on a Windows-XP system, with a fairly current K95. : : The VMS programs use the printer port to output reports. : : Configuring Kermit-95 to send to a dot matrix printer attached : to the computer works correctly. (Windows print que) : : However, trying to use a HP deskjet 3845 (Windows print que) : causes that print que to hang, with nothing ever printed. : Exiting kermit doesn't clear it. You can't delete the jobs. : You can add more jobs to the que, anthough they never print : because they are blocked by the kermit print. It lists on : the que as "printing". : There are several possibilities: 1. Kermit 95, as a VT terminal emulator, does what a VT terminal does; when commanded by the host to enter transparent print mode, it redirects the input stream to the printer, including escape sequences. Since the HP printer does not understand VT terminal escape sequences and since PCL commands bear a certain resemblence to VT escape sequences, it is possible that the printer is hanging because a particular VT escape sequence corresponds with a PCL escape sequence that does (or does not) do something entirely different. 2. The HP printer is a "WinPrinter". These are not supported by Kermit 95. : The only way we have found to clear this, is to reboot the : XP machine. : : Is there any way to make this printer work correctly with : kermit-95? Hopefully there is a simple solution to this problem. : That's rarely the case in Windows. Start here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#printing Follow the leads at the top of this section into the Kermit 95 manual. - Frank From rshlain@gmail.com Thu Mar 10 12:38:22 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!130.191.3.6.MISMATCH!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: rshlain@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit - cant hand shake Date: 10 Mar 2005 08:16:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1110471378.757864.65890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.76.214.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110471385 9081 127.0.0.1 (10 Mar 2005 16:16:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:16:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=63.76.214.3; posting-account=UArb2QwAAAAlMpc2kxcTzkI3qlan_Obt Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15297 Hi everyone, I am very new to this group and dealing with Kermit as well. The problem that i have is that when i dial in to UNIX box with Kermi95 GUI i can not get my machine and Unix box to shake hands. They try to communicate but it does not go further then that. I was told to try out ProComm, but the same thing happens on ProComm. However, if i type in command at+ms=v22b ProComm connects and i can do all the things I need. I tried to see where i can enter the same command in Kermit but can not find such place. Any help is very much appreciated. Thank you. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Mar 10 12:47:36 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - cant hand shake Date: 10 Mar 2005 17:47:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <1110471378.757864.65890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1110476845 20916 128.59.59.56 (10 Mar 2005 17:47:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2005 17:47:25 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15298 On 2005-03-10, rshlain@gmail.com wrote: : The problem that i have is that when i dial in to UNIX box with Kermi95 : GUI i can not get my machine and Unix box to shake hands. They try to : communicate but it does not go further then that. : : I was told to try out ProComm, but the same thing happens on ProComm. : However, if i type in command at+ms=v22b ProComm connects and i can do : all the things I need. : In other words, you are entering a magic configuration into the modem that makes the connection work. : I tried to see where i can enter the same command in Kermit but can not : find such place. : Suggest you glance at the K95 tutorial: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95tutor.html At the prompt, or in a command or script or customization file: set modem command predial AT+MS22b\13 or: set modem dial-command AT+MS22b%s\13 In the Dialer, click Modems in the main menu, then Change, then Modify Commands, and enter: AT+MS22b%s\13 into the Dial: text box. - Frank From kth@srv.net Fri Mar 11 18:26:03 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.onewest.net!news.onewest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:06:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:32:48 -0700 From: Kevin Handy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and printer port problem. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.60.98.1 X-Trace: sv3-kVFFLKqpleFsg8cWhwE4DX0GWAUhrOHlj5g8HlSa/Hnlz4WAPqiW8+tUCSyZfbIzYtfExWGMnVURm2E!covHo0BT8zwQa+URYPzjXktG6hAVZDQnPwtemFPV0tbZLaeEYGcwyoSVAWGvjY6TNH5zFBUL X-Complaints-To: abuse@onewest.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@onewest.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15299 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2005-03-09, Kevin Handy wrote: > : I have a customer who is using Kermit-95 to access a Alpha/VMS. > : This is on a Windows-XP system, with a fairly current K95. > : > : The VMS programs use the printer port to output reports. > : > : Configuring Kermit-95 to send to a dot matrix printer attached > : to the computer works correctly. (Windows print que) > : > : However, trying to use a HP deskjet 3845 (Windows print que) > : causes that print que to hang, with nothing ever printed. > : Exiting kermit doesn't clear it. You can't delete the jobs. > : You can add more jobs to the que, anthough they never print > : because they are blocked by the kermit print. It lists on > : the que as "printing". > : > There are several possibilities: > > 1. Kermit 95, as a VT terminal emulator, does what a VT terminal > does; when commanded by the host to enter transparent print > mode, it redirects the input stream to the printer, including > escape sequences. Since the HP printer does not understand > VT terminal escape sequences and since PCL commands bear a > certain resemblence to VT escape sequences, it is possible > that the printer is hanging because a particular VT escape > sequence corresponds with a PCL escape sequence that does > (or does not) do something entirely different. It doesn't handle simple text either (i.e. no escape sequences). > > 2. The HP printer is a "WinPrinter". These are not supported by > Kermit 95. My main suspect. Wasn't sure if they were supported or not. I'd think it should just reject the file, instead of locking up the print que. Stupid windows. > > : The only way we have found to clear this, is to reboot the > : XP machine. > : > : Is there any way to make this printer work correctly with > : kermit-95? Hopefully there is a simple solution to this problem. > : > That's rarely the case in Windows. Start here: That's why I *hoped*, but expected the worst. Windows never seems to like me. opaque software. > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#printing > > Follow the leads at the top of this section into the Kermit 95 manual. > > - Frank From vikrant.shahir@gmail.com Sat Mar 12 09:00:19 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!nntp.gol.com!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!not-for-mail From: vikrant.shahir@gmail.com (vicks) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for GSM modem Date: 12 Mar 2005 03:47:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 31 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.63.168.35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110628061 11253 127.0.0.1 (12 Mar 2005 11:47:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15300 GSM modem will used for RPMS(Remote Patient Monitoring System)project IITb, for data transfer between two computers. Currently i am doing well with basics of GSM modem attached to Linux machine and able to issue following commands through KERMIT: 1]Diagnostic commands (viz. AT+CGMI ...etc.) 2]simply dialing out a number.(ATD; --voice) 3]sending SMS and receiving SMS (not thro' KERMIT but GSMLIB). QUESTIONs: Now, I want to step ahead and connect two computers. To achieve this, one computer should sit in "wait for call mode". And other computer should "dial to " the waiting computer. I tried this but was not able to do. so i would like to know 1]The DIALING computer should issue a voice/data call to WAITING computer ? 2]If data call then, both the computers need to be set to work in data mode thro' FCLASS ..etc ? and for BACKGROUND knowledge, would like to know 3]Normally how this gsm modem is used ..in windows..or any OS, i mean is any software available to attain its functionality ? or is it similar to our Dlink modem where we dial out ISP no. and connect to net ? Thanks for your time regards Vikrant From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Mar 12 09:17:29 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for GSM modem Date: 12 Mar 2005 14:17:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1110637038 20892 128.59.59.56 (12 Mar 2005 14:17:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2005 14:17:18 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15301 On 2005-03-12, vicks wrote: : GSM modem will used for : RPMS(Remote Patient Monitoring System)project IITb, : for data transfer between two computers. : : Currently i am doing well with basics of : GSM modem attached to Linux machine and able : to issue following commands through KERMIT: : 1]Diagnostic commands (viz. AT+CGMI ...etc.) : 2]simply dialing out a number.(ATD; --voice) : 3]sending SMS and receiving SMS (not thro' KERMIT but GSMLIB). : : QUESTIONs: : Now, I want to step ahead and connect two computers. : To achieve this, one computer should sit in "wait for call mode". : And other computer should "dial to " the waiting computer. : I tried this but was not able to do. : so i would like to know : 1]The DIALING computer should issue a voice/data call to WAITING computer ? : Yes. : 2]If data call then, both the computers need to be set to work in : data mode thro' FCLASS ..etc ? : The details depend on the make and model of the modem, the operating system of the dialed computer, and which Kermit program is doing the dialing. C-Kermit and Kermit 95 know about many kinds of modems and are preconfigured to issue the appropriate commands for making data calls, if you correctly identify the modem type to Kermit (using its SET MODEM TYPE command). In Windows, you can also use the TAPI modem database. In other cases, you can consult your modem manual to find the relevant commands and build up a user-defined modem type, as documented in "Using C-Kermit". The called computer is one of two kinds: . A timesharing system or BBS that knows how to handle incoming calls; it gives a login dialog and, upon successful login, sends the caller to a shell or menu. If the called computer is Unix based (e.g. Linux) then of course you have to configure it for incoming calls; see (for example) the Linux Serial-HOWTO and Modem-HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO.html http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO.html . A desktop computer that has no facility for receiving incoming calls or handling remote sessions that come in by modem, e.g. Windows or DOS. In this case you can use Kermit on that computer to receive the incoming call. There are many ways to do this, depending on what you want to do with the session: Kermit server, host mode, etc. If you give more specific information, we can give you better guidance. : and for BACKGROUND knowledge, would like to know : 3]Normally how this gsm modem is used ..in windows..or any OS, : i mean is any software available to attain its functionality ? : or is it similar to our Dlink modem where we dial out ISP no. and : connect to net ? : You have to read your modem's documentation to find out what it is capable of. Different models have different features and functions. Also, search in Google for such topics as how to make data connections with GSM modems, how to make Internet connections, etc, to find pages such as this: http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/daved/linux/gsm-modem.html - Frank From junkmail@eracc.com Sun Mar 13 10:43:10 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.com!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bignumber.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!bignews5.bellsouth.net.POSTED!a7191049!not-for-mail From: ERACC Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: Re: Telnet question User-Agent: M$ O and OE SUCK! Ok, anything from M$ sucks. Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <0ntYd.33669$fW4.949737@news20.bellglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9gKYd.25533$Q83.9885@bignews5.bellsouth.net> X-Complaints-To: abuse@bellsouth.net X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: ldjgbllpbapjglppdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcboefdabjdmhhkmbonlabdjakefanobecdhklinfcngfbjcemelncnohkaabhndkoefaaijeefbmmnmcbldgcibdpilnhdilgbjfnahoocbklhdppid NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:43:17 EST Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:48:19 -0600 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu alt.os.linux.mandrake:529926 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15302 On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:52:49 -0500, Yannick Turgeon wrote: > Vincent Panel wrote: > >> Maybe try nc instead (formerly netcat) : urpmi nc . I think nc is more >> designed to do "telnet-like" things. > > Not really a possible solution because I'm programming using Ruby and I > use the Telnet module and I want it to be portable as much as possible. > > In despair, I'll take a look. For a scriptable telnet that can be called from and pass data to other programs look at c-kermit. I have used it successfully by calling c-kermit from a perl program to talk to a pager terminal and passing data back to the perl program via c-kermit. comp.protocols.kermit.misc added as an x-post group. Please followup there for discussion of c-kermit. Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com) -- Linux era4.eracc.UUCP 2.6.8.1-12mdk i686 16:43:59 up 58 days, 23:51, 8 users, load average: 0.12, 0.24, 0.25 ERA Computer Consulting - http://www.eracc.com/ eCS, OS/2, Mandrake GNU/Linux, OpenServer & UnixWare resellers From vsyskine@bestg.com Tue Mar 15 08:07:27 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!bcc13b1d!not-for-mail From: Vassili Syskine Reply-To: vsyskine@bestg.com Organization: BES Technology Group User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: using G-Kermit as an external protocol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.201.229.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1110837349 ST000 63.201.229.228 (Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:55:49 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:55:49 EST X-UserInfo1: Q[R_PJONFRTMAW\Y]BNJOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\BQUBLNTC@AWZWDXZXQ[K\FFSKCVM@F_N_DOBWVWG__LG@VVOIPLIGX\\BU_B@\P\PFX\B[APHTWAHDCKJF^NHD[YJAZMCY_CWG[SX\Y]^KC\HSZRWSWKGAY_PC[BQ[BXAS\F\\@DMTLFZFUE@\VL Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:55:49 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15303 Hi Everyone, I need to use G-Kermit as an external protocol. Do I understand correctly that, while transferring file, I pass each byte received via pipe to the G-Kermit process and send back whatever G-Kermit process writes back? Sincerely yours, Vassili Syskine From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Mar 15 09:12:19 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using G-Kermit as an external protocol Date: 15 Mar 2005 13:16:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1110892591 6137 128.59.59.56 (15 Mar 2005 13:16:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2005 13:16:31 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15304 On 2005-03-14, Vassili Syskine wrote: : I need to use G-Kermit as an external protocol. : : Do I understand correctly that, while transferring : file, I pass each byte received via pipe to the : G-Kermit process and send back whatever G-Kermit : process writes back? : No, G-Kermit does not have the ability to send files from or to a pipe or stdin/out. When using G-Kermit as an external protocol (by including the -X command-line option), files are referenced in the normal way in the file system. The only difference is that in this case G-Kermit does not attempt to alter the terminal modes. If you need to pipe stdin or stdout through the Kermit protocol, you can use C-Kermit for that: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html - Frank From bmaynard@voodoox.net Mon Mar 21 17:23:53 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.tdcnorge.no!uninett.no!uio.no!news.glorb.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trnddc06.POSTED!ca23c9ab!not-for-mail From: Ben Maynard User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit API Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:02:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.116.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trnddc06 1110924168 162.84.116.89 (Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:02:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:02:48 EST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15305 Hi I need to use kermit to send pager messages, from a C++ application, I have read at various locations on the web that there is no library to do this, but that I should use the kermit API. My question is can anyone point me to a good resource that has information on how to use the API and if possible more specifically how to use it in relation to C or C++? Thanks for any help anyone can offer. Ben From vikrant.shahir@gmail.com Mon Mar 21 17:23:56 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "vikrant.shahir@gmail.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit API Date: 16 Mar 2005 04:11:30 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1110975090.114604.51310@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.63.168.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110975093 22033 127.0.0.1 (16 Mar 2005 12:11:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:11:33 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=202.63.168.35; posting-account=IvJR2A0AAAA49r1jRi6JyM_8WEHa4lpw Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15306 ..not sure but ...try with gsmlib ...gsmlib-1.10-2.9.i386.rpm..or something like that From not-a-real-address@usa.net Mon Mar 21 17:23:58 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: those who know me have no need of my name Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit API Date: 18 Mar 2005 19:20:23 GMT Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Jumbo Shrimp, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15307 in comp.protocols.kermit.misc i read: >I need to use kermit to send pager messages, from a C++ application, I >have read at various locations on the web that there is no library to >do this, but that I should use the kermit API. perhaps e-kermit -- see . -- a signature From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 17:24:01 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!chiapp19.algx.com!allegiance!nntp.abs.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit API Date: 18 Mar 2005 18:27:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1111199245.420766.246230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1111199249 16038 127.0.0.1 (19 Mar 2005 02:27:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:27:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15308 Ben Maynard wrote: > Hi > > I need to use kermit to send pager messages, from a C++ application, I > have read at various locations on the web that there is no library to do > this, but that I should use the kermit API. > > My question is can anyone point me to a good resource that has > information on how to use the API and if possible more specifically how > to use it in relation to C or C++? Another post in this thread has already suggested E-Kermit. Another approach is to invoke C-Kermit from your application to execute a script to send the page. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html for links to the C-Kermit documentation and existing pager scripts. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From sergei.sharonov@halliburton.com Sun Mar 27 10:05:35 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Sergei" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: atomic append Date: 22 Mar 2005 11:21:17 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1111519276.981430.24800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.154.26.251 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1111519281 24296 127.0.0.1 (22 Mar 2005 19:21:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:21:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.154.26.251; posting-account=EqRP3w0AAABmJy5Qo5a748xf7XWhMfaX Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15309 Hello, I need to be able to append incomming files in atomic manner, e.g. I will have a (large) log file and will need to append a 1 kB chunks at a time. Chunks cannot be missed or duplicated. Chunks cannot be left in partially written state. Can kermit handle that? What version do I need? The host is linux system. Thanks, Sergei From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 10:05:52 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!mpls-transit-01.news.qwest.net!feed.news.qwest.net!bcandid.telisphere.com!not-for-mail Sender: Mark Sapiro From: slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Subject: Re: atomic append Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1111519276.981430.24800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Organization: Not Very Much User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990927 ("Nine While Nine") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.2-RELEASE (i386)) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <_h40e.4$We3.94@bcandid.telisphere.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:14:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.254.32.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@amerion.net X-Trace: bcandid.telisphere.com 1111544058 207.254.32.27 (Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:14:18 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:14:18 PST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15310 Sergei wrote: : I need to be able to append incomming files in atomic manner, e.g. I : will have a (large) log file and will need to append a 1 kB chunks at a : time. Chunks cannot be missed or duplicated. Chunks cannot be left in : partially written state. Can kermit handle that? What version do I : need? Kermit can probably handle this. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jaltman@gmail.com Sun Mar 27 10:05:59 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WPA causing Kermit BSOD Date: 24 Mar 2005 06:40:50 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1111675250.531467.155150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.100.0.65 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1111675254 25276 127.0.0.1 (24 Mar 2005 14:40:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:40:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=18.100.0.65; posting-account=LV7V_g0AAADBkNIzAvM0bQdo1kJ4AF4M Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15311 I would like to point out that it is a device driver loaded in the kernel which causes the BSOD and not a user process such as K95. I suggest you look into finding an updated driver for your wireless card and perhaps updated firmware. From jdanskinner@jdanskinner.com Sun Mar 27 10:06:06 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!hw-filter.lga!fe04.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: WPA causing Kermit BSOD Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: X-Trace: badccedimaighcleipmdbhcmelkkefffjleeilknccdcclcniahondopcjchoebkcnlifddncnfijcinhlinpapbmdhbgnojmfedagilmbkmbagackfocgifmgmjojclbcfagklmibllijll NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:04:39 MST Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:52 -0600 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15312 "James Serjeant" wrote in message news:AKk0e.117849$Bk7.42052@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk... > Kermit 95 using TCP/IP over a WPA wireless link is causing XPSP2 to blue > screen and reboot. Any ideas anyone? Definately doesnt occur when > connected > via a normal LAN cable, only when its via my Wireless G WAP point with WPA > pre-shared key enabled. Very annoying!! > > Have you tried the native Windows Telnet client and/or the native Windows FTP client using the wireless connection. Do these fail when doing a function similar to the K95 function which fails? Regards...Dan. From vikrant.shahir@gmail.com Wed Mar 30 08:27:55 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "vikrant.shahir@gmail.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DIAL-class command failed Date: 30 Mar 2005 02:58:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 67 Message-ID: <1112180328.744431.319190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.63.168.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1112180332 25145 127.0.0.1 (30 Mar 2005 10:58:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:58:52 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=202.63.168.35; posting-account=IvJR2A0AAAA49r1jRi6JyM_8WEHa4lpw Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15313 hi computer 'A' and computer 'B' are connected to a GSM modem each. Both are linux machines(Redhat 9) and are using ckermit. Well i want to connect these computers so that i can transfer a file from computer 'A' to computer 'B'. to do this i kept computer 'B' in answer mode (using kermit) and then computer 'A' dials(using kermit) to that computer. Well it should work this way and get connected , so that i can transfer the file. But it doesn't work and ...the answering machine throws out an error(following) (/root/) C-Kermit>answer Waiting for phone call... Device: /dev/ttyS0, modem: generic, speed: 9600 Answer timeout: (none) To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). +++ ATQ0H0 +ATQ0H0 OK Modem hangup OK Initializing: 14:52:55... ATQ0V1 ATQ0V1 OK ATS0=1 OK RING +CLIP: "+919821328531",145 OK ANSWER Failure: 14:53:24: "OK" ************************* DIAL-class command failed. Modem type: generic Device: /dev/ttyS0 Speed: 9600 Dial status: 20 [Modem command error] . Please choose a specific modem type with SET MODEM TYPE and try again. SET MODEM TYPE ? to see the list of known modem types. . SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232 and try again. . If that doesn't work, try again with SET DIAL HANGUP OFF. . SHOW COMMUNICATIONS, SHOW MODEM, SHOW DIAL to see current settings. . HELP SET MODEM, HELP SET DIAL, and HELP DIAL for more information. (Use SET HINTS OFF to suppress future hints.) ************************* THE END From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Mar 30 08:28:01 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DIAL-class command failed Date: 30 Mar 2005 13:27:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <1112180328.744431.319190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1112189266 29434 128.59.59.56 (30 Mar 2005 13:27:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Mar 2005 13:27:46 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15314 On 2005-03-30, vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: : computer 'A' and computer 'B' are connected to a GSM modem each. : Both are linux machines(Redhat 9) and are using ckermit. : Well i want to connect these computers so that i can transfer a file : from computer 'A' : to computer 'B'. : : to do this i kept computer 'B' in answer mode (using kermit) and then : computer 'A' dials(using kermit) to that computer. : : Well it should work this way and get connected , so that i can transfer : the file. : : But it doesn't work and ...the answering machine throws out an : error(following) : : (/root/) C-Kermit>answer : Waiting for phone call... : Device: /dev/ttyS0, modem: generic, speed: 9600 : Answer timeout: (none) : To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). : +++ : ATQ0H0 : +ATQ0H0 : OK : Modem hangup OK : Initializing: 14:52:55... : ATQ0V1 : ATQ0V1 : OK : ATS0=1 : OK : RING : +CLIP: "+919821328531",145 : OK : ANSWER Failure: 14:53:24: "OK" : If the modems make a data connection, the message from the modem is supposed to be CONNECT, not OK. Check your modem manual. You can either adjust your modem to emit the message that Kermit expects, or you can adjust Kermit to wait for the message that the modem emits. Or you can skip the DIAL and/or ANSWER command altogether and write your own "chat" script to control the modem. - Frank From bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com Thu Mar 31 12:34:00 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-12!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DIAL-class command failed Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:38:28 -0000 Organization: Widgets, Inc. Message-ID: <114ml4ksaorrbaf@corp.supernews.com> References: <1112180328.744431.319190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 54 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15315 In article <1112180328.744431.319190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: >hi > >computer 'A' and computer 'B' are connected to a GSM modem each. >Both are linux machines(Redhat 9) and are using ckermit. >Well i want to connect these computers so that i can transfer a file >from computer 'A' >to computer 'B'. > >to do this i kept computer 'B' in answer mode (using kermit) and then >computer 'A' dials(using kermit) to that computer. > >Well it should work this way and get connected , so that i can transfer >the file. > >But it doesn't work and ...the answering machine throws out an >error(following) > > > >(/root/) C-Kermit>answer > Waiting for phone call... > Device: /dev/ttyS0, modem: generic, speed: 9600 > Answer timeout: (none) > To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). >+++ >ATQ0H0 >+ATQ0H0 >OK > Modem hangup OK > Initializing: 14:52:55... >ATQ0V1 >ATQ0V1 >OK >ATS0=1 >OK > > >RING > > >+CLIP: "+919821328531",145 > *THERE* is the cause of the problem. The modem is sending "Caller ID" information, which the 'answer' script is *not* expecting. Consult your modem manual, and find the appropriate command to tell it _NOT_ to send caller ID info. That should fix things. From vikrant.shahir@gmail.com Thu Mar 31 12:34:09 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "vikrant.shahir@gmail.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit-serial data Date: 31 Mar 2005 04:26:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1112272007.665436.90620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.63.168.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1112272013 22023 127.0.0.1 (31 Mar 2005 12:26:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:26:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=202.63.168.35; posting-account=IvJR2A0AAAA49r1jRi6JyM_8WEHa4lpw Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15316 hi, An ECG(Electro Cardio Graph) machine is connected to a COMM1 port and is constantly outputing data. Well how can i read this data comming from serial device and store it in a file using kermit. Well i am doing this for the first time and i do know this is not a complicated problem. But a humble request to you all, do answer it when you have free time . Clues : 1] the serial device is configured using following set line , set speed , set flow, 2] as a next step i need to read the values comming from that device and store it in file. Thanks for your time with best regards Vikrant From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Mar 31 12:39:52 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit-serial data Date: 31 Mar 2005 17:39:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <1112272007.665436.90620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1112290783 28340 128.59.59.56 (31 Mar 2005 17:39:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2005 17:39:43 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15317 On 2005-03-31, vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: : An ECG(Electro Cardio Graph) machine is connected to a COMM1 port and : is constantly outputing data. : : Well how can i read this data comming from serial device and store it : in a file using kermit. : First make the connection so that you see the right stuff coming on your screen. Then, the easy way to record this stuff in a file is with the command: LOG SESSION This creates a file named session.log in Kermit's current directory that contains a copy of all the characters that come in from the EKG. Of course you can also specify a different name and/or location for the file, and if you wish you can also have the data appended to an existing file rather than creating a new file; e.g.: LOG SESSION C:/EKG/LOGS/20050331.LOG APPEND Use the HELP command to get information about syntax and options of different commands, e.g. "help log". : Well i am doing this for the first time and i do know this is not a : complicated problem. But a humble request to you all, do answer it when : you have free time . : : Clues : : 1] the serial device is configured using following : set line , set speed , set flow, : 2] as a next step i need to read the values comming from that device : and store it in : file. : The method above is the easiest, but other methods can give you more control over starting and stopping the log, filtering, and so forth. - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 14:12:33 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: MS-Kermit 3.15 and VT320 emulation Date: 31 Mar 2005 19:42:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 73 Message-ID: <1112326969.632742.233690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1112326982 28078 127.0.0.1 (1 Apr 2005 03:43:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 03:43:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15318 Bev A. Kupf wrote: > I hope this question is appropriate for this group. It is. It probably would have been answered before now by someone more knowledgeable than I, but it seems to have not reached the news server at Columbia for some reason (at least it isn't in the archive there). >A piece of > equipment in the department I work in (Beckman scintillation > counter) was connected to a VT320 terminal, which died. The > connection was a serial connection - 19200 bps, 8 data bits, > no parity, 1 stop bit. > > A new VT320 is beyond the budget of the group that owns the > scintillation counter, so they asked me if I can hook it up > to an old PC. I did that by loading DOS 5.0 on an old 386, > and using MS-Kermit 3.15 as a terminal emulator. The kermit > initialization file contains the following commands: > > set port com1 > set speed 19200 > set flow none You might want 'set flow xon/xoff' here. it might make a difference. > set carrier off > set term type vt320 > connect > > I can communicate just fine with the instrument via Kermit, and > the data it sends back does draw on the screen. > > However, before new data is displayed on the screen, the screen > isn't "blanked", rather new stuff is written on top of old stuff. What did the real vt320 do? Did it clear the screen or scroll the screen. What does the Kermit emulation do? Does it restore the cursor to the top left and then 'type' over the old data or does it just overstrike on the bottom line or on the top line? > What parameters can I alter in Kermit so that the screen is > redrawn properly. It may be something simple like 'set terminal cr-display crlf', or it may be that Kermit isn't recognizing or is misinterperting the "host" command to clear the screen and restore the cursor. It isn't too likely, but it may be that the lack of flow control is causing part of the sequence to get lost. So, what is the expected behavior of the "vt320" and what command sequences if any are sent by the scintillation counter to accomplish this. Note: With K-95, you can see control characters and escape sequences with 'set terminal debug on', but this command doesn't work in some versions including 2.1.3 (on works like off), so you have to use alt-D to toggle the setting. I don't recall if there's a similar function in MS-Kermit. > Thanks so much! > Beverly > > P.S. I had the same problem when I tried Kermit95 running on > Windows 2000 PC. > -- > Many a smale maketh a grate -- Geoffrey Chaucer -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 4 10:39:30 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!easynews.net!easynet-isham!easynet-monga!easynet.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: MS-Kermit 3.15 and VT320 emulation Date: 3 Apr 2005 15:17:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1112566624.135434.126870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <1112326969.632742.233690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1112566628 28296 127.0.0.1 (3 Apr 2005 22:17:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:17:08 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1112326969.632742.233690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15319 Mark Sapiro wrote: > Bev A. Kupf wrote: > > What parameters can I alter in Kermit so that the screen is > > redrawn properly. > > It may be something simple like 'set terminal cr-display crlf', or it > may be that Kermit isn't recognizing or is misinterperting the "host" > command to clear the screen and restore the cursor. It isn't too > likely, but it may be that the lack of flow control is causing part of > the sequence to get lost. One other possibility is if the instrument is sending 8-bit CSI, you probably need set terminal controls 8 -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From vikrant.shahir@gmail.com Thu Apr 14 09:16:57 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "vikrant.shahir@gmail.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: calling kermit script through JSP page Date: 14 Apr 2005 00:57:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1113465443.874463.62130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.63.168.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1113465460 22126 127.0.0.1 (14 Apr 2005 07:57:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:57:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=202.63.168.35; posting-account=IvJR2A0AAAA49r1jRi6JyM_8WEHa4lpw Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15320 hi all, I would like to thank all of you and greatly to the "creator" of kermit, Mr. Frank. I was able to get connected to a GSM modem and was able to transfer a 100kb of file from one end to other using kermit. The kermit script(following) is written to attain the functionality. The script when executed from the terminal executes well, like this "./script_name " But i am facing a small problem... when the script is called from a JSP page it partially runs! meaning ...please see the following comments in brackets in script. #!/usr/bin/kermit + ;SCRIPT START set disconnect on set line /dev/ttyS0 .....(DOES NOT WORKS) open write /vikrant/check.txt......(WORKS) write file \%1 \%2 ......(WORKS) close write-file ......(WORKS) set exit warning off cd /vikrant/inbox set dial timeout 70 dial \%1 .....(DOES NOT WORKS) if fail exit 1 kermit -g /vikrant/outbox/*\%2 exit ;SCRIPPT END Meaning ...the 3 line are executed which writes 2 parameters into a file "check.txt" the "set line" and "dial" command is not executed ...where as, it is all executed when invoked from terminal what probably would be the reason ? with regards Vikrant From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Apr 14 09:20:32 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: calling kermit script through JSP page Date: 14 Apr 2005 13:20:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <1113465443.874463.62130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1113479713.511365.146780@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1113484819 6097 128.59.59.56 (14 Apr 2005 13:20:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2005 13:20:19 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15322 On 2005-04-14, vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: : Well i got the solution for the above problem : the solution was : : "set line /dev/ttyS0" ...was not working because the jsp page was not : having permissions to LOCK the /ttyS0 (i.e. comm1)port. : i.e. the file /var/lock was not having sufficient permissions. : This is documented in the manual, and also here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x10 (Sections 10 and 11). Also, as noted in the script-writing tutorial: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html any command that can fail should be followed by an IF FAIL command that catches the failure, so that the script does not continue executing as if the failed command had succeeded. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Apr 19 18:14:24 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: calling kermit script through JSP page Date: 14 Apr 2005 13:20:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <1113465443.874463.62130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1113479713.511365.146780@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1113484819 6097 128.59.59.56 (14 Apr 2005 13:20:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2005 13:20:19 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15322 On 2005-04-14, vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: : Well i got the solution for the above problem : the solution was : : "set line /dev/ttyS0" ...was not working because the jsp page was not : having permissions to LOCK the /ttyS0 (i.e. comm1)port. : i.e. the file /var/lock was not having sufficient permissions. : This is documented in the manual, and also here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x10 (Sections 10 and 11). Also, as noted in the script-writing tutorial: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html any command that can fail should be followed by an IF FAIL command that catches the failure, so that the script does not continue executing as if the failed command had succeeded. - Frank From ramseyrt@comcast.net Tue Apr 19 18:14:33 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:58:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Robert Ramsey" From: "Robert Ramsey" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit for Packet Radio Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:58:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.243.125.133 X-Trace: sv3-c4JW1vvcOyIxuuKlxGiLG+C+Xi/Dw6PYMkhCviDEUw73tcw2v0e1gx/m3BEvxEeJJ4hhXsO9RRLVlep!mBDU/f0dHAorLwlRCaqQZzJB8Ff0rxlrQBt5CvX3+fSEdIST2qdZGBcPEO2YJVB/f+f/fuiGUSiS!mQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15323 Hello, I'm trying to use kermit to interface my Kantronics KPC3+ (Radio Modem, TNC) on and SGI Octane running Irix 6.5.27. I perform the following: set line /dev/ttyd2 set speed 9600 set flow /direct-serial set carrier-watch off connect The prompt from my TNC shows up and I can run commands such as "help" on my TNC. However, every line overwrites the existing line. The behavior I'm expecting is that every new line will have it's own line and not overwrite the existing line. I believe this has something to do with kermit not interpreting the carriage returns or line feeds correctly? This exact same behavior exhibits itself when I "cu -s 9600 -l /dev/ttyd2" from a command line. What can I do to make this work? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Apr 19 18:14:36 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit for Packet Radio Date: 19 Apr 2005 22:13:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1113948803 3177 128.59.59.56 (19 Apr 2005 22:13:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Apr 2005 22:13:23 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15324 On 2005-04-18, Robert Ramsey wrote: : I'm trying to use kermit to interface my Kantronics KPC3+ (Radio Modem, TNC) : on and SGI Octane running Irix 6.5.27. I perform the following: : : set line /dev/ttyd2 : set speed 9600 : set flow /direct-serial : set carrier-watch off : connect : : The prompt from my TNC shows up and I can run commands such as "help" on my : TNC. However, every line overwrites the existing line. The behavior I'm : expecting is that every new line will have it's own line and not overwrite : the existing line. I believe this has something to do with kermit not : interpreting the carriage returns or line feeds correctly? This exact same : behavior exhibits itself when I "cu -s 9600 -l /dev/ttyd2" from a command : line. What can I do to make this work? : Try this: set terminal cr-display crlf - Frank From vikrant.shahir@gmail.com Thu Apr 21 09:36:09 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "vikrant.shahir@gmail.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet Date: 21 Apr 2005 03:06:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1114078012.787328.171890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.63.168.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1114078017 28857 127.0.0.1 (21 Apr 2005 10:06:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:06:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=202.63.168.36; posting-account=IvJR2A0AAAA49r1jRi6JyM_8WEHa4lpw Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15325 I am issuing "set host" to get connected to other computer through kermit. When i issue set host , it should idealy prompt for "login" and then followed by "password". But when i issue set host it issues "password prompt"(plz refer below) and then when i try to enter the root password, it flashes login incorrect . After this it gives login prompt. can i get a solution where i get login first and then password prompt START: for reference (/root/) C-Kermit>set host /connect /network-type:tcp/ip 192.168.0.12 Trying 192.168.0.12... Reverse DNS Lookup... Failed. Connecting to host 192.168.0.12 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. ---------------------------------------------------- Password: Login incorrect login: END: for reference vikrant From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Apr 21 09:37:05 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet Date: 21 Apr 2005 13:36:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <1114078012.787328.171890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1114090616 17324 128.59.59.56 (21 Apr 2005 13:36:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2005 13:36:56 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15326 On 2005-04-21, vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: : I am issuing "set host" to get connected to other computer through : kermit. : When i issue set host , it should idealy prompt for "login" and : then followed by "password". : But when i issue set host it issues "password prompt"(plz refer : below) and then when i try to enter the root password, it flashes login : incorrect . : After this it gives login prompt. : : can i get a solution where i get login first and then password prompt : Use this command: set login user This should prevent Kermit from sending the username in advance via telnet negotiation. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Thu Apr 21 12:24:29 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet References: <1114078012.787328.171890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1114078012.787328.171890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:26:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.193.46.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1114090003 24.193.46.55 (Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:26:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:26:43 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15327 vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: > (/root/) C-Kermit>set host /connect /network-type:tcp/ip > Trying 192.168.0.12... Reverse DNS Lookup... Failed. > Connecting to host 192.168.0.12 > Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled > Type the escape character followed by C to get back, > or followed by ? to see other options. > ---------------------------------------------------- > Password: > Login incorrect > > > login: Since you are not scripting the operations and you want telnet protocol you should use the form TELNET /user:root 192.168.0.12 You might also want to look at: PROBLEM: The Telnet Server does not display a "logon:" prompt http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnet80.html#x5.6 Jeffrey Altman -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Fri Apr 22 10:25:08 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:43:02 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: what organisation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-GB; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050420 Debian/1.7.7-2 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet References: <1114078012.787328.171890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1114078012.787328.171890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1139.adelaide.on.net.au Message-ID: <426833c1@duster.adelaide.on.net> X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1114125249 150.101.64.114 (22 Apr 2005 08:44:09 +0950) Lines: 36 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.moat.net!quokka.wn.com.au!figjam.pipenetworks.com!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15328 In addition to Jeffery and Frank's instructions, bear in mind that on some systems, telneting in as root is disabled as a security measure. Arthur. vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: > I am issuing "set host" to get connected to other computer through > kermit. > When i issue set host , it should idealy prompt for "login" and > then followed by "password". > But when i issue set host it issues "password prompt"(plz refer > below) and then when i try to enter the root password, it flashes login > incorrect . > After this it gives login prompt. > > can i get a solution where i get login first and then password prompt > > START: for reference > > (/root/) C-Kermit>set host /connect /network-type:tcp/ip 192.168.0.12 > Trying 192.168.0.12... Reverse DNS Lookup... Failed. > Connecting to host 192.168.0.12 > Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled > Type the escape character followed by C to get back, > or followed by ? to see other options. > ---------------------------------------------------- > Password: > Login incorrect > > > login: > END: for reference > > > vikrant > From vikrant.shahir@gmail.com Sat Apr 23 11:43:42 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "vikrant.shahir@gmail.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: scheduling in kermit ? Date: 23 Apr 2005 06:34:46 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1114263286.329364.298210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.63.168.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1114263290 17589 127.0.0.1 (23 Apr 2005 13:34:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:34:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=202.63.168.35; posting-account=IvJR2A0AAAA49r1jRi6JyM_8WEHa4lpw Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15329 The dialing script worked and now file can be transfered from PC-A to PC-B over GSM network, via GSM modem. NOW: Now i am looking out at the answering computer(PC-B) to work in 2 ways. 1] To be in answering mode throughout: This task is done by setting "ats0=1". 2] To dial out at a regular interval(SCHEDULING....?) How to achieve this ? The idea is , the answering computer(PC-B) will remain constantly in answer mode to recieve any incomming calls plus dial out to server after every 30 minutes to upload the file. So how will the PC-B be scheduled to dial out after every 30 mins. ? with regards Vikrant From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Apr 23 12:08:38 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: scheduling in kermit ? Date: 23 Apr 2005 16:08:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <1114263286.329364.298210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1114272500 1749 128.59.59.56 (23 Apr 2005 16:08:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Apr 2005 16:08:20 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15330 On 2005-04-23, vikrant.shahir@gmail.com wrote: : The dialing script worked and now file can be transfered from PC-A to : PC-B over GSM network, via GSM modem. : : NOW: : Now i am looking out at the answering computer(PC-B) to work in 2 ways. : : 1] To be in answering mode throughout: : This task is done by setting "ats0=1". : : 2] To dial out at a regular interval(SCHEDULING....?) : How to achieve this ? : : The idea is , the answering computer(PC-B) will remain constantly in answer : mode to recieve any incomming calls plus dial out to server after every 30 : minutes to upload the file. So how will the PC-B be scheduled to dial out : after every 30 mins. ? : Something like this: set modem type xxx set line /dev/ttyS0 if fail exit 1 ; (configure modem to disable caller ID feature) .interval ::= 30*60 ; Number of seconds in half an hour while true { .t1 := \v(ntime) ; Current time in seconds since midnight answer \m(interval) ; Wait \v(interval) secs for call if success { (handle incoming call) } .t2 := \v(ntime) ; New time if not > \m(t2) \m(t1) increment t2 86400 .interval ::= \m(interval) - (\m(t2) - \m(t1)) if <= \m(interval) 0 { (it is time to make a call - use DIAL command) .interval ::= 30*60 } } The proof is left as an exercise to the reader :-) - Frank From uhclem@DutchElmSt.invalid Mon May 2 08:56:06 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!newspump.sol.net!post02.iad01.newshosting.com!not-for-mail Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:16:17 -0400 From: "Mr. Uh Clem" Organization: Brotherhood of Zips and OtherS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit & Mac OS X 10.4.0 Tiger - ok so far Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Message-ID: <42758c4f$0$28866$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@newshosting.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15331 Just upgraded to Tiger via an Install & Update on Friday. Problem one was that I'd put the C-Kermit 8.0.21 binary I'd compiled under 10.2.8 into /usr/local/bin. /usr/local was removed. The real problem was the install also got rid of /var/spool/lock, so I had to re-establish that. I'd never really figured out how to do the lockfile right, just changed /var/spool/lock to rwrwrw... With the binary back in place and lock directory restored, C-Kermit worked fine for the telnet and dial-up accesses I use it for. One of these days, I'll get around to seeing if I can build it again too. -- Clem "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." - Fudd's first law of opposition From robertls@nortelnetworks.com Thu May 19 11:25:54 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone.bc.net!utnut!qcarhaaa.nortelnetworks.com!zcars129!not-for-mail From: "Robert Simmons" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to compile kermit w/o buffers??? Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:03:26 -0500 Organization: Nortel Networks Lines: 38 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: robertls-1.us.nortel.com X-Trace: zcars129.ca.nortel.com 1116453807 12140 47.102.217.233 (18 May 2005 22:03:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: hawkinsj@nortelnetworks.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:03:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15333 Frank, We got kermit to behave as we needed (without buffered output) by making the changes described by my colleauge below. Would it be possible to have this fixed in the kermit source?.. and even better yet, a runtime flag that can be passed to toggle this behavior? BTW, when I compiled with -DNONOSETBUF and tried "kermit -d" there is no log in the debug.log file for "concb setbuf" Thanks, Robert Hi Robert, I think the kermit issue has been solved. The solution is showed below, 1) Download the cku211.tar.gz, unzip it, type the following command, make linux The unbuffered feature is not built in. 2) Using the following command, make linux "KFLAGS=-DNONOSETBUF" The unbuffered feature does not work yet. Because in the file, ckutio.c, the line setbuf(stdout, NULL) is not executed at all. 3) Add new lines in file, ckcmai.c, #ifdef NONOSETBUF setbuf(stdout,NULL); #endif /* NONOSETBUF */ And then the kermit works well. From fdc@columbia.edu Fri May 20 12:52:45 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to compile kermit w/o buffers??? Date: 19 May 2005 15:26:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1116516400 21260 128.59.59.56 (19 May 2005 15:26:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2005 15:26:40 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15334 On 2005-05-18, Robert Simmons wrote: : We got kermit to behave as we needed (without buffered output) by making the : changes described by my colleauge below. Would it be possible to have this : fixed in the kermit source?.. and even better yet, a runtime flag that can : be passed to toggle this behavior? : : BTW, when I compiled with -DNONOSETBUF and tried "kermit -d" there is no log : in the debug.log file for "concb setbuf" : Thanks for the report, I'll add these to my list. - Frank From coleas@gmail.com Wed May 25 10:16:22 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "coleas" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Newbie C-Kermit Question Date: 24 May 2005 23:11:07 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1117001467.368425.39770@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.123.69.210 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1117001480 15480 127.0.0.1 (25 May 2005 06:11:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 06:11:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=203.123.69.210; posting-account=aaRC6w0AAACS5o1gNNn19rtOa32QiA6g Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15336 Hi I am currently researching what ftp clients I can use for a B2B project. I came across C-Kermit and impressed what it can do. I use SUZE Linux 8 and the C-Kermit version is 8.0.200. I am yet to find out what our B2B supplier uses as an ftp server but I think they use something on Windows or maybe AS400. Will C-Kermit still with work with the ftp server being unknown or does it need to be C-Kermit at their end as well ??? thanks From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Wed May 25 10:16:36 2005 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:44:35 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: what organisation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-GB; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050513 Debian/1.7.8-1 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie C-Kermit Question References: <1117001467.368425.39770@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1117001467.368425.39770@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1286.adelaide.on.net.au Message-ID: <429425e0@duster.adelaide.on.net> X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1117005280 150.101.65.5 (25 May 2005 16:44:40 +0950) Lines: 25 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-south.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15337 coleas wrote: > Hi > > I am currently researching what ftp clients I can use for a B2B > project. I came across C-Kermit and impressed what it can do. I use > SUZE Linux 8 and the C-Kermit version is 8.0.200. > > I am yet to find out what our B2B supplier uses as an ftp server but I > think they use something on Windows or maybe AS400. > > Will C-Kermit still with work with the ftp server being unknown or does > it need to be C-Kermit at their end as well ??? C-Kermit should work with any ftp server. Follow the links from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html for details on using C-Kermit as an FTP client. Arthur. > > thanks > From kevinl01@earthlink.net Thu May 26 17:00:44 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!15e436bc!not-for-mail From: Kevin L User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit server requirements Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 04:01:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.131.72.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1117080108 4.131.72.138 (Wed, 25 May 2005 21:01:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:01:48 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15338 We have encountered a problem with an embedded device and I'm thinking Kermit might have my best answer. The device itself is a Pentium 266MHz running Windows 2000. The "control computer" that talks to it in a 486 100MHz running Linux. Short form is, the device supports ethernet (10 / 100 baseTX) but we can't get enough cat-3 or cat-5 cabling between it and the control computer. It's an underwater instrument, and the last two feet of waterproof pigtail is straight wires, and this is apparently enough to kill the ethernet signalling. I think I can solve this by re-wiring the 4 ethernet wires to run into a serial port instead. We max at 115200 bps, though, and need to at least get some kind of performance on our data transfers. I'm considering two options with this serial port. The first is to run a PPP server and pretend at the application layer that all is still ethernet. The second is to run a Kermit server and issue host commands and file transfer commands. I like the Kermit idea because I feel that it will enjoy a significant performance gain for file transfers against FTP-via-PPP. The files I need to transfer will be in the neighborhood of 4MB each, and I'm still not certain how many I'll need to move every day. Coupled with unreliable 3-wire rs232 at 115200, I think the Kermit protocol will be the fastest thing available and I can trust its crash recovery feature better than FTP's. The host commands I need to send are rather trivial and the output of them can be parsed easily on the control computer. So, what do I need to run a Kermit server on Windows 2000? Do any of the free versions do it? Can it be set to run as a service, and can I easily verify its presence from the control computer? Does it restart itself on crashes, or is it so reliable nowadays that I needn't ask the question? Finally, is there any good reason I just stick to PPP? From nospam@killspam.org Thu May 26 17:15:39 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.yul.equant.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.glorb.com!atl-c03.usenetserver.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: Kermit server requirements Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:02:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1117123377 24.148.161.18 (Thu, 26 May 2005 09:02:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:02:57 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15339 You need kermit 95. It is NOT free, but is cheap. I would not recommend using the trial version, the vbox encryption is onerous, getting it completely removed is a pain. It will not run as a windows service to the best of my knowledge, but is easily set up in a host mode. I would recommend an autologon enable for this situation, and a startup script that invokes kermit w/ the desired parameters automatically. It is a simple matter to write a watchdog application that restarts kermit in the unlikely event of failure. a kermit to kermit transfer w/ appropriate tuning will, I believe provide quite acceptable performance. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu May 26 17:15:44 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit server requirements Date: 26 May 2005 21:15:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1117142110 14328 128.59.59.56 (26 May 2005 21:15:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 2005 21:15:10 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15340 On 2005-05-26, Kevin L wrote: : We have encountered a problem with an embedded device and I'm thinking : Kermit might have my best answer. The device itself is a Pentium 266MHz : running Windows 2000. The "control computer" that talks to it in a 486 : 100MHz running Linux. : : Short form is, the device supports ethernet (10 / 100 baseTX) but we can't : get enough cat-3 or cat-5 cabling between it and the control computer. It's : an underwater instrument, and the last two feet of waterproof pigtail is : straight wires, and this is apparently enough to kill the ethernet : signalling. I think I can solve this by re-wiring the 4 ethernet wires to : run into a serial port instead. We max at 115200 bps, though, and need to : at least get some kind of performance on our data transfers. : This is quite feasible as long as all the interfaces along the path support hardware flow control. But you only have 4 wires - 1 for signal ground, 1 for receive, 1 for transmit, only one left, which you probably want to use for DTR and CD (crossed). So you won't have the best flow control. Second best is Xon/Xoff, but that's subject to deadlocks on noisy connections. Third best is none at all; let Kermit handle it by regulating the size and flow of packets. : I'm considering two options with this serial port. The first is to run a : PPP server and pretend at the application layer that all is still ethernet. : The second is to run a Kermit server and issue host commands and file : transfer commands. : Honestly, I don't know much about the internals of PPP, but TCP and IP, which ride on top of it, do not (last time I looked) support such notions as sliding windows with selective retransmission. In which case, recovering from a transmission error could be much more expensive than with Kermit. But without effective flow control, you might not be able to use sliding windows in Kermit. It's hard to say without knowing all the facts. Ideally you would try each under controlled conditions -- different error rates, etc -- and see for yourself. : I like the Kermit idea because I feel that it will enjoy a significant : performance gain for file transfers against FTP-via-PPP. The files I need : to transfer will be in the neighborhood of 4MB each, and I'm still not : certain how many I'll need to move every day. Coupled with unreliable : 3-wire rs232 at 115200, I think the Kermit protocol will be the fastest : thing available and I can trust its crash recovery feature better than : FTP's. : Which you can use as long as the files are transferred in binary mode. : The host commands I need to send are rather trivial and the output : of them can be parsed easily on the control computer. : : So, what do I need to run a Kermit server on Windows 2000? Do any of the : free versions do it? Can it be set to run as a service, and can I easily : verify its presence from the control computer? Does it restart itself on : crashes, or is it so reliable nowadays that I needn't ask the question? : Kermit 95 is not free, but one copy won't break the bank: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95order.html What you would do, I think, is write a trivial script that sets any desired parameters (port, speed, current directory, etc etc) and starts Kermit 95 server mode (any file whose type is ".ksc" will be executed by Kermit 95). This script can then be set up as service with SRVANY: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q137890/ : Finally, is there any good reason I just stick to PPP? : PPP, TCP, and IP layers will add a lot more overhead than Kermit. On a non-flowcontrolled serial connection they might not work very well, or at all. At least with Kermit you can crank the packet length and/or window size down to the greatest combination that works reliably. - Frank From nospam@killspam.org Fri May 27 14:50:10 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: Kermit server requirements Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 02:00:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1117159241 24.148.161.18 (Thu, 26 May 2005 19:00:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:00:41 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15342 My experience w/ SRVANY has been less than stellar but I haven't tried it w/ kermit in production due to my previous experiences w/ the servany tool...- can anyone who is using the combination of this and kermit in a high volume or mission critical environment advise of their happiness w/ this methodology? Frank, Thanks again for your valuable thoughts. From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri May 27 14:50:42 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie - Slow text selection in Kermit? Date: 26 May 2005 19:20:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <1117160453.284231.274600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1117160458 4087 127.0.0.1 (27 May 2005 02:20:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 02:20:58 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15341 Nick Leachman wrote: > Hi, > > I'm relativley new to Kermit; and I use it mainly to access network devies > via SSH - which works great. However, I often need to capture large chunks > of text from the SSH session in order to save a config, etc. You could use the "log session" command to capture the text. I.e. escape to command mode and give the commands log session connect Then give the command to produce the desired output and again escape back to command mode and give the command close session-log This will produce a log of that portion of your terminal session in the file session.log in your current directory. You can give a different file name in the log session command, e.g. "log session foo.txt" > I currently do this by highlighting it with the mouse; and it is fast enough > to highlight the text showing in the window. However, if I also need to copy > text that has scrolled off the current page the scrolling/marking process > becomes very slow. > > Does anyone know how to speed up the text selection for copying? You could investigate "mark mode" which may or may not help. Give the "manual" command to K95, then select Terminal Emulation * Advanced Screen Navigation Features or just open the file /docs/manual/scroll.htm in your web browser. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From fdc@columbia.edu Fri May 27 14:52:18 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie - Slow text selection in Kermit? Date: 27 May 2005 18:51:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <1117160453.284231.274600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1117219917 6983 128.59.59.56 (27 May 2005 18:51:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2005 18:51:57 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15343 On 2005-05-27, Mark Sapiro wrote: : Nick Leachman wrote: :... :> I currently do this by highlighting it with the mouse; and it is fast enough :> to highlight the text showing in the window. However, if I also need to copy :> text that has scrolled off the current page the scrolling/marking process :> becomes very slow. :> :> Does anyone know how to speed up the text selection for copying? : : You could investigate "mark mode" which may or may not help. : Use the Page Up, Page Down, and End keys, then it's instantaneous. - Frank From coleas@gmail.com Thu Jun 2 10:20:31 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "coleas" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit V 8.0.200 Date: 1 Jun 2005 23:46:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1117694798.179209.125250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.123.69.210 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1117694804 31934 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2005 06:46:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:46:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=203.123.69.210; posting-account=aaRC6w0AAACS5o1gNNn19rtOa32QiA6g Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15345 Hi whenever I try to do a lcd in a ftp script to get local direcory I get the error -- ?Not a command or macro name: "lcd" is there a bug in 8.0.200 ? how do I get around it ? thanks From vikrant.shahir@gmail.com Thu Jun 2 10:23:44 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "vikrant.shahir@gmail.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit V 8.0.200 Date: 2 Jun 2005 05:05:50 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1117713950.566486.178220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1117694798.179209.125250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.63.168.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1117713956 24517 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2005 12:05:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:05:56 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1117694798.179209.125250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=202.63.168.35; posting-account=IvJR2A0AAAA49r1jRi6JyM_8WEHa4lpw Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15347 Well there might be possibility that, you left some blank spaces at the beginning of the "lcd" command . Make sure that there are no leading blank spaces. One tends to do that as a part of indention, which might be the problem . Vikrant From Sysadmin_member@newsguy.com Thu Jun 2 10:24:26 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Sysadmin Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ISKD service as a telnet service replacement Date: 2 Jun 2005 02:51:33 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-504.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 4.64 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15346 Hi, Is it possible to run the iksd service as a pure telnet service replacement, to be accessed from vanilla telnet clients? I'm interested in this pruely for my own work computer, to be accessed only by me. How do I give access to shell commands for authenticated users? Commands I've figured out so far are: SET IKS ANONYMOUS LOGINS OFF SET SYSLOG LOGIN FILE-CREATE FILE-ACCESS COMMANDS SET IKS XFERLOG ON SET IKS DEFAULT-DOMAIN mydomain SET IKS TIMEOUT 3600 It's reading all kinds of scripts when I log on. Can I, and should I restrict it from reading all those ini-files and only use iksd.ksc? ---8<--- EXECUTING STANDARD K95 INITIALIZATION FILE: C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Kermit 95/k95.ini EXECUTING SITE CUSTOMIZATION FILE: C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Kermit 95/k95site.ini EXECUTING SAMPLE CUSTOMIZATION FILE: C:/Documents and Settings/myself/Application Data/Kermit 95/K95CUSTOM.INI ---8<--- From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Jun 2 10:26:04 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit V 8.0.200 Date: 2 Jun 2005 14:23:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <1117694798.179209.125250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1117722209 25494 128.59.59.56 (2 Jun 2005 14:23:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2005 14:23:29 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15348 On 2005-06-02, coleas wrote: : whenever I try to do a lcd in a ftp script to get local direcory I get : the error -- ?Not a command or macro name: "lcd" : : is there a bug in 8.0.200 ? : No, the L-commands (LCD, LDIR, LDEL, etc) were added after 8.0.200 was released. They are available in 8.0.201 (July 2002) and later. The current version is 8.0.211: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html - Frank From hkdevel@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 17:05:11 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: hkdevel@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: convert lf -> lf/cr Date: 3 Jun 2005 10:01:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1117818075.712279.116900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.5.34.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1117818082 32379 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2005 17:01:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:01:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=153.5.34.23; posting-account=PMx-WA0AAAANDuyYjZmKt8IdDwqAHmgG Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15349 Hi, I'm runnig c-kermit 8.0.209 on linux box. I'm connectin to a embedded system via serial line with following options set in my config: set line /dev/ttyUSB0 set speed 115200 set carrier-watch off set handshake none set flow-control none robust set file type bin set file name lit set rec pack 1000 set send pack 1000 set window 5 log SESSION /tmp/kermlog-axissaxis The problem is that remote device sends only lf at the end of the string and output in kermit is always indented since cr if missing. Is there a way to translate lf to lf/cr automaticly? From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Jun 3 17:34:59 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: convert lf -> lf/cr Date: 3 Jun 2005 21:34:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <1117818075.712279.116900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1117834488 18120 128.59.59.56 (3 Jun 2005 21:34:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2005 21:34:48 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15350 On 2005-06-03, hkdevel@gmail.com wrote: : I'm runnig c-kermit 8.0.209 on linux box. I'm connectin to a embedded : system via serial line with following options set in my config: : : set line /dev/ttyUSB0 : set speed 115200 : set carrier-watch off : set handshake none : set flow-control none : robust : set file type bin : set file name lit : set rec pack 1000 : set send pack 1000 : set window 5 : log SESSION /tmp/kermlog-axissaxis : : The problem is that remote device sends only lf at the end of the : string and output in kermit is always indented since cr if missing. : : Is there a way to translate lf to lf/cr automaticly? : I could have sworn there was but I can't find it in the commands or in the code. There is a command: set terminal cr-display { cr, crlf } to handle bare incoming carriage returns, but none for bare incoming linefeeds. Then looking through my notes, I realize I meant to add it quite some time ago, when the same thing happened to me when I was typing directly at a PostScript interpreter. So OK, I moved this item up towards the top of the list. In the meantime, if you're a C programmer, the modification to ckucns.c should be pretty straightforward, it would be right here, about line 2246: if (c == CR && tt_crd) { /* SET TERM CR-DISPLA CRLF? */ ckcputc(c); /* Yes, output CR */ if (seslog && !sessft) logchar((char)c); c = LF; /* and insert a linefeed */ } Just stuff a CR before passing on the LF: if (c == LF && tt_crd) { /* SET TERM CR-DISPLA CRLF? */ ckcputc(CR); /* Yes, output CR first */ if (seslog && !sessft) logchar((char)CR); } bearing in mind that then you will have a hacked version in which SET TERM CR-DISPLAY really means SET TERM LF-DISPLAY. When the next release (or daily edit) appears, it will have the new command and you can throw your version out and use the new one. - Frank From hkdevel@gmail.com Mon Jun 6 11:11:59 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: hkdevel@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: convert lf -> lf/cr Date: 5 Jun 2005 10:28:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1117992517.013684.143350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1117818075.712279.116900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.5.34.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1117992522 21009 127.0.0.1 (5 Jun 2005 17:28:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:28:42 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=153.5.34.23; posting-account=PMx-WA0AAAANDuyYjZmKt8IdDwqAHmgG Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15351 > Just stuff a CR before passing on the LF: > > if (c == LF && tt_crd) { /* SET TERM CR-DISPLA CRLF? */ > ckcputc(CR); /* Yes, output CR first */ > if (seslog && !sessft) logchar((char)CR); > } > > bearing in mind that then you will have a hacked version in which SET TERM > CR-DISPLAY really means SET TERM LF-DISPLAY. When the next release (or daily > edit) appears, it will have the new command and you can throw your version out > and use the new one. > Thank you for this quick&dirty hack help. It does just what I wanted! regards, hk From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Jun 9 17:48:27 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit server requirements Date: 9 Jun 2005 21:48:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1118353699 27901 128.59.59.56 (9 Jun 2005 21:48:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2005 21:48:19 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15353 On 2005-06-09, Kevin L wrote: : ... : I've got the machines set up and am running initial tests now. The : device computer has k95.exe running via SRVANY, the control computer is : running Linux C-Kermit. All looks well, I'm getting 10,000cps - : 20,000cps on file transfers (binary mode, flow-control none, : carrier-watch off). However, a few things are strange: : : 1. I have to allow k95.exe access to the desktop so I can click through : the "try" button on the evaluation splash screen. We're almost ready : with a purchase order (we're another university :) ) to get a full : version. Question is: will the purchased no-nag version need to get to : the desktop too? : No. : 2. The memory usage seems way off. Under taskmgr, k95.exe consumes 14 : megabytes of memory + 5 MB for vbox.dll. Though I know Kermit 95 is a : superb terminal emulator, I don't need all that function for this use : case. In general, how can I reduce k95's memory use? More : specifically, can I execute k95.exe in a "bare-bones" mode ala gkermit? : I'm ordering the "non-crypto" version, will that eliminate "vbox.dll"? : Vbox is the nag screen. It was grafted on the K95 by our electronic sales and delivery provider, e-academy.com. It's not in the registered version at all. Various features can be deselected via command-line options, that can reduce memory consumption by not loading unneeded DLLs, etc, e.g.: -# Kermit 95 Startup Flags Argument: 2 - do not load optional network dlls 4 - do not load optional tapi dlls 8 - do not load optional kerberos dlls 16 - do not load optional zmodem dlls 32 - use stdin for input instead of the console 64 - use stdout for output instead of the console : 3. The CPU requirements are also high: during file transfer from : C-Kermit to Kermit 95, taskmgr reports k95 as using 95-99% of available : CPU. Am I doing something wrong? By contrast, the C-Kermit cpu use is : negligible. One thing that's unusual in my setup: the serial port is : actually a USB-to-serial bridge. : Who knows. Kermit 95 is all threads and semaphores, there are no busy loops. It is easy on most CPUs, but every Windows box is different and who knows what is lurking behind the windows. : In general though Kermit 95 is working out well here. I wish we had a : few more places to deploy it. :) : Thanks :-) - Frank From nospam@killspam.org Fri Jun 10 20:02:06 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: Kermit server requirements Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 23:18:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1118359117 24.148.161.18 (Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:18:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:18:37 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15354 1) I warned you about the shareware version :) Uninstall will not remove the vbox crap. You will have to google for vbox removal tools - if you can't find one, I may be able to dig up something from the days when I was evaling... 2) I have not run into any situation where k95 was responsible for inordinate cpu usage - but I don't run it under the SVRANY scenario -- No responses as yet to my queries to the k95 user community about persons using k95 / SVRANY in production or high volume environments. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Mon Jun 13 10:37:20 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit server requirements References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:30:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1118489401 68.175.91.105 (Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:30:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:30:01 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15356 nospam@killspam.org wrote: > 1) I warned you about the shareware version :) Uninstall will not remove > the vbox crap. You will have to google for vbox removal tools - if you > can't find one, I may be able to dig up something from the days when I was > evaling... I agree. The vbox stuff sucks and makes evaluations of the product except as an interactive terminal impossible. > 2) I have not run into any situation where k95 was responsible for > inordinate cpu usage - but I don't run it under the SVRANY scenario -- No > responses as yet to my queries to the k95 user community about persons using > k95 / SVRANY in production or high volume environments. When running under SRVANY you do not want to give K95 access to the desktop. In fact, you want to run it without a console. Therefore, you should start it with the command line options to force the use of stdio. K95 runs just as well under SRVANY as it does on the desktop. There are sites that used to use K95 in production in this manner but all of them that I am aware of have switched to TCP/IP based connections and IKSD. Jeffrey Altman Kermit 95 Author Secure Endpoints Inc. -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From amtekdesign@gmail.com Fri Jun 24 09:08:14 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Iterating Through a Dialing Directory Date: 23 Jun 2005 12:53:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1119556401.918892.120180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.11.65.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1119556408 2876 127.0.0.1 (23 Jun 2005 19:53:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:53:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=72.11.65.66; posting-account=tgxbug0AAACxC6q49buZi6KZ88EzKaXG Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15357 I'm trying to use Kermit 95 on a WinXP host to modem dial a group of point-of-sale devices. I'd like to set up the phone numbers in a dialing directory and then have a script loop through the directory, calling each device and downloading sales data, until each device has been polled. It seems like there should be an easy way to do this, but I can't find anything short of using normal file I/O to scan the directory file, pull out each name, and give it to the dial command. From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Jun 24 10:10:24 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Iterating Through a Dialing Directory Date: 24 Jun 2005 14:09:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <1119556401.918892.120180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1119622152 17679 128.59.59.56 (24 Jun 2005 14:09:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jun 2005 14:09:12 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15358 On 2005-06-23, Allen wrote: : I'm trying to use Kermit 95 on a WinXP host to modem dial a group of : point-of-sale devices. I'd like to set up the phone numbers in a : dialing directory and then have a script loop through the directory, : calling each device and downloading sales data, until each device has : been polled. It seems like there should be an easy way to do this, but : I can't find anything short of using normal file I/O to scan the : directory file, pull out each name, and give it to the dial command. : Right, there is no built-in function to step through a dialing directory. I would say that the way you are doing it is appropriate, but I also think it would be good if Kermit had a programmatic way to access the dialing-directory filename list, and also programmatic access to its own functions for reading the entries (stripping comments and whatnot); I'll add these to my list. Meanwhile, here's a short script that reads and parses a dialing directory file. It accounts for {Entry Names Containing Spaces}, blank lines, comment lines, and trailing comments: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit + if not def \%1 exit 1 "Usage: \%0 dialing-directory-filename" fopen /read \%c \fcontents(\%1) # Open the file if fail exit 1 define parse { # Parse dialing directory entry .name := \%1 # Entry name shift # Shift past name .number := \%* # Phone number is the rest .\%9 := \findex(\32;,\m(number)) # Strip any trailing comment if \%9 .number := \ftrim(\s(number[1:\%9])) } .\%n = 0 # Entry counter while true { fread /line \%c line # Read a line if fail break # End of file .line := \ftrim(\fltrim(\m(line))) # Remove any surrounding spaces if not def line continue # Skip blank lines if eq "\s(line[1:1])" ";" continue # Skip comment lines if eq "\s(line[1:1])" "#" continue # Ditto parse \m(line) # Parse and count the entry incr \%n echo "\%n. [\m(name)] = [\m(number)]" } fclose \%c exit 0 "Records: \%n" Replace the ECHO command with a call to any macro or script file that you want to make the call and do the work. - Frank From nospam@killspam.org Mon Jun 27 09:02:25 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!router3.news.adelphia.net!feed.100proofnews.com.MISMATCH!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1119556401.918892.120180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Entirely a topic hijack. Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:24:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1119831841 24.148.161.18 (Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:24:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:24:01 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15359 > it would be good if Kermit had a programmatic way to access the > dialing-directory filename list, and also programmatic access to its own > functions for reading the entries (stripping comments and whatnot); I'll > add these to my list. Implication that there is continuing development of K95? Mr. Altman has mentioned that he's willing to do contract work for privately available patches, but I was not aware that a new general release was planned or even being contemplated. If I'm not reading too much into this, do you have an estimated timeframe for when a new version of K95 would be available, and what we might expect it to contain? (Removal of the 2GB file size limit, etc. :) Thanks for all your continuing hard work in striving under difficult conditions to continue to help ensure the continued use / growth of Kermit. From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Jun 27 09:13:21 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Entirely a topic hijack. Date: 27 Jun 2005 13:13:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <1119556401.918892.120180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1119877991 15964 128.59.59.56 (27 Jun 2005 13:13:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2005 13:13:11 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15360 On 2005-06-27, wrote: : : Implication that there is continuing development of K95? Mr. Altman has : mentioned that he's willing to do contract work for privately available : patches, but I was not aware that a new general release was planned or even : being contemplated. : It's always being planned, always being contemplated. : If I'm not reading too much into this, do you have an estimated timeframe : for when a new version of K95 would be available... : I hope this year. : ... and what we might expect it to contain? (Removal of the 2GB file size : limit, etc. :) : See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html (the last part of the KERMIT 95 SUPPORT AND UPDATE STATUS section). The 2GB size limit is a big one, as it is in C-Kermit. Well, maybe not as big as in C-Kermit because at least in Windows there is only one way to do it, whereas in other OS's such as Unix (Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, etc etc) there are myriad ways. The C-Kermit source code is public, anybody who wants to lend a hand is more than welcome. The best way to ensure that a feature gets into a future release of K95 is to put it in C-Kermit first because K95 *is* C-Kermit, plus some stuff. : Thanks for all your continuing hard work in striving under difficult : conditions to continue to help ensure the continued use / growth of : Kermit. : The best way to ensure continued development of K95 is for people to continue licensing it. The more orders we get (particularly for bulk right-to-copy licenses), the more options we have as to future releases. - Frank From timothy.folks@edgescape.com Wed Jun 29 09:24:42 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!p01!lakeread06.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Timothy Folks Subject: Kerberos 1.4.1 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 31 User-Agent: KNode/0.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:22:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.180.58.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: lakeread06 1120015341 70.180.58.58 (Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:22:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:22:21 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15361 I recently upgraded to Kerberos 1.4.1 from 1.3.6 on Gentoo and found that C-Kermit 8.0.211 make xermit with flags "-DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_KERBEROS -DCK_ENCRYPTION -DCK_DES -DKRB5" wouldn't compile anymore. The linker would die with with "In function `ck_auth_init':: undefined reference to `krb5_init_ets'," I googled that function and found that it was deprecated a while back, wasn't considered part of the public Kerberos API, and was removed in Kerberos 1.4. It apparently broke several Kerberos applications. While looking in the ckuath.c file, I noticed the MIT_CURRENT define, then grepped all the source for a description of that define, and in ckuath.h found: /* Define MIT_CURRENT to compile the code for use with versions of */ /* Kerberos later than KRB5 1.0.5. Note. This will not compile */ /* successfully in Kermit 95 due to the segmentation of crypto */ /* into a separate DLL. I added -DMIT_CURRENT to my make flags and recompiled. This time, I got a bunch of DES function related compile errors (emailed to Kermit support) in ck_crp.c. I removed "-DCK_ENCRYPTION -DCK_DES" from my make flags and recompiled. This worked fine. The end result is that I have telnet authenication with Kerberos but no telnet-based encryption, which is ok because I can encrypt the telnet session over TLS anyway. I'm not a Kerberos programming guru, or I'd try to help with the code. I hope my experimenting and bug reporting saves someone some time down the line. Tim From timothy.folks@edgescape.com Wed Jun 29 09:24:47 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!feed.cgocable.net!meganewsservers.com!feeder2.on.meganewsservers.com!news.glorb.com!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!p01!lakeread06.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Timothy Folks Subject: Re: Kerberos 1.4.1 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Lines: 8 User-Agent: KNode/0.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:49:55 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.180.58.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: lakeread06 1120027794 70.180.58.58 (Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:49:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:49:54 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15362 I've confirmed that Kerberos 1.4.1 (and perhaps 1.4 as well) has removed krb5_init_ets from the libkrb5 library. You can still get full Kerberos functionality by commenting out the krb5_init_ets call in ckuath.c since the krb5_init_ets function had been a no-op anyway. You needn't use any of the -D make flags that I posted earlier. Thanks to Jeffrey Altman for the tip. Tim From amtekdesign@gmail.com Sat Jul 2 12:07:08 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to Log Command Screen Text? Date: 30 Jun 2005 12:56:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1120161393.658517.295660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.11.65.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1120161399 11794 127.0.0.1 (30 Jun 2005 19:56:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:56:39 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=72.11.65.66; posting-account=tgxbug0AAACxC6q49buZi6KZ88EzKaXG Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15364 I'd like to log the text that's written to the command screen (particularly before a connection is made), but none of the LOG commands (CX, DEBUG, SESSION, TRANSACTIONS were the ones I tried) seem to do this. My application involves running a script as a scheduled task and I want to be able to log any dialing problems (BUSY, NO CARRIER, how many redials, etc.) that occur. I'm running Kermit 95 2.1 under WinXP/SP2. Thanks in advance for any help. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sat Jul 2 12:07:12 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!newsswing.news.prodigy.com.MISMATCH!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Log Command Screen Text? References: <1120161393.658517.295660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1120161393.658517.295660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:08:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1120162086 68.175.91.105 (Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:08:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:08:06 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15363 Allen wrote: > I'd like to log the text that's written to the command screen > (particularly before a connection is made), but none of the LOG > commands (CX, DEBUG, SESSION, TRANSACTIONS were the ones I tried) seem > to do this. My application involves running a script as a scheduled > task and I want to be able to log any dialing problems (BUSY, NO > CARRIER, how many redials, etc.) that occur. I'm running Kermit 95 2.1 > under WinXP/SP2. Thanks in advance for any help. > Commands of interest: CLEAR COMMAND SCROLLBACK SAVE COMMAND SCROLLBACK -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From amtekdesign@gmail.com Sat Jul 2 12:08:01 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Log Command Screen Text? Date: 1 Jul 2005 17:42:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1120264977.286778.283760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1120161393.658517.295660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.11.65.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1120264981 11734 127.0.0.1 (2 Jul 2005 00:43:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 00:43:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=72.11.65.66; posting-account=tgxbug0AAACxC6q49buZi6KZ88EzKaXG Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15365 Thanks Jeffrey, that did the trick. I'm finding Kermit to be a very "deep" application with a lot of capabilities, but it isn't always easy to find the feature I need. I'm hoping that someday the C-Kermit/K95 documentation will be consolidated into a single PDF. From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Jul 2 12:09:34 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Log Command Screen Text? Date: 2 Jul 2005 16:09:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <1120161393.658517.295660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1120264977.286778.283760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1120320567 2931 128.59.59.56 (2 Jul 2005 16:09:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2005 16:09:27 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15366 On 2005-07-02, Allen wrote: : Thanks Jeffrey, that did the trick. I'm finding Kermit to be a very : "deep" application with a lot of capabilities, but it isn't always easy : to find the feature I need. I'm hoping that someday the C-Kermit/K95 : documentation will be consolidated into a single PDF. : I hope the documentation will be consolidated some day, but in the meantime, at least it exists. The trend of the last few years is to not even bother with documentation. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Jul 17 10:01:30 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tool to interpret packets? and Qs about lineout! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:45:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1121463911 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:45:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:45:11 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15368 Mark wrote: > Hello gurus, > I have a couple of kermit questions and hope I chose the right group to ask > in... > > Are there any utilities available (for FreeBSD or dos/windows) which can be > fed raw packet data and interpret the commands that were issued? > What I'd like to see is the command issued to generate a packet such as: > [soh]0 Iz @-Y1~@ 5T7[cr] > (and many, many others) > > If I were to use the 'lineout' command to output my own 'packet' (i.e., > header/length/seq/type/data/cksum) would it be interpretted > properly on the other side and be handled accordingly? (assume a properly > formatted packet with a valid command type and data segment) > > Thanks in advance, > Mark I am unaware of any external Kermit packet trace debugging tools. If you are using C-Kermit, you can log debug to obtain everything C-Kermit knows about the packet processing. -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From als73@hotmail.com Tue Jul 19 11:06:10 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!spooler.hal-mli.net!news.hal-pc.org!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet to SCO From: als73@hotmail.com (als) Organization: ccs X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.10 beta4 [mds] (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 18 Jul 2005 23:43:21 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <42dc3e99$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 2005 18:43:21 CDT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.70.164.41 X-Trace: 1121730201 news.hal-pc.org 2225 als/207.70.164.41:39088 X-Complaints-To: abuse@hal-pc.org Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15369 I'll try to phrase this correctly :) I would like to telnet to a SCO sVr4 box, and get essentially the same interaction seen in a Linux Bash console. What (SCO) terminal type would be closest? I have tried to copy the Linux terminal definition for console, VT100, and a few others, but have had no success. Linux: C-Kermit 7.0.197, SCO: C-kermit 6.0.192 On an semi-related note, I am curious why some file transfers run much faster than others (all text files). Low of about 18k, high about 88k. From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Jul 19 11:06:23 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet to SCO Date: 19 Jul 2005 15:06:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <42dc3e99$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1121785568 17352 128.59.59.56 (19 Jul 2005 15:06:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2005 15:06:08 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15370 On 2005-07-18, als wrote: : I'll try to phrase this correctly :) : I would like to telnet to a SCO sVr4 box, and get essentially the same : interaction seen in a Linux Bash console. What (SCO) terminal type : would be closest? I have tried to copy the Linux terminal definition : for console, VT100, and a few others, but have had no success. : Linux: C-Kermit 7.0.197, SCO: C-kermit 6.0.192 : >From Windows, no problem, use Kermit 95 and its built-in SCOANSI emulator. >From Linux, not quite so simple; see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term : On an semi-related note, I am curious why some file transfers run much : faster than others (all text files). Low of about 18k, high about 88k. : There could be a thousand explanations. All else being equal, it's not what you'd expect. So all else must not be equal :-) - Frank From sober@localbar.com Tue Jul 19 16:24:21 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!newsread.com!newsstand.newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: tool to interpret packets? and Qs about lineout! Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:21:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.165.153.58 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 1121804504 63.165.153.58 (Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:21:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:21:44 EDT Organization: InteliPort (inteliport.com) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15371 "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:H7WBe.1111$Na6.495200@twister.nyc.rr.com... > Mark wrote: > >> Hello gurus, >> I have a couple of kermit questions and hope I chose the right group to >> ask >> in... >> >> Are there any utilities available (for FreeBSD or dos/windows) which can >> be >> fed raw packet data and interpret the commands that were issued? >> What I'd like to see is the command issued to generate a packet such as: >> [soh]0 Iz @-Y1~@ 5T7[cr] >> (and many, many others) > > I am unaware of any external Kermit packet trace debugging tools. > If you are using C-Kermit, you can log debug to obtain everything > C-Kermit knows about the packet processing. I will be using c-kermit for a client but the commands I'm currently trying to interpret are embedded in utilities which establish a serial connection to a closed system (for purpose of data retrieval). Unfortunately, the source is not available and the utilities run on the wrong OS... therefore I currently have to run the utilities on 1 OS to retrieve data, but then transfer data to another server for processing. I'd like to use c-kermit on the processing machine to script the entire process so that it may be automated and bypass the need for the utilities completely. With a data-scope I'm able to see the packets going back and forth, which is why I asked a second question about the lineout command (unaswered question follows): >> If I were to use the 'lineout' command to output my own 'packet' (i.e., >> header/length/seq/type/data/cksum) would it be interpretted >> properly on the other side and be handled accordingly? (assume a properly >> formatted packet with a valid command type and data segment) If the answer to that question is yes, the next question is: how can the lineout command be used to transfer (packet data) commands from a disk file? Thanks for the quick response previously :-) Mark From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Jul 19 16:43:09 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tool to interpret packets? and Qs about lineout! Date: 19 Jul 2005 20:42:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1121805747 29939 128.59.59.56 (19 Jul 2005 20:42:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2005 20:42:27 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15372 On 2005-07-19, Mark wrote: : "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message : news:H7WBe.1111$Na6.495200@twister.nyc.rr.com... :>> Are there any utilities available (for FreeBSD or dos/windows) which can :>> be fed raw packet data and interpret the commands that were issued? :>> What I'd like to see is the command issued to generate a packet such as: :>> [soh]0 Iz @-Y1~@ 5T7[cr] :>> (and many, many others) : You should be able to find a copy of the original Kermit book: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html#ktb (which went out of print a couple years ago) in a library. It contains a specification of the protocol and packet formats. There have been some changes since then, but nothing to invalidate what's in the book, at least not as far as packet format and types are concerned. I'm not sure what you mean by "commands". If a command such as "send *.zip" was given, it could result in hundreds, thousands, or millions of packets, of various types. : I will be using c-kermit for a client but the commands I'm currently : trying to interpret are embedded in utilities which establish a : serial connection to a closed system (for purpose of data retrieval). : Unfortunately, the source is not available and the utilities run on : the wrong OS... therefore I currently have to run the utilities on 1 OS : to retrieve data, but then transfer data to another server for processing. : I'd like to use c-kermit on the processing machine to script the entire : process so that it may be automated and bypass the need for the : utilities completely. : You should be able to do that. : With a data-scope I'm able to see the packets going back and forth, : which is why I asked a second question about the lineout command : (unaswered question follows): :>> If I were to use the 'lineout' command to output my own 'packet' (i.e., :>> header/length/seq/type/data/cksum) would it be interpretted :>> properly on the other side and be handled accordingly? (assume a properly :>> formatted packet with a valid command type and data segment) : Yes, it is possible to implement the Kermit protocol itself in a Kermit script, but I'm not aware of anyone actually having done it. You can see a trivial example (not the whole protocol, but the use of INPUT and OUTPUT commands to receive and send a few packets) here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#protocol And something similar, a complete implementation of TAP, the alpha pager protocol which uses packets similar to Kermit's, here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#page : If the answer to that question is yes, the next question is: : how can the lineout command be used to transfer (packet data) commands : from a disk file? : Use FOPEN to open the disk file, FREAD to read data from it into variables, use LINEOUT to send the contents of the variables. Brief example: fopen /read \%c foo.bar if fail blah blah ... fread \%c line if fail blah blah lineout \m(line) ... fclose \%c But if this is Kermit protocol then you can't just send the data bare, you have to encapsulate it in a packet and "encode" it according to the negotiated options. Ditto for incoming data. I don't understand enough about your setup to comment further. But if the black box is executing Kermit protocol in a standard enough way that you can communicate with it with C-Kermit, then the task might be simpler than it appears at the moment. - Frank From amtekdesign@gmail.com Thu Jul 28 10:37:34 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Redial on No Dialtone Date: 27 Jul 2005 16:43:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1122507809.564246.163530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.11.65.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1122507815 31949 127.0.0.1 (27 Jul 2005 23:43:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:43:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=72.11.65.66; posting-account=tgxbug0AAACxC6q49buZi6KZ88EzKaXG Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15373 It appears that by default, redialing occurs for dial failures such as BUSY or NO CARRIER, but the dialer aborts on the first NO DIALTONE error. Is it possible to configure Kermit to redial on NO DIALTONE? I'm using SET DIAL RETRIES 5 DIAL \m(name) IF FAIL DIAL \m(name) which will force a second attempt on NO DIALTONE, and gives me 10 retries on a persistent BUSY/NO CARRIER, but is there a better way? Is there a status variable I can test that tells me why the DIAL command failed? I'm running Kermit 95 2.1 under WinXP/SP2. Thanks. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Jul 28 11:01:26 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Redial on No Dialtone Date: 28 Jul 2005 14:37:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <1122507809.564246.163530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1122561449 4430 128.59.59.56 (28 Jul 2005 14:37:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 2005 14:37:29 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15374 On 2005-07-27, Allen wrote: : It appears that by default, redialing occurs for dial failures such as : BUSY or NO CARRIER, but the dialer aborts on the first NO DIALTONE : error. Is it possible to configure Kermit to redial on NO DIALTONE? : Not to redial automatically. : I'm using : SET DIAL RETRIES 5 : DIAL \m(name) : IF FAIL DIAL \m(name) : : which will force a second attempt on NO DIALTONE, and gives me 10 : retries on a persistent BUSY/NO CARRIER, but is there a better way? : : Is there a status variable I can test that tells me why the DIAL : command failed? : Kermit has lots of built-in variables. You can see what they are by giving the command SHOW VARIABLES. Among them are: \v(dialcount) = 0 \v(dialnumber) = \v(dialresult) = \v(dialstatus) = -1 \v(dialsuffix) = \v(dialtype) = -1 \v(dialstatus) is the one you're looking for. The values are shown in Table 5-3 on page 116 of "Using C-Kermit". A value of 24 corresponds to NO DIALTONE. You can also use the \v(dialresult) variable to retrieve the actual message from the modem. So if you want to treat NO DIALTONE as a recoverable error, you can do something like this (I didn't test it): .\%n = 5 while > \%n 0 { set dial retries \%n dial \m(name) if success break if != \v(dialresult) 24 break decrement \%n \v(dialcount) } if < \v(cx_status) 1 stop 1 Call failed: \v(name) The \v(cx_status) variable is positive if there is an active connection. - Frank From amtekdesign@gmail.com Fri Jul 29 09:47:57 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Redial on No Dialtone Date: 28 Jul 2005 12:56:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1122580618.707495.212770@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1122507809.564246.163530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.117.1.218 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1122580624 16433 127.0.0.1 (28 Jul 2005 19:57:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:57:04 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=71.117.1.218; posting-account=tgxbug0AAACxC6q49buZi6KZ88EzKaXG Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15375 Thanks Frank; that's what I needed. From d_linvil@bellsouth.net Wed Aug 17 10:11:19 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Patricia" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lucent Modem not responding Date: 16 Aug 2005 11:03:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1124215406.262077.43900@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.7.92.232 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1124215410 1459 127.0.0.1 (16 Aug 2005 18:03:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:03:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.7.92.232; posting-account=tCZ9pQ0AAADIDux4SPPjvFfqCQhlp62X Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15376 I have a fresh install of Red Hat FC2 and a Lucent LTmodem . I finally figured out how to configure kermit and now I am getting a error saying the CTS Signal is off. What am I doing wrong or how can I fix this to get my PC on the internet ? Thanks in advance Patricia From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Aug 17 10:17:53 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lucent Modem not responding Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:17:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <1124215406.262077.43900@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1124288257 1674 128.59.59.56 (17 Aug 2005 14:17:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:17:37 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15379 On 2005-08-16, Patricia wrote: : I have a fresh install of Red Hat FC2 and a Lucent LTmodem . I finally : figured out how to configure kermit and now I am getting a error saying : the CTS Signal is off. What am I doing wrong or how can I fix this to : get my PC on the internet ? : One doesn't usually use Kermit to get one's PC on the Internet, unless it's to a shell account. For GUI access, you would use your PPP dialer. See (for example): http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialPPP.html I'm not sure what a Tmodem is, but I suspect it's another "winmodem". See: http://www.linmodems.org/ : Thanks in advance : Patricia - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 10:18:01 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Brace Style Affects Variable Expansion by ECHO Date: 16 Aug 2005 12:10:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 53 Message-ID: <1124219455.123578.246130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1123635685.649422.152630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1124219460 25608 127.0.0.1 (16 Aug 2005 19:11:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:11:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15377 Allen wrote: > While experimenting with different brace styles, I ran across a > situation in which variables used within an ECHO string were not being > expanded. > > The following test script, > .\%j = 3 > for \%i 0 5 1 { > IF < \%i \%j { ECHO \%i is less than \%j on \v(ndate)} > ELSE { ECHO \%i is not less than \%j on \v(ndate)} > } > > produces this output: > [C:\temp\] K-95> take test1.ksc > 0 is less than 3 on 20050809 > 1 is less than 3 on 20050809 > 2 is less than 3 on 20050809 > \%i is not less than \%j on \v(ndate) > \%i is not less than \%j on \v(ndate) > \%i is not less than \%j on \v(ndate) > > However if I just remove the braces in the ELSE statement, > .\%j = 3 > for \%i 0 5 1 { > IF < \%i \%j { ECHO \%i is less than \%j on \v(ndate)} > ELSE ECHO \%i is not less than \%j on \v(ndate) > } > > the script behaves as one would expect: > [C:\temp\] K-95> take test2.ksc > 0 is less than 3 on 20050809 > 1 is less than 3 on 20050809 > 2 is less than 3 on 20050809 > 3 is not less than 3 on 20050809 > 4 is not less than 3 on 20050809 > 5 is not less than 3 on 20050809 This is one manifestation of a larger problem that has existed for quite some time. The problem was concidentally just fixed (on Aug 11) in the C-Kermit source as part of another fix. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html > I'm running Kermit 95 2.1.3, 1 Jan 2003 under Windows XP SP 2. The fix has not yet made it into a Kermit 95 release. When a K-95 update is released, the fix will be there too. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Wed Aug 17 10:18:07 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Brace Style Affects Variable Expansion by ECHO References: <1123635685.649422.152630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1124219455.123578.246130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1124219455.123578.246130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:11:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1124280676 68.175.91.105 (Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:11:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:11:16 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15378 Mark Sapiro wrote: >>I'm running Kermit 95 2.1.3, 1 Jan 2003 under Windows XP SP 2. > > > The fix has not yet made it into a Kermit 95 release. When a K-95 > update is released, the fix will be there too. This fix is available today as part of the custom Kermit 95 builds that are available to Kermit 95 registered users from Secure Endpoints Inc. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html#k95 Jeffrey Altman From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 11:16:07 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit client, Kermit-95 server, REMOTE DIRECTORY Date: 23 Aug 2005 21:22:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1124857373.055933.208350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1124857378 21014 127.0.0.1 (24 Aug 2005 04:22:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:22:58 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15380 Brian Hetrick wrote: > This is certainly pilot error, but I'm at a loss. I'm not convinced it is pilot error. At least I don't what commands would "fix" it. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patch level 9 talking to Kermit-95+ 2.1.2. > Kermit-95 has been given SERVER, MS-DOS Kermit has been given REMOTE > DIRECTORY. The directory listing displayed has line feeds rather than > carriage return-line feed pairs separating entries, and so is very > difficult to read. 115.2Kbps, 8N1, all control characters prefixed. I've tried various combinations with MS-Kermit 3.14 patch level 9, MS-Kermit 3.16 and Kermit 95 2.1.3 as client and Kermit 95 2.1.3, C-Kermit 6.0.192 and C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.01 as server - all over dial-up modem connections, but I think the results would be the same over TCP/IP. The only combinations that exhibit the problem are the MS-Kermit clients and the Kermit-95 server. I made packet logs with the MS-Kermit 3.16 client and Kermit-95 and C-Kermit servers. The issue seems to be that the K-95 server sends the listing with only "#J" (prefixed line-feed) as a line terminator whereas C-Kermit sends the listing with "#M#J" (prefixed CR-LF) as the line terminator. If K-95 is the client, it understands the "#J" as a new-line and displays the listing correctly whereas MS-Kermit displays the "#J" as a line-feed only so the listing is "horizontally scrolled". This appears to be a limitation on using MS-Kermit as a client with K-95 as a server although I don't really know why there should be a difference between K-95 and C-Kermit in this respect, but there clearly is. Maybe there is some magic switch after all. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com.INVALID Thu Aug 25 11:20:54 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:09:26 -0500 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit across windows networks Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:11:19 +0100 Message-ID: <430c240b.2267953@giganews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-TliHufJPCvZ5tLRuxdV+P0zUv8BTD781W+miCnpRXyFgxIyJwaqxuDxeN0JnWsMPzypEKcRSeVeVoN0!DDr7GauDrM8zCyANvdL+MLBRVmJB878bBWePSUnPyC8BJNxBmUvqYYWXokLXBMI5d+qRe5azedvc!NgQh3Rahy+PjQ24= X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15381 Hi, We use kermit (95 and C-) exclusively across serial and modem connections at the moment. Can you point me to some sample scripts or tutorials on using kermit to work transferring files on a TCP/IP / NETBIOS network. Thanks -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 11:21:05 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit across windows networks Date: 24 Aug 2005 18:38:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1124933937.724359.250970@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <430c240b.2267953@giganews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1124933943 20631 127.0.0.1 (25 Aug 2005 01:39:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:39:03 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <430c240b.2267953@giganews.nildram.co.uk> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15384 Rob S wrote: > > We use kermit (95 and C-) exclusively across serial and modem connections at the > moment. Can you point me to some sample scripts or tutorials on using kermit to > work transferring files on a TCP/IP / NETBIOS network. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html and http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/studies.html -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Thu Aug 25 11:21:53 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!130.81.64.211.MISMATCH!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit client, Kermit-95 server, REMOTE DIRECTORY References: <1124857373.055933.208350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1124857373.055933.208350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Message-ID: <5r2Pe.3621$x43.1425003@twister.nyc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:49:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1124905793 68.175.91.105 (Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:49:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:49:53 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15382 Mark Sapiro wrote: > I made packet logs with the MS-Kermit 3.16 client and Kermit-95 and > C-Kermit servers. > > The issue seems to be that the K-95 server sends the listing with only > "#J" (prefixed line-feed) as a line terminator whereas C-Kermit sends > the listing with "#M#J" (prefixed CR-LF) as the line terminator. If > K-95 is the client, it understands the "#J" as a new-line and displays > the listing correctly whereas MS-Kermit displays the "#J" as a > line-feed only so the listing is "horizontally scrolled". > > This appears to be a limitation on using MS-Kermit as a client with > K-95 as a server although I don't really know why there should be a > difference between K-95 and C-Kermit in this respect, but there clearly > is. Maybe there is some magic switch after all. There is no magic switch. The output comes from the ckcfns.c nxtdir() function and it clearly outputs everything with only a "\n" as the terminator. This is true for C-Kermit and Kermit 95. Now in the case of MS-DOS Kermit connected to C-Kermit via a tty, the pseudoterminal may expand the LF into CR-LF. This is not the result of anything that C-Kermit is doing. If you were to connect MS-DOS Kermit to C-Kermit over a raw connection, you would see the same behavior. In the case of MS-DOS Kermit to Kermit over TCP/IP, you may very well see different behavior because the newline in NVT mode would be converted to CR-LF. It is only over a serial connection that you would see the raw LF. If someone is interested in a build of Kermit 95 that performs this expansion, they can read the information available at http://www.columbia.edu/~jaltman/ and hire me to make the change. Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 11:28:16 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit client, Kermit-95 server, REMOTE DIRECTORY Date: 24 Aug 2005 19:01:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 72 Message-ID: <1124934899.299728.17060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1124857373.055933.208350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <5r2Pe.3621$x43.1425003@twister.nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1124935302 22408 127.0.0.1 (25 Aug 2005 02:01:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:01:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15383 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > There is no magic switch. The output comes from the ckcfns.c nxtdir() > function and it clearly outputs everything with only a "\n" as the > terminator. This is true for C-Kermit and Kermit 95. Now in the case > of MS-DOS Kermit connected to C-Kermit via a tty, the pseudoterminal > may expand the LF into CR-LF. This is not the result of anything that > C-Kermit is doing. If you were to connect MS-DOS Kermit to C-Kermit > over a raw connection, you would see the same behavior. If this is all there is to it, perhaps you can explain the following packet log captured by MS-Kermit 3.16 connected as client to C-Kermit. Since the linefeeds are escaped as "#J" in the Kermit Packets, it seems clear to me that the pseudoterminal is not changing them to "#M#J", so what is? I seems to me it must be C-Kermit since C-Kermit is the one creating and ckecksumming these packets and if anything else were changing their contents, the checksums wouldn't be correct. Spack: ^A7 I~( @-#Y3~^!5% ___D!0M^M Rpack: ^A9 Y~/ @-#Y3~^#J)0___O"U1@3^M Spack: ^A% GD S^M Rpack: ^A9 S~/ @-#Y3~^#J)0___M"U1@+^M Spack: ^A7 Y~( @-#Y3~^#5% ___D!0_^M Rpack: ^A2!XDIRECTORY ./*.XN^M Spack: ^A)!Y CON(]B^M Rpack: ^AF"A."U1"#AMJ*!A#120050823 20:36:40@ $#/^M Spack: ^A%"Y.5!^M Rpack: ^A #D"NZ-rw-r--r--~( 28 1997-12-02 16:25:14 -#M#J-rw-r--r--~& 1032 2002-10-10 09:03:22 Directions#M#J-rw~'-~' 702 1996-03-03 16: 07:28 Happy_Birthday#M#Jdrwx~&-~( 96 2004-07-27 17:31:28 Mail#M#J-r w-r--r--~( 48 2~#0-01-01 09:19:21 Mi&PF^M Spack: ^A%#Y/R9^M Rpack: ^A $D"N[llenium#M#J-rw-r--r--~' 643 1997-11-24 15:16:06 addre ss#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x~& 1024 2005-02-20 09:17:46 bin#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x~( 11 2005-06-04 17:05:21 bm -> public_html#M#J-rw~'-~& 8917 1996-08-20 17 :01:33 engr#M#J-rw-r--r--~& ~#62 200+:!^M Spack: ^A%$Y+&1^M Rpack: ^A %D"N\5-08-16 10:58:47 iftest#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x~& 3072 2005-08- 20 16:19:47 k#M#J-rwxr-xr-x~' 506 2005-08-16 11:43:35 kt1#M#J-rw-r- -r--~' 876 2005-08-16 11:46:13 kt2#M#J-rw-r--r--~' 700 2005-08-16 1 1:48:56 kt3#M#J-rw-r--r--~& 1354 200,H7^M Spack: ^A%%Y*A)^M Rpack: ^A &D%%75-08-16 11:59:28 kt4#M#J-rw-r--r--~' 757 1998-04-20 1 2:54:57 lynx_bookmarks.html#M#Jdrwx~&-~& 1024 2004-11-03 19:22:03 m ail#M#J-rw-r--r--~& 1061 1997-10-02 20:02:05 map#M#J-rw~'-~& 2467 1 996-06-22 07:39:32 maps#M#J-rw-r--r--~& 1884 2005-04-21 09:33:57 me ss#M#J-rw~'-~% 13462 1996-07-25 12:40:35 nerd#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x~& 2048 2005-06-04 17:05:21 public_html#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x~( 96 2004-02-29 16:52: 51 slirp#M#J-rw~'-~& 4547 1996-10-16 07:59:54 stretching#M#J-rw-r-- r-,3]^M Spack: ^A%&Y((A^M Rpack: ^A 'D#IZ-~& 1401 2~#0-06-11 12:07:17 supertour_all#M#J-rw-r-- r--~& 2356 2004-09-05 18:44:14 t0#M#J-rw-r--r--~& 2355 2004-09-05 1 8:45:49 t1#M#J-rw~'-~& 2402 1996-06-30 09:31:05 toast#M#J-rw-r--r-- ~& 1038 2004-06-15 15:38:50 z1#M#J-rw-r--r--~& 1374 2004-06-15 16:0 6:17 z2#M#J-rw-r--r--~' 773 2005-08-21 16:06:16 ~$z#M#J$J_^M Spack: ^A%'Y)OY^M Rpack: ^A 'D#IZ-~& 1401 2~#0-06-11 12:07:17 supertour_all#M#J-rw-r-- r--~& 2356 2004-09-05 18:44:14 t0#M#J-rw-r--r--~& 2355 2004-09-05 1 8:45:49 t1#M#J-rw~'-~& 2402 1996-06-30 09:31:05 toast#M#J-rw-r--r-- ~& 1038 2004-06-15 15:38:50 z1#M#J-rw-r--r--~& 1374 2004-06-15 16:0 6:17 z2#M#J-rw-r--r--~' 773 2005-08-21 16:06:16 ~$z#M#J$J_^M Spack: ^A%'Y)OY^M Rpack: ^A%(Z"JJ^M Spack: ^A%(Y!@Q^M Rpack: ^A%)B*^[^M Spack: ^A%)Y 'I^M -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Aug 25 11:33:36 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit client, Kermit-95 server, REMOTE DIRECTORY Date: 25 Aug 2005 15:27:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <1124857373.055933.208350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <5r2Pe.3621$x43.1425003@twister.nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1124983643 17553 128.59.59.56 (25 Aug 2005 15:27:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 2005 15:27:23 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15386 On 2005-08-24, Jeffrey Altman wrote: :> This appears to be a limitation on using MS-Kermit as a client with :> K-95 as a server although I don't really know why there should be a :> difference between K-95 and C-Kermit in this respect, but there clearly :> is. Maybe there is some magic switch after all. : : There is no magic switch. The output comes from the ckcfns.c nxtdir() : function and it clearly outputs everything with only a "\n" as the : terminator. This is true for C-Kermit and Kermit 95. : This is a mistake. When Kermit is sending data using Kermit protocol in text mode, it is supposed to use CRLF as the line terminator. I'll fix this in C-Kermit, but the fix won't appear in K95 until the next release happens, about which see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html In the meantime, K95 fixes are available only directly from Jeff. For those who haven't noticed, there has been some progress on C-Kermit in the last couple months. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html Check this page every soften for new builds. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Aug 25 11:33:40 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit client, Kermit-95 server, REMOTE DIRECTORY Date: 25 Aug 2005 15:33:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <1124857373.055933.208350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <5r2Pe.3621$x43.1425003@twister.nyc.rr.com> <1124934899.299728.17060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1124984003 17553 128.59.59.56 (25 Aug 2005 15:33:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 2005 15:33:23 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15387 On 2005-08-25, Mark Sapiro wrote: : ... : If this is all there is to it, perhaps you can explain the following : packet log captured by MS-Kermit 3.16 connected as client to C-Kermit. : Since the linefeeds are escaped as "#J" in the Kermit Packets, it seems : clear to me that the pseudoterminal is not changing them to "#M#J", so : what is? I seems to me it must be C-Kermit since C-Kermit is the one : creating and ckecksumming these packets and if anything else were : changing their contents, the checksums wouldn't be correct. : : Spack: ^A% GD S^M : ... : Rpack: ^A2!XDIRECTORY ./*.XN^M : Spack: ^A)!Y CON(]B^M : Rpack: ^AF"A."U1"#AMJ*!A#120050823 20:36:40@ $#/^M : Spack: ^A%"Y.5!^M : Rpack: ^A #D"NZ-rw-r--r--~( 28 1997-12-02 16:25:14 -#M#J-rw-r--r--~& : 1032 2002-10-10 09:03:22 Directions#M#J-rw~'-~' 702 1996-03-03 16: : 07:28 Happy_Birthday#M#Jdrwx~&-~( 96 2004-07-27 17:31:28 Mail#M#J-r : w-r--r--~( 48 2~#0-01-01 09:19:21 Mi&PF^M : ... I have no clue but I'll look into it. I ran packet logs myself and I get only #J without #M, in both directions, between C-Kermit and K95. Anyway I'm surprised this phonomenon was never noticed before. - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 12:04:37 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!guardian.oit.duke.edu!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit client, Kermit-95 server, REMOTE DIRECTORY Date: 25 Aug 2005 18:05:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1125018326.760668.126550@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1124857373.055933.208350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <5r2Pe.3621$x43.1425003@twister.nyc.rr.com> <1124934899.299728.17060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1125018332 7083 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2005 01:05:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:05:32 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15388 Frank da Cruz wrote: > I have no clue but I'll look into it. I ran packet logs myself and I get > only #J without #M, in both directions, between C-Kermit and K95. Anyway > I'm surprised this phonomenon was never noticed before. Just to be clear on what we're talking about here, I've run some tests with MS-Kermit, K-95 and C-Kermit as clients and K-95 and C-Kermit as servers. The only problem case seems to be a dialed modem connection with MS-Kermit as client and K-95 as server. In the other cases I tried, the client and server seem to be able to negotiate what they need from each other. Note that I did NOT test MS-Kermit client and K-95 server over tcp/ip. Based on clues from Jeff and Frank in this thread, I did try giving rem set file type text set file type text rem dir from MS-Kermit with a K-95 server, but this didn't help. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Aug 26 13:21:52 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Some K95 hints Date: 26 Aug 2005 17:07:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 98 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1125076058 21276 128.59.59.56 (26 Aug 2005 17:07:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2005 17:07:38 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15389 I still try to do all my work except maybe web browsing and image processing in Unix shell sessions through K95, for all the reasons explained in this (now somewhat dated) document: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/safe.html and also because I simply prefer typing to using a mouse. Recently I've been doing more and more work in languages other than English, where I need to type accented letters, etc, and of course also view them on the screen, e.g. in incoming e-mail. Well in the modern age, in which all the hard-fought standards have flown out the Window, I've had to switch from Latin-1 as my normal character set to CP1252, in order to keep my terminal emulator from getting wedged hundreds of times a day by "smart quotes" and other atrocities stuffed into the C1 control area. Sad to say, ISO 8859-1 and the other ISO Latin alphabets are next to useless now in the terminal-host environment because of Microsoft code page pollution. (It's fine that companies have their own proprietary code pages, but these should not be used for interchange on the open network, but too bad, it's already happened; the Internet is full of this stuff, and to make matters worse, as often as not it's labeled as ISO-8859-x.) This, in turn, makes the Kermit's emulation of DEC VT220 and VT320 terminals problematic, because they were designed to use the 8-bit C1 controls of ISO 6449 and hosts that know about these terminals can and sometimes do use those controls (VMS in particular). This is especially unfortunate since K95's default terminal emulation is VT320. New users will often find their very first terminal session going crazy, which does not leave a very good first impression. To make matters still worse, Sun seems to have deleted VT320 from its list of known terminal types in terminfo. Thus the instant someone makes a connection to Solaris 9 or later, they get messages like: emacs: Terminal type vt320 is not defined. If that is not the actual type of terminal you have, use the Bourne shell command `TERM=... export TERM' (C-shell: `setenv TERM ...') to specify the correct type. It may be necessary to do `unset TERMINFO' (C-shell: `unsetenv TERMINFO') as well. In which case a switch to VT220 is in order, since Solaris still supports that one and from the standpoint of Unix/curses usage, it's no different. We probably should make VT220 the default emulation in the next release. For typing accented characters, if you do it a lot and if you're a touch typist, Kermit's default Compose key (Alt-C) is a bit inconvenient. I've found that it's more convenient -- and even somewhat mnemonic -- to assign the Compose function to Ctrl-Apostrophe: set key \1502 \Kcompose Thus to type a-acute (á) you type Ctrl-', then a, then ', and the hands never leave the home keys. Of course you could also use the built-in Windows keyboard input methods but I find the dead keys annoying. Ctrl-' is a handy choice for an oft-used function because it's not a real character, and therefore has no other use, and it's reachable from the home position. There are a bunch of other keys like that, punctuation that does not turn into a valid Control character when used with the Ctrl key, including period, comma, slash, etc. So if reaching for the Alt key annoys you, put your most often used \Kverbs on these key combos, e.g.: set key \1470 \Kexit ; Terminal/command screen toggle on Ctrl-period Of course PC keyboards have their Ctrl keys in an awkward spot too, but not mine :-) http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/7674/print http://www.pckeyboard.com (Unicomp Linux 101 keyboard, highly recommended.) Finally, since I read email on the Unix host, I often find it necessary to download a message to my PC because it's in some hideous format known only to Windows. My Unix-based email client (mm) already knows how to download messages with Kermit, and of course K95 receives them automatically as soon as the transfer starts because of its autodownload feature. If you give the downloaded message a filename that ends with ".eml" and then you tell K95 to "run start xyz.eml" (the file that was just downloaded), then Windows automatically puts it into Outlook for you so you can see it (yes, there are risks, but you can manage them, e.g. by making WordPad your default .doc-file viewer, disabling macros in all Office components, not having a Windows-based mailbox or address book, etc). Anyway, in this context, it's handy to define a Kermit macro like: define start run start \v(filename) Then, every time you download a file (not just email, but anything Windows knows about), Windows will load it into its associated application for you if you just type "start" at the K-95> prompt. \v(filename) is the name of the file most recently downloaded. - Frank P.S. I realize the Latin-1/CP1252 dilemma is solved by Unicode, but UTF-8 is still not widely used or supported in most of the applications I use in text sessios to Unix and other hosts. From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Aug 28 11:48:43 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit progress Date: 28 Aug 2005 15:22:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1125242523 27736 128.59.59.56 (28 Aug 2005 15:22:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2005 15:22:03 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15390 There's a new "dialy upload" of C-Kermit in the usual place: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html For those who haven't been monitoring this page (which was dormant for about a year prior to mid-June), the major changes since 8.0.211 are: . New 64-bit builds for Solaris 9 and 10, Mac OS X 10.4. . 64-bit builds for other OS's on 64-bit hardware: Linux, FreeBSD, etc. . Ability to transfer long files in 64-bit builds only. . Implementation of client and server side of REMOTE MESSAGE. . New --unbuffered command-line option to force unbuffered stdout. . SET TERM LF-DISPLAY to handle hosts or services that send bare linefeeds. . Some new string-processing functions. . Improved IDLE-ACTION options . OpenSSL support added to Tru64 Unix . Ability to disable wildcard expansion (handy for tricky URLs). . HTTP support for NetBSD, BSDI. . Wildcard expansion automatically inhibited in HTTP GET. . Streamlined makefile targets for NetBSD, FreeBSD, and some others. . Fixed the bug with disconnected ELSE parts of IF statements. . Fixed the matching of [a-z] construct at beginning of a pattern. . Fixed date-time arithmetic across a year boundary. . Other bug fixes. Work is ongoing. Right now I'm concentrating on the 64-bit issues. Some platforms are problematic, like HP-UX 11i. And, surprisingly, VMS (it never even occurred to me to check before, but VMS C-Kermit on Alpha and IA64 is a 32-bit application; creation of a 64-bit version is apparently not a piece of cake!) Also I no longer have any access whatsover to AIX; if somebody can set me up with guest ID reachable by ssh or telnet, I can make some progress there. Long files are files whose sizes are too big to represent in 31 or 32 bits (depending on the OS): the cutoff is either 2GB or 4GB. The following versions of C-Kermit have been verified to successfully transfer long files: . DEC/Compaq/HP Tru64 Unix 4.0F and later; . Linux on IA64 and AMD x86_64 (should also work on Alpha, etc); . The 64-bit C-Kermit build on Mac OS X 10.4; . 64-bit C-Kermit builds on Solaris 9 and 10 on Sparc. Probably FreeBSD on 64-bit platforms too; I've already built it but it's not always possible to test this for lack of sufficient free disk space. Adapting 32-bit builds to handle long files is next on the list, but it's not going to be easy, since each OS has a different API for this, and also because Kermit has tons of its own variables for file sizes, offsets, byte counts, and whatnot, and the data types offered in "transitional APIs" are many and varied. - Frank From eravin@panix.com Thu Sep 1 09:40:28 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit progress Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1125431780 11527 166.84.1.5 (30 Aug 2005 19:56:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:56:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15391 >From somewhere in cyberspace, fdc@columbia.edu said: >There's a new "dialy upload" of C-Kermit in the usual place: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html > >For those who haven't been monitoring this page (which was dormant >for about a year prior to mid-June), the major changes since 8.0.211 are: [...] Not mentioned, but for which I'm thankful, is support on the Mac OS X platform for Kerberized telnet. Thanks! -- Ed Ravin | "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as | well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the eravin@ | streets, and to steal bread." panix.com | --Anatole France, Le Lys Rouge [1894] From nospam@lisse.NA Wed Sep 28 14:42:13 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uninett.no!news.eunet.no!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Eberhard Lisse Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit progress Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 19:10:30 +0100 Organization: For email replace nospam with my initials Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4319E716.3020107@lisse.NA> References: Reply-To: nospam@lisse.NA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 4wjJnP56mZywP2LEwp5TbQIVfBMtRIoDqoY8u0i987GuXcja+r X-Orig-Path: ac.lisse.NA!news User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050317 Thunderbird/1.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15392 Frank, is it possible, for example to generate a patchfile so I can just download that by cron and generate kermit daily :-)-O el Frank da Cruz wrote: > There's a new "dialy upload" of C-Kermit in the usual place: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html From rjrodrig@nyx.net Wed Sep 28 14:42:22 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!ash.uu.net!spool.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Robert Rodriguez Subject: C-Kermit progress Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Nyx net, The Spirit of the Night User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980105 (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.4 (sun4m)) Message-ID: <1127931969.688119@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!rjrodrig@nyx.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: 28 Sep 2005 18:26:09 GMT Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 X-Trace: 1127931969 24846 206.124.29.6 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15396 Looks like the new build worked fine on AIX 5.3 and SunOS 4.1.4, but I'm running into errors compiling it on NetBSD 2.0.2 and OpenBSD (current) on the VAX platform (actually the VAX emulators running under SIMH for windows). The errors I get are like this on both: O" "LIBS= -lcurses -lutil -lm" cc -DBSD44 -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DTCPSOCKET -DOPENBSD -DUSE_UU_LOCK -DFNFLO AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckcmai.c cc -DBSD44 -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DTCPSOCKET -DOPENBSD -DUSE_UU_LOCK -DFNFLO AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckclib.c cc -DBSD44 -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DTCPSOCKET -DOPENBSD -DUSE_UU_LOCK -DFNFLO AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckucmd.c cc -DBSD44 -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DTCPSOCKET -DOPENBSD -DUSE_UU_LOCK -DFNFLO AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckuusr.c cc -DBSD44 -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DTCPSOCKET -DOPENBSD -DUSE_UU_LOCK -DFNFLO AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckuus2.c cc -DBSD44 -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DTCPSOCKET -DOPENBSD -DUSE_UU_LOCK -DFNFLO AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckuus3.c cc -DBSD44 -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DTCPSOCKET -DOPENBSD -DUSE_UU_LOCK -DFNFLO AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckuus4.c cc -DBSD44 -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DTCPSOCKET -DOPENBSD -DUSE_UU_LOCK -DFNFLO AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckuus5.c cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 *** Error code 1 Stop in /tmp. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tmp (line 1773 of makefile). From tom.horsley@att.net Wed Sep 28 14:43:28 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!7d2d8a70!not-for-mail Sender: tom@CLOYD Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: no matching comp found: client zlib server none,zlib@openssh.com References: From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 7cc40cdaf678337d78a72f16b25be264 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1126662361 7cc40cdaf678337d78a72f16b25be264 (Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:46:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:46:01 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:46:01 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15393 >>no matching comp found: client zlib server none,zlib@openssh.com > >Found a fix: > >If I say "set ssh compression off" before trying to connect, I >can get logged in OK. Looks like something about the latest FC4 >openssh compression is different. Found a better fix: If I change the "Compression delayed" parameter in the new sshd_config file on my FC4 system back to the old setting of "Compression yes", then kermit 95 can connect with no problems even without turning off compression. -- >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | Free Software and Politics <<==+ From TomViolin@gmail.com Wed Sep 28 14:43:45 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "TomViolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet CPC Date: 24 Sep 2005 08:59:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1127577578.804284.270300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.166.82.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1127577584 5876 127.0.0.1 (24 Sep 2005 15:59:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:59:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.166.82.137; posting-account=7AqUSA0AAADnle6RJBl6QUzWhHYpRjWC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15394 I need to use Kermit to connect to a RFC2217-compliant CPC server (telnetcpcd to be exact) and I don't know how to invoke the CPC telnet option. Can anyone help me out here? Thanks. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Wed Sep 28 14:43:51 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet CPC References: <1127577578.804284.270300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1127577578.804284.270300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:18:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1127603896 68.175.91.105 (Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:18:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:18:16 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15395 TomViolin wrote: > I need to use Kermit to connect to a RFC2217-compliant CPC server > (telnetcpcd to be exact) and I don't know how to invoke the CPC telnet > option. Can anyone help me out here? > > Thanks. The Telnet Comm Port Control option is on by default. Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 14:43:56 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit progress Date: 28 Sep 2005 18:43:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <1127931969.688119@irys.nyx.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1127932980 13243 128.59.59.56 (28 Sep 2005 18:43:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Sep 2005 18:43:00 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15397 On 2005-09-28, Robert Rodriguez wrote: : Looks like the new build worked fine on AIX 5.3 and SunOS 4.1.4, but I'm : running into errors compiling it on NetBSD 2.0.2 and OpenBSD (current) : on the VAX platform (actually the VAX emulators running under SIMH for : windows). The errors I get are like this on both: : : ...AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckuus5.c : cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 : *** Error code 1 : Well, it builds OK on real NetBSD 2.0, and although I haven't tried it on the latest OpenBSD yet, I'd be surprised at any surprises, since OpenBSD has been one of the most reliable (i.e. unchanging) platforms. It looks like some kind of resource (virtual swap space? /tmp space?) was exhausted. Does it always happen in ckuus5.c? What happens if you run the make again? In this case it would start with ckuus5.c, perhaps with less resources allocated. - Frank From rjrodrig@nyx.net Mon Oct 3 14:42:08 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!chiapp19.algx.com!allegiance!nntp.abs.net!ash.uu.net!spool.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Robert Rodriguez Subject: Re: C-Kermit progress Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1127931969.688119@irys.nyx.net> Organization: Nyx net, The Spirit of the Night User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980105 (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.4 (sun4m)) Message-ID: <1127982374.692597@irys.nyx.net> Cache-Post-Path: irys.nyx.net!rjrodrig@nyx.nyx.net X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: 29 Sep 2005 08:26:14 GMT Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.29.6 X-Trace: 1127982374 22132 206.124.29.6 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15398 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2005-09-28, Robert Rodriguez wrote: > : Looks like the new build worked fine on AIX 5.3 and SunOS 4.1.4, but I'm > : running into errors compiling it on NetBSD 2.0.2 and OpenBSD (current) > : on the VAX platform (actually the VAX emulators running under SIMH for > : windows). The errors I get are like this on both: > : > : ...AT -DUSE_STRERROR -O -DKTARGET=\"openbsd\" -c ckuus5.c > : cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 > : *** Error code 1 > : > Well, it builds OK on real NetBSD 2.0, and although I haven't tried it on > the latest OpenBSD yet, I'd be surprised at any surprises, since OpenBSD has > been one of the most reliable (i.e. unchanging) platforms. It looks like > some kind of resource (virtual swap space? /tmp space?) was exhausted. Does > it always happen in ckuus5.c? > What happens if you run the make again? In this case it would start with > ckuus5.c, perhaps with less resources allocated. > - Frank It always fails on the ckuus5.c, even after a reboot. I tried increasing the emulator virtual memory size to 256meg, but it didn't help. Bob Rodriguez Also I tried building it on MVS Openedition with the POSIX option, but looks like there is no param.h or utmp.h header file, and it got errors looking for a timezone struct. Are there some other options I need to add? From tom.horsley@att.net Mon Oct 3 14:46:28 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!7d2d8a70!not-for-mail Sender: tom@CLOYD Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Weird behavior from Kermit 95 From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) Message-ID: Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 4dc88936ccfdc727edf57e0f525bebeb X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1128261478 4dc88936ccfdc727edf57e0f525bebeb (Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:57:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:57:58 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:57:58 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15399 Every once in a while, I see this happen when I try to exit from a Kermit 95 session that has been connected with ssh and had some local port forwarding setup (specifically I'm tunnelling an nxclient session through a firewall, making port 8022 on localhost look like the ssh daemon on the system inside the firewall where the nxserver lives - see www.nomachine.com if you want to know what nx is). I'll exit from the remote system, but kermit won't go away (as far as I know, there are no pending connections hanging around - I've told everyone who was using any forwared ports to exit first, but of course they may not have paid attention to me - you never know what apps are actually doing after their windows disappear :-). I'll click on the X on the titlebar to kill it by force. The window will disappear, then another one (blank) will pop up to replace it. I'll click on the X for that window, and yet another one will pop up to replace it, this one with a message about something like AcceptThreadInputError (but I can't recall the exact wording, and if I wait long enough - like the amount of time it took to type the first part of this message, it finally does go away :-). Obviously, a highly unimportant bug, since all I'm trying to do is exit anyway - there ins't any critical info to lose at this point. Just thought someone might like to know if any work ever manages to happen again on Kermit 95. Also a highly random bug - most of the time it doesn't happen, kermit just goes away when I exit). -- >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | Free Software and Politics <<==+ From eravin@panix.com Mon Oct 3 14:46:33 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Weird behavior from Kermit 95 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1128299008 12762 166.84.1.5 (3 Oct 2005 00:23:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:23:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15401 >From somewhere in cyberspace, dold@XReXXWeird.usenet.us.com said: >Thomas A. Horsley wrote: >> Every once in a while, I see this happen when I try to exit from a Kermit 95 >> session that has been connected with ssh and had some local port forwarding > >I have been on a couple of Linux systems that won't exit if there is a >background program running. Other OSs might warn that there is a >background process, but everything dies if you exit again. This happens to me with Linux boxes all the time if I have a root session and have restarted some daemon with "/etc/rc.d/init.d/blahd restart". The Linux rc.d scripts don't redirect stdin/stdout/stderr so when you log out, the ssh session stays up until those file descriptors get closed. Restarting the daemon with ">/dev/null 2>&1 >With Linux, it just hangs. This usually happens with a nohup that was left >behind intentionally. > >Users not running Kermit complain about the same thing. > >--- >Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 > -- Ed Ravin | "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as | well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the eravin@ | streets, and to steal bread." panix.com | --Anatole France, Le Lys Rouge [1894] From tom.horsley@att.net Mon Oct 3 14:46:37 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!7d2d8a70!not-for-mail Sender: tom@CLOYD Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Weird behavior from Kermit 95 References: From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 98b61ee2faee7939ed98ec4b83e17900 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1128299994 98b61ee2faee7939ed98ec4b83e17900 (Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:39:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:39:54 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:39:54 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15400 >>I have been on a couple of Linux systems that won't exit if there is a >>background program running... > >This happens to me with Linux boxes all the time if I have a root session Yea, I'm familiar with the hanging ssh if jobs are still running, but I was more worried about the odd behavior of a new kermit window popping back up to replace the one I just closed - at least on linux I can usually kill the ssh that is hung (I guess I can kill the k95g.exe that is hung too, but I have to go into task manager and do an "end process", the normal close button isn't good enough). -- >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | Free Software and Politics <<==+ From dold@XReXXWeird.usenet.us.com Mon Oct 3 14:46:40 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!nntp.abs.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!not-for-mail From: dold@XReXXWeird.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Weird behavior from Kermit 95 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 31 Sender: Clarence Dold Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: green.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1128307072 9283 192.160.13.49 (3 Oct 2005 02:37:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:37:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject User-Agent: tin/1.4.6-20020816 ("Aerials") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.20-30.7.legacysmp (i686)) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15402 Ed Ravin wrote: > Restarting the daemon with ">/dev/null 2>&1 the Linux startup scripts would be a better way to fix it. That's an interesting side thought. If I run a nohup, I redirect output, but not input. Maybe that's the hang. Lemme see... 132$ nohup sleep 500 > /dev/null < /dev/null & [1] 30912 green:~ 133$ exit Nope. That hangs... I forgot "2". 132$ nohup sleep 500 > /dev/null 2>&1 < /dev/null & [1] 30912 green:~ 133$ exit That exits. Good. Nothing to do with Kermit, though. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 12:14:32 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit progress Date: 3 Oct 2005 18:46:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <1127931969.688119@irys.nyx.net> <1127982374.692597@irys.nyx.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1128365178 16076 128.59.59.56 (3 Oct 2005 18:46:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2005 18:46:18 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15403 On 2005-09-29, Robert Rodriguez wrote: : It always fails on the ckuus5.c, even after a reboot. I tried : increasing the emulator virtual memory size to 256meg, but it didn't : help. : Then it's a "hard" resource limit that doesn't exit on real NetBSD. I don't know if the limit is in the emulated VAX or what. Anyway, you can find a lot of hints in documents like: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckccfg.html for trimming the size by trimming features and/or size of things. ckuus5.c is mainly taken up by the script language implementation. I'll bet if you did: make netbsd KFLAGS=-DNOSPL it would build. But it also wouldn't include the scripting features. : Also I tried building it on MVS Openedition with the POSIX option, but : looks like there is no param.h or utmp.h header file, and it got : errors looking for a timezone struct. Are there some other options I need : to add? : If I knew the answer to that I would have a makefile target. Usually the way this works is, somebody gives me access to the platform in question, I spend a few hours figuring it out, and then I put together the needed targed, along with any necessary source-code changes. - Frank From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 12:14:39 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Vim syntax file for Kermit scripts? Date: 10 Oct 2005 06:45:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1128951902.727100.251980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.166.82.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1128951908 8014 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 2005 13:45:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.166.82.137; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15404 Does anyone know if there exists a Vim syntax file for Kermit scripts (.ksc) ? Thanks! From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 12:19:06 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit as subsystem (via pipe) vs via pty? Date: 10 Oct 2005 07:08:44 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1128953324.213841.45430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.166.82.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1128953329 10129 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 2005 14:08:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:08:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.166.82.137; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15405 The page "Kermit File Transfer and Management as an SSH Subsystem" at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/skermit.html recommends doing Kermit over SSH by setting up Kermit as an SSH subsystem on the host and using SET HOST /PIPE to connect to the Kermit SSH subsystem. However, my host (an embedded device) only has the dropbear SSH daemon, and cannot be configured to support Kermit as a subsystem. However, I have found that using the following works just fine (from "2.7. Using C-Kermit with External Communication Programs" on the page http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html ) set host /pty ssh -e none user@host followed by scripting to take care of logging into the host and invoking Kermit as a server. Besides the work of creating the extra scripting, is there any serious drawbacks to this approach, versus the subsystem setup? It seems solid to me, and frankly I really don't want to bother with getting OpenSSH working on my device just so I can run Kermit as a SSH subsystem, in light of this approach which seems to work just as well. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated! From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 12:19:12 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Vim syntax file for Kermit scripts? Date: 11 Oct 2005 16:19:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <1128951902.727100.251980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1129047541 18433 128.59.59.56 (11 Oct 2005 16:19:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 2005 16:19:01 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15406 On 2005-10-10, tomviolin wrote: : Does anyone know if there exists a Vim syntax file for Kermit scripts : (.ksc) ? : No, there is only one scripting syntax, the one that's built in to Kermit and that is described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html People are always asking for Perl, Tcl, Python, VB and who knows what else, but Kermit is intended to be self-contained and consistent across many platforms, and across time and space. - Frank From john.hackett@icon-is.co.uk Sat Oct 15 11:44:21 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: John Hackett Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ftp mput /recursive problem.... Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:56:07 +0100 Lines: 83 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: iconinfo.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1129319766 402 80.177.168.155 (14 Oct 2005 19:56:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:56:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15407 I am quite new to kermit so I hope this is not a stupid questions but I've spend hours trying to get this to work.... I am trying to set up an automated backup from a Fedora3 server to a 500Gb LaCie drive over ethernet. There are about 30k files to transfer. I know both the server and the Lacie are OK as I have done the complete transfer with gFTP and all was OK. I had some problems initially which I solved as follows: set file stringspace 10000000 set file listsize 100000 set ftp filenames literal set term idle-timeout 100 set term idle-action output \32 With kermit I have a script which connects up; goes to the correct directories on each side and can transfers the files. However, when I go to the drive one of two things happens. (1) If I try "ftp mput /recursive /update * " the files appear to transfer. If I repeat it only the changed ones seem to be done again. But on the LaCie the files are invisible - I can't find them anywhere! (2) So I tried this instead: ftp mput /recursive /update /listfile:\m(filelist) - this tranfers all the files (I used find to generate a list of all the files (exc. directories). Now I thik all there files are there and visible but they ar enot in the correct directories! It looks as if kermit is descending but not ascending before creating a new directory. The listfile looks like this (but much longer!): icon/AdvMatters/www.johnhackett/northolt/construction/pictures/oct/DSC00699.jpg icon/AdvMatters/www.johnhackett/northolt/construction/pictures/oct/DSC00702.jpg icon/AdvMatters/www.johnhackett/northolt/construction/pictures/oct/DSC00700.jpg icon/AdvMatters/www.johnhackett/northolt/construction/pictures/oct/DSC00703.jpg icon/AdvMatters/www.johnhackett/northolt/construction/oct.htm icon/AdvMatters/Tender response proforma0LD.doc icon/AdvMatters/biog.doc icon/AdvMatters/preQual-response.sxw icon/AdvMatters/jmhcv_06.sxw icon/AdvMatters/jmhcv_06.doc icon/AdvMatters/adpendix_D_addenda.rtf icon/AdvMatters/AdvisoryMattersContract.doc icon/AdvMatters/Pre-Qualification2.sxw icon/AdvMatters/BECTa/notes.sxw icon/AdvMatters/BECTa/spec_LANs.sxw icon/AdvMatters/BECTa/diagrams.vsd icon/AdvMatters/BECTa/spec_LANs2.doc icon/AdvMatters/BECTa/diagrams_visio.sxd icon/AdvMatters/BECTa/Specifying LANs revision.doc icon/AdvMatters/BECTa/becta presentation.sxi icon/AdvMatters/BECTa/.DS_Store icon/AdvMatters/HTI Map and Directions.pdf icon/AdvMatters/Tender response proforma.doc .... icon/AdvMatters/Photo_Southampton/hammersmith_fulham/Construction/pictures/oct/DSC00673.jpg icon/AdvMatters/Photo_Southampton/hammersmith_fulham/Construction/pictures/oct/DSC00677.jpg icon/AdvMatters/Photo_Southampton/hammersmith_fulham/Construction/pictures/oct/DSC00711.jpg icon/AdvMatters/Photo_Southampton/hammersmith_fulham/Construction/pictures/oct/DSC00713.jpg icon/AdvMatters/Photo_Southampton/hammersmith_fulham/Construction/pictures/oct/DSC00669.jpg icon/AdvMatters/Photo_Southampton/hammersmith_fulham/Construction/oct.htm icon/archive/CarMilage00.xls icon/archive/.DS_Store icon/archive/icon_endoftaxyear.xls icon/archive/old_icon_site.zip icon/asset_050224.xls icon/becta/logo_colour.gif icon/becta/Technical Standards Workshop Session Notes.doc icon/becta/logo_2colour.gif icon/becta/presentations/07-jean-underwood.ppt icon/becta/presentations/04-Rob_Mortimer.ppt icon/becta/presentations/02-Mike_Atherton.ppt icon/becta/presentations/06-Malcolm-Corbett.ppt icon/becta/presentations/03-Gino_Bellavia.ppt icon/becta/presentations/01-steve_hogger.ppt Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. John. From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 11:54:49 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp mput /recursive problem.... Date: 15 Oct 2005 15:54:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1129391680 24072 128.59.59.56 (15 Oct 2005 15:54:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 2005 15:54:40 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15408 On 2005-10-14, John Hackett wrote: : I am quite new to kermit so I hope this is not a stupid questions but : I've spend hours trying to get this to work.... : : I am trying to set up an automated backup from a Fedora3 server to a : 500Gb LaCie drive over ethernet. There are about 30k files to transfer. : I know both the server and the Lacie are OK as I have done the : complete transfer with gFTP and all was OK. : Which version of Kermit are you using? The 8.0 series has gone through several releases, each of which added some features or fixed bugs in the ftp client. If you try the current development build: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html do you get the same result? : I had some problems initially which I solved as follows: : : set file stringspace 10000000 : set file listsize 100000 : set ftp filenames literal : set term idle-timeout 100 : set term idle-action output \32 : The "set term" commands have nothing to do with ftp connections. : With kermit I have a script which connects up; goes to the correct : directories on each side and can transfers the files. However, when I go : to the drive one of two things happens. : : (1) If I try "ftp mput /recursive /update * " the files appear to : transfer. If I repeat it only the changed ones seem to be done again. : But on the LaCie the files are invisible - I can't find them anywhere! : : (2) So I tried this instead: : : ftp mput /recursive /update /listfile:\m(filelist) - this tranfers all : the files (I used find to generate a list of all the files (exc. : directories). Now I thik all there files are there and visible but they : ar enot in the correct directories! It looks as if kermit is descending : but not ascending before creating a new directory. : There are some different variables to consider. First, the large number of files. Do the same things happen if you set up a similar scenario but with a much smaller number of files? Second, the recursion. It takes two to tango. How do we know the server is obeying all of Kermit's directives, or even supports them? From your description it sounds like it's possible that Kermit's CDUP command is not having any effect. Try it by hand, CD to some directory on this connection, and then see if CDUP brings you back up. Third, the update. This part seems to be working but you never know. Do you see the same problems if you omit the /UPDATE switch? Set up a test cases with a similar structure but a small number of files and then, using "set ftp debug on" to follow what occurs between Kermit and the server, see if you can home in on the problem. - Frank From john.hackett@icon-is.co.uk Sun Oct 16 12:18:03 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.hanau.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: John Hackett Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp mput /recursive problem.... Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:57:03 +0100 Lines: 186 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: iconinfo.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1129409823 243 80.177.168.155 (15 Oct 2005 20:57:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:57:03 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15409 Thanks for your reply. Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2005-10-14, John Hackett wrote: > : I am quite new to kermit so I hope this is not a stupid questions but > : I've spend hours trying to get this to work.... > : > : I am trying to set up an automated backup from a Fedora3 server to a > : 500Gb LaCie drive over ethernet. There are about 30k files to transfer. > : I know both the server and the Lacie are OK as I have done the > : complete transfer with gFTP and all was OK. > : > Which version of Kermit are you using? The 8.0 series has gone through > several releases, each of which added some features or fixed bugs in the > ftp client. If you try the current development build: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html > > do you get the same result? I was using 8.0.211. [Is this useful: 211-Features: MDTM REST STREAM SIZE 211 End Server does not support AUTH Server does not support LANG Server does not support MDTM Server does not support MLST Server does not support PBSZ Server does not support PROT Server supports REST Server does not support SIZE Server does not support TVFS Server does not support UTF8 ] I downloaded and installed the ckdaily.html and got exactly the same problem. [211-Features: MDTM REST STREAM SIZE 211 End Server does not support AUTH Server does not support LANG Server supports MDTM Server does not support MLST Server does not support PBSZ Server does not support PROT Server supports REST Server supports SIZE Server does not support TVFS Server does not support UTF8 ] It seems to be a very specific issue as when I went through the listfile and the files transferred the problem occurs in exactly the same place each time. > > : I had some problems initially which I solved as follows: > : > : set file stringspace 10000000 > : set file listsize 100000 > : set ftp filenames literal > : set term idle-timeout 100 > : set term idle-action output \32 > : > The "set term" commands have nothing to do with ftp connections. It seeed to fix an earlier prolem with timing out - but it may have been an 'artifact' of other attempts to solve it! > > : With kermit I have a script which connects up; goes to the correct > : directories on each side and can transfers the files. However, when I go > : to the drive one of two things happens. > : > : (1) If I try "ftp mput /recursive /update * " the files appear to > : transfer. If I repeat it only the changed ones seem to be done again. > : But on the LaCie the files are invisible - I can't find them anywhere! > : > : (2) So I tried this instead: > : > : ftp mput /recursive /update /listfile:\m(filelist) - this tranfers all > : the files (I used find to generate a list of all the files (exc. > : directories). Now I thik all there files are there and visible but they > : ar enot in the correct directories! It looks as if kermit is descending > : but not ascending before creating a new directory. > : > There are some different variables to consider. > > First, the large number of files. Do the same things happen if you set up > a similar scenario but with a much smaller number of files? No. I set up a smaller test with files in a tree and that worked fine. It also worked - as far as I can tell - on a much larger directory (2667 files) but fails on a larger one (8200 files). > > Second, the recursion. It takes two to tango. How do we know the server > is obeying all of Kermit's directives, or even supports them? From your > description it sounds like it's possible that Kermit's CDUP command is not > having any effect. Try it by hand, CD to some directory on this connection, > and then see if CDUP brings you back up. Yes CDUP works. > > Third, the update. This part seems to be working but you never know. Do you > see the same problems if you omit the /UPDATE switch? Same problem, same place. > > Set up a test cases with a similar structure but a small number of files > and then, using "set ftp debug on" to follow what occurs between Kermit and > the server, see if you can home in on the problem. > > - Frank It is hard to know how much detail to give. The files DO transfer. What happens is that the directory structure gets messed up so the expected number of files/directories at a particular level is not correct and you have to see where the files have been written. LISTFILE: profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/user1024.dbb profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/contactgroup256.dbb profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/call256.dbb profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/config.lck profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/chat512.dbb profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/chatmsg256.dbb profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/index2.dat ---ALL OK UP TO HERE --- This is where KERMIT misses a beat and creates dir "Real" under "Skype" instead if the directory above... profile/Application Data/Real/rnadmin/rnsystem.dat profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/Backup/iscomplete profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/TRACKS.DBF profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/PLAYTRAX.CDX profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/TRAKINFO.DBF profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/CD.DBF FROM DEBUG: HERE IS THE ERROR: 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/rnadmin" - Directory successfully created ... 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/RealPlayer" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/RealPlayer/db" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application ... And it remains a directory adrift: 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Recent" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/My Documents" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/My Documents/My Videos" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/My Documents/My Pictures" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/My Documents/My Pictures/2005-09-04" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/My Documents/My Skype Pictures" - Directory successfully created 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/My Documents/My Music" - Directory successfully created John. From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 12:26:04 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp mput /recursive problem.... Date: 16 Oct 2005 16:25:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 87 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1129479941 2606 128.59.59.56 (16 Oct 2005 16:25:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2005 16:25:41 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15410 On 2005-10-15, John Hackett wrote: : [Is this useful: : 211-Features: : MDTM : REST STREAM : SIZE : 211 End : Server does not support AUTH : Server does not support LANG : Server does not support MDTM : This means that if you want to update only those files that changed since last time, you can't do it because the server won't tell you a file's modification time. Wasn't this the whole point of your project? Can you get a better ftp server for the far end? : Server does not support MLST : Server does not support PBSZ : Server does not support PROT : Server supports REST : Server does not support SIZE : Server does not support TVFS : Server does not support UTF8 ] : : It seems to be a very specific issue as when I went through the listfile : and the files transferred the problem occurs in exactly the same place : each time. : :> First, the large number of files. Do the same things happen if you set up :> a similar scenario but with a much smaller number of files? : : No. I set up a smaller test with files in a tree and that worked fine. : It also worked - as far as I can tell - on a much larger directory (2667 : files) but fails on a larger one (8200 files). : So there is a number at which it begins to fail, but below which it does not fail? I wonder what the number is. Maybe a power of two (perhaps plus or minus one)? 4095, 4096, 4097, 8191, 8192, 8193? You've already increased Kermit's stringspace, does increasing it more make a difference? : It is hard to know how much detail to give. The files DO transfer. What : happens is that the directory structure gets messed up so the expected : number of files/directories at a particular level is not correct and you : have to see where the files have been written. : : LISTFILE: : : profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/user1024.dbb : profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/contactgroup256.dbb : profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/call256.dbb : profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/config.lck : profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/chat512.dbb : profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/chatmsg256.dbb : profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/index2.dat : : ---ALL OK UP TO HERE : : --- This is where KERMIT misses a beat and creates dir "Real" under : "Skype" instead if the directory above... : : profile/Application Data/Real/rnadmin/rnsystem.dat : profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/Backup/iscomplete : profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/TRACKS.DBF : profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/PLAYTRAX.CDX : profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/TRAKINFO.DBF : profile/Application Data/Real/RealPlayer/db/CD.DBF : : FROM DEBUG: : : HERE IS THE ERROR: : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real" - Directory : successfully created : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/rnadmin" - : Directory successfully created : ... : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/RealPlayer" - : Directory successfully created : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/RealPlayer/db" - : Directory successfully created : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application : ... : Well these are all messages from the server. Do you have the messages that Kermit sent to the server at this point? That would pin down the culprit. - Frank From john.hackett@icon-is.co.uk Mon Oct 17 14:22:04 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: John Hackett Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp mput /recursive problem.... Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:57:07 +0100 Lines: 168 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: iconinfo.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1129503428 15971 80.177.168.155 (16 Oct 2005 22:57:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:57:08 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15411 Frank, I tried a few more experiments. (1) the number of files is a red herring - I tried the same thing with another directory with only about 1800 files and it had the same problem - a directory being misplaced and the tree getting out of sync. (2) I used the same script between two fedora machines - same problem. So it is not an issue with the ftp server on the LaCie disk. Does kermit/Linux have a problem with 'unusual' filenames? Now I tend to make sure I use lowercase and no spaces but some of the old files have spaces and other characters - esp as some of them are from old (pre MacOS-X) Macintoshes. Could this be tripping it up? (Although none of these should be in the very large folder where I first saw the problem - these are the most important files as they are business documents!). FYI the files come from a variety of sources: Linux (Fedora2/3); PC (WinXP); MacOSX; and some older files from Windows and pre-MacOSX. Has anyone else seen this problem? Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2005-10-15, John Hackett wrote: > : [Is this useful: > : 211-Features: > : MDTM > : REST STREAM > : SIZE > : 211 End > : Server does not support AUTH > : Server does not support LANG > : Server does not support MDTM > : > This means that if you want to update only those files that changed > since last time, you can't do it because the server won't tell you a > file's modification time. Wasn't this the whole point of your project? > Can you get a better ftp server for the far end? Well, yes. But it does seem to work - at least when running it again only a few files are transferred and as far as I can tell they are the changed ones - also using the newest version or kermit I get: 211-Features: MDTM REST STREAM SIZE 211 End Server does not support AUTH Server does not support LANG Server supports MDTM Server does not support MLST Server does not support PBSZ Server does not support PROT Server supports REST Server supports SIZE Server does not support TVFS Server does not support UTF8 implying that the server DOES support MDTM so perhaps v8.0.211 is mis-reporting? > > : Server does not support MLST > : Server does not support PBSZ > : Server does not support PROT > : Server supports REST > : Server does not support SIZE > : Server does not support TVFS > : Server does not support UTF8 ] > : > So there is a number at which it begins to fail, but below which it does not > fail? I wonder what the number is. Maybe a power of two (perhaps plus or > minus one)? 4095, 4096, 4097, 8191, 8192, 8193? You've already increased > Kermit's stringspace, does increasing it more make a difference? I doubled the stringspace and it happened again in the same place - 632 files transferred OK. > : FROM DEBUG: > : > : HERE IS THE ERROR: > : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real" - Directory > : successfully created > : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/rnadmin" - > : Directory successfully created > : ... > : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/RealPlayer" - > : Directory successfully created > : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/RealPlayer/db" - > : Directory successfully created > : 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application > : ... > : > Well these are all messages from the server. Do you have the messages > that Kermit sent to the server at this point? That would pin down the > culprit. > > - Frank 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for chatmsg256.dbb 226 Transfer complete. : OK (0.016 sec, 57249 cps) PUT profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/index2.dat (binary) (416 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,6,8,94). ---> STOR index2.dat 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for index2.dat 226 Transfer complete. : OK (0.016 sec, 25999 cps) SAVED IN: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/ ---> CDUP 250 CDUP command successful NOW: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/ ---> CDUP 250 CDUP command successful NOW: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/ ---> CWD Real 550 Real: No such file or directory ---> MKD Real SO SHOULD BE: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Real (which would be correct) BUT: 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real" - Directory successfully created CREATED DIRECTORY Real ---> CWD Real 250 CWD command successful ---> CWD rnadmin 550 rnadmin: No such file or directory ---> MKD rnadmin 257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/rnadmin" - Directory successfully created CREATED DIRECTORY rnadmin ---> CWD rnadmin 250 CWD command successful PUT profile/Application Data/Real/rnadmin/rnsystem.dat (text) (887 bytes)---> TYPE A 200 Type set to A ---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,6,8,95). ---> STOR rnsystem.dat 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for rnsystem.dat 226 Transfer complete. : OK (0.017 sec, 52176 cps) THIS FILE SAVED TO: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real/rnamin/ ---> CDUP 250 CDUP command successful ---> CWD RealPlayer John. From john.hackett@icon-is.co.uk Mon Oct 17 14:23:13 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: John Hackett Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp mput /recursive problem.... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:02:09 +0100 Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <3ZL4f.2292$h25.38@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iconinfo.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1129554129 18572 80.177.168.155 (17 Oct 2005 13:02:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:02:09 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <3ZL4f.2292$h25.38@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15413 That was my first thought when I began this and had various conversations with Technical Support at LaCie: but then I ran the complete backup with gFTP against the LaCie and it worked fine. Also, I have run this Kermit script against both the LaCie and another Fedora3 server and both failed in the same way at the same point - which seems to suggest some problem with Kermit rather than the server. As this was really a second line of backup I think I may give up on this and try a different approach - As I already have an cron'd rsync running to give server -> backup I think I'll just mount the LaCie on the backup server and use rsync to it instead. A bit less flexible for what I originally bought the Lacie for but unless anyone has any other bright ideas..... Jeffrey Altman wrote: > John Hackett wrote: > ... > >>150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for chatmsg256.dbb >>226 Transfer complete. >>: OK (0.016 sec, 57249 cps) >> PUT profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/index2.dat (binary) (416 >>bytes)---> PASV >>227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,6,8,94). >>---> STOR index2.dat >>150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for index2.dat >>226 Transfer complete. >>: OK (0.016 sec, 25999 cps) >> >>SAVED IN: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/ >> >>---> CDUP >>250 CDUP command successful >> >>NOW: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/ >> >>---> CDUP >>250 CDUP command successful >> >>NOW: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/ >> >>---> CWD Real >>550 Real: No such file or directory >>---> MKD Real >> >>SO SHOULD BE: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Real (which would >>be correct) >> >>BUT: >> >>257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real" - Directory >>successfully created >>CREATED DIRECTORY Real >>---> CWD Real >>250 CWD command successful > > > Obviously this is a bug in the server. The server apparently does not > properly implement CDUP. It says it is successful but in fact it is not > changing directory. > > I suggest you try debugging this further from the server side. > > > Jeffrey Altman > Secure Endpoints Inc. > > John. From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 14:36:58 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp mput /recursive problem.... Date: 17 Oct 2005 18:36:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <3ZL4f.2292$h25.38@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1129574202 9762 128.59.59.56 (17 Oct 2005 18:36:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2005 18:36:42 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15414 On 2005-10-17, John Hackett wrote: : That was my first thought when I began this and had various : conversations with Technical Support at LaCie: but then I ran the : complete backup with gFTP against the LaCie and it worked fine. : Perhaps gFTP is issuing a different reportoire of commands to the server and doesn't tickle the server bug, assuming there is one. : Also, I : have run this Kermit script against both the LaCie and another Fedora3 : server and both failed in the same way at the same point - which seems : to suggest some problem with Kermit rather than the server. : Is it the same FTP server in both cases? : As this was really a second line of backup I think I may give up on this : and try a different approach - As I already have an cron'd rsync running : to give server -> backup I think I'll just mount the LaCie on the backup : server and use rsync to it instead. A bit less flexible for what I : originally bought the Lacie for but unless anyone has any other bright : ideas..... : Let's look at this transcript again: :>>SAVED IN: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/ :>>---> CDUP :>>250 CDUP command successful :>> :>>NOW: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/ :>>---> CDUP :>>250 CDUP command successful :>> :>>NOW: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/ :>>---> CWD Real :>>550 Real: No such file or directory :>>---> MKD Real : Kermit has CDUP'd to the server's directory: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/ and now asks to CD to the "Real" subdirectory of that directory. The server says there isn't one. But there is, right? So either one or more of the prior CDUP commands didn't actually work (even thought the server said they did, as Jeff said) or the server botched the CWD command, reporting the target directory did not exist when it did. The next bit shows that the former theory is the right one: :>>257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real" - Directory :>>successfully created :>>CREATED DIRECTORY Real :>>---> CWD Real :>>250 CWD command successful : The CDUP out of the Skype subdirectory was not successful, despite the server's status report, exactly what Jeff said, which is why the CWD command did not find the Real subdirectory and therefore Kermit had to ask the server to create one. If you can't change or fix the server, then I agree you'll have to give up on Kermit, but I don't think it's Kermit's fault. Conceivably I could have Kermit do a PWD after each CDUP to check that the server is not lying when it says it worked, but that would slow things down a lot on certain kinds of transfers. - Frank From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 14:44:41 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set timeout for HTTP transfers? Date: 16 Oct 2005 22:56:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1129528599.691472.17580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.166.82.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1129528605 10067 127.0.0.1 (17 Oct 2005 05:56:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:56:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.166.82.137; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15412 I have a Kermit data collection script that, among other things, retrieves a file via HTTP. I am having trouble with the HTTP GET command failing with a timeout every once in a while. The data I'm getting from the HTTP server isn't critical and so I'd like to set a short timeout on the HTTP GET operation so my whole data collection operation doesn't get held up waiting. How does one set the timeout for the HTTP GET operation? Thanks. From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 15:31:11 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set timeout for HTTP transfers? Date: 17 Oct 2005 19:09:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <1129528599.691472.17580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1129576161 10756 128.59.59.56 (17 Oct 2005 19:09:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2005 19:09:21 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15415 On 2005-10-17, tomviolin wrote: : I have a Kermit data collection script that, among other things, : retrieves a file via HTTP. I am having trouble with the HTTP GET : command failing with a timeout every once in a while. : : The data I'm getting from the HTTP server isn't critical and so I'd : like to set a short timeout on the HTTP GET operation so my whole data : collection operation doesn't get held up waiting. : : How does one set the timeout for the HTTP GET operation? : Right now, there's no way. Ditto for FTP, which has also been mentioned several times in this connection. It's easy enough (if rather tedious) to add alarm()/signal()/setjmp()/longjmp() for Unix, but it's not portable to the non-Unix platforms where the C-Kermit code must also run. Unlike most other non-portable constructions, the Unix alarm mechanism is structural. And it has to be added to each and every place where we are doing network i/o for HTTP (or FTP). In the case of HTTP, this would be in ckcnet.c, routines http_connect(), http_open(), http_close(), http_inc(), http_ttol(), http_get(), http_head(), etc etc, a big mess. Similarly for FTP. It's not impossible but it's a lot of work and a lot of risk for not a lot of gain compared with some other items on the to-do list. Another approach might be to add a generalized timer and trap feature to the Kermit command language, and then users could put timeouts around anything they wanted: set timer 5 http /array:&a get http://www.blah.com/index.html .http_status := \v(status) clear timer if (\m(http_status)) ... The problem there is, how does Kermit know what was going on that needs to be cleaned up if the timer goes off? Open connections and whatnot. Maybe it doesn't matter, maybe it's worth looking into. - Frank From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 09:00:41 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set timeout for HTTP transfers? Date: 17 Oct 2005 22:18:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1129612704.650310.8890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1129528599.691472.17580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.166.82.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1129612709 28248 127.0.0.1 (18 Oct 2005 05:18:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:18:29 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.166.82.137; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15416 Thanks for the detailed reply. What I'll probably do is run another process in parallel to get the HTTP data and record the result in a file, and then the Kermit script will just read it from the file. That way if the HTTP GET blocks, the other script will simply be collecting the most recently read data again, which is better than having the whole script hang. In case anyone is curious, I'm collecting atmospheric CO2 readings locally and grabbing weather data from another site to store in the same data record. If the weather data is delayed slightly it's no big deal, but the CO2 data, which is the whole point of the study, needs to be recorded several times a minute without fail. I'm still not quite sure why the HTTP GET is failing, I'm grabbing it from another server in the same building. But that's another whole issue I'll have to resolve later. From leont58@bellsouth.net Sun Oct 23 14:19:10 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "LT" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: passive mode need to ignore IP returned from server Date: 18 Oct 2005 11:20:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1129659643.312875.320010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.152.254 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1129659648 21402 127.0.0.1 (18 Oct 2005 18:20:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 ISA1HI Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=32.97.152.254; posting-account=AjtIhA0AAAD5aklwbwNtWm7dUDZPW_7Q Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15417 I am connecting to a server that has 2 IP addresses (external and internal LAN). The server is configured to return the LAN IP. When I open a ftp session, I can connect and login to the server. > ftp open 32.97.xxx.xxx 21 When I switch to passive mode and open a data connection, the server returns the LAN IP. > FTP RCVD [227 Entering Passive Mode (172,17,31,25,38,252)] ( IP = 172.17.31.25 , port = 38*256+252 = 9980 ) Then LAN IP (172.17.31.25) uses a private IP network range and is not reachable from the outside world, but all I really need is the port number (9980). How can I get kermit to use the port number (9980), but continue to use the server name/IP that I originally used to start the FTP session. I found another FTP client that recognizes that the IP address returned from the server is different than the original IP and switches the IP back to the correct address. Is there an option to do this in kermit? Thanks, LT From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Oct 23 14:19:16 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!informatik.uni-bremen.de!news.zfn.uni-bremen.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: passive mode need to ignore IP returned from server References: <1129659643.312875.320010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1129659643.312875.320010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:46:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1129668373 68.175.91.105 (Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:46:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:46:13 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15418 LT wrote: > I am connecting to a server that has 2 IP addresses (external and > internal LAN). The server is configured to return the LAN IP. > > When I open a ftp session, I can connect and login to the server. > > ftp open 32.97.xxx.xxx 21 > > When I switch to passive mode and open a data connection, the server > returns the LAN IP. > > FTP RCVD [227 Entering Passive Mode (172,17,31,25,38,252)] > ( IP = 172.17.31.25 , port = 38*256+252 = 9980 ) > > Then LAN IP (172.17.31.25) uses a private IP network range and is not > reachable from the outside world, but all I really need is the port > number (9980). > > How can I get kermit to use the port number (9980), but continue to use > the server name/IP that I originally used to start the FTP session. > > I found another FTP client that recognizes that the IP address returned > from the server is different than the original IP and switches the IP > back to the correct address. Is there an option > to do this in kermit? > > Thanks, LT That other FTP client would be broken. The idea in FTP is that there can be more than two parties to each file transfer. It is perfectly acceptable for the server to report an alternate address to have the file set to. In this case, the server should be programmed to send the correct IP address. If the server is multi-homed, then the server should detect the address that is bound to the socket associated with the command channel. If the connection is coming through a NAT, the server should support SOCKS and obtain the correct IP address from the NAT for the port that was opened. Now, C-Kermit could of course be hacked to behave the same way as the other client. The source code is publicly available. The source file you want to look at is ckcftp.c Jeffrey Altman -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From john.hackett@icon-is.co.uk Sun Oct 23 14:20:21 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: John Hackett Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp mput /recursive problem.... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:27:16 +0100 Lines: 227 Message-ID: References: <3ZL4f.2292$h25.38@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iconinfo.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1129678037 7281 80.177.168.155 (18 Oct 2005 23:27:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:27:17 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15419 Frank, One more go... OK. Testing with another directory I am using a Fedora2 server running kermit and connecting to a vsftpd-2.0.1-5 server running on Fedora3. I am getting a similar problem with the tree getting out of sync. Here are the relevant logs, etc. filelist: 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Minor Project report,20480,binary,OK,"0.003sec 6826666cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Moderation,8772,binary,OK,"0.003sec 2923999cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Project1 - report sheets,17408,binary,OK,"0.003sec 5802666cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Project2 - report sheets,30720,binary,OK,"0.005sec 6143999cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Tessa Parnell?1,25088,binary,OK,"0.003sec 8362666cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/TessaParnell?2,13312,binary,OK,"0.002sec 6655999cps" This is where the problem starts DIR NEAB not created: 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB/Headings Only,10555,binary,OK,"0.003sec 3518333cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB/Letter to Board?1,2493,binary,OK,"0.002sec 1246499cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB/NEAB - Syllabus,51316,binary,OK,"0.006sec 8552666cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB/Reading CORE1,6667,binary,OK,"0.002sec 3333499cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB/ResultsAnalysis98,11082,binary,OK,"0.003sec 3693999cps" 20051018,23:20:56,PUT,CHS/ A-level/NEAB/Teaching Timetable,16509,binary,OK,"0.003sec 5502999cps" DEBUG: PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Minor Project report (binary) (20480 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,185,69) ---> STOR Minor Project report 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.003 sec, 6826666 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Moderation (binary) (8772 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,132,250) ---> STOR Moderation 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.003 sec, 2923999 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Project1 - report sheets (binary) (17408 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,137,135) ---> STOR Project1 - report sheets 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.003 sec, 5802666 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Project2 - report sheets (binary) (30720 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,114,137) ---> STOR Project2 - report sheets 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.005 sec, 6143999 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/Tessa Parnellï¢1 (binary) (25088 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,38,236) ---> STOR Tessa Parnellï¢1 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.003 sec, 8362666 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/TessaParnellï¢2 (binary) (13312 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,188,17) ---> STOR TessaParnellï¢2 OK up to now. PWD: /home/john/testbackup/misc/CHS/ A-level/NEAB projects-ex98/ 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.002 sec, 6655999 cps) ---> CDUP 250 Directory successfully changed. PWD: /home/john/testbackup/misc/CHS/ A-level/ NO REQUEST TO MAKE DIR: NEAB PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB/Headings Only (binary) (10555 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,153,156) ---> STOR Headings Only FILE STORED IN WRONG PLACE: /home/john/testbackup/misc/CHS/ A-level/ INSTEAD OF: /home/john/testbackup/misc/CHS/ A-level/NEAB/ NOW WE ARE A DIRECTORY OUT OF STEP. 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.003 sec, 3518333 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB/Letter to Boardï¢1 (binary) (2493 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,223,76) ---> STOR Letter to Boardï¢1 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.002 sec, 1246499 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB/NEAB - Syllabus (binary) (51316 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,90,254) ---> STOR NEAB - Syllabus 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.006 sec, 8552666 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB/Reading CORE1 (binary) (6667 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,241,34) ---> STOR Reading CORE1 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.002 sec, 3333499 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB/ResultsAnalysis98 (binary) (11082 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,202,50) ---> STOR ResultsAnalysis98 150 Ok to send data. 226 File receive OK. : OK (0.003 sec, 3693999 cps) PUT CHS/ A-level/NEAB/Teaching Timetable (binary) (16509 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,10,10,115,73) ---> STOR Teaching Timetable It still seems to me that this is a kermit problem as I get the same thing when running the command "ftp mput /recursive /listfile:\m(filelist)" against different servers and here we can see that the MKD command has not been issued by kermit to vsftp. But given what you and Jeff said below I am now totally confused! I cannot get into the LaCie to see what ftp server it is using - whether it is also using vsftp - I'll need to adk their tech support... Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2005-10-17, John Hackett wrote: > : That was my first thought when I began this and had various > : conversations with Technical Support at LaCie: but then I ran the > : complete backup with gFTP against the LaCie and it worked fine. > : > Perhaps gFTP is issuing a different reportoire of commands to the server > and doesn't tickle the server bug, assuming there is one. > > : Also, I > : have run this Kermit script against both the LaCie and another Fedora3 > : server and both failed in the same way at the same point - which seems > : to suggest some problem with Kermit rather than the server. > : > Is it the same FTP server in both cases? > > : As this was really a second line of backup I think I may give up on this > : and try a different approach - As I already have an cron'd rsync running > : to give server -> backup I think I'll just mount the LaCie on the backup > : server and use rsync to it instead. A bit less flexible for what I > : originally bought the Lacie for but unless anyone has any other bright > : ideas..... > : > Let's look at this transcript again: > > :>>SAVED IN: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/sarah_hac/ > :>>---> CDUP > :>>250 CDUP command successful > :>> > :>>NOW: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/ > :>>---> CDUP > :>>250 CDUP command successful > :>> > :>>NOW: /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/ > :>>---> CWD Real > :>>550 Real: No such file or directory > :>>---> MKD Real > : > Kermit has CDUP'd to the server's directory: > > /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/ > > and now asks to CD to the "Real" subdirectory of that directory. The server > says there isn't one. But there is, right? No - the directory Real hasn't been created yet. The MKD Real should create the directory at /mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/ So either one or more of the > prior CDUP commands didn't actually work (even thought the server said they > did, as Jeff said) or the server botched the CWD command, reporting the > target directory did not exist when it did. The next bit shows that the > former theory is the right one: but this is still right - it looks as if a CDUP didn't work. > > :>>257 "/mirror/sarah/profile/Application Data/Skype/Real" - Directory > :>>successfully created > :>>CREATED DIRECTORY Real > :>>---> CWD Real > :>>250 CWD command successful > : > The CDUP out of the Skype subdirectory was not successful, despite the > server's status report, exactly what Jeff said, which is why the CWD command > did not find the Real subdirectory and therefore Kermit had to ask the > server to create one. > > If you can't change or fix the server, then I agree you'll have to give up > on Kermit, but I don't think it's Kermit's fault. Conceivably I could have > Kermit do a PWD after each CDUP to check that the server is not lying when > it says it worked, but that would slow things down a lot on certain kinds > of transfers. > > - Frank From leont58@bellsouth.net Sun Oct 23 14:20:34 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "LT" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit +ssl compile fails with syntax error before numeric constant Date: 19 Oct 2005 11:55:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 53 Message-ID: <1129748128.997179.70330@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.152.254 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1129748134 19156 127.0.0.1 (19 Oct 2005 18:55:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:55:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 ISA2HI Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=32.97.152.254; posting-account=AjtIhA0AAAD5aklwbwNtWm7dUDZPW_7Q Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15420 I needed to make a change to c-kermit. The recompile is failing on linux with the error... "/usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:324: error: syntax error before numeric constant" I installed and verified the the latest version of openssl. The compile log and other details are below. Any ideas on a fix would be appreciated. thanks, LT $ openssl version OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005 $ make clean Removing object files... rm -f ckcmai.o ckucmd.o ckuusr.o ckuus2.o \ ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckcpro.o ckcfns.o \ ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o ckuxla.o ckucon.o ckutio.o \ ckufio.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckwart.o ckuusx.o \ ckuusy.o ckcnet.o ckuus6.o ckuus7.o ckusig.o \ ckucns.o ckcmdb.o ckuath.o ckctel.o ckclib.o \ ckcuni.o ck_crp.o ck_ssl.o ckupty.o ckcftp.o \ ckcpro.c wart $ make linux+openssl Making C-Kermit "8.0.211" for Linux on i386 with SSL/TLS... make xermit KTARGET=${KTARGET:-linux+openssl} "CC = gcc" "CC2 = gcc" \ "CFLAGS = -O -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX -DNOCOTFMC \ -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL \ -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H \ -DFNFLOAT -I/usr/local/ssl/include " "LNKFLAGS = " \ "LIBS= -L/usr/local/ssl/lib \ -lncurses -ltermcap -lssl -lcrypto -lm -lresolv -lcrypt" make[1]: Entering directory `/home/aplst/ftp/kermit/temp' gcc -O -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX -DNOCOTFMC -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H -DFNFLOAT -I/usr/local/ssl/include -DKTARGET=\"linux+openssl\" -c ckcmai.c In file included from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/x509.h:96, from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h:183, from ck_ssl.h:43, from ckcmai.c:607: /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:324: error: syntax error before numeric constant /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:325: error: syntax error before numeric constant make[1]: *** [ckcmai.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/aplst/ftp/kermit/temp' make: *** [linux+openssl] Error 2 From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Sun Oct 23 14:20:39 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:38:07 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: what organisation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051007 Debian/1.7.12-1 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit +ssl compile fails with syntax error before numeric constant References: <1129748128.997179.70330@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1129748128.997179.70330@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1092.adelaide.on.net.au Message-ID: <4356fc09$1@duster.adelaide.on.net> X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1129774089 150.101.64.67 (20 Oct 2005 11:38:09 +0950) Lines: 60 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-south.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15421 Hi, you probably need to install OpenSSL 0.9.7g, add: -DOPENSSL_097 to your makefile options, and try compiling again. LT wrote: > I needed to make a change to c-kermit. The recompile is failing on > linux with the error... "/usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:324: > error: syntax error before numeric constant" > > I installed and verified the the latest version of openssl. > The compile log and other details are below. > > Any ideas on a fix would be appreciated. > thanks, LT > > > $ openssl version > OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005 > > > $ make clean > Removing object files... > rm -f ckcmai.o ckucmd.o ckuusr.o ckuus2.o \ > ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckcpro.o ckcfns.o \ > ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o ckuxla.o ckucon.o ckutio.o \ > ckufio.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckwart.o ckuusx.o \ > ckuusy.o ckcnet.o ckuus6.o ckuus7.o ckusig.o \ > ckucns.o ckcmdb.o ckuath.o ckctel.o ckclib.o \ > ckcuni.o ck_crp.o ck_ssl.o ckupty.o ckcftp.o \ > ckcpro.c wart > > > $ make linux+openssl > Making C-Kermit "8.0.211" for Linux on i386 with SSL/TLS... > make xermit KTARGET=${KTARGET:-linux+openssl} "CC = gcc" "CC2 = gcc" \ > "CFLAGS = -O -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX -DNOCOTFMC \ > -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL \ > -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H \ > -DFNFLOAT -I/usr/local/ssl/include " "LNKFLAGS = " \ > "LIBS= -L/usr/local/ssl/lib \ > -lncurses -ltermcap -lssl -lcrypto -lm -lresolv -lcrypt" > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/aplst/ftp/kermit/temp' > gcc -O -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX -DNOCOTFMC > -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DTCPSOCKET > -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H -DFNFLOAT -I/usr/local/ssl/include > -DKTARGET=\"linux+openssl\" -c ckcmai.c > In file included from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/x509.h:96, > from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h:183, > from ck_ssl.h:43, > from ckcmai.c:607: > /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:324: error: syntax error before > numeric constant > /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:325: error: syntax error before > numeric constant > make[1]: *** [ckcmai.o] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/aplst/ftp/kermit/temp' > make: *** [linux+openssl] Error 2 > From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Sun Oct 23 14:21:10 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:55:20 -0500 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there a tutorial on...tcpip file transfer Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:59:04 +0100 Message-ID: <435784e3.14049421@giganews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-7KKBOPTZuCak+0UPTS6WiEgWSZPbDsW+iGZxOVx4AGfqVri8Tz2kS6jvIhVz7/ckoFRHxq98wiNdhtq!z/ct2Pv0SuxmWljFmncrW6FzOA6EIRXXBNtXjM+/mLy3CC5y9vw7TBF3yvEeVn6yebXPNyym7chK!tWBeQt+W+UA6bEDX X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15422 Hi, At the moment we use kermit (95) to transfer files serially and across modem links. The host is setup like this: set port COM1 set speed 57600 set block 3 set window 5 set receive packet-length 2000 set transfer interruption on set file collision overwrite set flow xon Server The remote is setup the same apart from instead of Server, it GETs a file and SENDs a file. I now want to transfer exactly the same files, only across ethernet/windows/tcpip networks. What's the simplest way? thanks -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Sun Oct 23 14:21:13 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there a tutorial on...tcpip file transfer Date: 20 Oct 2005 06:41:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 61 Message-ID: <1129815700.858193.85740@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <435784e3.14049421@giganews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1129815706 13303 127.0.0.1 (20 Oct 2005 13:41:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:41:46 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <435784e3.14049421@giganews.nildram.co.uk> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 Firefox/1.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15423 Rob S wrote: > Hi, > > At the moment we use kermit (95) to transfer files serially and across modem > links. The host is setup like this: > set port COM1 > set speed 57600 > set block 3 > set window 5 > set receive packet-length 2000 > set transfer interruption on > set file collision overwrite > set flow xon > Server > The remote is setup the same apart from instead of Server, it GETs a file and > SENDs a file. > > I now want to transfer exactly the same files, only across > ethernet/windows/tcpip networks. What's the simplest way? > > thanks > > -Rob > robatwork at mail dot com Rob; I cut the following from a script we use. The script connects to a central *n?x server by modem, telnet, or SSH dependent on the remote client wishes using K95. Except for this section the method of connection does not matter. Hope you find it useful. if equal "\$(CONTYPE)" "SSH" { set host /net:ssh suse81 /user:\$(USER) /password:\$(PASSWD) } else { if equal "\$(CONTYPE)" "TELNET" { set host \$(USRENTRY) } else { set modem \$(CONTYPE) set port tapi if fail end 1 TAPI line Intel already in use. set tapi phone-number-conversions off set tapi modem-dialing on, ;set tapi line intel if not equal "\v(modem)" "tapi" set modem type tapi set dial timeout 60 dial \$(USRENTRY) } if open connection { echo CONNECTED TO \$(USRENTRY) by \$(CONTYPE) } else { echo NO CONNECTION TO \$(USRENTRY) by \$(CONTYPE) getok /gui CONNECTION ERROR ... close quit } Regards...Dan. From dan.sandberg@gmail.com Fri Oct 28 10:02:59 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: dan.sandberg@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connected-mode key bound macro Date: 25 Oct 2005 16:12:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1130281969.690396.82360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.122.34.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1130281974 26138 127.0.0.1 (25 Oct 2005 23:12:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:12:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051010 Firefox/1.0.7 (Ubuntu package 1.0.7),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.122.34.76; posting-account=wRG5xw0AAAAC_zREENq8PYQv3jqovWWO Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15426 Hi, I've looked and looked and looked but can't find how to bind a key to a macro which works IN CONNECTED MODE. I know about: set key \Kmacro but the macro gets processed immediately, rather than executing later when c-kermit is in connected mode. I'm using C-Kermit 8.0.211. I'm trying to make so I can upload a binary file with one keypress while in connected mode. If this isn't possible, then I'd like to switch to command mode, upload the file, and switch back to connected mode with one key press. Any help GREATLY appreciated! -Dan From nospam@killspam.org Fri Oct 28 10:19:16 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1130281969.690396.82360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Connected-mode key bound macro Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:48:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1130503727 24.148.161.18 (Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:48:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:48:47 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15427 wrote in message news:1130281969.690396.82360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > using C-Kermit 8.0.211. I'm trying to make so I can upload a > binary file with one keypress while in connected mode. Not sure if I've got the question correctly, but I have never had a problem with this using two scripts, one to set key and connect, the other to send the file - I'm reasonably sure it would work as a macro definition (only one scriptfile needed) as well, but haven't tested No reason why properly scoped variables wouldn't work for the filename parameter to extend to variable filenames, i.e. current mouse selection etc.. ;set (`) key (below the tilde on my keyboard :) set key 96 take /home/sendfile.ksc ; set host .......... where /home/sendfile.ksc = kermitshbang line send /binary filename From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 10:19:22 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connected-mode key bound macro Date: 28 Oct 2005 14:18:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <1130281969.690396.82360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1130509108 2709 128.59.59.56 (28 Oct 2005 14:18:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2005 14:18:28 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15428 On 2005-10-25, dan.sandberg@gmail.com wrote: : I've looked and looked and looked but can't find how to bind a key to a : macro which works IN CONNECTED MODE. I know about: : : set key \Kmacro : : but the macro gets processed immediately, rather than executing later : when c-kermit is in connected mode. : : I'm using C-Kermit 8.0.211. I'm trying to make so I can upload a : binary file with one keypress while in connected mode. If this isn't : possible, then I'd like to switch to command mode, upload the file, and : switch back to connected mode with one key press. : C-Kermit's key mapping is extremely limited, and it definitely does not support binding keys to macros, as Kermit 95 (*) and MS-DOS Kermit do, because C-Kermit is not a true terminal emulator in the sense that the other two are, as explained here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term (*) While Kermit 95 does support binding keys to macros, a bug in the current version, 2.1.3, prevents them from working right. This will be fixed in the next release. And before you ask when that will be, all I can say is we are still working on a way to bring the new release to you. Back to C-Kermit. Since C-Kermit has no access to keyboard events, all it can do is read single bytes from stdin. Thus you can only map keys that produce bytes in the range 0x01 to 0xff. That leaves out such things as Alt-key combinations, Ctrl-Shift combinations, and Ctrl with keys that don't produce ASCII control characters (such as Ctrl-Period, Ctrl-Semicolon, etc). The only thing you can map to a key is text (a string of 1 or more characters). When you press the key during CONNECT mode, the text is sent to the host. There are no \Kverbs in C-Kermit nor any method to set up keystroke macros that perform local actions; these could be added, it is a "mere matter of programming". The source code is open to all, anybody could do this. - Frank From shane@nedlam.com Mon Oct 31 14:41:47 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!lon-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Shane Malden" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit FTP Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: <7Gm9f.5343$Hj2.4993@news-server.bigpond.net.au> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:50:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.9.228.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1130755843 61.9.228.181 (Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:50:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:50:43 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15430 Hi. Is there anyone to do a directory listing on a FTP server and download every file? The issue is, there are new files added daily and I don't want to download what I downloaded yesterday. I only have read access so I can't flag them once downloaded nor remove the file. I've heard Kermit has some programming features but not sure if it'll be smart enough to to do this? Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Shane From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:41:55 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit FTP Date: 31 Oct 2005 19:41:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <7Gm9f.5343$Hj2.4993@news-server.bigpond.net.au> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1130787702 2563 128.59.59.56 (31 Oct 2005 19:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2005 19:41:42 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15431 On 2005-10-31, Shane Malden wrote: : Hi. Is there anyone to do a directory listing on a FTP server and download : every file? The issue is, there are new files added daily and I don't want : to download what I downloaded yesterday. I only have read access so I can't : flag them once downloaded nor remove the file. I've heard Kermit has some : programming features but not sure if it'll be smart enough to to do this? : Any help would be appreciated. : See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html which doesn't apply to FTP specifically, but many of the same features are available in the FTP client, and: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html that discusses how to write FTP scripts and works up to how to do "transaction processing", similar to what you are looking for. Also, in Kermit itself, at the C-Kermit> or K-95> prompt, type "help ftp mget" to see the options available when downloading files with FTP. Among them the /COLLISION:UPDATE switch. Mileage can vary depending on the capabilities of the FTP server. - Frank From joe.powell@lmco.com Mon Oct 31 16:19:26 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: joe.powell@lmco.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why am I doing undesired SSL authentication? Date: 31 Oct 2005 13:05:53 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1130792753.825104.9270@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.91.147.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1130792759 3352 127.0.0.1 (31 Oct 2005 21:05:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:05:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 MVNPX1 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=192.91.147.34; posting-account=xgv93Q0AAADzqtbiPG1PAX2w9BlmAlpA Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15432 In May, greatly due to this group's influence, I developed an application on a SUSE 8 platform using the FTP client built in Kermit 7. This app's only viable method for logging in to a remote server is with a userid and password, i.e. no SSL, Kerberos, etc.. It worked very well. We recently switched to a new server which included upgrading from SUSE 8 to SUSE 9 and from cKermit 7 to cKermit 8. After this switch, Kermit now tries to perform SSL authentication before each session which fails because we do not (and never will) have this set up with the servers to which we are connecting. Kermit docs show that it bases its default authentication settings on which libraries exist when it is installed. From this and our new attempts at SSL authentication, it seems some SSL library(ies) exist on our new server that were not on our old server which cause Kermit to always attempt SSL authentication by default. I have turned this off and restored our app to its former successful functioning by issuing a "SET FTP AUTOAUTHENTICATION OFF" before we execute an FTP OPEN. Our sys admin states nothing changed in the installations of Kermit on our servers. My questions are: 1. Does my analysis seem correct? 2. Is "SET FTP AUTOAUTHENTICATION OFF" the right (and/or only) way to stop Kermit from performing SSL authentication by default (without removing libraries or modifying make files)? 3. How do I identify the library(ies) which, by their existence, cause Kermit to default to performing SSL authentication? 4. Since no known library changes were made during our upgrade, how should we have known about this prior to upgrading? 3. Has anyone else found this to be an issue? Thank you. Joe From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 16:23:11 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why am I doing undesired SSL authentication? Date: 31 Oct 2005 21:22:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <1130792753.825104.9270@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1130793769 7420 128.59.59.56 (31 Oct 2005 21:22:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2005 21:22:49 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15433 On 2005-10-31, joe.powell@lmco.com wrote: : In May, greatly due to this group's influence, I developed an : application on a SUSE 8 platform using the FTP client built in Kermit : 7. This app's only viable method for logging in to a remote server is : with a userid and password, i.e. no SSL, Kerberos, etc.. It worked very : well. : : We recently switched to a new server which included upgrading from SUSE : 8 to SUSE 9 and from cKermit 7 to cKermit 8. After this switch, Kermit : now tries to perform SSL authentication before each session which fails : because we do not (and never will) have this set up with the servers to : which we are connecting. : : Kermit docs show that it bases its default authentication settings on : which libraries exist when it is installed. : Not exactly. C-Kermit can be built with or without support for various security methods, including SSL, Kerberos, etc. If you build it yourself you can control which options are included. For example, "make linux" builds it with no security at all, in which case it will never try to make a secure connection (except SSH, for which it uses the external ssh client, but only if you tell it to make an SSH connection). : From this and our new : attempts at SSL authentication, it seems some SSL library(ies) exist on : our new server that were not on our old server which cause Kermit to : always attempt SSL authentication by default. I have turned this off : and restored our app to its former successful functioning by issuing a : "SET FTP AUTOAUTHENTICATION OFF" before we execute an FTP OPEN. Our sys : admin states nothing changed in the installations of Kermit on our : servers. : Of course if you have a verion of C-Kermit with security features included, you can use commands such as the one you mentioned to control their behavior or disable them altogether. - Frank From malonespam@cox.net Sun Nov 6 17:42:30 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT100 Control Character problems Date: 3 Nov 2005 14:25:06 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: <1131056706.766259.270570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131056717 19357 127.0.0.1 (3 Nov 2005 22:25:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15434 I actually have two problems which may or may not have been addressed already. i am using kermit95 version 2.1.3 #1. When running an auto script that logs on to a host, emulating vt100, I get the control characters ie \27[34m....however, when I logon manually, I see the different colors and blinking text. How can i fix that where I see the actual text that way it should be viewed without the control characters? #2. When creating the session log emulating the vt100, I have Control Characters thougout the log. how can those be removed without removing them myself? i included a small example... Auto-sensing... [6n [! [0m [1;5;35mWELCOME! [0;1;32mWPS Electronic Data Services Running The Major BBS by GALACTICOMM ONLINE 28800 BAUD AT 15:58 28-OCT-05 [0m [1;32mIf you already have a User-ID on this system, type it in and press RETURN. Otherwise type "[36mnew[32m": This is what it should look like... Auto-sensing... WELCOME! WPS Electronic Data Services Running The Major BBS by GALACTICOMM ONLINE 9600 BAUD AT 05:45 07-JAN-05 If you already have a User-ID on this system, type it in and press RETURN. Otherwise type "new": From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Nov 6 17:42:33 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 Control Character problems References: <1131056706.766259.270570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1131056706.766259.270570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 67 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:09:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1131113399 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:09:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:09:59 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15435 malone wrote: > #1. > When running an auto script that logs on to a host, emulating vt100, I > get the control characters ie \27[34m....however, when I logon > manually, I see the different colors and blinking text. How can i fix > that where I see the actual text that way it should be viewed without > the control characters? I'm not sure I understand the question. Which are you asking for? (1) You want the INPUT command to only see user visible text and not the actual contents of the stream? (2) You want the contents of the stream to be interpretted and displayed in the command session while your input script is running. If you want to have the terminal window running, perhaps you should use CONNECT mode triggers instead of the INPUT command. > #2. > When creating the session log emulating the vt100, I have Control > Characters thougout the log. how can those be removed without removing > them myself? i included a small example... > > Auto-sensing... > [6n > [! > [0m [1;5;35mWELCOME! > > [0;1;32mWPS Electronic Data Services > Running The Major BBS by GALACTICOMM > ONLINE 28800 BAUD AT 15:58 28-OCT-05 > [0m > [1;32mIf you already have a User-ID on this > system, type it in and press RETURN. > Otherwise type "[36mnew[32m": > > > This is what it should look like... > > Auto-sensing... > WELCOME! > > WPS Electronic Data Services > Running The Major BBS by GALACTICOMM > ONLINE 9600 BAUD AT 05:45 07-JAN-05 > > If you already have a User-ID on this > system, type it in and press RETURN. > Otherwise type "new": > A session log is a capture of the entire data stream including controls characters. To get what you desire you can take a session log and pipe it through ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/novt.exe to remove the VT control sequences. Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From malonespam@cox.net Sun Nov 6 17:42:41 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 Control Character problems Date: 4 Nov 2005 07:41:44 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1131118904.215939.217090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> References: <1131056706.766259.270570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131118909 28698 127.0.0.1 (4 Nov 2005 15:41:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:41:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15436 Number 2 is what I am really looking for. You want the contents of the stream to be interpretted and displayed in the command session while your input script is running. When I connect to the host manully, the characters are interpretted and displayed as colored text or blinking text or whatever it is set for, but when I connect using the script, the control characters are not interpretted and displayed as the control characters instead, ie..[0;1;32m. The whole process that I am creating is to be automatic and not user controlled. But if someone is watching the process it should be easy to follow where exactly the script is. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Nov 6 17:42:44 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 Control Character problems References: <1131056706.766259.270570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1131118904.215939.217090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1131118904.215939.217090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:04:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1131120247 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:04:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:04:07 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15437 malone wrote: > Number 2 is what I am really looking for. > You want the contents of the stream to be interpretted and > displayed > in the command session while your input script is running. > > > When I connect to the host manully, the characters are > interpretted and displayed as colored text or blinking text or whatever > it is set for, but when I connect using the script, the control > characters are not interpretted and displayed as the control characters > instead, ie..[0;1;32m. > > The whole process that I am creating is to be automatic and not > user controlled. But if someone is watching the process it should be > easy to follow where exactly the script is. Then as I indicated you will need to re-write your script in terms of CONNECT mode triggers instead of INPUT commands. CONNECT (aka terminal) mode is the only place where visible display of the terminal screen buffers is available. If you wish to contract to have a new feature added that would allow a script to execute without displaying the command screen. Please contact me via the information posted at https://www.secure-endpoints.com Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. -- ----------------- This e-mail account is not read on a regular basis. Please send private responses to jaltman at mit dot edu From malonespam@cox.net Sun Nov 6 17:42:50 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 Control Character problems Date: 4 Nov 2005 08:34:02 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1131122042.660342.156790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1131056706.766259.270570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1131118904.215939.217090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131122049 4221 127.0.0.1 (4 Nov 2005 16:34:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:34:09 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15438 Thank you for all your help. How do I use novt.exe? i can not find any documentation on it. ~Matt From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Nov 6 17:42:57 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.glorb.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 Control Character problems References: <1131056706.766259.270570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1131118904.215939.217090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1131122042.660342.156790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1131122042.660342.156790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Message-ID: <88Maf.12496$u43.9945@twister.nyc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:38:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1131122308 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:38:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:38:28 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15440 malone wrote: > Thank you for all your help. > > How do I use novt.exe? i can not find any documentation on it. > > ~Matt Its a "filter" that you "pipe" data through. type session.log | novt.exe > session-without-control.txt Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. From malonespam@cox.net Sun Nov 6 17:43:00 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 Control Character problems Date: 4 Nov 2005 08:48:37 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1131122917.074600.190250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1131056706.766259.270570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1131118904.215939.217090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1131122042.660342.156790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <88Maf.12496$u43.9945@twister.nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131122922 5320 127.0.0.1 (4 Nov 2005 16:48:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:48:42 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <88Maf.12496$u43.9945@twister.nyc.rr.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15439 That is what I was missing, Thank you very much for all your help. From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Thu Nov 10 08:46:40 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:22:49 -0600 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 command line switches Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:27:07 +0000 Message-ID: <43723106.204365890@giganews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-lb2co7/XnAywuf17B/CXO6MJV6Quaf30zSPN/9p1WijIpQj2p4S+LBsQzG+nbG165FivwSqbLmieRQh!kM6h/ibTb9gUfUbr+Y5dHIrMn4ASjpgA5iHX42xn+O8SVCRb395SrNYnp8tm2o9m3grBTSWZGPq6!8P7o6uRhQKLyDmQVew== X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15442 Hi, Is there a command line switch for kermit 95 to open it full-screen, or maximised? thanks -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Thu Nov 10 08:46:44 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 command line switches Date: 9 Nov 2005 11:29:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1131564561.104575.283930@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <43723106.204365890@giganews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131564566 18113 127.0.0.1 (9 Nov 2005 19:29:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:29:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <43723106.204365890@giganews.nildram.co.uk> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15443 Rob S wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a command line switch for kermit 95 to open it full-screen, or > maximised? > > thanks > -Rob > robatwork at mail dot com Rob; at the k95 prompt enter: help options all search down through the -- "dash dash options" find lots of screen size options, ie: maximize, minimize, rows columns, font_size, etc Hope this helps; Regards...Dan. From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 08:46:50 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit logging of a session Date: 9 Nov 2005 20:59:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131598753 809 127.0.0.1 (10 Nov 2005 04:59:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:59:13 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20051012 Netscape/8.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15444 VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I want to log a session when using Kermit to connect to another system. > What command(s) do I use? log session filename > Also, for those that remember the ol' VT100, one could put the terminal > into a mode that would display all the control and other non-printable > characters. Is there such a mode in Kermit? Assuming you mean Kermit-95, Alt-D is the default key to toggle 'terminal debug' mode. It can also be controlled by the set terminal debug off|on command, but in k95 2.1.3 (and maybe earlier, I don't remember) there is a bug in that both 'off' and 'on' mean 'on' so you can turn the mode on by command, but you have to use Alt-D (or whatever you've mapped the \Kdebug function to) in connect mode to turn it off. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Thu Nov 10 13:21:25 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:46:43 -0600 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 command line switches Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:51:08 +0000 Message-ID: <43745035.277882078@giganews.nildram.co.uk> References: <43723106.204365890@giganews.nildram.co.uk> <1131564561.104575.283930@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-50U01/loXZuSeqgx0v5PGvoqsgKhiSYCHu9/lydVARYHEV/z8ArgVxON92B6mRooDhSfxY4QxG1to7S!4tCjYgWAMfQf9C//SNTFQUXH7T9maL1HPYSGsi8vjywlKTLk5uPHRZMSjTfhrkQckLx3X2X3ROH0!qxeNKarJtaSw+hzruQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15445 On 9 Nov 2005 11:29:21 -0800, JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com wrote: - -Rob; -at the k95 prompt enter: -help options all - Thanks, and also to Frank who replied by email -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From malonespam@cox.net Thu Nov 10 13:21:29 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Rasdial Date: 10 Nov 2005 09:38:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1131644305.487949.290000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131644310 12643 127.0.0.1 (10 Nov 2005 17:38:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:38:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15446 There are times that I automate a connection to other servers using Rasdial and the conenction is either busy or no carrier is detected or what ever. I am looking for a way to capture its error state, examine it in kermit and take appropriate actions. For example if the line is busy I want kermit to examine rasdials state and not redial imediatly but rather redial after other scripts ran. If the carrier was not detected I would want it to redial. and if it continues not connecting I would want it to notify me. Is this possible? if it is not possible to grab this variable using Kermit, is there another language like perl or java that could be used instead? Thanks in advance. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 13:27:09 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Rasdial Date: 10 Nov 2005 18:27:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1131644305.487949.290000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1131647223 10736 128.59.59.56 (10 Nov 2005 18:27:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2005 18:27:03 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15447 On 2005-11-10, malone wrote: : There are times that I automate a connection to other servers using : Rasdial and the conenction is either busy or no carrier is detected or : what ever. I am looking for a way to capture its error state, examine : it in kermit and take appropriate actions. : : For example if the line is busy I want kermit to examine rasdials state : and not redial imediatly but rather redial after other scripts ran. If : the carrier was not detected I would want it to redial. and if it : continues not connecting I would want it to notify me. : : Is this possible? : : if it is not possible to grab this variable using Kermit, is there : another language like perl or java that could be used instead? : I don't think there is any way to do this in Windows. As explained in the K95 FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#modems (item "Can K95 dial my ISP?"): Because of Kermit 95's flexibility and programmability, many people ask us if there is a way that Kermit 95 can be used to make Dial Up Networking connections, in place of the standard Windows way. A variation on this question is: since Kermit can make modem calls, can I use it to make dialed connections to FTP servers? Unfortunately, the answer is no; Microsoft does not provide a way to let an application make a connection to a PPP or SLIP or FTP server (or Microsoft Windows Terminal Server) and then turn the connection over to the TCP/IP (or other network protocol) stack. The only way in Windows 95/98/ME or NT/2000/XP to make a dialup networking connection is with the built-in Dialup Networking dialer or (in Windows NT) RAS (see notes about RAS HERE). OS/2, on the other hand, allows this and Kermit 95 for OS/2 has this feature for both PPP and SLIP. This was written a long time ago but I'm not aware that anything has changed, nor am I aware of any way to access the state of the RAS dialer. As noted, this could be done in OS/2 or, for that matter, most versions of Unix, such as Linux. - Frank From VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG Thu Nov 10 17:16:59 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!guardian.oit.duke.edu!news.glorb.com!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!hw-filter.lga!fe08.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit logging of a session References: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Reply-To: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Message-ID: <00A4C98D.DB78424B@SendSpamHere.ORG> Organization: TMESIS Software Lines: 35 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:45:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.83.127.219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cv.net X-Trace: fe08.lga 1131651929 67.83.127.219 (Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:45:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:45:29 MST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15448 In article <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Mark Sapiro" writes: > > >VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> I want to log a session when using Kermit to connect to another system. >> What command(s) do I use? > > >log session filename Thanks... >> Also, for those that remember the ol' VT100, one could put the terminal >> into a mode that would display all the control and other non-printable >> characters. Is there such a mode in Kermit? > > >Assuming you mean Kermit-95, Alt-D is the default key to toggle >'terminal debug' mode. It can also be controlled by the > >set terminal debug off|on > >command, but in k95 2.1.3 (and maybe earlier, I don't remember) there >is a bug in that both 'off' and 'on' mean 'on' so you can turn the mode >on by command, but you have to use Alt-D (or whatever you've mapped the >\Kdebug function to) in connect mode to turn it off. I'm using this on an Apple Powerbook. Alt-D doesn't seem to work on the Powerbook. Is there a different key sequence? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 17:19:26 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit logging of a session Date: 10 Nov 2005 22:19:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <00A4C98D.DB78424B@SendSpamHere.ORG> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1131661161 22057 128.59.59.56 (10 Nov 2005 22:19:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2005 22:19:21 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15449 On 2005-11-10, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: :... :>> Also, for those that remember the ol' VT100, one could put the terminal :>> into a mode that would display all the control and other non-printable :>> characters. Is there such a mode in Kermit? :> :>Assuming you mean Kermit-95, Alt-D is the default key to toggle :>'terminal debug' mode. It can also be controlled by the :> :>set terminal debug off|on : : I'm using this on an Apple Powerbook. Alt-D doesn't seem to work on : the Powerbook. Is there a different key sequence? : If it's a Powerbook, it's probably C-Kermit, not Kermit 95. C-Kermit doesn't do Alt keys, etc. You can still use SET TERMINAL DEBUG to turn terminal debugging on and off, but the display is a bit crude. - Frank From malonespam@cox.net Thu Nov 10 19:28:38 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!nntp.abs.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Rasdial Date: 10 Nov 2005 14:07:43 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1131660463.011626.3390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1131644305.487949.290000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131660468 2209 127.0.0.1 (10 Nov 2005 22:07:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:07:48 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15451 Thank you, I found out the hard way that Kermit95 did make Dial Up Networking connections. Another question: how could I get a variable from the dos prompt, for example %errorlevel%, to be recognized by Kermit95? This variable gives the error code that I am looking for but how can I grab if for use in my script? From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 19:29:58 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Rasdial Date: 11 Nov 2005 00:29:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <1131644305.487949.290000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1131660463.011626.3390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1131668991 28352 128.59.59.56 (11 Nov 2005 00:29:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Nov 2005 00:29:51 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15452 On 2005-11-10, malone wrote: : Thank you, I found out the hard way that Kermit95 did make Dial Up : Networking connections. : : Another question: how could I get a variable from the dos prompt, for : example %errorlevel%, to be recognized by Kermit95? This variable gives : the error code that I am looking for but how can I grab if for use in : my script? : Did you try \$(errorlevel)? Also, if you are RUN-ning an external program from inside K95, you can access its exit status code as \v(pexitstat). - Frank From malonespam@cox.net Fri Nov 11 10:07:42 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!news.uchicago.edu!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Rasdial Date: 11 Nov 2005 06:01:00 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1131717660.168504.232590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> References: <1131644305.487949.290000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1131660463.011626.3390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131717665 9516 127.0.0.1 (11 Nov 2005 14:01:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:01:05 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15453 \$(errorlevel) did not retrieve any infomation, but the \v(pexitstat) gave me exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for your help. From VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG Fri Nov 11 10:10:34 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!hw-filter.lga!fe09.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit logging of a session References: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <00A4C98D.DB78424B@SendSpamHere.ORG> From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Reply-To: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Message-ID: <00A4C99C.F64841E6@SendSpamHere.ORG> Organization: TMESIS Software Lines: 29 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:33:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.83.127.219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cv.net X-Trace: fe09.lga 1131658416 67.83.127.219 (Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:33:36 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:33:36 MST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15450 In article <00A4C98D.DB78424B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > >In article <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Mark Sapiro" writes: >> >> >>VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> I want to log a session when using Kermit to connect to another system. >>> What command(s) do I use? >> >> >>log session filename > >Thanks... I have the following in a script: ... set terminal debug on log session test.log ... When I connect, I get what I'd expect from the "set terminal debug on" but the test.log file is always empty. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 10:12:33 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit logging of a session Date: 11 Nov 2005 15:12:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <00A4C98D.DB78424B@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A4C99C.F64841E6@SendSpamHere.ORG> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1131721946 28585 128.59.59.56 (11 Nov 2005 15:12:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Nov 2005 15:12:26 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15454 On 2005-11-10, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: : I have the following in a script: : ... : set terminal debug on : log session test.log : ... : : When I connect, I get what I'd expect from the "set terminal debug on" but : the test.log file is always empty. : Wow, I never noticed that before. You're right, when terminal debugging is on, the session log stops recording. I'll have to look into that. - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Nov 11 11:17:40 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit logging of a session Date: 11 Nov 2005 07:25:43 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1131722743.122331.45890@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <00A4C98D.DB78424B@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A4CA0F.D8BF4041@SendSpamHere.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1131722756 9932 127.0.0.1 (11 Nov 2005 15:25:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:25:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20051012 Netscape/8.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15455 VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > I've put a "log session filename" in the script I've written. It opens > a file with the name "filename" but there is never anything written in > the file. I want/need to log the session with the debug output included. I just tested very briefly with C-Kermit, and I think what's going on is session logging is suspended when terminal debug mode is on. As I said, it was just a brief test, so I'm not certain, but it looks like you can't log a session in terminal debug mode. However, this may not really be a problem in that the regular session log is a log of the raw data stream and includes all the control characters and escape sequences, just not 'printably rendered'. I.e., the , , , etc. characters are all in the session log, but as themselves, not as ^M, ^J, ^[, etc. If it is important to see the transparent characters in the latter form, you could always run the session log through a filter that would render them that way. Finally, I think K-95 2.1.3 at least does log when terminal debug mode is on, but it continues to log the raw data, not the interpreted data, so in any case, you might as well just log the raw session and, if necessary, filter it after the fact. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG Fri Nov 11 16:27:00 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!feed4.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!feed7.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!hw-filter.lga!fe12.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit logging of a session References: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <00A4C98D.DB78424B@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A4C99C.F64841E6@SendSpamHere.ORG> From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Reply-To: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Message-ID: <00A4CA44.AFA80751@SendSpamHere.ORG> Organization: TMESIS Software Lines: 24 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:34:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.83.127.219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cv.net X-Trace: fe12.lga 1131730453 67.83.127.219 (Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:34:13 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:34:13 MST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15456 In article , Frank da Cruz writes: > > >On 2005-11-10, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >: I have the following in a script: >: ... >: set terminal debug on >: log session test.log >: ... >: >: When I connect, I get what I'd expect from the "set terminal debug on" but >: the test.log file is always empty. >: >Wow, I never noticed that before. You're right, when terminal debugging is >on, the session log stops recording. I'll have to look into that. > >- Frank CRAP! I really need that... by Monday too. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 16:42:58 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit logging of a session Date: 11 Nov 2005 21:42:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <00A4C8C2.0A6F5B37@SendSpamHere.ORG> <1131598748.832021.277940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <00A4C98D.DB78424B@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A4C99C.F64841E6@SendSpamHere.ORG> <00A4CA44.AFA80751@SendSpamHere.ORG> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1131745370 16683 128.59.59.56 (11 Nov 2005 21:42:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Nov 2005 21:42:50 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15457 On 2005-11-11, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: : In article , : Frank da Cruz writes: :>: :>: When I connect, I get what I'd expect from the "set terminal debug on" :>: but the test.log file is always empty. :>: :>Wow, I never noticed that before. You're right, when terminal debugging is :>on, the session log stops recording. I'll have to look into that. : : CRAP! I really need that... by Monday too. : I put up a new C-Kermit "daily" build, 8.0.212 Dev.05, that fixes this: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html For now, it logs in debugging format if SET TERMINAL DEBUG is ON. There are good arguments for doing it either way. If somebody desperately needs to be able to save a raw session log while TERMINAL DEBUG is ON, I suppose I can add Yet Another SET Command for choosing. It also has a small new feature. Whenever you give a command that refers to a local file (can be wildcard), the local file specification is saved and can be recalled in a subsequent command (or even the same one) by typing Ctrl-K. I realize it's not quite the same as EMACS- or Vi-style command- line editing, but that's not in the cards for Kermit for various reasons (size, portability, conflict with current functionality). Example: directory ck[cuw]*.[cwh] send ^K The SEND command turns into "send ck[cuw]*.[cwh]". The same filespec is also available in the new variable \v(lastfilespec). - Frank From malonespam@cox.net Wed Nov 30 16:07:48 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Take command exiting... Date: 30 Nov 2005 13:00:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1133384455.038767.79060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1133384460 20021 127.0.0.1 (30 Nov 2005 21:01:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:01:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15458 With out trying to get too depp in it - I am processing an array that is populated with mulitple kermit command files, for the sake of complexity lets say 10 command files are in the array, if there is a problem with command file # 5 and it is not processing corectly, is there a way to fail #5 command file and resume on #6 command file? example of code : assign \%v \ffiles(*.ksc) declare \&b[\%v] for \%j 1 \%v 1 { take \&b[\%j] } This may have been answered somewhere else and not seen it. Thank you in advance for your help. Malone From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 16:10:07 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Take command exiting... Date: 30 Nov 2005 21:09:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <1133384455.038767.79060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1133384999 15006 128.59.59.56 (30 Nov 2005 21:09:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 2005 21:09:59 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15459 On 2005-11-30, malone wrote: : With out trying to get too depp in it - I am processing an array that : is populated with mulitple kermit command files, for the sake of : complexity lets say 10 command files are in the array, if there is a : problem with command file # 5 and it is not processing corectly, is : there a way to fail #5 command file and resume on #6 command file? : : example of code : : assign \%v \ffiles(*.ksc) : declare \&b[\%v] : for \%j 1 \%v 1 { : take \&b[\%j] : } : Sure. When it detects that it has a problem, just have it give an END command. - Frank From malonespam@cox.net Thu Dec 1 11:46:38 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Take command exiting... Date: 30 Nov 2005 13:32:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1133386372.686029.66160@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1133384455.038767.79060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1133386377 23244 127.0.0.1 (30 Nov 2005 21:32:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:32:57 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15461 That is just it, if it does not detect a problem or if it runs into a condition that was not previously available it continues with the input / output dialog. I do not want to ctrl-C out of the script of about 100 command files to open command file #5 insert an end and then call the initiating script again. I know I could fix the problem and call only those files that were not called earlier but I would prefer to only bypass the command file that had the problem and continue processing the other 100 command files. What exactly is the Input cancellation command? and is that a way that I can cancel the input dialog and enter an end? From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 11:46:44 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Take command exiting... Date: 30 Nov 2005 21:41:17 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 69 Message-ID: <1133415677.052842.20950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1133384455.038767.79060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1133386372.686029.66160@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1133415694 4467 127.0.0.1 (1 Dec 2005 05:41:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:41:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20051012 Netscape/8.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15460 malone wrote: > That is just it, if it does not detect a problem or if it runs into a > condition that was not previously available it continues with the input > / output dialog. I do not want to ctrl-C out of the script of about 100 > command files to open command file #5 insert an end and then call the > initiating script again. > > I know I could fix the problem and call only those files that were not > called earlier but I would prefer to only bypass the command file that > had the problem and continue processing the other 100 command files. > > What exactly is the Input cancellation command? and is that a way that > I can cancel the input dialog and enter an end? What are you doing in the 'command files'. It seems you need to make them more robust. I.e., every 'output' command should be followed by an 'input' with a time out that checks for the expected response and that followed by an 'if failure ...' . If you simply want to stop that command file, but continue the higher level script, this could just be 'if failure end' or 'if failure end 0 message to print'. Other commands like send and get should also be tested with 'if failure' or 'if success'. Here's a piece of script as an example. These use 'end 1' because I want this to signal failure to a caller, but you could use 'end 0' to signal success. Of course, if you don't test success/failure/status in the caller, it doesn't matter :-) set host /pty ssh -e none -l \v(userid) \m(rhost).\m(rdomain) if fail end 1 Unable to connect to \m(rhost). input 30 assword: if fail end 1 No password prompt. output \m(pswd1)\13 input 20 \m(rhost) if fail end 1 No shell prompt. input 5 % if fail end 1 No shell prompt. output kermit -Y\13 input 20 C-Kermit> if fail end 1 No Kermit prompt. output set receive pathnames relative\13 set send pathnames relative input 20 C-Kermit> if fail end 1 No Kermit prompt. output set file collision update\13 input 20 C-Kermit> if fail end 1 No Kermit prompt. output server\13 input 20 SERVE... if fail end 1 Not in server mode. input 2 \10 if fail end 1 How can this be? ... In your case, you may need to test for something more complex than another prompt or look for something with input that signals failure, e.g. input 5 error if success end Or you may need to test some environment variable or \v(exitstatus). -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From malonespam@cox.net Thu Dec 1 15:25:49 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Take command exiting... Date: 1 Dec 2005 12:14:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1133468058.066993.41880@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1133384455.038767.79060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1133386372.686029.66160@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1133415677.052842.20950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1133468063 23437 127.0.0.1 (1 Dec 2005 20:14:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:14:23 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1133415677.052842.20950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15462 Ok I understand what you are saying. I will have to try that. another question: is there a way to monitor keyboard activity during a script? i know it monitors the ctrl-C but can i monitor other keys like 'A' or 'V' maybe using the \v(kbchar) or kbhit ? thanks again.. Malone From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 15:43:02 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Take command exiting... Date: 1 Dec 2005 20:42:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <1133384455.038767.79060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1133386372.686029.66160@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1133415677.052842.20950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1133468058.066993.41880@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1133469755 22244 128.59.59.56 (1 Dec 2005 20:42:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Dec 2005 20:42:35 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15463 On 2005-12-01, malone wrote: : Ok I understand what you are saying. I will have to try that. : : another question: : is there a way to monitor keyboard activity during a script? : : i know it monitors the ctrl-C but can i monitor other keys like 'A' or : 'V' maybe using the \v(kbchar) or kbhit ? : Off the top of my head: IF KBHIT SET INPUT CANCELLATION ON ; lets you interrupt INPUT from the keyboard SET PAUSE CANCELLATION ON ; lets you interrupt PAUSE/SLEEP from the keyboard Ctrl-C can be trapped by a macro called ON_CTRLC Any command that times out, like PAUSE, SLEEP, or INPUT, can be interrupted by a keystroke if the corresponding SET xxx CANCELATION is ON, and the character that was typed is available in \v(kbhit). Let's see, what else... Commands like ASK and GETC and GETOK can be told to time out. So, for example, you can do something like this: set ask-timer 10 getc \%c "Press any key within 10 seconds to quit:" set ask-timer 0 echo if asktimeout { echo Continuing... } else { echo You typed: \%c end } - Frank From malonespam@cox.net Fri Dec 2 13:15:58 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Take command exiting... Date: 2 Dec 2005 06:14:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1133532843.931253.27740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1133384455.038767.79060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1133386372.686029.66160@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1133415677.052842.20950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1133468058.066993.41880@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1133532849 25918 127.0.0.1 (2 Dec 2005 14:14:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:14:09 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15464 I forgot about the Ask command Thank you I believe that will help me alot. Malone From g_stewart@umanitoba.ca Thu Dec 8 18:04:57 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Graham" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Http post Date: 6 Dec 2005 05:48:35 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1133876915.487599.165970@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.200.5.122 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1133876920 30648 127.0.0.1 (6 Dec 2005 13:48:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:48:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=205.200.5.122; posting-account=ISwuhA0AAADgT-GEaMkzqZ2RQk4x5ufb Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15465 Can anyone help me with a working example of using an HTTP POST request in kermit or point me to where some useful documentation is? -- Graham Stewart From mattsf@example.com Wed Dec 14 14:36:20 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!pln-e!lotsanews.com!nntpfeed.manyone.net!news.glorb.com!newspeer1.asbnva01.us.to.verio.net!129.250.35.102.MISMATCH!newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Matt SF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit8 and slow http downloads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:09:09 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.20.85.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net 1134583750 207.20.85.157 (Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:09:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:09:10 GMT Organization: NTT/VERIO Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15466 Hi all-- I know we're not supposed to say kermit is slow, but for my http downloads, it appears to be! :) I wrote to kermit-support but on second thought I probably shouldn't have bothered them without asking here first. so here goes: I have been using c-kermit on Solaris 8 recently with some scripts for file push and retrieval. For push, I'm doing ftp scripting. For retrievals, I'm using the http command set. They both work well in a scripting environment. One thing I notice though, doing an 'http get' on a file only gives me a download speed of about 16kB/s. Using 'wget' on the same file and same webserver, it comes down at over 200kB/s. I've tried my binary, a pre-compiled binary, using 'fast' on the kermit command line....I just can't figure out why it's running at such a slow download speed. My version is 8.0.211, Solaris 8, gcc, default compile options. Anyone have some ideas on how I can improve the speed? Thank you! -Matt From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:47:53 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit8 and slow http downloads Date: 14 Dec 2005 19:47:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1134589664 28322 128.59.59.56 (14 Dec 2005 19:47:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2005 19:47:44 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15467 On 2005-12-14, Matt SF wrote: : I know we're not supposed to say kermit is slow, but for my http : downloads, it appears to be! :) : : I wrote to kermit-support but on second thought I probably shouldn't : have bothered them without asking here first. so here goes: : : I have been using c-kermit on Solaris 8 recently with some scripts for : file push and retrieval. For push, I'm doing ftp scripting. For : retrievals, I'm using the http command set. They both work well in a : scripting environment. : : One thing I notice though, doing an 'http get' on a file only gives me a : download speed of about 16kB/s. Using 'wget' on the same file and same : webserver, it comes down at over 200kB/s. : : I've tried my binary, a pre-compiled binary, using 'fast' on the kermit : command line....I just can't figure out why it's running at such a slow : download speed. : : My version is 8.0.211, Solaris 8, gcc, default compile options. : : Anyone have some ideas on how I can improve the speed? Thank you! : I checked this locally just now. There does indeed seem to be some slowness in Kermit's HTTP GET. Downloading a 2MB file with Kermit HTTP I get 50K cps, versus 1002K cps with Kermit FTP from/to the same hosts. Slower by a factor of 20. On the other hand, I have had similar reports about Kermit FTP, which seem to happen only to certain people and not to anybody else. So maybe it's a universal problem with the HTTP code, or maybe it's particular to certain circumstances. I invite anybody who feels like an afternoon of fun to take a look at the routine http_get() in ckcnet.c. It's best if you look at the current working version of the code: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html A quick glance at the code shows there are two scenarios: chunked and non-chunked. The server announces which method to use. The non-chunked method looks like it might be really slow. Suggestion: add a debug() clause here: } else if (!ckstrcmp(buf,"Transfer-Encoding:",18,0)) { if ( ckindex("chunked",buf,18,0,0) != 0 ) chunked = 1; } to see which method was used. If non-chunked, probably what's needed is a whole new layer of buffering. - Frank From mattsf@example.com Wed Dec 14 17:38:19 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!newspeer1.asbnva01.us.to.verio.net!129.250.35.102.MISMATCH!newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Matt SF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit8 and slow http downloads References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Message-ID: <_f0of.57237$Tf5.29719@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:36:58 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.20.85.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net 1134596218 207.20.85.157 (Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:36:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:36:58 GMT Organization: NTT/VERIO Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15468 Frank da Cruz wrote: > I invite anybody who feels like an afternoon of fun to take a look at the > routine http_get() in ckcnet.c. It's best if you look at the current working > version of the code: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html > > A quick glance at the code shows there are two scenarios: chunked and > non-chunked. The server announces which method to use. The non-chunked > method looks like it might be really slow. Suggestion: add a debug() clause > here: > > } else if (!ckstrcmp(buf,"Transfer-Encoding:",18,0)) { > if ( ckindex("chunked",buf,18,0,0) != 0 ) > chunked = 1; > } > > to see which method was used. If non-chunked, probably what's needed is > a whole new layer of buffering. > > - Frank Frank and Jeffrey, thanks for replying! I thought it might be something along those lines like a change to the buffering code. Alas, this is way beyond my ability. :) I'll just keep an eye on the c-kermit development and see what happens. Meanwhile, it works great for the small automated ftp transfers I have to do a few days a week. Thanks for all your work on the project! -Matt From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 17:23:57 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit8 and slow http downloads Date: 15 Dec 2005 22:23:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <_f0of.57237$Tf5.29719@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1134685418 2873 128.59.59.56 (15 Dec 2005 22:23:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2005 22:23:38 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15469 On 2005-12-14, Matt SF wrote: : [About slow HTTP downloads...] : : Frank and Jeffrey, thanks for replying! I thought it might be something : along those lines like a change to the buffering code. Alas, this is : way beyond my ability. :) : : I'll just keep an eye on the c-kermit development and see what happens. : Meanwhile, it works great for the small automated ftp transfers I have : to do a few days a week. Thanks for all your work on the project! : Try it now: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From mwood-verio@example.com Thu Dec 22 10:01:36 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.glorb.com!newspeer1.asbnva01.us.to.verio.net!129.250.35.102.MISMATCH!newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Matt SF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit8 and slow http downloads References: <_f0of.57237$Tf5.29719@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1Ujqf.58669$Tf5.39693@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:34:52 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.20.85.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net 1135200893 207.20.85.157 (Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:34:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:34:53 GMT Organization: NTT/VERIO Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15470 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Try it now: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html > > - Frank wow, very nice! I grabbed the code and did a quick compile for Solaris 8 with gcc. I ran a few tests and found that its average http download speed for me now is around 350kB/s ! the comparison speed is about 1.1Mb/s via wget, same file, same webserver (this is across a switched WAN link). So the kermit may still be a bit CPU-bound in comparison, but it's plenty fast for me now. Plus, the client box I'm using is not quite the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy..Sun Ultra 10 with an ultraSparc IIi @ 300Mhz ... but at least it's solid :) Thank you, Frank! Happy Holidays! -Matt From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Dec 30 11:58:47 2005 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Long Files Date: 29 Dec 2005 23:49:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1135900174 20623 128.59.59.56 (29 Dec 2005 23:49:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Dec 2005 23:49:34 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15471 I just uploaded a test version of C-Kermit that incorporates the Single Unix Specification V2 Large File Support (LFS) API, which is used to access, manage, and transfer files bigger than 2MB (i.e. those whose lengths take between 32 to 63 bits to represent). I've tested it in Linux, Solaris, and Mac OS X. This version also uses the 64-bit signed integer data type for arithmetic in algebraic expressions and S-Expressions. It should be "trivial" to enable LFS support for any other platform that supports, such as AIX (which I no longer have access to). For the code and instructions, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 14:21:17 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.11 Date: 10 Jan 2006 00:16:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1136852201 8176 128.59.59.56 (10 Jan 2006 00:16:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2006 00:16:41 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15473 Today's upload adds large file support for FreeBSD, NetBSD 2.x, OpenBSD, HP-UX 11.x, and UnixWare 7.1. These are in addition to the platforms where large files were already supported, either by the "transitional interface" for 32-bit builds (Linux, Solaris, Mac OS X), or by virtue of being true 100% 64-bit builds (Tru64 Unix or Alpha, Linux on X86_64 or Alpha, FreeBSD on IA64, Solaris on Sparc when built as a 64-application, etc). In general the transitional interface is preferable, since pure 64-bit builds are a lot larger (on most platforms) than 32-bit builds that use a few 64-bit variables. Notably missing from the list are Solaris on Intel and AIX; I don't have access to either of these any more. Also any version of Solaris prior to 9. Also SCO OSR5 and Open Unix, which might or might not support large files, plus any others I didn't mention. As noted last time, every build that gets large file support also gets large-number arithmetic as a bonus: 64-bit integers. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From malonespam@cox.net Sun Jan 22 14:21:34 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ftp down Date: 12 Jan 2006 10:27:45 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1137090465.195801.28190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1137090470 20557 127.0.0.1 (12 Jan 2006 18:27:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:27:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15474 I tried connecting to the smple script directory (ftp://kermit.columbia.edu) but it is says that it is refused by the remote host. Is there a problem with the ftp server? I am interested in some sample http scripts. nothing specific yet. Thank you for the help. Malone From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Sun Jan 22 14:21:42 2006 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:12:22 +1030 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: what organisation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051007 Debian/1.7.12-1 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp down References: <1137090465.195801.28190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1137090465.195801.28190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1428.adelaide.on.net.au Message-ID: <43c70594@duster.adelaide.on.net> X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1137116564 150.101.65.147 (13 Jan 2006 12:12:44 +1050) Lines: 19 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!news-south.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15475 Try ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit For script help, browse the kermit pages from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Arthur. malone wrote: > I tried connecting to the smple script directory > (ftp://kermit.columbia.edu) but it is says that it is refused by the > remote host. > > Is there a problem with the ftp server? > > I am interested in some sample http scripts. nothing specific yet. > > Thank you for the help. > > Malone > From me@privacy.net Sun Jan 22 14:22:12 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news.glorb.com!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!news.highwinds-media.com!hw-filter.lga!fe06.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Gerry Belanger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp down References: <1137090465.195801.28190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1137090465.195801.28190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3KMxf.3$KZ.1@fe06.lga> X-Trace: dkoicekneficefklppffgobmlbhgibpnbnfejmcofgadabgifpebmphpojipfopddjbogdekdfnimmlnolcepfpblegecelagabfdhdkadmlpfaikmlpfbhgfcocnahoaombñê NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:07:27 MST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:07:35 -0500 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15476 malone wrote: > I tried connecting to the smple script directory > (ftp://kermit.columbia.edu) but it is says that it is refused by the > remote host. > > Is there a problem with the ftp server? If you were trying to access the FTP server form the same IP address you posted your message from, it won't work. Columbia's FTP server checks reverse and forward DNS. If they don't resolve, you don't get in. This is a security measure on their part. Their server, their rules. The IP you posted from, 66.210.191.2 resolves to COX-66-210-191-2.coxinet.net. Looking up that name fails to return the IP. You will have to take this up with COX. FWIW, I am having the same problem with Charter. I put in a trouble ticket back in November. No action yet. I have to access Columbia from work. There, our ISP knows what they are doing. You might try using a web proxy service. If their DNS is good, you should be ok. Gerry Belanger --- (above adx is ng.) From malonespam@cox.net Sun Jan 22 14:22:18 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp down Date: 15 Jan 2006 20:02:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1137384141.357545.252630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1137090465.195801.28190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <3KMxf.3$KZ.1@fe06.lga> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.189.107.146 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1137384146 2040 127.0.0.1 (16 Jan 2006 04:02:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:02:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <3KMxf.3$KZ.1@fe06.lga> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.189.107.146; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15477 Thank you, that answers my question. on why I could not get in to the FTP site. I believe I found the problem and can now access it. Malone From malonespam@cox.net Thu Jan 26 12:42:25 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HTTPS HELP Date: 23 Jan 2006 11:29:39 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1138044579.166358.317530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1138044584 22212 127.0.0.1 (23 Jan 2006 19:29:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:29:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15479 Is there a place that I can get more information on HTTPS file transfers? I am trying to download available files from an HTTPS connection. I can connect and get to where I need to be but I am not getting the data that I need in order to download the files. First the website that I am connecting to is written in JavaScript, (if that matters) Second I will not know the entire file name(s) that I need to retrieve. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. ~Malone From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Thu Jan 26 12:42:33 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:00:17 -0600 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Set host in C-Kermit Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:07:16 +0000 Message-ID: <43d7a1ac.166393953@giganews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-6vzlddm5HYOMr/4y0qhgY5DJDL94PY+kmCI/Ulk1wt9ufrDG0jI86ABHVy3Y0ZuJ0WGcIswoEDO0cvv!h2ZzfaJAZ9+jHj/cVEmrrk95/h9GzMj2m03mOOmRRmVmbMqaYYWV6wW9qr/tHbcuJcN/bQnwJ5Md!3cAKHD7Lv4kjSLi9Dg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15480 Hi, we use the command set host /network-type:tcp/ip 192.168.6.1 2000 in K95 to talk to another device that has been set host /server * 2000 We then Get and Send files. What's the equiv in C-Kermit8 in Unix (in this case SCO OS507) ? as set host doesn't work.... thanks, as ever -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Thu Jan 26 12:42:36 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:00:17 -0600 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Set host in C-Kermit Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:07:16 +0000 Message-ID: <43d7a1ac.166393953@giganews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-6vzlddm5HYOMr/4y0qhgY5DJDL94PY+kmCI/Ulk1wt9ufrDG0jI86ABHVy3Y0ZuJ0WGcIswoEDO0cvv!h2ZzfaJAZ9+jHj/cVEmrrk95/h9GzMj2m03mOOmRRmVmbMqaYYWV6wW9qr/tHbcuJcN/bQnwJ5Md!3cAKHD7Lv4kjSLi9Dg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15480 Hi, we use the command set host /network-type:tcp/ip 192.168.6.1 2000 in K95 to talk to another device that has been set host /server * 2000 We then Get and Send files. What's the equiv in C-Kermit8 in Unix (in this case SCO OS507) ? as set host doesn't work.... thanks, as ever -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Thu Jan 26 12:42:42 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:30:02 -0600 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Set host in C-Kermit Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:37:03 +0000 Message-ID: <43d99801.229453015@giganews.nildram.co.uk> References: <43d7a1ac.166393953@giganews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-KXK77cczic/4/kJGg5vBbubGla15jfLrsu7BCCwGXzcqscOHbO8+qTPiNJj0m0ppiV4y7mlr7OUnyvD!zQO6QGrs8lo2gxa7K6npaxUTCMf0CsUkuj1Ck+LmUrg5e0CaLRJO/zKaIuonCtYTDFQ6GGaZbHxr!a7WjvxUHKacBWl6YSQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15482 Thanks for the reply - not sure if Frank is on hols as I haven't had a response on the support@ email..... On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:08:32 GMT, Matthew Clarke wrote: -What error do you get from SET HOST? (/usr/bsl2/kermit/) C-Kermit>ver C-Kermit 8.0.209, 17 Mar 2003, for SCO OpenServer R5.0.7 Numeric: 800209 Type COPYRIGHT for copyright information. (/usr/bsl2/kermit/) C-Kermit>set host ?No keywords match - host (/usr/bsl2/kermit/) C-Kermit>set Does this imply the Openserver version has been complied with set host missing? regards -Rob -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From clamat@telus.net Thu Jan 26 12:42:53 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!clgrps13.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Set host in C-Kermit References: <43d7a1ac.166393953@giganews.nildram.co.uk> From: Matthew Clarke User-Agent: nn/6.7.2 Lines: 39 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:08:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.250.154.77 X-Trace: clgrps13 1138223312 205.250.154.77 (Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:08:32 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:08:32 MST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15481 Rob S writes: >Hi, we use the command set host /network-type:tcp/ip 192.168.6.1 2000 >in K95 to talk to another device that has been set host /server * 2000 >We then Get and Send files. >What's the equiv in C-Kermit8 in Unix (in this case SCO OS507) ? as set host >doesn't work.... Eh? Copy/n/paste from one of my systems, with elisions for privacy: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ C-Kermit 8.0.211, 10 Apr 2004, for OpenBSD Copyright (C) 1985, 2004, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/home/clamat/) C-Kermit>set host /network-type:tcp/ip 192.168.32.1 25 Trying 192.168.32.1... (OK) (/home/clamat/) C-Kermit>c Connecting to host 192.168.32.1:25 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. ---------------------------------------------------- 220 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ESMTP ... QUIT 221 Bye Communications disconnect (Back at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) ---------------------------------------------------- (/home/clamat/) C-Kermit>q ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What error do you get from SET HOST? Matt -- Snappy Quote: "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"* *some assembly required From ergeorge@pcisys.net Mon Jan 30 13:07:53 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: ergeorge@pcisys.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't dial out on OD-EMS-100 (Conexant ext serial) Date: 27 Jan 2006 11:44:01 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 199 Message-ID: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.221.32.160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1138391049 24056 127.0.0.1 (27 Jan 2006 19:44:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:44:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050922 Fedora/1.0.7-1.1.fc4 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.221.32.160; posting-account=TcPSzA0AAABNuwNBlKcn3P83HEEsLzrd Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15486 First the stats: Fedora Core 4 on x86 C-Kermit 8.0.211 OD-EMS-100 External Serial Modem (http://accent.dlink.com/Product/View.aspx?ProdID=3)Modem Modem Chipset: Conexant HSFi-CX11251-11 As the title says, I can't dial out?? I have an old US Robotics that I can dial out with fine on the same line, and the modem *is* powered on. Here's a sample session: C-Kermit>set line /dev/ttyS1 (/home/erg25994/REBR/libserial-0.5.1/examples/) C-Kermit>show modem Line: /dev/ttyS1, Modem type: generic Generic high-speed AT command set Modem capabilities: AT SB EC DC HWFC Modem carrier-watch: auto Modem maximum-speed: 115200 bps Modem error-correction: on Modem compression: on Modem speed-matching: off (interface speed is locked) Modem flow-control: auto Modem hangup-method: modem-command Modem speaker: on Modem volume: medium Modem kermit-spoof: off Modem escape-character: 43 (= "+") MODEM COMMANDs (* = set automatically by SET MODEM TYPE): * Init-string: (none) * Dial-mode-string: (none) * Dial-mode-prompt: (none) * Dial-command: ATD%s\{13} * Compression on: (none) * Compression off: (none) * Error-correction on: (none) * Error-correction off: (none) * Autoanswer on: ATS0=1\{13} * Autoanswer off: ATS0=0\{13} * Speaker on: (none) * Speaker off: (none) * Volume low: (none) * Volume medium: (none) * Volume high: (none) * Hangup-command: ATQ0H0\{13} * Hardware-flow: (none) * Software-flow: (none) * No-flow-control: (none) * Pulse: ATP\{13} * Tone: ATT\{13} * Ignore-dialtone: ATX3\{13} * Predial-init: (none) For more info: SHOW DIAL and SHOW COMMUNICATIONS C-Kermit> show dial Line: /dev/ttyS1, Modem type: generic, speed: 9600, carrier: auto Dial status: -1 = (none) Dial directory: (none) Dial method: auto Dial sort: on Dial hangup: on Dial display: off Dial retries: (auto) Dial interval: 10 Dial timeout: 0 (auto) Redial number: (none) Dial confirmation: off Dial convert-directory: ask Dial ignore-dialtone: off Dial pacing: -1 Dial prefix: (none) Dial suffix: (none) Dial country-code: (none) Dial connect: auto verbose Dial area-code: (none) Dial restrict: none Dial lc-area-codes: (none) Dial lc-prefix: (none) Dial lc-suffix: (none) Dial ld-prefix: (none) Dial ld-suffix: (none) Dial force-long-distance off Dial intl-prefix: (none) Dial intl-suffix: (none) Dial toll-free-area-code: (none) Dial pulse-countries: (none) Dial tone-countries: 1 31 32 33 352 353 354 358 39 44 45 46 47 49 Dial toll-free-prefix: (none) Dial pbx-exchange: (none) Dial pbx-inside-prefix: (none) Dial pbx-outside-prefix: (none) Dial macro: (none) Type SHOW MODEM to see modem settings. Type SHOW COMMUNICATIONS to see modem signals. show communications Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/ttyS1, speed: 9600, mode: local, modem: generic Parity: none, stop-bits: (default) (8N1) Duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier-watch: auto, close-on-disconnect: off Lockfile: /etc/locks/LCK..ttyS1 Terminal bytesize: 8, escape character: 28 (^\) Carrier Detect (CD): Off Dataset Ready (DSR): On Clear To Send (CTS): On Ring Indicator (RI): Off Data Terminal Ready (DTR): On Request To Send (RTS): On Type SHOW DIAL to see DIAL-related items. Type SHOW MODEM to see modem-related items. set dial method tone SET DIAL display on dial 91234567 Trying: 91234567... Device: /dev/ttyS1, modem: generic, speed: 9600 Dial timeout: 70 seconds To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). Hangup OK Initializing: 12:15:00... ATQ0V1 OK Dialing: 12:15:01... ATDT91234567 NO DIALTONE DIAL Failure: 12:15:10: "NO DIALTONE" ************************* DIAL-class command failed. Modem type: generic Device: /dev/ttyS1 Speed: 9600 Dial status: 24 [No dialtone] . Is the modem connected to the telephone line? . Please choose a specific modem type with SET MODEM TYPE and try again. SET MODEM TYPE ? to see the list of known modem types. . SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD MODEM-COMMAND and try again. . If that doesn't work, try again with SET DIAL HANGUP OFF. . SHOW COMMUNICATIONS, SHOW MODEM, SHOW DIAL to see current settings. . HELP SET MODEM, HELP SET DIAL, and HELP DIAL for more information. (Use SET HINTS OFF to suppress future hints.) ************************* **At this point I try the suggestions regarding the hangup type with no improvement*** set modem type conexant dial 91234567 Trying: 91234567..l. Device: /dev/ttyS1, modem: conexant, speed: 9600 Dial timeout: 70 seconds To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). +++ATQ0H0 OK Modem hangup OK Initializing: 12:19:37... ATQ0 ATQ0 OK AT&K3 OK ATQ0V1X4&C1&D2%E1+FCLASS=0 OK AT&Q5 OK AT%C3 OK ATM1L2 OK ATS2=43S7=70 OK Dialing: 12:19:38... ATDT91234567 NO DIALTONE DIAL Failure: 12:19:47: "NO DIALTONE" ************************* DIAL-class command failed. Modem type: conexant Device: /dev/ttyS1 Speed: 9600 Dial status: 24 [No dialtone] . Is the modem connected to the telephone line? . Are you sure you have chosen the appropriate modem type? . SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232 and try again. . If that doesn't work, try again with SET DIAL HANGUP OFF. . SHOW COMMUNICATIONS, SHOW MODEM, SHOW DIAL to see current settings. . HELP SET MODEM, HELP SET DIAL, and HELP DIAL for more information. (Use SET HINTS OFF to suppress future hints.) ************************* Again, I went through the various hangup option. Any ideas? From ergeorge@pcisys.net Mon Jan 30 13:08:02 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: ergeorge@pcisys.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't dial out on OD-EMS-100 (Conexant ext serial) Date: 27 Jan 2006 12:24:19 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1138393459.758208.291030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.221.32.160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1138393464 29832 127.0.0.1 (27 Jan 2006 20:24:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050922 Fedora/1.0.7-1.1.fc4 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.221.32.160; posting-account=TcPSzA0AAABNuwNBlKcn3P83HEEsLzrd Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15487 A bit more info - the chipset I listed above is wrong - apparently they use the same manual for their internal PCI modems. I pulled the cover off and found the following on a large chip inside: CONEXANT CX06827-11 AGOQN.4 0408 KOREA From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Mon Jan 30 13:08:07 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't dial out on OD-EMS-100 (Conexant ext serial) Date: 27 Jan 2006 13:01:31 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1138393797.894750.278740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1138395696 9242 127.0.0.1 (27 Jan 2006 21:01:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:01:36 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15488 ergeorge@pcisys.net wrote: > First the stats: > > Fedora Core 4 on x86 > C-Kermit 8.0.211 > Again, I went through the various hangup option. > Any ideas? Can you hear the dial tone? Does the modem have 2 RJ11's? Is one labeled phone and the other wall? Is the line from the wall plug inserted in the RJ11 labeled wall. When you use the working modem is it with the same phone line, the same RJ11 in the wall? Regards...Dan. From ergeorge@pcisys.net Mon Jan 30 13:08:09 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!198.186.190.250.MISMATCH!news-out.readnews.com!news-pusher.readnews.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: ergeorge@pcisys.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't dial out on OD-EMS-100 (Conexant ext serial) Date: 30 Jan 2006 07:44:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1138635882.076414.36350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> References: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1138393797.894750.278740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.221.32.160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1138635887 18644 127.0.0.1 (30 Jan 2006 15:44:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:44:47 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1138393797.894750.278740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050922 Fedora/1.0.7-1.1.fc4 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.221.32.160; posting-account=TcPSzA0AAABNuwNBlKcn3P83HEEsLzrd Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15489 > Can you hear the dial tone? No > Does the modem have 2 RJ11's? No - it doesn't have a paas-through, just the wall jack. > Is one labeled phone and the other wall? > Is the line from the wall plug inserted in the RJ11 labeled wall. Like I said, only one jack. > When you use the working modem is it with the same phone line, > the same RJ11 in the wall? Yep - I've also tried to call that number from a regular phone, but it doesn't answer. I figure that may just be the auto-answer though. Thanks Eric From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Mon Jan 30 13:12:20 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.mediascape.de!newsfeeder.wxs.nl!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can /gui & /popup be used in the GUI? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:31:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.20.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1138444303 156.34.20.49 (Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:31:43 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:31:43 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15485 I'm trying to find out if "ask /gui ....." can be used in the Terminal (GUI). Logically I would think so but I can't get it to work. For the time being, I have definitions setup, with /gui, that are invoked as a \kverb, with a Connect command at the end. Avoids using Alt X to switch screens. It does work pretty good actually. Process: Press Ctrl B, the prompt comes up, as well as the popup window. Info is added. Once complete, it jumps back to the Terminal. I'm looking to develop a popup window that works universally like Alt H (The Help window). Is this possible? Basic info: v2.1.3 Using wy370 From rosek@alxn.com Tue Feb 7 14:09:25 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "K.Rose" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 ver 2.1 and SECURED FTP automated connection Date: 26 Jan 2006 12:28:17 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 64 Message-ID: <1138304696.901584.44500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.116.183.142 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1138307303 23187 127.0.0.1 (26 Jan 2006 20:28:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:28:23 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=63.116.183.142; posting-account=E0Bndg0AAADHM1P1KcY5WfSC0Rso1Tep Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15484 We recently purchased Kermit 95 ver 2.1. I'm new to the product. From an XP client I'm able to schedule and launch K95 via a batch file and have it run a .KSC script. The script uses FTP and sucessfully logs in anonymously to a W2K3 server running SP1 and Microsoft ftp service/IIS ver 6.0. The put with parameters is working great. So here is my question. I don't always trust Microsoft and so do not want to be faked out. Below is my script. What I'm hoping is that it is a "SECURED FTP connection" (minus the anonymous part) so do all these SET parameters work against a W2K3 server or goes the ftp connection need to be made to some complimenting host also running a Kermit product? SET AUTHENTICATION SSL VERIFY ;SET AUTH SSL CERTS-OK SET FTP AUTHTYPE SSL SET FTP AUTOLOGIN ON ;SET FTP COMMAND-PROTECTION-LEVEL PRIVATE ;SET FTP DATA-PROTECTION-LEVEL PRIVATE SET TRANSACTION-LOG VERBOSE SET TRANSFER DISPLAY OFF SET FTP DISPLAY OFF SET FTP PROGRESS-MESSAGES OFF SET TRANSACTION-LOG FTP SET FTP DISPLAY BRIEF set locus local ; Next position to high level LOCAL directory LCD c:\ LCD c:\Junk set locus auto ; Next delete audit trail before starting if exist LDASFTPLOG.txt del LDASFTPLOG.txt LOG TRANSACTIONS LDASFTPLOG.txt wait 5 ftp ALXN-VMD-QC01 /anonymous if fail exit 1 Connection failed if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 Login failed undefine \%p ; Next position to high level TARGET directory ftp cd LDAS ftp cd \%1 ftp cd \BACKUP ;if fail exit 1 ftp cd working: \v(ftp_message) ;Now we upload the file(s): ftp mput /recursive *.txt *.pdf ftp bye exit exit From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 14:27:51 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 ver 2.1 and SECURED FTP automated connection Date: 7 Feb 2006 19:27:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <1138304696.901584.44500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1139340441 29898 128.59.59.56 (7 Feb 2006 19:27:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Feb 2006 19:27:21 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15497 On 2006-01-26, K.Rose wrote: : We recently purchased Kermit 95 ver 2.1. I'm new to the product. From : an XP client I'm able to schedule and launch K95 via a batch file and : have it run a .KSC script. The script uses FTP and sucessfully logs in : anonymously to a W2K3 server running SP1 and Microsoft ftp service/IIS : ver 6.0. The put with parameters is working great. So here is my : question. : : I don't always trust Microsoft and so do not want to be faked out. : Kermit verifies that the remote host is who it claims to be, using whatever methods are made available by the connection and security methods you are using, including (on Internet connections) reverse DNS lookups and (on secure connections) higher-level authentication methods such as X.509 certificates. : Below is my script. What I'm hoping is that it is a "SECURED FTP : connection" (minus the anonymous part) so do all these SET parameters : work against a W2K3 server or goes the ftp connection need to be made : to some complimenting host also running a Kermit product? : I recommend you read the FTP client manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit80.html#ftp as well as the Kermit Security Reference: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security80.html If you want to watch what is happening while the connection is being made, use "set auth ssl debug on". If you want to check the security of the connection after it is made, look at the \v(ftp_security) variable. If it has an empty value, you don't have a secure connection. In this case it should be "SSL". Also (I don't have a way to check this right now), you might also want to examine the values of \v(authname), \v(authstate), and \v(authtype). : SET AUTHENTICATION SSL VERIFY : ;SET AUTH SSL CERTS-OK : SET FTP AUTHTYPE SSL : SET FTP AUTOLOGIN ON : ;SET FTP COMMAND-PROTECTION-LEVEL PRIVATE : ;SET FTP DATA-PROTECTION-LEVEL PRIVATE : SET TRANSACTION-LOG VERBOSE : : SET TRANSFER DISPLAY OFF : SET FTP DISPLAY OFF : SET FTP PROGRESS-MESSAGES OFF : : SET TRANSACTION-LOG FTP : SET FTP DISPLAY BRIEF : set locus local : "set locus local" gives you an orientation for file management commands that most people would not expect in an FTP client: local rather than remote. : ; Next position to high level LOCAL directory : : LCD c:\ : LCD c:\Junk : Anyway, if you use LCD and RCD (or FTP CD) rather than just CD, the LOCUS setting is superfluous. : set locus auto : This only has an effect when you make a connection. In general, Kermit should be set up correctly for most situations out of the box, and it should not be necessary to issue a huge number of SET commands. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 14:28:26 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't dial out on OD-EMS-100 (Conexant ext serial) Date: 30 Jan 2006 18:12:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1138393797.894750.278740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1138635882.076414.36350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1138644728 26474 128.59.59.56 (30 Jan 2006 18:12:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jan 2006 18:12:08 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15490 On 2006-01-30, ergeorge@pcisys.net wrote: :> Can you hear the dial tone? : : No : :> Does the modem have 2 RJ11's? : : No - it doesn't have a paas-through, just the wall jack. : :> Is one labeled phone and the other wall? :> Is the line from the wall plug inserted in the RJ11 labeled wall. : : Like I said, only one jack. : :> When you use the working modem is it with the same phone line, :> the same RJ11 in the wall? : : Yep - I've also tried to call that number from a regular phone, but it : doesn't answer. I figure that may just be the auto-answer though. : If the modem says NO DIALTONE, that means it is not detecting a dialtone. Kermit has no control over that, it's something between your modem and the phone company. Kermit only sees the "other side" of the modem, the digital data side, where the messages come out. If you think it's OK to dial anyway, even though the modem doesn't detect dialtone, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x2.1.6 Although it might seem that this information is hidden away rather well (and perhaps it is), I found it right away by searching for DIALTON in the search box on the Kermit Project home page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From ergeorge@pcisys.net Tue Feb 7 14:28:31 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.germany.com!news2.volia.net!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: ergeorge@pcisys.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't dial out on OD-EMS-100 (Conexant ext serial) Date: 30 Jan 2006 10:48:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1138646908.529518.161280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> References: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1138393797.894750.278740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1138635882.076414.36350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.221.32.160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1138646913 13594 127.0.0.1 (30 Jan 2006 18:48:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:48:33 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050922 Fedora/1.0.7-1.1.fc4 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.221.32.160; posting-account=TcPSzA0AAABNuwNBlKcn3P83HEEsLzrd Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15492 Just tried that "blind-dialing" command. I can now hear it dial, but still can't hear the dial tone. And nothing out the other end (ie. the dialed number doesn't ring). I'm beginning to think this is just a defective POS that I should take back over lunch. Thanks again Eric From ergeorge@pcisys.net Tue Feb 7 14:28:36 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: ergeorge@pcisys.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't dial out on OD-EMS-100 (Conexant ext serial) Date: 30 Jan 2006 12:47:57 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1138654077.715719.234180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1138391041.468389.305500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1138393797.894750.278740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1138635882.076414.36350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1138646908.529518.161280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.221.32.160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1138654082 31214 127.0.0.1 (30 Jan 2006 20:48:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:48:02 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1138646908.529518.161280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050922 Fedora/1.0.7-1.1.fc4 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.221.32.160; posting-account=TcPSzA0AAABNuwNBlKcn3P83HEEsLzrd Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15493 Took it back over lunch and picked up a Creative Modem Blaster - $10 more but it worked on the first try! Definitely a more solid feeling piece of hardware as well. From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 14:29:02 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can /gui & /popup be used in the GUI? Date: 30 Jan 2006 18:19:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1138645162 26474 128.59.59.56 (30 Jan 2006 18:19:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jan 2006 18:19:22 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15491 On 2006-01-28, Scott Caissie wrote: : I'm trying to find out if "ask /gui ....." can be used in the Terminal : (GUI). Logically I would think so but I can't get it to work. : : For the time being, I have definitions setup, with /gui, that are invoked as : a \kverb, with a Connect command at the end. Avoids using Alt X to switch : screens. It does work pretty good actually. : Process: Press Ctrl B, the prompt comes up, as well as the popup window. : Info is added. Once complete, it jumps back to the Terminal. : : I'm looking to develop a popup window that works universally like Alt H (The : Help window). Is this possible? : : Basic info: v2.1.3 : Using wy370 : It should be possible but (no) thanks to a bug in the current version, I don't think you can do it. The bug is that the "macros on keys" feature doesn't work; but number 735 in the New bugs list: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/newbugs.txt This will be fixed in the next release: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html I can't give you a date for the next release but as noted on the Support page, you can get a preview that contains this fix, for a fee. - Frank From nospam@killspam.org Tue Feb 7 14:29:13 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1138662868.847718.244330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Modem hangup problem Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:27:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1139012825 24.148.161.18 (Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:27:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:27:05 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15494 This works fine for small files. but when I try to send a larger file (256K) at some point one or the other modem hangs up or breaks the connection at some random point. So far the best I've gotten across is ~215K The file that is being sent is a simple binary file - 0 to 255 repeating. Send a test file with just standard a-z ascii chars of arbitrarily large size. You may have a data sequence that is being interpreted as a control signal. From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 14:29:27 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem hangup problem Date: 4 Feb 2006 07:55:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1139068540.667200.46950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1138662868.847718.244330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1139068545 29306 127.0.0.1 (4 Feb 2006 15:55:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:55:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060111 Netscape/8.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15495 Kelvin Smith wrote: > > Have you played with maximum packet sizes? I've found that sometimes > reducing the maximum size makes a borderline connection less likely to > choke. (SET RECEIVE PACKET n; you might want to try n=90 to start with.) My understanding of the OP is that this is a straight text send/capture, not a protocol transfer, so things like packet size aren't relevant. I'm guessing it's some kind of flow control issue. Maybe the receiver is choking and tries to stop the data and the sender keeps sending and eventually chokes the receiving modem buffer or something like that. Possibly reducing the speed of the sender will help if that's going to be an option in the real case. Or maybe 'set flow none' on the receiver which would result in data loss rather than a lost connection if this is the issue. Not a good thing, but it might help pinpoint the problem. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro -at- value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Fri Feb 24 14:36:52 2006 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:16:38 +1030 From: Arthur Marsh Organization: what organisation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060205 Debian/1.7.12-1.1 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help @ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp851.adelaide.on.net.au Message-ID: <43fef21f@duster.adelaide.on.net> X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1140781599 150.101.77.82 (24 Feb 2006 22:16:39 +1050) Lines: 16 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!news-south.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15499 Hi, a minor nitpick with the latest daily build: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.14, 23 Feb 2006, for Linux Copyright (C) 1985, 2006, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>help @ ?Invalid - help @ ?Invalid: help @ (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>help Regards, Arthur. From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 15:44:27 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help @ Date: 24 Feb 2006 20:43:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <43fef21f@duster.adelaide.on.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1140813837 11548 128.59.59.56 (24 Feb 2006 20:43:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2006 20:43:57 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15500 On 2006-02-24, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Hi, a minor nitpick with the latest daily build: : : C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.14, 23 Feb 2006, for Linux : Copyright (C) 1985, 2006, : Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. : Type ? or HELP for help. : (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>help @ : : ?Invalid - help @ : ?Invalid: help @ : (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>help : This will be fixed in the next upload, and a few others like it, like "help ^", "help #", and "help ;". Thanks for noticing, no one else would :-) - Frank From DHarrold@wi.rr.com Fri Feb 24 16:21:12 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!bolzen.all.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Harrold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Building SSL support on VMS V7.3-2 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:50:39 -0600 Lines: 34 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net xJTamWyHYZYrALnhwwTKpg/ijfOleiSWvv5ZVPZP+CjK3ky3YX X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.2/32.830 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15501 We have a requirment an FTP connection over SSL from our system to an external provider. I pulled the latest daily build kit down and rebuilt using the SSL option. @ckvker.com s D "CK_SSL, NODEBUG" Which resulted in this version of kermit: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.13, 9 Feb 2006, for OpenVMS Alpha Copyright (C) 1985, 2006, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit> Following the examples in the security guide, I am running into problems. The SET FTP commands do not seem to exist in this executable I built. UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit>set ftp ?No keywords match - ftp UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit>set So, can anyone help me get past this problem? Thanks, Dave Harrold .............................................................................. David Harrold E-Mail: David.Harrold@aurora.org Lead Software Systems Engineer Phone: (414) 647-6204 Pager: (414) 941-4634 Aurora Health Care Fax: (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215 From DHarrold@wi.rr.com Fri Feb 24 16:21:16 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!bolzen.all.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Harrold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Building SSL support on VMS V7.3-2 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:50:39 -0600 Lines: 34 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net xJTamWyHYZYrALnhwwTKpg/ijfOleiSWvv5ZVPZP+CjK3ky3YX X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.2/32.830 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15501 We have a requirment an FTP connection over SSL from our system to an external provider. I pulled the latest daily build kit down and rebuilt using the SSL option. @ckvker.com s D "CK_SSL, NODEBUG" Which resulted in this version of kermit: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.13, 9 Feb 2006, for OpenVMS Alpha Copyright (C) 1985, 2006, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit> Following the examples in the security guide, I am running into problems. The SET FTP commands do not seem to exist in this executable I built. UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit>set ftp ?No keywords match - ftp UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit>set So, can anyone help me get past this problem? Thanks, Dave Harrold .............................................................................. David Harrold E-Mail: David.Harrold@aurora.org Lead Software Systems Engineer Phone: (414) 647-6204 Pager: (414) 941-4634 Aurora Health Care Fax: (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215 From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 16:28:32 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Building SSL support on VMS V7.3-2 Date: 24 Feb 2006 21:28:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1140816486 13366 128.59.59.56 (24 Feb 2006 21:28:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2006 21:28:06 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15502 comp.os.vms:441732 On 2006-02-24, Dave Harrold wrote: (Referring to the latest C-Kermit build:) http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html : We have a requirment an FTP connection over SSL from our system to an : external provider. I pulled the latest daily build kit down and : rebuilt using the SSL option. : : @ckvker.com s D "CK_SSL, NODEBUG" : : Which resulted in this version of kermit: : : C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.13, 9 Feb 2006, for OpenVMS Alpha : Copyright (C) 1985, 2006, : Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. : Type ? or HELP for help. : UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit> : : Following the examples in the security guide, I am running into : problems. The SET FTP commands do not seem to exist in this : executable I built. : Right, as noted on the website the FTP client is available only in the Unix version of C-Kermit and in Kermit 95. : UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit>set ftp ?No keywords match - ftp : UTILITY:[KERMIT.SOURCE] C-Kermit>set : : So, can anyone help me get past this problem? : Only by adapting the FTP module (ckcftp.c) to VMS. This would be a rather major undertaking, even by someone who would know how to do it: . DEC C programmer . RMS programming for accessing the local file system . Familiarity with the various TCP/IP stacks used in VMS . Familiarity with FTP and security protocols . Familiarity with VMS-specific FTP protocols Over the last few years I've spoken to almost everyone who has this set of skills, but none of them has time to work on it, although everyone agrees it would be a great addition to the VMS toolbag, if it were done: a secure, scriptable FTP client for VMS. - Frank From kth@srv.net Wed Mar 1 10:04:07 2006 Subject: Re: Building SSL support on VMS V7.3-2 From: Kevin Handy Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1140996160_6965@sp6iad.superfeed.net> References: <43FF9282.DF9231A8@comcast.net> Lines: 49 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news-out.superfeed.net!sp6iad.superfeed.net!sp6iad.superfeed.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <43FF9282.DF9231A8@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to . Forward a copy of ALL headers INCLUDING the body. (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone,support,nor tolerate spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15505 comp.os.vms:441921 David J Dachtera wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>On 2006-02-24, Dave Harrold wrote: >> > >> . RMS programming for accessing the local file system > > > Use the C built-ins? I don't think these are very versitile in handling all the attributes VMS files have. Especially with Indexed files. > >> . Familiarity with VMS-specific FTP protocols > > > I wasn't aware there were any, since TCP/IP is a layered product and not > so much "built into" the kernel, as in UN*X-land. ...unless, of course, > you're talking about file naming conventions and trying to translate > between VMS and platforms where filespecs are more "free form". Don't VMS FTP products usually have some "extra" stuff for transferring RMS attributes, such as Indexes, block sizes, etc. These don't usually survive a trip through non-VMS machines, and are often necessary to make a file usable on VMS. You could ignore the attributes, but then you'd be stuck with transferring text files or binaty files only. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- From djesys.nospam@comcast.net Wed Mar 1 10:04:24 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.dls.net!news.dls.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:40:37 -0600 Message-ID: <440274DE.A51462D2@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:41:18 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Reply-To: djesysno@spam.earthlink.net Organization: DJE Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Building SSL support on VMS V7.3-2 References: <43FF9282.DF9231A8@comcast.net> <1140996160_6965@sp6iad.superfeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.15.149.110 X-AuthenticatedUsername: djesys@dls.net X-Trace: sv3-DcmTGV1PbVH2iO2d36xLvUfuk3cB06wK1glCEjlnIW9YKouuR9O37+VQ7mDhGzUX0W4Z32ViVE996QX!IcZDX0gHqG1PE3hSbjrVGAwNnXVZuS5TrDUPZYNqeXg8NbSstwVk9/d982BUv1dsESw6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@dls.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dls.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15506 comp.os.vms:441938 Kevin Handy wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > >>On 2006-02-24, Dave Harrold wrote: > >> > > > > >> . RMS programming for accessing the local file system > > > > > > Use the C built-ins? > > I don't think these are very versitile in handling all > the attributes VMS files have. Especially with Indexed > files. Indexed files are inappropriate candidates for FTP, in many cases. > > > >> . Familiarity with VMS-specific FTP protocols > > > > > > I wasn't aware there were any, since TCP/IP is a layered product and not > > so much "built into" the kernel, as in UN*X-land. ...unless, of course, > > you're talking about file naming conventions and trying to translate > > between VMS and platforms where filespecs are more "free form". > > Don't VMS FTP products usually have some "extra" stuff for > transferring RMS attributes, such as Indexes, block sizes, > etc. Depends. Multinet transfers RMS files to Multinet successfully, but not to UCX. Can't say about TCPware. UCX transfers RMS files to UCX successfully (according to the doc.'s - I've yet to see it work as late as V5.4 ECO-4), but not to Multinet. > These don't usually ...try "never"... > survive a trip through non-VMS > machines, and are often necessary to make a file usable on > VMS. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 10:04:40 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mouse scroll wheel in Kermit 95? Date: 24 Feb 2006 14:02:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1140818534.535615.255830@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.149.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1140818539 7015 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2006 22:02:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:02:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.89.149.244; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15504 I just purchased Kermit 95, and unfortunately the scrollback feature does not seem to work with the scroll wheel on my mouse. I'm using a standard Dell optical mouse (which I believe is a Logitech mouse). Are there any special settings I can make in either the mouse driver or in Kermit 95 to make this work? This would be very nice to have. From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 10:04:59 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mouse scroll wheel in Kermit 95? Date: 24 Feb 2006 16:06:12 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 48 Message-ID: <1140825972.873575.75100@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1140818534.535615.255830@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1140825979 8514 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2006 00:06:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:06:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060111 Netscape/8.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15503 tomviolin wrote: > > Are there any special settings I can make in either the mouse driver or > in Kermit 95 to make this work? This would be very nice to have. Good question. I've never given this much thought, but I have a mouse with a wheel that works in most windows apps, but apparently not in k95g in spite of which says in part "K95G lets you scroll back and forth through both the Terminal and Command screens using the scroll bar in the normal Windows way: push the slider in the desired direction; click on the the little arrowheads at top or bottom of the scrollbar; click above or below the slider; or use your mouse wheel if you have one." Also, the manual has a similar statement in the "Scrolling the Window" subsection of docs/manual/kermit95.htm#c3win The other interesting things are when I show mouse it says Button Count: 2 ... Button 3 Double-Click = Kverb: \Kpaste but neither the wheel nor wheel (button 3) double-click have any effect. If I set mouse debug on wheel clicks are recognized and reported along with pointer position, e.g. Mouse Event: (76,23) Click but the button is not identified. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 10:45:26 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mouse scroll wheel in Kermit 95? Date: 1 Mar 2006 15:39:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <1140818534.535615.255830@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1140825972.873575.75100@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1141227587 13155 128.59.59.56 (1 Mar 2006 15:39:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2006 15:39:47 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15507 On 2006-02-25, Mark Sapiro wrote: : tomviolin wrote: :> :> Are there any special settings I can make in either the mouse driver or :> in Kermit 95 to make this work? This would be very nice to have. : : Good question. I've never given this much thought, but I have a mouse : with a wheel that works in most windows apps, but apparently not in : k95g... : I confess, all this is a mystery to me. The behavior is different from one machine to another. I have two PCs in my office, both with K95G 2.1.3 and Windows XP. The mouse wheel works fine in Kermit on one of them (machine A), and not at all on the other (B). This is clearly a Windows issue and not a Kermit one. If Windows feeds Kermit the mouse wheel events, Kermit knows what to do with them. The Kermit scrolling that you see when the mouse wheel does work is being done by Kermit itself. I have Photoshop on the same two machines, and the same is true there. The mouse wheel works as expected on machine A (e.g. for scrolling an enlarged image vertically) but not at all on machine B. Yet the wheel works fine on Macnine B in other applications such as IE and Firefox. : show mouse [says]: : : Button Count: 2 : ... : Button 3 Double-Click = Kverb: \Kpaste : My machine A says the same thing, yet the wheel button does something -- "Autoscroll". Going into the Mouse folder of the Control Panel, I see that's exactly what it's configured to do. You can change this in the Mouse Properties dialog, but it seems you can't assign "Click" to it because Click can only be assigned to one button and it's already assigned to Button 1. The same is true for the thumb buttons on (e.g.) the InteliMouse Explorer. Thus it would seem to be impossible to program buttons 3 or above in Kermit because Windows won't let them generate a simple click event. What about the turning the wheel. Go to the Wheel tab in the Mouse Properties dialog ... Hmmm, well this is a mystery. I have entirely different Mouse Properties dialogs on the two machines, even though the OS and patch level are identical, and the machines are both Dell. Go figure. On the machine where wheel scrolling works, the Wheel tab has a "Wheel Troubleshooter" section: "Click Troubleshooter if the wheel does not work as expected". It also has an "Advanced" button. On the (newer) machine B, where wheel scrolling doesn't work, there are no such features on the Wheel tab. Perfect. Maybe this information will provide some clues to someone who understands Windows better than I do. - Frank From nobody@this.com Fri Mar 3 14:18:05 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:43:39 -0600 From: nodialtone Subject: PowerTerm Source Code Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:48:20 -0500 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.88.140.161 X-Trace: sv3-SPOLjjhCOnhQpHWi1S9+aBwuzl4J8WDYYdqTQqCELrqJYDP63PYd3fWh/EmAk6tFAXZ+Lk4/295zyC9!HIhpx3Ucpe4pWWMZjMDDfz5NVIIxgVDvDeA+ixrBe518E4xy0up3Z/rlXJ0IAWEzkbsdNc8wssGV!/phpGtnWQg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15509 All, I have released some old code I wrote 13+ years ago. An MSDOS based pr00gie I used for BBS'n. Has all the popular emulations, protocols builtin to include kermit. http://www.iatechconsulting.com From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Mar 3 14:18:11 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newsfeed.icl.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mouse scroll wheel in Kermit 95? References: <1140818534.535615.255830@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1140825972.873575.75100@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7ijNf.994$nB6.422@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:42:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1141227779 68.175.91.105 (Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:42:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:42:59 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15508 Frank da Cruz wrote: > I confess, all this is a mystery to me. The behavior is different from one > machine to another. I have two PCs in my office, both with K95G 2.1.3 and > Windows XP. The mouse wheel works fine in Kermit on one of them (machine A), > and not at all on the other (B). This is clearly a Windows issue and not a > Kermit one. If Windows feeds Kermit the mouse wheel events, Kermit knows what > to do with them. The Kermit scrolling that you see when the mouse wheel does > work is being done by Kermit itself. > > I have Photoshop on the same two machines, and the same is true there. The > mouse wheel works as expected on machine A (e.g. for scrolling an enlarged > image vertically) but not at all on machine B. Yet the wheel works fine on > Macnine B in other applications such as IE and Firefox. If your mouse driver maps the wheel to scroll events then it will work. If your mouse driver does not map the wheel to scroll events then it will not work. Kermit 95 was written before there were mouse wheels. As such it does not support them. You need to rely on the compatibility mode of the mouse drivers. Jeffrey Altman From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Thu Mar 9 09:28:51 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: closing a macro completely upon connect Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:28:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.15.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1141892890 156.34.15.45 (Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:28:10 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:28:10 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15510 Hi, I have a little problem with a macro I have. I get "Macros nested too deeply" when used many times in a row. K95 2.1.3, wy370? I think is the layout. I have a hotkey which runs a quick macro. It switches from the Terminal to the Command window to process the info. Then when it is done, it goes back to the Terminal window via the Connect command. (I know this is a bug. I'm still waiting for the fix, but this method has been working for me in general. But seriously I want that fix so badly). Now when I keep using the "same" macro over and over again, it seems that its not closing properly. I get a message saying "Macros nested too deeply". It is doing this predictably at 20 tries. I can't post the all the code here but I'll post how I'm starting/ending the macro: define XXXX { local \%x local \%y undeclare \&a undeclare \&b declare \&a[50] declare \&b[50] save terminal scrollback scroll.txt file count /lines fseek 0 /line \v(count)-30 (syntax might be off, I'm going from memory here. its basically going to the last 30 lines of the file. The arrays are used to store each line as well as additional info) ...... can't really post whats here. ...... file close all undeclare \&a undeclare \&b connect return } Now the users never go to the Command window on their own. Nor are they ever expected to. Pressing the hotkey basically makes the screen blink as it switches to the command and back to the terminal in a split second. The "Connect" command is basically disabling the the rest of the code from doing its job while you are in the Terminal which includes it's own completion. Altnernating macros seems to be ok. But using the same one over and over is a problem. I can't think of any other reason why I'm getting the "Macros nested too deeply" error aside from the macros not ending right. - Scott From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Thu Mar 9 09:28:56 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:41:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1141897296 68.175.91.105 (Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:41:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:41:36 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15511 Scott Caissie wrote: > (I know this is a bug. I'm still waiting for the fix, but this method has > been working for me in general. But seriously I want that fix so badly). Until Columbia University decides to release a new version, fixes are available from Secure Endpoints Inc. as documented at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html#k95 From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 09:38:37 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Date: 9 Mar 2006 14:37:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1141915028 19679 128.59.59.56 (9 Mar 2006 14:37:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Mar 2006 14:37:08 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15513 On 2006-03-09, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : Scott Caissie wrote: : :> (I know this is a bug. I'm still waiting for the fix, but this method has :> been working for me in general. But seriously I want that fix so badly). : : Until Columbia University decides to release a new version, fixes are : available from Secure Endpoints Inc. as documented at : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html#k95 : I have been trying to arrange this for a year or two. I am still trying. I can't go into details here. Suffice it to say that it might be helpful if some big corporate, government, scientific, or university customers wrote letters of encouragement and support. The new management here has no history with Kermit and doesn't understand the role it has played and continues to play (albeit increasingly behind the scenes). In the meantime, as Jeff says, fixes are available direct from his company. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 09:38:39 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie question Date: 9 Mar 2006 14:38:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1141909022.995438.248800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1141915108 19679 128.59.59.56 (9 Mar 2006 14:38:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Mar 2006 14:38:28 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15514 On 2006-03-09, christopher.simmons@hospira.com wrote: : Can anyone help point out what I'm doing wrong in this script? I'd : like to make a script that just calls a number and hangs up after a few : seconds. : : #!/usr/local/bin/wermit + : set modem hangup-method modem-command : set modem type usrobotics : set line /dev/ttyS0 : set speed 57600 : set dial method tone : set dial connect on : set exit on-disconnect on : dail 9876543211 : : This script typically results with the error message: : ?Not a command or macro name: "dial" : : I know I probably need some kind of delay but what how do I get around : this error message? From the kermit command prompt, it works fine. : You misspelled "dial". - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Thu Mar 9 13:52:38 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:17:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.15.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1141924657 156.34.15.45 (Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:17:37 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:17:37 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15515 ya but unfortunatly our terminal emulation is leased. I have to make due with whats avialable to us as is. We have no administrator within the company for this software. I'm the only one who actually bothered to research this stuff. I've developed many improvements. But some I have to put on hold due to that. Normally all bug fixes are free. Enhancements cost. This unique situation would involve us paying this company to pay for the fix. And they are already behind on a lot of bug fixes of their own. But back on topic, how to properly deal with a macro from becoming nested too much. "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrne10fck.8bc.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu... > On 2006-03-09, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > : Scott Caissie wrote: > : > :> (I know this is a bug. I'm still waiting for the fix, but this method > has > :> been working for me in general. But seriously I want that fix so > badly). > : > : Until Columbia University decides to release a new version, fixes are > : available from Secure Endpoints Inc. as documented at > : > : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html#k95 > : > I have been trying to arrange this for a year or two. I am still trying. > I can't go into details here. Suffice it to say that it might be helpful > if > some big corporate, government, scientific, or university customers wrote > letters of encouragement and support. The new management here has no > history > with Kermit and doesn't understand the role it has played and continues to > play (albeit increasingly behind the scenes). > > In the meantime, as Jeff says, fixes are available direct from his > company. > > - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 14:03:13 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Date: 9 Mar 2006 19:02:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1141930965 1912 128.59.59.56 (9 Mar 2006 19:02:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Mar 2006 19:02:45 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15516 On 2006-03-09, Scott Caissie wrote: : ya but unfortunatly our terminal emulation is leased. I have to make due : with whats avialable to us as is. : We have no administrator within the company for this software. I'm the only : one who actually bothered to research this stuff. I've developed many : improvements. But some I have to put on hold due to that. Normally all bug : fixes are free. Enhancements cost. This unique situation would involve us : paying this company to pay for the fix. And they are already behind on a lot : of bug fixes of their own. : Bug fixes AND upgrades were free from the very beginning up until the layoffs occurred 3 years ago. The problem now is that the expertise is no longer under one roof. At least the critical fixes *are* available, albeit at a fee. : But back on topic, how to properly deal with a macro from becoming nested : too much. : I don't think there is a workaround to the "macros on keys" bug, other than the awkward one mentioned in the bug list: 735. Macros on Keys broken In versions 1.1.21 through 2.1.3, when a SET [TERMINAL] KEY definition includes a macro invocation, then pressing the key while in the Terminal screen returns to the command screen (and in some cases might also fail to execute the macro). A workaround would be to: define myconnect connect /synchronous (make the connection with SET PORT, DIAL, or SET HOST) if success do myconnect This is fixed in the next release. As I said, I'm working on getting approval to issue a new release. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Mar 10 16:32:37 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:52:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1141944724 68.175.91.105 (Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:52:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:52:04 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15517 Scott Caissie wrote: > just a little correction to prevent any misunderstanding. When I was saying > "Normally all bug fixes are free. Enhancements cost. This unique situation > would involve us paying this company to pay (you guys) for the fix. And they > are already behind on a lot of bug fixes of their own." I was referring to > the company we are leasing from rather than yourselves. Personally I'm not sure what difference the company in the middle makes. I have no relationship with Columbia, the middle man or you. By the terms of Columbia's license, I am allowed to provide a fix to any organization that is permitted to run the software. You either have a license to run the software or you don't. You can obtain the fix and I will brand the software to exactly the same license that the current version you are using is branded to. Jeffrey Altman From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Mar 10 16:32:41 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:54:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.15.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1142020486 156.34.15.45 (Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:54:46 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:54:46 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15519 But I still need to know what is being fixed. Fix basically states that macros can be run from the Terminal without the screen changing. But normally, no complex macros can run (with or without set key) while actively in the Terminal. They basically pause until you go back into the Command window. Can we have things running in the background now while in the Terminal? Thats what it sounds like. Though as far as I know, only 1 macro can run at a time. Invoking a macro in the Terminal while another macro (in a loop) is running in the background will cause the one in the background to stop would it not? "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:ok2Qf.12766$nB6.1669@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com... > Scott Caissie wrote: >> just a little correction to prevent any misunderstanding. When I was >> saying >> "Normally all bug fixes are free. Enhancements cost. This unique >> situation >> would involve us paying this company to pay (you guys) for the fix. And >> they >> are already behind on a lot of bug fixes of their own." I was referring >> to >> the company we are leasing from rather than yourselves. > > Personally I'm not sure what difference the company in the middle makes. > I have no relationship with Columbia, the middle man or you. By the > terms of Columbia's license, I am allowed to provide a fix to any > organization that is permitted to run the software. You either have a > license to run the software or you don't. > > You can obtain the fix and I will brand the software to exactly the > same license that the current version you are using is branded to. > > Jeffrey Altman From smith.fcs1111@snet.net Fri Mar 10 16:32:45 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trnddc01.POSTED!4df87cbe!not-for-mail From: "Kelvin Smith" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No response on terminal line connection Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0610-1, 03/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:19:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.81.53.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trnddc01 1142003945 72.81.53.57 (Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:19:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:19:05 EST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15518 I'm trying to upgrade from MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 to K95 v2.1.3 on a PC that is wired directly to a terminal line. Everything is running fine with MS-DOS Kermit. However, with K95, I'm getting no response. I'm running the K95 GUI directly. SHO COMM reports the following settings: Communications Parameters: Port: com1, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: none Parity: none, stop-bits: (default) (8N1) Duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier-watch: off, close-on-disconnect: off Terminal bytesize: 8, escape character: 29 (^]) Priority: regular Carrier Detect (CD): Off Dataset Ready (DSR): Off Clear To Send (CTS): Off Ring Indicator (RI): Off Data Terminal Ready (DTR): (unknown) Request To Send (RTS): (unknown) When I plug a breakout box into the connection, the lights all look appropriate (I get the same change of lights when K95 starts up as with MS-DOS Kermit), but there is no flickering of lights if I hold down a key. I'm starting up with the default initialization file and the following commands: set port com1 set speed 19200 set modem none set carrier-watch off I'm mystified as to why I'm getting no response. I presume there must be some setting(s) that I'm not aware of. Kelvin Smith From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 16:36:26 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No response on terminal line connection Date: 10 Mar 2006 21:36:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1142026580 6942 128.59.59.56 (10 Mar 2006 21:36:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2006 21:36:20 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15520 On 2006-03-10, Kelvin Smith wrote: : I'm trying to upgrade from MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 to K95 v2.1.3 on a PC that is : wired directly to a terminal line. Everything is running fine with MS-DOS : Kermit. However, with K95, I'm getting no response. I'm running the K95 GUI : directly. SHO COMM reports the following settings: : : Communications Parameters: : Port: com1, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: none : Parity: none, stop-bits: (default) (8N1) : Duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none : You have specified RTS/CTS (hardware flow control)... : Carrier-watch: off, close-on-disconnect: off : Terminal bytesize: 8, escape character: 29 (^]) : Priority: regular : : Carrier Detect (CD): Off : Dataset Ready (DSR): Off : Clear To Send (CTS): Off : Ring Indicator (RI): Off : But no modem signals are seen by Kermit. When RTS/CTS flow control is selected, nothing can be sent out the port unless the CTS signal is On. : Data Terminal Ready (DTR): (unknown) : Request To Send (RTS): (unknown) : : When I plug a breakout box into the connection, the lights all look : appropriate (I get the same change of lights when K95 starts up as with : MS-DOS Kermit), but there is no flickering of lights if I hold down a key. : : I'm starting up with the default initialization file and the following : commands: : : set port com1 : set speed 19200 : set modem none : set carrier-watch off : : I'm mystified as to why I'm getting no response. I presume there must be : some setting(s) that I'm not aware of. : Try "set flow none" or "set flow xon/xoff". And since there is no Carrier signal either, you might also need "set carrier-watch off". But maybe the real problem is that you need to use the TAPI device instead of the "DOS" device. See the Kermit 95 FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#comport - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Sun Mar 19 14:56:06 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Lines: 67 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:00:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.15.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1141934410 156.34.15.45 (Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:00:10 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:00:10 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15522 By the way, can you explain how the fix works? It sounds simplistic enough. When fixed, you can invoke a macro definition in the Terminal window without the screen changing to the Command window right? I was under the impression that programs (definitions) won't run, or continue to run, while you are in the Terminal window to begin with. It would resume itself when you return back to the Command window. Example: define test { output Test1 connect output Test2 } I'm not at my work pc at the moment but I'm sure only Test1 gets displayed to the Terminal window until you Alt X back to the command to resume the rest right? Is this any different after the fix? "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrne10uul.jul.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu... > On 2006-03-09, Scott Caissie wrote: > : ya but unfortunatly our terminal emulation is leased. I have to make due > : with whats avialable to us as is. > : We have no administrator within the company for this software. I'm the > only > : one who actually bothered to research this stuff. I've developed many > : improvements. But some I have to put on hold due to that. Normally all > bug > : fixes are free. Enhancements cost. This unique situation would involve > us > : paying this company to pay for the fix. And they are already behind on a > lot > : of bug fixes of their own. > : > Bug fixes AND upgrades were free from the very beginning up until the > layoffs > occurred 3 years ago. The problem now is that the expertise is no longer > under one roof. At least the critical fixes *are* available, albeit at a > fee. > > : But back on topic, how to properly deal with a macro from becoming > nested > : too much. > : > I don't think there is a workaround to the "macros on keys" bug, other > than > the awkward one mentioned in the bug list: > > 735. Macros on Keys broken > > In versions 1.1.21 through 2.1.3, when a SET [TERMINAL] KEY definition > includes a macro invocation, then pressing the key while in the > Terminal screen returns to the command screen (and in some cases might > also fail to execute the macro). A workaround would be to: > > define myconnect connect /synchronous > (make the connection with SET PORT, DIAL, or SET HOST) > if success do myconnect > > This is fixed in the next release. > > As I said, I'm working on getting approval to issue a new release. > > - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Sun Mar 19 14:56:12 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:31:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.15.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1141939879 156.34.15.45 (Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:31:19 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:31:19 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15523 just a little correction to prevent any misunderstanding. When I was saying "Normally all bug fixes are free. Enhancements cost. This unique situation would involve us paying this company to pay (you guys) for the fix. And they are already behind on a lot of bug fixes of their own." I was referring to the company we are leasing from rather than yourselves. "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrne10uul.jul.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu... > On 2006-03-09, Scott Caissie wrote: > : ya but unfortunatly our terminal emulation is leased. I have to make due > : with whats avialable to us as is. > : We have no administrator within the company for this software. I'm the > only > : one who actually bothered to research this stuff. I've developed many > : improvements. But some I have to put on hold due to that. Normally all > bug > : fixes are free. Enhancements cost. This unique situation would involve > us > : paying this company to pay for the fix. And they are already behind on a > lot > : of bug fixes of their own. > : > Bug fixes AND upgrades were free from the very beginning up until the > layoffs > occurred 3 years ago. The problem now is that the expertise is no longer > under one roof. At least the critical fixes *are* available, albeit at a > fee. > > : But back on topic, how to properly deal with a macro from becoming > nested > : too much. > : > I don't think there is a workaround to the "macros on keys" bug, other > than > the awkward one mentioned in the bug list: > > 735. Macros on Keys broken > > In versions 1.1.21 through 2.1.3, when a SET [TERMINAL] KEY definition > includes a macro invocation, then pressing the key while in the > Terminal screen returns to the command screen (and in some cases might > also fail to execute the macro). A workaround would be to: > > define myconnect connect /synchronous > (make the connection with SET PORT, DIAL, or SET HOST) > if success do myconnect > > This is fixed in the next release. > > As I said, I'm working on getting approval to issue a new release. > > - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Sun Mar 19 14:56:47 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Lines: 115 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:37:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.15.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1142069856 156.34.15.45 (Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:37:36 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:37:36 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15521 > Macros only execute in "command mode". Its been several years since I > fixed the bug associated with SET KEY and terminal mode, but my > recollection is that the macro would be configured to execute and > "terminal or connect mode" would not be exited. Its this that I'm trying to understand. You're saying that Macros can be executed in connect mode BUT can not run in connect mode with the fix? Then this fix is something that has no use to me. I already created a work around to activate any macro via connect mode. I want it to actively run while in connect mode. This here was worded bad: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/newbugs.txt 735. Macros on Keys broken In versions 1.1.21 through 2.1.3, when a SET [TERMINAL] KEY definition includes a macro invocation, then pressing the key while in the Terminal screen returns to the command screen (and in some cases might also fail to execute the macro). All this time I was thinking the act of going to the command screen upon invokation was the bug itself. It says 2 things. The secondary issue isn't a concern. Background program: Actively saving the scrollback buffer and analying the last 30 lines which is slightly more than a full screen worth of work, and do various events. I have about 7-8 macros which upon activation causes a 'blink' effect. Jumps to the command window, does the code involving the scrollback or something else, and jumps back to the terminal. As far as my co-workers are concerned, the macro 'reads the screen'. I wanted to remove the 'blink' effect. Not all the users are comfortable with something that visually appears unstable. I do have a technical question. Lets say I have a macro that calls another macro (which this buggy one does). If success, it does XX and Connects. If failure, it does nothing aside from Connects. Now if the ONLY means of getting to the Command window is through a Macro'd hotkey, when it is used, does it cancel the immidate macro (which was paused via the Connect command), or does it cancel all levels of the macro? (ie: The parent macro which summoned it?). I think that is what is happening. That afterall is what this thread is about. Not the macro invokation bug, but the Macros being nested issue. define test1 { ....... ; checks keyboard cursor location. if success, then it does the rest ; this allows 1 key to be used to activate many macros. 1 at a time though based on where you are in your work ; until this point, I never had macros calling macros. if .... do test2 connect return } define test2 { ; read scrollback ; output value connect return } "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:pVlQf.14280$4%1.10175@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com... > Scott Caissie wrote: >> But I still need to know what is being fixed. >> Fix basically states that macros can be run from the Terminal without the >> screen changing. > > Where does http://www.columbia.edu/~jaltman/k95-fixes-since-213.txt > indicate that? > >> But normally, no complex macros can run (with or without set key) while >> actively in the Terminal. They basically pause until you go back into the >> Command window. > > Macros only execute in "command mode". Its been several years since I > fixed the bug associated with SET KEY and terminal mode, but my > recollection is that the macro would be configured to execute and > "terminal or connect mode" would not be exited. > >> Can we have things running in the background now while in the Terminal? > > You cannot have things executing in the background while in terminal > mode. Terminal mode is the "CONNECT" command. When the terminal window > is displayed the command processor is blocked in "CONNECT". Why is > this? Because the input and output devices are controlled by the user > when the CONNECT command is executed. The input and output devices > cannot be tampered with by a script. > > The CONNECT command provides a trigger functionality that allows a > script to be executed when specific input patterns are recognized. > There is also an ability to automated output based upon idle timers. > > What is it that you want to run in the background that would not be > competing with the user interaction with the remote host? > >> Thats what it sounds like. Though as far as I know, only 1 macro can run >> at >> a time. Invoking a macro in the Terminal while another macro (in a loop) >> is >> running in the background will cause the one in the background to stop >> would >> it not? > > You are correct. There is one command processor and therefore one macro > at a time. This has not changed. > > Jeffrey Altman From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Mar 19 14:56:59 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!news.glorb.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3CVQf.10658$X.5797@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:45:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1142171135 68.175.91.105 (Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:45:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:45:35 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15524 Scott Caissie wrote: > Compiled: > Jeff's fix = corrects improper nesting with macro invocation. > Frank's fix (when released) = is to activate of macro via connect mode. I > had sent an email to him about this in the recent past. Middle of Janurary I > think. > > Frank's bug and your fix sound similar enough that I thought they were > related. They are, but indirectly. I can make due without the nesting fix. I > just won't have a macro call another macro. I am still waiting for that > other fix though. The bugs are one and the same. A macro mapped to a key will not execute if you enter CONNECT mode directly. As described in the newbugs.txt file, if you want macros to work from CONNECT mode then you must call CONNECT from within a prior executing macro. define doconnect { echo Entering Connect Mode CONNECT echo Exiting Connect Mode } or define doconnect { CONNECT /SYNCHRONOUS } If you do not do this, then your macros won't execute and if you do use this hack then you run into nesting problems. If this is not what you want changed, then what you want is not a bug fix. Macros executing from a key in CONNECT mode exit CONNECT mode and return to COMMAND mode. This is working as designed. If you would like a feature request to be implemented you can either convince Columbia University to pay to have it developed or you can do so yourself. Jeffrey Altman From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Sun Mar 19 14:57:53 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.yul.equant.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <3CVQf.10658$X.5797@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:24:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.25.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1142411050 156.34.25.154 (Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:24:10 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:24:10 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15526 With the patch, can I still invoke a macro definition as a Kverb while in Connect mode? ie: > define doconnect { > CONNECT /SYNCHRONOUS > } for me to activate this while in Connect mode, I have to use: "Set key \??? \kdoconnect". "Set key \??? doconnect" (not a kverb) just spams the word doconnect within the connect window while not activating the macro itself. Its the only way I know how to activate a macro from within the connect window. The ability to do this has amazing potential. I created a great deal amount of enhancements this way. If you like I can send a few to you. But apparently this is what.. an exploit? I had no reading materials when I first started researching this. Just the embedded help. After my 1st week of a great deal amount of trial and errors, this is what I came up with. I just kept figuring I was doing something wrong. Emailed Frank da Cruz about a way to activate macros from within the connect mode. On jan 14th, he said literarly: "There is a bug in the current version of Kermit 95 that prevents running macros from keystrokes". I always assumed that it was going to be corrected. I now have the book written by him. You're saying otherwise. Now my only concern is having all my work destroyed if this method is removed with the patch. All I need to know is if my work will continue to work with the patch. Right now I don't know if I want patch anymore. I'm afraid that it'll ruin everything. We're rather dependant on those enhancements now. I scrapped that one macro until later on. Everything else is at 100% and I wish to keep it that way. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Mar 19 14:57:58 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!News.Math.NCTU.edu.tw!newsfeed.news2me.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!207.115.63.142.MISMATCH!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect References: <3CVQf.10658$X.5797@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 53 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:29:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1142450980 68.175.91.105 (Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:29:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:29:40 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15528 The correct syntax for assigning macro "foo" to a key is SET TERMINAL KEY \Kfoo SET KEY \Kfoo If you don't specify the \K then you are assigning the string "foo" as a string to be output to the host. Please re-read what I have written. At no point have I indicated that the ability to execute macros from keys when pressed in CONNECT mode is going away. You have indicated a desire to have macros execute without the switch from CONNECT mode to COMMAND mode. This is not going to occur. Jeffrey Altman Scott Caissie wrote: > With the patch, can I still invoke a macro definition as a Kverb while in > Connect mode? > > ie: >> define doconnect { >> CONNECT /SYNCHRONOUS >> } > > for me to activate this while in Connect mode, I have to use: "Set key \??? > \kdoconnect". > "Set key \??? doconnect" (not a kverb) just spams the word doconnect within > the connect window while not activating the macro itself. > > Its the only way I know how to activate a macro from within the connect > window. > The ability to do this has amazing potential. I created a great deal amount > of enhancements this way. If you like I can send a few to you. > But apparently this is what.. an exploit? I had no reading materials when I > first started researching this. Just the embedded help. After my 1st week of > a great deal amount of trial and errors, this is what I came up with. I just > kept figuring I was doing something wrong. Emailed Frank da Cruz about a way > to activate macros from within the connect mode. On jan 14th, he said > literarly: "There is a bug in the current version of Kermit 95 that prevents > running macros from keystrokes". > > I always assumed that it was going to be corrected. I now have the book > written by him. You're saying otherwise. Now my only concern is having all > my work destroyed if this method is removed with the patch. > > All I need to know is if my work will continue to work with the patch. Right > now I don't know if I want patch anymore. I'm afraid that it'll ruin > everything. We're rather dependant on those enhancements now. I scrapped > that one macro until later on. Everything else is at 100% and I wish to keep > it that way. > > From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Sun Mar 19 14:58:46 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <3CVQf.10658$X.5797@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:12:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.25.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1142457127 156.34.25.154 (Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:12:07 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:12:07 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15529 Can you clarify your own posts? A few things are bothering me still. Macros only execute in "command mode". Its been several years since I fixed the bug associated with SET KEY and terminal mode, but my recollection is that the macro would be configured to execute and "terminal or connect mode" would not be exited. 1. First sentence we know is wrong. Partially. The example I gave you by invoking a macro as a kverb works. Same example that you posted afterwards as well. It has the ability to leave connect mode on its own and runs the macro. A bridge is created. 2. Rest of your paragraph explains everything that I'm looking for. A macro mapped to a key will not execute if you enter CONNECT mode directly. As described in the newbugs.txt file * Fixed a bug preventing the execution of macros assigned to keys or mouse events when in terminal mode 3. Please don't say nesting. Don't even need to include Frank da Cruz's bug description on this one. Your own bug description says its not possible to begin with, so nesting never comes into play. because as far as I am aware the macro is never executed when bound to a key and the key is pressed while in CONNECT mode 4. Here you say it can't be done. You are now using my very own example to say that the Kverb method is the proper way, though previously mentioned as a 'work around' and a 'hack'. Ya I get the picture that a macro won't actively run while in connect mode. An amazing loss of potential there. I HAVE been re-reading what you are writting. I don't think you are proof reading it. Which is why I was confused as hell, and wondering what is a bug or not. You had me half convinced that this feature is a bug, or a hack. Which is why I was concerned of it being 'fixed'. But I have little worry in that now. It is unfortunate to learn of K95's limits. I had such high hopes there. They were real hopes too. I'm not kidding you. You get the book on how to use the software. Only problem is that nothing in the book works without using a hack, as you say, and even that apparently doesn't work right, when you are using the software in any real productive way. But I do understand how old k95 is. I'm still going to keep trying to push out its potential here beyond the normal use. If you guys could modify VIEWONLY perhaps? So that it is what it does. It is the CONNECT command that disables modifying anything. Its pauses the macro.It would give the users the illusion of the screen not changing. That itself would be enough to create a seemless use of a greater potential here. example: define test { viewonly ; coding which isn't being paused connect /synchronous ; would effectively override viewonly. } From smith.fcs1111@snet.net Sun Mar 19 15:10:44 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trnddc05.POSTED!4df87cbe!not-for-mail From: "Kelvin Smith" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: No response on terminal line connection Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0610-2, 03/10/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:03:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.81.53.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trnddc05 1142096615 72.81.53.57 (Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:03:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:03:35 EST Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15525 Flow control was the issue. SET FLOW XON/XOFF got me running. Thanks! Kelvin "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrne13sak.s6r.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu... > On 2006-03-10, Kelvin Smith wrote: > : I'm trying to upgrade from MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 to K95 v2.1.3 on a PC > that is > : wired directly to a terminal line. Everything is running fine with > MS-DOS > : Kermit. However, with K95, I'm getting no response. I'm running the K95 > GUI > : directly. SHO COMM reports the following settings: > : > : Communications Parameters: > : Port: com1, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: none > : Parity: none, stop-bits: (default) (8N1) > : Duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none > : > You have specified RTS/CTS (hardware flow control)... > > : Carrier-watch: off, close-on-disconnect: off > : Terminal bytesize: 8, escape character: 29 (^]) > : Priority: regular > : > : Carrier Detect (CD): Off > : Dataset Ready (DSR): Off > : Clear To Send (CTS): Off > : Ring Indicator (RI): Off > : > But no modem signals are seen by Kermit. When RTS/CTS flow control is > selected, nothing can be sent out the port unless the CTS signal is On. > > : Data Terminal Ready (DTR): (unknown) > : Request To Send (RTS): (unknown) > : > : When I plug a breakout box into the connection, the lights all look > : appropriate (I get the same change of lights when K95 starts up as with > : MS-DOS Kermit), but there is no flickering of lights if I hold down a > key. > : > : I'm starting up with the default initialization file and the following > : commands: > : > : set port com1 > : set speed 19200 > : set modem none > : set carrier-watch off > : > : I'm mystified as to why I'm getting no response. I presume there must be > : some setting(s) that I'm not aware of. > : > Try "set flow none" or "set flow xon/xoff". And since there is no Carrier > signal either, you might also need "set carrier-watch off". > > But maybe the real problem is that you need to use the TAPI device instead > of the "DOS" device. See the Kermit 95 FAQ: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#comport > > - Frank From rschuster@remove.accuvoice.com Sun Mar 19 15:10:53 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.southeast.rr.com!news-wrt-01.tampabay.rr.com!news-feed-01.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Randy" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set host /pipe ssh Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <%VURf.55781$_c.33211@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:47:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.8.230.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1142430459 67.8.230.82 (Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:47:39 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:47:39 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15527 Same problem with Kermit 7.? And 8.0.211 on Sun Sparc Solaris 8 Using openssh-3.9p1 I do a set host /pipe ssh vm@vm ssh ask's for the password but when I type it about 30 percent of the characters are echoed back to my display. No matter what I type I can't get it to accept the password. My entries seem to be going both to the password prompt and to Kermit sometimes I get the ?Not a command or macro name: in this state also. Basically can't get "set host /pipe" to work. From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 15:10:56 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set host /pipe ssh Date: 16 Mar 2006 15:54:16 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <1142553256.070619.243070@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <%VURf.55781$_c.33211@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1142553261 29358 127.0.0.1 (16 Mar 2006 23:54:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:54:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060111 Netscape/8.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15530 Randy wrote: > > I do a > > set host /pipe ssh vm@vm > > ssh ask's for the password but when I type it about 30 percent of the > characters are echoed back to my display. No matter what I type I can't get > it to accept the password. My entries seem to be going both to the password > prompt and to Kermit sometimes I get the ?Not a command or macro name: in > this state also. > > Basically can't get "set host /pipe" to work. I see the same thing if I do what you're doing. The echoed characters are being passed to and echoed by C-Kermit's command prompt and the unechoed characters are being passed to ssh's password: prompt. The two appear to be competing for your input and the results are unpredictable. Instead of /pipe, use /pty as in set host /pty ssh vm@vm or as I do set host /pty ssh -e none -l user host.example.com -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 15:10:59 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set host /pipe ssh Date: 16 Mar 2006 16:12:31 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1142554351.305120.236350@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> References: <%VURf.55781$_c.33211@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <1142553256.070619.243070@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.182.169.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1142554356 27820 127.0.0.1 (17 Mar 2006 00:12:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:12:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060111 Netscape/8.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.182.169.133; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15531 Mark Sapiro wrote: > > I see the same thing if I do what you're doing. The echoed characters > are being passed to and echoed by C-Kermit's command prompt and the > unechoed characters are being passed to ssh's password: prompt. The two > appear to be competing for your input and the results are > unpredictable. Instead of /pipe, use /pty as in Actually, I confused myself in trying to duplicate what you are doing. The above is not quite right. There are a couple of problems depending on what you're doing. After you issue the set host /pipe ssh vm@vm command, you are still in C-Kermit's command mode. Thus, to answer the password prompt, you need to use either an output command, or enter connect mode with a connect command. However, if your intent is to interact with the remote host, you still want to use /pty and not /pipe. You can set host and connect in one with for example set host /connect /pty ssh -e none vm@vm -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 15:21:05 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Date: 19 Mar 2006 20:10:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3CVQf.10658$X.5797@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1142799036 19707 128.59.59.56 (19 Mar 2006 20:10:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Mar 2006 20:10:36 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15533 On 2006-03-15, Scott Caissie wrote: : Can you clarify your own posts? A few things are bothering me still. : : Macros only execute in "command mode". Its been several years since I : fixed the bug associated with SET KEY and terminal mode, but my : recollection is that the macro would be configured to execute and : "terminal or connect mode" would not be exited. : I hope I can clarify this by saying that keystroke macros should be able to run in either Command mode or Connect mode, but currently don't due to the aforementioned bug. But when you invoke a macro with a keystroke while in Connect mode, K95 temporarily enters Command mode to execute it, because that's where commands are executed, and a macro is just a series of commands. When you assign something to a key with SET KEY, it can be a character or string to be transmitted to the host, or a Kverb, or a macro invocation. The first two are executed directly in Connect mode, the latter can be executed only in Command mode. You can mix all of these things in a single key definition. I presently don't have a version of K95 handy without the bug, so I can't say exactly how this appears to the user; there might or might not be some visible transitions on the screen. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 15:31:46 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: closing a macro completely upon connect Date: 19 Mar 2006 20:30:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <3CVQf.10658$X.5797@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1142800257 21175 128.59.59.56 (19 Mar 2006 20:30:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Mar 2006 20:30:57 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15534 On 2006-03-19, Frank da Cruz wrote: : On 2006-03-15, Scott Caissie wrote: :: Can you clarify your own posts? A few things are bothering me still. :: :: Macros only execute in "command mode". Its been several years since I :: fixed the bug associated with SET KEY and terminal mode, but my :: recollection is that the macro would be configured to execute and :: "terminal or connect mode" would not be exited. :: : I hope I can clarify this by saying that keystroke macros should be able to : run in either Command mode or Connect mode, but currently don't due to the : aforementioned bug. But when you invoke a macro with a keystroke while in : Connect mode, K95 temporarily enters Command mode to execute it, because : that's where commands are executed, and a macro is just a series of commands. : : When you assign something to a key with SET KEY, it can be a character or : string to be transmitted to the host, or a Kverb, or a macro invocation. The : first two are executed directly in Connect mode, the latter can be executed : only in Command mode. You can mix all of these things in a single key : definition. I presently don't have a version of K95 handy without the bug, : so I can't say exactly how this appears to the user; there might or might not : be some visible transitions on the screen. : Upon rereading this, I see I should make one more clarification. The word "macro" is vague. Keystroke macros are often understood to be assignments of characters or strings to a key. That's not what we're talking about here. There is no bug in Kermit 95 in this respect. The bug involves only the assignment of a Kermit macro invocation to a key. For example: define somemacro xxx, yyy, zzz (where xxx, yyy, and zzz is a list of one or more Kermit commands). This macro can be assigned to (say) the F11 key as follows: set key \378 \Ksomemacro or: set key \378 \K{somemacro} This looks like a Kverb but it isn't. As long as the string following the \K is not the name of a built-in Kverb, it is looked up in Kermit's macro table and, if found, executed (by internally switching to command mode temporarily). This is what does not work when the key is pressed while in Connect mode (because of the bug). It still works when the key is pressed while in the Command screen. The bug is fixed in Jeff's copy: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html but I can't distribute that yet, until some arrangements have been made between Columbia University and Jeff, which are taking a long time. In the meantime, it is available directly from Jeff as described on the page linked to above. - Frank From dold@XsecureXft.usenet.us.com Fri Mar 24 11:12:55 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!router2.astraweb.com!news.astraweb.com!router1.astraweb.com!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!192.160.13.7.MISMATCH!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XsecureXft.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: secure ftp - tls with ckermit client Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1143165697 8587 192.160.13.38 (24 Mar 2006 02:01:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:01:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15537 I gather that TLS is not compiled into the binaries available for download from Columbia. How do I tell whether a particular binary has TLS in it or not? Show ... something? With K95 as the client, I connect to either ftp or ftps by changing the port I use to connect. Will the same be true if I have the right ckermit? Does it try TSL before non-secure and fall back? I am on a CentOS 4.0 (kind of RedHat 4.0 ES) platform. When I try to make ckermit, it fails with an error that might be my lack of proper libraries, but I'm not sure. ~/source/kermit/ckver-8.0.211 $ make redhat9 ends with ckuath.c:12208: warning: passing arg 4 of `DES_pcbc_encrypt' from incompatible pointer type ckuath.c:12208: warning: passing arg 5 of `DES_pcbc_encrypt' from incompatible pointer type make[2]: *** [ckuath.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `source/kermit/ckver-8.0.211' make[1]: *** [linux+krb5+krb4+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `source/kermit/ckver-8.0.211' make: *** [redhat9] Error 2 -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Mar 24 11:13:01 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: run start \v(browser) question Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <4FNUf.48521$VV4.774525@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:58:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.25.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1143187136 156.34.25.163 (Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:58:56 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:58:56 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15538 I'm trying to find out an easy way to use this \v(browser) command so that its universal. Seems straight forward enough. run \v(browser) "asdfljasdf" ; works but doesn't close the cmd.exe which is what I want. run start \v(browser) ; does not work. It just opens and sits at cmd and doesn't load iexplorer. run start iexplore "asdflajsd" works fine. The variable itself stores the quotation marks I believe, which is likely causing a problem. Bug or not? Strip the quotation marks and the path to make use of it? Seems odd to even attempt to do so with an embedded variable. Suppose to be usable as is. Or am I doing something wrong? From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 11:18:46 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: secure ftp - tls with ckermit client Date: 24 Mar 2006 16:12:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1143216771 10378 128.59.59.56 (24 Mar 2006 16:12:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2006 16:12:51 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15539 On 2006-03-24, dold@XsecureXft.usenet.us.com wrote: : I gather that TLS is not compiled into the binaries available for download : from Columbia. : Right, we're not allowed to put binaries in public places that include strong encryption capabilities. : How do I tell whether a particular binary has TLS in it or not? : Show ... something? : SHOW FEATURES : With K95 as the client, I connect to either ftp or ftps by changing the : port I use to connect. Will the same be true if I have the right ckermit? : It's the same code. : I am on a CentOS 4.0 (kind of RedHat 4.0 ES) platform. When I try to make : ckermit, it fails with an error that might be my lack of proper libraries, : but I'm not sure. : : ~/source/kermit/ckver-8.0.211 : $ make redhat9 ends with : ckuath.c:12208: warning: passing arg 4 of `DES_pcbc_encrypt' from : incompatible pointer type : Try the current development build: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 11:18:48 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: run start \v(browser) question Date: 24 Mar 2006 16:18:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <4FNUf.48521$VV4.774525@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1143217121 10378 128.59.59.56 (24 Mar 2006 16:18:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2006 16:18:41 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15540 On 2006-03-24, Scott Caissie wrote: : I'm trying to find out an easy way to use this \v(browser) command so that : its universal. : See HELP SET BROWSER. Normally you don't SET BROWSER to anything and uses "ShellExecute" for any RUN or RUN START command, which picks the appropriate application for any file extension or URL, based on your registry settings. : The variable itself stores the quotation marks I believe... : No. SET BROWSER allows you to enter a path. If the path includes spaces, you have to enclose it doublequotes, but these are stripped before setting the \v(browser) variable. I tested this just now in K95 2.1.3. - Frank From dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com Mon Mar 27 13:33:35 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!192.160.13.7.MISMATCH!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: secure ftp - tls with ckermit client Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 95 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1143232910 31348 192.160.13.38 (24 Mar 2006 20:41:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:41:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15542 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com wrote: > > ftp open /tls www.thesite.com 2121 /user:me > > fails > > "ftp: SSL/TLS connect COMMAND error: error:1408F10B:SSL > > routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD: wrong version number" > The server does not support FTP over TLS. > > set ftp authtype tls > > ftp open www.thesite.com 2121 /user:me > The server supports FTP AUTH TLS So TLS is only being used for the login authentication, and no protection is offered for the actual data? I do get Connected to www.thesite.com. TLS accepted as authentication type [TLS - DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA SSLv3 Kx=DH Au=RSA Enc=AES(256) Mac=SHA1 Compression: None FTP Command channel is Private (encrypted) FTP Data channel is Private (encrypted) After I'm connected, show ftp returns, in part Available security methods: ftp authtype: TLS ftp auto-encryption: on ftp credential-forwarding: off ftp command-protection-level: private ftp data-protection-level: private ftp secure proxy: (not set) > > "TLS accepted as authentication type > > Warning: Server has a self-signed certificate > > ... > > Continue? (Y/N)" > > "Warning: Hostname ("www.thesite.com") does not match server's > > certificate ("ftp.thesite.com")" > And the server's name as specified by the certificate is > "ftp.thesite.com" so you must connect to it with > ftp open ftp.thesite.com 2121 /user:me Administrative error that I'd like to get fixed. proftd is listening to the wrong IP address. Both are on the same machine. > and the server is using a self-signed certificate which means that > you must obtain a copy of the certificate and store it into your > certificate store. > > How can I confirm that this is a TLS-protected connection? > kermit tells you That's where I have ambiguity. It looks like TLS is there, except for the fact that I can't do /tls on the command line. How is kermit telling me? If I connect to the same server on the non-TLS port, I get messages TLS accepted as authentication type TLS authentication failed before the login prompt. After I log in show ftp Available security methods: ftp authtype: (none) ftp auto-encryption: on ftp credential-forwarding: off ftp command-protection-level: clear ftp data-protection-level: clear ftp secure proxy: (not set) > Authentication is all about names. If the names don't match then you > might as well assume you are communicating with an attacker who is about > to pick your pocket. Right. I know this server isn't configured correctly, so I can either hit "y" many times, "SET AUTHENTICATION TLS VERIFY OFF", or get the site admin to fix it. I'll take door #2 for now, and ask for the certificate problem to be corrected. If the ProFtpd configuration were correct, I think a TLS-client or a non-TLS client should be able to connect to the same name/IP and port number. I don't know why it is in this awkward state now, with both the wrong IP address and the special port number. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 From faunt@panix.com Mon Mar 27 13:37:11 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Console font? Date: 25 Mar 2006 22:16:05 -0500 Organization: at home, in Oakland, California Lines: 6 Sender: faunt@panix1.panix.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1143342967 2181 166.84.1.1 (26 Mar 2006 03:16:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:16:07 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15543 Ok, so I'm slow- What's the font used for the Console mode of Kermit? I've finally started using v2 on K95, and can't locate the font I'm used to. 73, doug From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 13:37:18 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: secure ftp - tls with ckermit client Date: 27 Mar 2006 18:33:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1143484409 11711 128.59.59.56 (27 Mar 2006 18:33:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Mar 2006 18:33:29 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15544 On 2006-03-24, dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> Try the current development build: :> :> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html : : That was mean ;-( : : The x.zip is missing two files, compared to the x.tar.gz. : Which ones? : No joy with the redhat9 build. I'm running through the other redhat builds : to see if any of them like my CentOS 4.0 installation. : : make redhat9 : [...] : ckcftp.c: At top level: : ckcftp.c:13458: error: `ck_gss_mech_krb5' undeclared here (not in a : function) : [...] : Today I uploaded Dev.17, which has three new targets for Linux: linux+krb5+ssl linux+ssl linux+krb5 These work, at least in Red Hat AS4.3. Hopefully other combinations can be modeled on these entries, which do it "right" -- they just set the bare minimum KFLAGS and LIBS items and then chain to the main Linux entry, which figures out all the rest. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 13:37:20 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Console font? Date: 27 Mar 2006 18:36:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1143484609 11711 128.59.59.56 (27 Mar 2006 18:36:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Mar 2006 18:36:49 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15545 On 2006-03-26, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote: : Ok, so I'm slow- What's the font used for the Console mode of Kermit? : I've finally started using v2 on K95, and can't locate the font I'm : used to. : That's one of the drawbacks of the Console version. Kermit can have no access to or knowledge of the font. Whatever goes on in the toolbar or Properties dialog is behind its back. That's one of the main reasons we made a GUI version. - Frank From faunt@panix.com Thu Mar 30 12:51:47 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Console font? Date: 26 Mar 2006 13:07:55 -0500 Organization: at home, in Oakland, California Lines: 21 Sender: faunt@panix1.panix.com Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1143396475 27983 166.84.1.1 (26 Mar 2006 18:07:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:07:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15547 "Kelvin Smith" writes: > "Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604" wrote in message > news:mfrpsk9lwui.fsf@panix1.panix.com... > > Ok, so I'm slow- What's the font used for the Console mode of Kermit? > > I've finally started using v2 on K95, and can't locate the font I'm > > used to. > > > > 73, doug > > > > The one that's supplied with K95 is Everson Mono Terminal, though for most > purposes I prefer Courier New; it's a bit larger for a given point size. > Neither of them has the full set of VT100 special & line drawing characters, > unfortunately. > Thanks. The Courier New seems to be the most readable, actually. 73, doug From dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com Thu Mar 30 12:51:59 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!noris.net!newsfeed.hanau.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!gail.ripco.com!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: secure ftp - tls with ckermit client Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1143507610 3531 192.160.13.38 (28 Mar 2006 01:00:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:00:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15546 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Today I uploaded Dev.17, which has three new targets for Linux: > linux+krb5+ssl > linux+ssl > linux+krb5 > These work, at least in Red Hat AS4.3. Hopefully other combinations can > be modeled on these entries, which do it "right" -- they just set the bare > minimum KFLAGS and LIBS items and then chain to the main Linux entry, which > figures out all the rest. > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html These new ones and more all build on my CentOS platform. I haven't actually tested any of them. It would be helpful for the makefile to contain some history. If each makefile entry had a date alongside it, one could make some guesses about which had superceeded another. For instance, I think that on 2006-03-27, linux+ssl is preferred to redhat21+ssl, and much preferred over linux+openssl, which is old. Lacking some chronological clue, I might think that the more items listed, the better, so linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam would look best for my current installation. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 From dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com Thu Mar 30 12:53:50 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!192.160.13.7.MISMATCH!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: secure ftp - tls with ckermit client Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1143495350 14722 192.160.13.38 (27 Mar 2006 21:35:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:35:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15551 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-03-24, dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com wrote: > : Frank da Cruz wrote: > :> Try the current development build: > :> > :> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html > : > : That was mean ;-( > : > : The x.zip is missing two files, compared to the x.tar.gz. > : > Which ones? makefile was the one that caught my eye, and there was one other one. Today's build is even worse, 67 files verses 58. 588$ diff x.zip-ls x.tar.gz-ls 2a3 > ck_des.c 56,66d56 < ckvcon.c < ckvcvt.c < ckvfio.c < ckvioc.c < ckvioc.h < ckvker.com < ckvker.mms < ckvold.c < ckvold.com < ckvtio.c < ckvvms.h 67a58 > makefile -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Thu Mar 30 13:00:49 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!chiapp19.algx.com!allegiance!newspeer.monmouth.com!guardian.oit.duke.edu!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: run start \v(browser) question Date: 28 Mar 2006 06:25:12 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: <1143555912.395495.282030@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <4FNUf.48521$VV4.774525@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1143555917 17610 127.0.0.1 (28 Mar 2006 14:25:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:25:17 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <4FNUf.48521$VV4.774525@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15549 Scott Caissie wrote: > I'm trying to find out an easy way to use this \v(browser) command so that > its universal. > Seems straight forward enough. > > run \v(browser) "asdfljasdf" ; works but doesn't close the cmd.exe which is > what I want. > run start \v(browser) ; does not work. It just opens and sits at cmd and > doesn't load iexplorer. > run start iexplore "asdflajsd" works fine. > > The variable itself stores the quotation marks I believe, which is likely > causing a problem. Bug or not? Strip the quotation marks and the path to > make use of it? Seems odd to even attempt to do so with an embedded > variable. Suppose to be usable as is. Or am I doing something wrong? I followed this thread with some interest. A little research exposed the following: Start-->Run-->Cmd Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\root>cd\ (The following calls IE while CMD.EXE remains active.) C:\>"c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe" (The following forks another CMD task with the full IE path in the header, IE does not run.) C:\>start "c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe" (The following calls IE ) C:\>C:\progra~1\intern~1\iexplore.exe (The following forks IE) C:\> start C:\progra~1\intern~1\iexplore.exe The results would seem to be consistent with your K95 experience, but in my case K95 is not running at all. If it were me I'd focus my anomoly research on start. Regards...Dan. From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Thu Mar 30 13:01:57 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: lock down COMMAND & Re-writing Help Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <4UsWf.51347$VV4.838074@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:59:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.27.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1143626368 156.34.27.126 (Wed, 29 Mar 2006 05:59:28 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 05:59:28 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15550 2 situations here. 1. Help with security here. I'm looking at a few things to secure the software a bit, which'll cause the user to not accidently damage anything. Is there any way possible to prevent a user from typing anything in the COMMAND window? And I don't mean SET TERMINAL ESCAPE-CHARACTER DISABLED. That does prevent them from reaching the command window but regardless of that, invoking macros (definition macros) will change the screen. During that fraction of a second of loading, it is possible for a user to type something and have it appear in the prompt. This will prevent a proper execution of the macro. Its rare but I want a way to fix that. I'm now adding a number of things at the very beginning of my macros that might clear whatever is there: ECHO CLS probably going to put \13 (enter) there as well. But I do not know the order of how things are processed to know if it'll make a difference. I have some doubts that the macro itself can clear the junk characters. I have a lot of doubt about preventing a user from ever typing in the COMMAND window. Could be possible. Don't know how yet. ---------------------------------- 2. The help window (Alt H). Can this be edited in any way? I'd like to modify it so that it has actual work info in it. We don't actually use hotkeys at all. Any chance of allowing us to create windows like that? From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Thu Mar 30 13:17:21 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!novia!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1143670171.731135.259530@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: "Restrictive" mode for kermit? Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:42:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.27.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1143708128 156.34.27.126 (Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:42:08 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:42:08 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15553 If I understand correctly, this should work: SET TERMINAL ESCAPE-CHARACTER DISABLE (or DISABLED, I forget). Prevents the user from attempting to manually go back to the prompt while in CONNECT mode. wrote in message news:1143670171.731135.259530@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > Hello, > > I'm attempting to architect a solution that provides a convenient > "front end" for dialing into remote sites via dialup. In doing this, I > plan on writing a kermit script that takes care of dealing with the > specifics of connecting to the remote sites, including providing > passwords. > > Ideally, I'd like to have the users execute the kermit script using > something like sudo so that they do not have access to the contents of > the kermit script, which will contain passwords. This works, except > for the fact that once the user is let loose on the remote site (the > script hits the CONNECT command), he or she may escape to a command > prompt and subsequently execute shell commands, one of which could > "cat" the script and reveal the passwords. > > Is there any way to execute kermit in a "restricted" mode, where once > it is placed in a CONNECTed mode, there's nowhere to go except exiting? > I know that this is not exactly a foolproof solution, but since other > controls (e.g. external logging) will be in place, the goal is to only > make it "rather difficult" rather than "impossible". > > Thank you, > Steve > From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 13:17:39 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: secure ftp - tls with ckermit client Date: 30 Mar 2006 17:53:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1143741222 27148 128.59.59.56 (30 Mar 2006 17:53:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Mar 2006 17:53:42 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15554 On 2006-03-28, dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com wrote: : ... : It would be helpful for the makefile to contain some history. : : If each makefile entry had a date alongside it, one could make some guesses : about which had superceeded another. For instance, I think that on : 2006-03-27, linux+ssl is preferred to redhat21+ssl, and much preferred over : linux+openssl, which is old. : It would be hard to do this retroactively but I'll try to do it from now on. : Lacking some chronological clue, I might think that the more items listed, : the better, so linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam would look best for my current : installation. : So far the Linux targets are only partially cleaned up. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 13:18:22 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: secure ftp - tls with ckermit client Date: 30 Mar 2006 18:00:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1143741638 27148 128.59.59.56 (30 Mar 2006 18:00:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Mar 2006 18:00:38 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15555 On 2006-03-27, dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> On 2006-03-24, dold@XReXXsecur.usenet.us.com wrote: :> : ... :> : The x.zip is missing two files, compared to the x.tar.gz. :> : :> Which ones? : : makefile was the one that caught my eye, and there was one other one. : Today's build is even worse, 67 files verses 58. : 588$ diff x.zip-ls x.tar.gz-ls : 2a3 :> ck_des.c : 56,66d56 :< ckvcon.c :< ckvcvt.c :< ckvfio.c :< ckvioc.c :< ckvioc.h :< ckvker.com :< ckvker.mms :< ckvold.c :< ckvold.com :< ckvtio.c :< ckvvms.h : 67a58 :> makefile : The Zip file adds the files needed for VMS. VMS is the whole reason we have a Zip file. The tar archives can't be used in VMS (as a rule). And the VMS files are generally not wanted in Unix. But in case you do want them on a Unix system, you can get the Zip file instead of the Tar one. So yes, the Zip archive should include the Unix makefile; I added this to the upload script just now, thanks. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 13:18:50 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: lock down COMMAND & Re-writing Help Date: 30 Mar 2006 18:17:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: <4UsWf.51347$VV4.838074@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1143742631 27148 128.59.59.56 (30 Mar 2006 18:17:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Mar 2006 18:17:11 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15556 On 2006-03-29, Scott Caissie wrote: : 2 situations here. : : 1. Help with security here. : : I'm looking at a few things to secure the software a bit, which'll cause the : user to not accidently damage anything. : : Is there any way possible to prevent a user from typing anything in the : COMMAND window? And I don't mean SET TERMINAL ESCAPE-CHARACTER DISABLED. : That does prevent them from reaching the command window but regardless of : that, invoking macros (definition macros) will change the screen. During : that fraction of a second of loading, it is possible for a user to type : something and have it appear in the prompt. This will prevent a proper : execution of the macro. Its rare but I want a way to fix that. : If they can get to the command window, they can use it. So the best thing is to prevent them from getting to it. SET TERMINAL ESCAPE-CHARACTER DISABLED ; Disables ^]c etc SET KEY 2168 \Kignore ; Disables Alt-x SET KEY 2136 \Kignore ; Disables Alt-X SET COMMAND INTERRUPTION OFF ; Disables Ctrl-C Then, to prevent use of the Tool Bar and Menu Bar for switching to the Command screen, start K95G.EXE with the following command-line arguments: --notoolbar --nomenubar : I'm now adding a number of things at the very beginning of my macros that : might clear whatever is there: : ECHO : CLS : probably going to put \13 (enter) there as well. : : But I do not know the order of how things are processed to know if it'll : make a difference. I have some doubts that the macro itself can clear the : junk characters. I have a lot of doubt about preventing a user from ever : typing in the COMMAND window. Could be possible. Don't know how yet. : If the connection is made by a script, then even though the command window is visible until the connection is complete, and interruption of the script is disabled SET COMMAND INTERRUPTION OFF, and return to the command screen from the terminal screen is impossible, then the user should have no opportunity to interact with the command prompt. Of course if the connection is broken, then Kermit returns to the command screen. Therefore your script should contain an EXIT command immediately after the CONNECT command. : 2. The help window (Alt H). Can this be edited in any way? I'd like to : modify it so that it has actual work info in it. We don't actually use : hotkeys at all. : Sorry, no, you can't edit the popup help text. I was about to suggest redefining the Alt-h key to pop up an ASK /GUI dialog containing the text of your choice, but that would require assigning a macro to a keystroke, which, as you know if you followed the recent discussion, does not presently work, and in any case there's not much room for text in the dialog box, and the text entry box would be confusing. Customized help is something to be considered for a future release. - Frank From moxiefreak@gmail.com Fri Mar 31 10:12:18 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: moxiefreak@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Restrictive" mode for kermit? Date: 29 Mar 2006 14:09:31 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1143670171.731135.259530@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.151.231.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1143670176 12103 127.0.0.1 (29 Mar 2006 22:09:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:09:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051122 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.151.231.11; posting-account=tDDf3A0AAACrWmHQUWoUPMlp2AjAKdnf Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15558 Hello, I'm attempting to architect a solution that provides a convenient "front end" for dialing into remote sites via dialup. In doing this, I plan on writing a kermit script that takes care of dealing with the specifics of connecting to the remote sites, including providing passwords. Ideally, I'd like to have the users execute the kermit script using something like sudo so that they do not have access to the contents of the kermit script, which will contain passwords. This works, except for the fact that once the user is let loose on the remote site (the script hits the CONNECT command), he or she may escape to a command prompt and subsequently execute shell commands, one of which could "cat" the script and reveal the passwords. Is there any way to execute kermit in a "restricted" mode, where once it is placed in a CONNECTed mode, there's nowhere to go except exiting? I know that this is not exactly a foolproof solution, but since other controls (e.g. external logging) will be in place, the goal is to only make it "rather difficult" rather than "impossible". Thank you, Steve From ratings@websbestfriend.com Fri Mar 31 10:21:10 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news.moat.net!news.glorb.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!statler.nntpserver.com!hydra.nntpserver.com!not-for-mail From: "Web's Best Friend" Subject: Today's Content Quality Rating For comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:20:11 -0800 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <442c305e$0$16365$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Mar 2006 19:24:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@nntpserver.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15557 The content quality of comp.protocols.kermit.misc has been rated by its users at least once in the last 24 hours at WebsBestFriend.com. 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Date: 31 Mar 2006 15:20:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <1143670171.731135.259530@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1143818432 10012 128.59.59.56 (31 Mar 2006 15:20:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2006 15:20:32 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15559 On 2006-03-29, moxiefreak@gmail.com wrote: : I'm attempting to architect a solution that provides a convenient : "front end" for dialing into remote sites via dialup. In doing this, I : plan on writing a kermit script that takes care of dealing with the : specifics of connecting to the remote sites, including providing : passwords. : : Ideally, I'd like to have the users execute the kermit script using : something like sudo so that they do not have access to the contents of : the kermit script, which will contain passwords. > So this is C-Kermit, not Kermit 95... : This works, except : for the fact that once the user is let loose on the remote site (the : script hits the CONNECT command), he or she may escape to a command : prompt and subsequently execute shell commands, one of which could : "cat" the script and reveal the passwords. : This seems to be the topic of the week! See the recent messages in this newsgroup. : Is there any way to execute kermit in a "restricted" mode, where once : it is placed in a CONNECTed mode, there's nowhere to go except exiting? : Like so: SET CARRIER-WATCH ON (make connection, log in, etc...) SET TERMINAL ESCAPE-CHARACTER DISABLED CONNECT EXIT The only way they can return from CONNECT mode is if the connection is lost, which will happen when they log out from the remote, assuming you have the Carrier Detect wire hooked up. The SET CARRIER-WATCH ON command is included to emhasize that this should happen (it's the default setting for modem connections anyway). If any files are to be transferred, this can be controlled from the remote side via auto-upload and -download -- just tell the Kermit program on the far end to SEND or GET the desired file(s). : I know that this is not exactly a foolproof solution, but since other : controls (e.g. external logging) will be in place, the goal is to only : make it "rather difficult" rather than "impossible". The above configuration should make it at least rather difficult. - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Apr 7 16:29:18 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ssh keys from Cygwin Date: 5 Apr 2006 22:10:27 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1144300227.501438.133520@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> References: <1144248824.768513@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.36.206.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1144300232 32039 127.0.0.1 (6 Apr 2006 05:10:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:10:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060111 Netscape/8.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.36.206.137; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15560 Robert Rodriguez wrote: > Is there a way to make the Windows version of Kermit use pre-existing key files from another version of SSH (for insyance, CYGWIN) when connecting, rather than > using its own set, which are incompatible with some versions of AIX? I use keys generated by ssh-keygen. I store them in "C:\Documents and Settings\\application Data\Kermit 95\SSH" which is where Kermit-95 expects to find them. I make that directory private. I then have an alias in my Cygwin shell alias ssh='ssh -i ~/Application\ Data/Kermit\ 95/SSH/id_dsa' so that Cygwin ssh uses the same actual key file and I don't need multiple copies. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dold@XReXXsshXk.usenet.us.com Fri Apr 7 16:29:22 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!192.160.13.7.MISMATCH!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XReXXsshXk.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ssh keys from Cygwin Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <1144248824.768513@irys.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1144303302 13457 192.160.13.38 (6 Apr 2006 06:01:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:01:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15561 Robert Rodriguez wrote: > Is there a way to make the Windows version of Kermit use pre-existing key > files from another version of SSH (for insyance, CYGWIN) when connecting, > rather than using its own set, which are incompatible with some versions > of AIX? What's the problem with AIX? -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 7 16:30:24 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: maximize bug or not? Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:59:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.1.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1144396790 156.34.1.232 (Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:59:50 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:59:50 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15562 this is what I have for coding set gui font courier_new 16 (10-18 depending on the user. which ever permits proper viewing) set gui window resize-mode scale-font set gui window run-mode restore set gui window run-mode maximize and ya I know about the font type & height needing to be declared at once. This set of lines work but its awkward when loading the client jumps around as it as it goes through re-sizing. Not a big deal really. The origin of the problem is that we have a multitude of Monitor sizes. The Fields that we type in, which are indicated by long underscores/underlines, aren't viewable for some users unless they resize it. "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:bCYYf.14776$cY3.8448@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com... > Scott Caissie wrote: >> If I set someone's font size through a login script, the screen will not >> be >> fully maximized when its launched. >> >> Its missing the bottom 1/5th of the window, and it IS considered >> maximized, >> so the maximize command doesn't work. For certain users, the font size >> must >> be different. >> >> The way I get around this is to: set font, restore, than maximize. >> When the user logs on the screen jumps around a bit. Doesn't seem proper. > > Its a bug and a combination of operations that most likely wasn't > tested. You have not provided the set of commands you are using > so I'm not even sure how to attempt to reproduce it. However, you > should be aware that it is not possible to issue a SET TERM FONT command > and not specify a height. The default height is 12 when it is not > specified. > > If you need to control the font on a per user basis I suggest you do > it by starting K95G with different command line options specifying the > desired facename and height. > > Jeffrey Altman From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 10:12:06 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: speed of script execution Date: 20 Apr 2006 02:16:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1145524573.729587.320320@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.53.150.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1145524580 12008 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2006 09:16:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:16:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Firefox/1.5.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.53.150.18; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15564 Can anyone tell me why there is such a huge time discrepency between the execution of the following scripts. The only difference is the curly braces. I'm running on an ARM SBC from a flash drive, if that makes any difference. ---- testx.ksc ---- #!/usr/bin/kermit + { assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p } { close } exit ---- testy.ksc ---- #!/usr/bin/kermit + assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p close exit -- test results -- $ time ./testx.ksc real 0m 0.60s user 0m 0.04s sys 0m 0.06s $ time ./testy.ksc real 0m 0.09s user 0m 0.05s sys 0m 0.04s Yes, when I go back and forth between the two scripts, the times of each stay consistent, so the second one shown above didn't just run faster because it was second; if I go back and run testx.ksc again, it takes 0.60s. Of course "don't use the curly braces" but this is part of a larger system that I have distilled down to this very simple example, so that's really not an option. Any ideas or input would be greatly appreciated. From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 10:20:49 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: speed of script execution Date: 20 Apr 2006 14:20:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <1145524573.729587.320320@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1145542836 11481 128.59.59.56 (20 Apr 2006 14:20:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2006 14:20:36 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15565 On 2006-04-20, tomviolin wrote: : Can anyone tell me why there is such a huge time discrepency between : the execution of the following scripts. The only difference is the : curly braces. I'm running on an ARM SBC from a flash drive, if that : makes any difference. : : ---- testx.ksc ---- : #!/usr/bin/kermit + : { assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p } : { close } : exit : : ---- testy.ksc ---- : #!/usr/bin/kermit + : assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p : close : exit : : -- test results -- : $ time ./testx.ksc : real 0m 0.60s : user 0m 0.04s : sys 0m 0.06s : : $ time ./testy.ksc : real 0m 0.09s : user 0m 0.05s : sys 0m 0.04s : : Yes, when I go back and forth between the two scripts, the times of : each stay consistent, so the second one shown above didn't just run : faster because it was second; if I go back and run testx.ksc again, it : takes 0.60s. : : Of course "don't use the curly braces" but this is part of a larger : system that I have distilled down to this very simple example, so : that's really not an option. : As in C, the braces mark a block, entry to and exit from which carries some setup and takedown cost. When you have only one or two statements in the block, that cost is a lot higher, proportionally, than if you have a lot of statements in it. Block structure is a convenience and an aid to writing readable source code, but it's not a necessity. Every block structure can be decomposed into something more rudimentary and lest costly in execution, using GOTOs or whatever. In fact, that's what happens internally anyway. The only difference is that with true blocks, various buffers and variables and other context have to be stacked. If you have encountered a serious bottleneck in a real application, let me know, maybe something can be done about it. - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 20 10:21:07 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: outputting an escape key possible? Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:02:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.28.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1145516528 156.34.28.129 (Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:02:08 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:02:08 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15563 Just a few more comments. \Kdnarr & \Kuparr can be outputted. \Kexit & \Kupscn & \Kdnscn can not be outputted. Whats the rule on this? Or how to work around this? "Scott Caissie" wrote in message news:oq2%f.58694$VV4.1080798@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Escape key as in Alt X or \Kexit. > > I'm trying to find a way to get a macro to trigger going to the COMMAND > window by any feasible means possible. When this occurs, it will resume > the rest of the coding. > > General: > CONNECT mode: Macro initiated via \kTest. Sends me to COMMAND. > COMMAND mode: Runs the macro, and OUTPUTs the information, and CONNECTs > but isn't complete. > CONNECT mode: Receives the information. At this point, I want one of the > commands that was outputted to send me back to COMMAND. > > I tried: > OUTPUT test\Kexit ; this CONNECTs me. > OUTPUT test\2168 alt X ; outputted X > OUTPUT test\2136 alt x ; outputted x > > Planning on trying: > Maybe TRIGGER? Set the trigger as the output before it gets outputted? > I'll have to try that out. > Very briefly looked into APCs... not sure if thats relavent or not. > Timers or Alarms... I have no idea if they actually work while in CONNECT > mode. Never used anything of that sort yet. > Output a macro itself \Ktesting which contains \kexit.... but as I'm > thinking about that, it'll overwrite the existing macro. > > I'm just brain storming at the moment. I know this macro idea sounds crazy > and likely very unstable. Regardless I'd like to see if its possible. > From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 10:26:44 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: outputting an escape key possible? Date: 20 Apr 2006 14:26:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1145543189 11481 128.59.59.56 (20 Apr 2006 14:26:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2006 14:26:29 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15566 On 2006-04-20, Scott Caissie wrote: : Just a few more comments. : \Kdnarr & \Kuparr can be outputted. : \Kexit & \Kupscn & \Kdnscn can not be outputted. : : Whats the rule on this? Or how to work around this? : \Kdnarr and \Kuparr are Kerboard Verbs (Kverbs) that send characters out the communication connection. You're not sending the Kverbs themselves, you are invoking them and they are doing their jobs. \Kexit & \Kupscn & \Kdnscn have actions that are strictly local. They do not send characters out the connection; that is why you can't OUTPUT them. There is nothing to OUTPUT. : "Scott Caissie" wrote in message : news:oq2%f.58694$VV4.1080798@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... :> Escape key as in Alt X or \Kexit. :> :> I'm trying to find a way to get a macro to trigger going to the COMMAND :> window by any feasible means possible. When this occurs, it will resume :> the rest of the coding. : As noted previously in this newsgroup, there is a bug that inhibits proper execution of macros assigned to keystrokes in the current release of K95. The only real solution to this problem is to release the next version of K95, in which this bug is fixed: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html As noted repeatedly, I'm working on arranging for this. It's a bureacratic problem, not a technical one. - Frank From floh-erfurth@arcor.de Fri Apr 21 08:21:45 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail Message-ID: <444800f9$0$11079$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> From: Florian Erfurth Subject: serial port forwarding (/dev/ttyS0) over IP/LAN Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:46:31 +0200 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Lines: 21 Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2006 23:45:30 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: d3a03e1a.newsread4.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=MdN40@Q03ETJ<1FClJbQ`\:ejgIfPPldTjW\KbG]kaMX]kI_X=5KeaVIa6R0^ih>I_;l27\l2\=DUSLPAZfR9KAT_K\;A[BI]`Y X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15568 Hello, I have to try to get the serial port (/dev/ttyS0) from the remote PC to locale PC so I can use the remote serial port as if it is from my own (local) PC. The professor told me to use ckermit. Unfortunatelly I couldn't find any howto about serial portforwarding over IP/LAN/INet. I didn't found any german manual for ckermit and I don't know which English search expression should I use at google in order to find useful/needed information. I hope, anyone of you could help me a little bit or tell me, where is good howto for my problem. Another question... is ckermit a server- or client-programm? As I understand, it is a client-programm, so I have to install it on my (local) PC in order to use the remote serial port. Am I right? Is it possible to use ckermit as server, so the client-user doesn't have to install cserver and could use telnet/ssh, huh? Server and client are both linux (maybe the professor want the client will be linux/windows (or really platform indepentend)). cu Floh From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 21 08:32:34 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: outputting an escape key possible? Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:26:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.28.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1145604362 156.34.28.129 (Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:26:02 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:26:02 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15569 I'm having a hard time identifying the rule of whats Local and what isn't. They all work in both screens. \Kexit (alt x) & \Kupscn (alt shift page up) & \Kdnscn (alt shift page down) for example. \Kdnarr (down arrow) & \Kuparr (up arrow) work in both windows as well, and can be outputted. Up arrow vs Page up. Down arrow vs Page down. The only recognizable difference is single and multiple key presses to activate each. I don't suppose theres a list of what can be outputted? would save some time in trail and error. "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrne4f6gl.djh.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu... > On 2006-04-20, Scott Caissie wrote: > : Just a few more comments. > : \Kdnarr & \Kuparr can be outputted. > : \Kexit & \Kupscn & \Kdnscn can not be outputted. > : > : Whats the rule on this? Or how to work around this? > : > \Kdnarr and \Kuparr are Kerboard Verbs (Kverbs) that send characters out > the > communication connection. You're not sending the Kverbs themselves, you > are > invoking them and they are doing their jobs. > > \Kexit & \Kupscn & \Kdnscn have actions that are strictly local. They do > not send characters out the connection; that is why you can't OUTPUT them. > There is nothing to OUTPUT. > > : "Scott Caissie" wrote in message > : news:oq2%f.58694$VV4.1080798@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > :> Escape key as in Alt X or \Kexit. > :> > :> I'm trying to find a way to get a macro to trigger going to the COMMAND > :> window by any feasible means possible. When this occurs, it will resume > :> the rest of the coding. > : > As noted previously in this newsgroup, there is a bug that inhibits proper > execution of macros assigned to keystrokes in the current release of K95. > The only real solution to this problem is to release the next version of > K95, in which this bug is fixed: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html > > As noted repeatedly, I'm working on arranging for this. It's a > bureacratic > problem, not a technical one. > > - Frank From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 12:14:03 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: speed of script execution Date: 20 Apr 2006 10:29:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 57 Message-ID: <1145554175.676504.188370@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1145524573.729587.320320@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.53.150.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1145554180 10328 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2006 17:29:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:29:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Firefox/1.5.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.53.150.18; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15567 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-04-20, tomviolin wrote: > : Can anyone tell me why there is such a huge time discrepency between > : the execution of the following scripts. The only difference is the > : curly braces. > As in C, the braces mark a block, entry to and exit from which carries some > setup and takedown cost. When you have only one or two statements in the > block, that cost is a lot higher, proportionally, than if you have a lot of > statements in it. > > Block structure is a convenience and an aid to writing readable source code, > but it's not a necessity. Every block structure can be decomposed into > something more rudimentary and lest costly in execution, using GOTOs or > whatever. In fact, that's what happens internally anyway. The only > difference is that with true blocks, various buffers and variables and other > context have to be stacked. > Frank, I have had an idea. I am somewhat familiar with how Kermit breaks down structured code into GOTOs and the like (the code shows up when you have SET MACRO ECHO ON for example). What if there was a way to do that decomposition in a function and then save the results to a new command file? For example, part of my "larger system" does this: -- begin kermit script -- take \m(connect_id).ksc ; always contains gd_connect ; and gd_disconnect macro definitions take \m(device_id).ksc ; always contains a gd_acquire macro definition fopen /write \%f "getdata.ksc" ; to be executed later fwrite /line \%f "\m(gd_connect)" fwrite /line \%f "\m(gd_acquire)" fwrite /line \%f "\m(gd_disconnect)" fclose \%f This basically turns a set of macros into inline code to be executed later. This works great for very simple macro definitions that have no blocks in them. As soon as blocks are introduced, wham, the execution time goes way up. What I'm proposing is some function \fdecompose() that could perhaps be called like this: \fdecompose(\m(gd_connect)) that would take the "inlining" process to the next level, and produce the lower-level code with all the "goto .._blah" stuff, sort of like compiling to p-code in a way. Or, is there a way to do this already? -Tom From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 12:16:12 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!oleane.net!oleane!news.in2p3.fr!in2p3.fr!proxad.net!216.239.36.134.MISMATCH!postnews.google.com!z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: speed of script execution Date: 21 Apr 2006 16:22:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 120 Message-ID: <1145661755.906411.37550@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1145524573.729587.320320@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.149.237 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1145661762 19541 127.0.0.1 (21 Apr 2006 23:22:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:22:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Firefox/1.5.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.89.149.237; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15572 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-04-20, tomviolin wrote: > : Can anyone tell me why there is such a huge time discrepency between > : the execution of the following scripts. The only difference is the > : curly braces. I'm running on an ARM SBC from a flash drive, if that > : makes any difference. > : > : ---- testx.ksc ---- > : #!/usr/bin/kermit + > : { assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p } > : { close } > : exit > : > : ---- testy.ksc ---- > : #!/usr/bin/kermit + > : assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p > : close > : exit > : > : -- test results -- > : $ time ./testx.ksc > : real 0m 0.60s > : user 0m 0.04s > : sys 0m 0.06s > : > : $ time ./testy.ksc > : real 0m 0.09s > : user 0m 0.05s > : sys 0m 0.04s > : > : > As in C, the braces mark a block, entry to and exit from which carries some > setup and takedown cost. When you have only one or two statements in the > block, that cost is a lot higher, proportionally, than if you have a lot of > statements in it. > [ stuff skipped ] > > If you have encountered a serious bottleneck in a real application, let me > know, maybe something can be done about it. > > - Frank I have played a bit with my examples as well as my larger system, and have generated the following two examples, changed only with addition of a couple of echo statements: -- testx.ksc -- #!/usr/bin/kermit + { assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p } echo test 1 { close } echo test 2 exit -- testy.ksc -- #!/usr/bin/kermit + assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p echo test 1 close echo test 2 exit Again, testy.ksc runs much faster. However, I am observing that, with the slower testx.ksc script, that "test 1" appears almost instantly, and that the vast majority of the 0.6 seconds is spent between "test 1" and "test 2" appearing, with "test 2" appearing right before the program ends. Then, I further modified testx.ksc as follows: --- testx1.ksc --- #!/usr/bin/kermit + { assign \%p 1, set line /dev/ttyAM\%p } echo test 1 { echo test 1a, close, echo test 1b } echo test 2 exit Now of course the output is: $ ./testx1.ksc test 1 test 1a test 1b test 2 and the vast majority of the pause is between the appearance of "test 1a" and "test 1b", thus demonstrating that the "close" statement is the cause of the problem. PLUS, look at the "time" output again (results very similar to the prior examples): $ time ./testx.ksc test 1 test 2 real 0m 0.63s user 0m 0.05s sys 0m 0.07s $ time ./testy.ksc test 1 test 2 real 0m 0.09s user 0m 0.04s sys 0m 0.05s Notice that the "user" and "sys" times for testx.ksc and testy.ksc are comparable and that for testy.ksc, the sum of "user" and "sys" are close to (or apparently exactly) the value for "real". However, the "real" time for testx.ksc is way off the chart compared to the sum of "user" and "sys" thus seeming to indicate that kermit is sleeping, waiting for I/O, or otherwise in some sort of suspended state for about 0.51s. Doesn't seem like time spent in setup or takedown of data structures to me. It would appear that the "close" statement is the culprit. Why? And why does it delay only for testx.ksc and not testy.ksc? From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 12:18:48 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: serial port forwarding (/dev/ttyS0) over IP/LAN Date: 21 Apr 2006 12:32:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <444800f9$0$11079$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1145622740 18830 128.59.59.56 (21 Apr 2006 12:32:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2006 12:32:20 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15570 On 2006-04-20, Florian Erfurth wrote: : Hello, : I have to try to get the serial port (/dev/ttyS0) from the remote PC to : locale PC so I can use the remote serial port as if it is from my own : (local) PC. The professor told me to use ckermit. Unfortunatelly I couldn't : find any howto about serial portforwarding over IP/LAN/INet. I didn't found : any german manual for ckermit... : A German edition of the C-Kermit manual was published by Verlag Heinz Heise in 1994: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html#ckde but this predates the feature you are looking for. : and I don't know which English search expression should I use at google in : order to find useful/needed information. I hope, anyone of you could help : me a little bit or tell me, where is good howto for my problem. : I think the information you want is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit80.html#x14 : Another question... is ckermit a server- or client-programm? As I : understand, it is a client-programm, so I have to install it on my (local) : PC in order to use the remote serial port. Am I right? : Yes. : Is it possible to : use ckermit as server, so the client-user doesn't have to install cserver : and could use telnet/ssh, huh? : Not for this purpse. : Server and client are both linux (maybe the professor want the client will : be linux/windows (or really platform indepentend)). : Kermit has many functions and options. Depending on what you want to use it for, it can be a client, a server, or a programming language. For an overview see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 12:18:52 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: outputting an escape key possible? Date: 21 Apr 2006 12:38:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1145623101 18830 128.59.59.56 (21 Apr 2006 12:38:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2006 12:38:21 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15571 On 2006-04-21, Scott Caissie wrote: : I'm having a hard time identifying the rule of whats Local and what isn't. : They all work in both screens. \Kexit (alt x) & \Kupscn (alt shift page up) : & \Kdnscn (alt shift page down) for example. \Kdnarr (down arrow) & \Kuparr : (up arrow) work in both windows as well, and can be outputted. : Some Kverbs send stuff, some don't. There is a list of Kverbs here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kverbs.html in which you can see a short description of each Kverb. : Up arrow vs Page up. Down arrow vs Page down. : The only recognizable difference is single and multiple key presses to : activate each. : Up-arrow sends an escape sequence to the host. Page up scrolls the emulator screen locally and does not send anything to the host. : I don't suppose theres a list of what can be outputted? would save some time : in trail and error. : See the list. Strictly speaking, you can put any Kverb in an OUTPUT command, and in most cases it perform its action when the OUTPUT command is executed. But that does not mean it will send anything to the other computer. Example 1: OUTPUT \Kuparr sends whatever characters the Up Arrow key would send, which depends on the active emulation and cursor keypad state. Example 2: OUTPUT \Kupscn scrolls the command back one screen and sends nothing to the other computer. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 12:19:00 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: speed of script execution Date: 25 Apr 2006 16:18:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <1145524573.729587.320320@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145661755.906411.37550@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1145981915 21759 128.59.59.56 (25 Apr 2006 16:18:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2006 16:18:35 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15573 On 2006-04-21, tomviolin wrote: : ... : It would appear that the "close" statement is the culprit. Why? And : why does it delay only for testx.ksc and not testy.ksc? : Closing a serial port can take time, depending on the driver -- maybe it's waiting for some modem signals to react. As to why it takes longer in a block than at top level, I confess, I haven't a clue. I'll try to find time to look at this but if you run across anything else in the meantime let me know. - Frank From david.bambic@penske.com Wed Apr 26 14:21:03 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "david.bambic@penske.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: question using "set tcp address" Date: 26 Apr 2006 05:52:46 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1146055965.966403.181660@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.91.147.186 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1146055975 22900 127.0.0.1 (26 Apr 2006 12:52:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:52:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; T312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 http-proxy.logistics.penske.com:8080 (squid/2.5.STABLE7), 1.0 clelx025ptlge.logistics.penske.com:80 (squid/2.5.STABLE6) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.91.147.186; posting-account=lt_qUg0AAAAG8GzziOlC7IAxHI9RARIK Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15574 I am running kermit C-Kermit 8.0.211, 10 Apr 2004, for HP-UX 11.00 Numeric: 800211 I am on a HPUX B.11.23 which has multiple network adapters (physical and virtual) with a different address for each adapter. I also tried on B.11.11 system with the same results. The physical address ends in a 192.148.89.11 and I set tcp address 192.148.89.47 I ftp to a host and I am still connecting from my physical address of 192.148.89.11 and I would expect to use 192.148.89.47 because I have set tcp address: SET TCP parameters: Reverse DNS lookup: automatic DNS Service Records lookup: off Keepalive: on Linger: off DontRoute: off Nodelay: off Send buffer: (default size) Receive buffer: (default size) address: 192.148.89.47 http-proxy: (none) any suggestion? Thanks David From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 14:25:45 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: question using "set tcp address" Date: 26 Apr 2006 18:25:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <1146055965.966403.181660@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146075938 12843 128.59.59.56 (26 Apr 2006 18:25:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2006 18:25:38 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15575 On 2006-04-26, david.bambic@penske.com wrote: : I am running kermit : : C-Kermit 8.0.211, 10 Apr 2004, for HP-UX 11.00 : Numeric: 800211 : : I am on a HPUX B.11.23 which has multiple network adapters (physical : and virtual) with a different address for each adapter. I also tried on : B.11.11 system with the same results. : The physical address ends in a 192.148.89.11 and I set tcp address : 192.148.89.47 : I ftp to a host and I am still connecting from my physical address of : 192.148.89.11 and I would expect to use 192.148.89.47 because I have : set tcp address: : : SET TCP parameters: : Reverse DNS lookup: automatic : DNS Service Records lookup: off : Keepalive: on : Linger: off : DontRoute: off : Nodelay: off : Send buffer: (default size) : Receive buffer: (default size) : address: 192.148.89.47 : http-proxy: (none) : I don't have access to any hosts with multiple network adapters so I can't troubleshoot this myself. From what you say, it appears you are using the SET TCP ADDRESS command as intended: SET TCP ADDRESS This allows a specific IP Address on a multihomed host to be used instead of allowing the TCP/IP stack to choose. This may be necessary when using authentication or listening for an incoming connection. Specify no to remove the preference. Try taking a debug log ("log debug", creates debug.log in current directory) to see if it illuminates the problem. - Frank From mylastname@gmcl.com Thu Apr 27 09:56:10 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!peer01.west.cox.net!cox.net!pd7cy1no!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.149.194.250 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Rob Brown X-X-Sender: brown@localhost.localdomain Subject: command line option -l not honoured if -y present Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Lines: 68 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:22:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.70.95.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1146093720 24.70.95.207 (Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:22:00 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:22:00 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15576 VMS 7.1 on alpha C-Kermit 8.0.209, 17 Mar 2003, for OpenVMS Alpha I was surprised to see that if the kermit command line has both -y filename and -l device name that the -l option is ignored altogether. Using this script file (test.scr): show comm echo \&@[0] echo \&@[1] echo \&@[2] echo \&@[3] echo \&@[4] echo \&@[5] echo \&@[6] echo \&@[7] exit and this command line: $ kermit -y test.scr -l lta15: I see this: Communications Parameters: Line: SYS$INPUT:, speed: 9600, mode: remote, modem: generic Parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Carrier-watch: auto, close-on-disconnect: off Typical port device name: TXA0:, TTA0:, or LTA0: Modem signals unavailable Type SHOW DIAL to see DIAL-related items. Type SHOW MODEM to see modem-related items. omega$dkb100:[cluster.][kermit]ckv209-axp-vms71-ucx41.exe;1 -y test.scr -l lta15: Note that the comm line did *not* get set to LTA15: even though the -l command requested that. CKV206-AXP-VMS71-NONET behaves similarly. Obviously I can work around this in the script file, but I did not expect this behaviour. Should I have? I could not find this behaviour mentioned in _Using C-Kermit_ (only the first edition, time to spend some more money I guess), nor in the online help, nor on the website. Thanks for the advice. - Rob -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! Edmonton (780)438-9343 (voice) (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 10:01:41 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: command line option -l not honoured if -y present Date: 27 Apr 2006 14:01:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146146495 19625 128.59.59.56 (27 Apr 2006 14:01:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2006 14:01:35 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15577 On 2006-04-26, Rob Brown wrote: : : VMS 7.1 on alpha : C-Kermit 8.0.209, 17 Mar 2003, for OpenVMS Alpha : : I was surprised to see that if the kermit command line has both : -y filename : and : -l device name : that the -l option is ignored altogether. : ... : Obviously I can work around this in the script file, but I did not : expect this behaviour. Should I have? I could not find this : behaviour mentioned in _Using C-Kermit_ (only the first edition, time : to spend some more money I guess), nor in the online help, nor on the : website. : I don't have a way to check this just now but if it's happening, it's not supposed to. (As time goes on, I have fewer machines in house, no VMS here any more, and less and less access to computers where I have the privilege to assign a serial communication device, let alone dial out on it.) Anyway I'll check it. Do you get the same result if you reverse the order of the command-line options? - Frank From mylastname@gmcl.com Thu Apr 27 12:15:44 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.149.194.250 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Rob Brown X-X-Sender: brown@localhost.localdomain Subject: Re: command line option -l not honoured if -y present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Lines: 32 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:41:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.70.95.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1146148877 24.70.95.207 (Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:41:17 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:41:17 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15578 On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Frank da Cruz wrote: > Do you get the same result if you reverse the order of the > command-line options? Yes, I do. I have since determined that just specifying the script file name and -l, as in: $ kermit test.scr -l lta15: fails in the same way. And if I move "test.scr" to the end of that command line, kermit says "invalid command-line option". > (As time goes on, I have fewer machines in house, no VMS here any > more, and less and less access to computers where I have the > privilege to assign a serial communication device, let alone dial > out on it.) I might be able to set something up for you here. Watch for an e-mail from me later today. - Rob -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! Edmonton (780)438-9343 (voice) (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 12:15:48 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit-10 3.136 Date: 27 Apr 2006 15:09:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146150551 21272 128.59.59.56 (27 Apr 2006 15:09:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2006 15:09:11 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15579 An update to PDP-10 DECsystem-10 Kermit from Nick Bush, one of the original authors. This was one of the first Kermit programs written outside of Columbia University, and it was written to be portable to three different Digital Equipment Corporation platforms: the PDP-10 with TOPS-10, the VAX with VMS, and the Professional 350 and 380 PDP-11 based workstations with P/OS, the main three platforms in use at Stevens Institute of Technology in 1983, where Nick worked at the time. While P/OS is long forgotten, VMS is still surprisingly strong after nearly 30 years (but nowadays we use C-Kermit there rather than Stevens' Kermit-32). The 36-bit PDP-10, like its sibling the DECSYSTEM-20, were highly influential machines of the 1970s and 80s. Although a few are still operational, the resurgence of interest in them comes from the recent availability of hardware emulators for these machines that can be run on today's desktop architectures. The new release of PDP-10 Kermit, Kermit-10 3.136, unifies the various patches that have come in since Stevens halted development 20 years ago, and also fixes a few bugs, notably incorrect terminal modes upon return from CONNECT mode (e.g. ESC would echo as $). Thanks to Nick for remembering how to do this! The new version is accessible from the PDP-10 Kermit page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp10.html as is information about the PDP-10 emulators and related topics. - Frank From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Mon May 1 07:52:17 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: serial port forwarding (/dev/ttyS0) over IP/LAN Date: 27 Apr 2006 23:29:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1146205748.037960.110590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <444800f9$0$11079$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.53.150.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1146205755 21632 127.0.0.1 (28 Apr 2006 06:29:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:29:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Firefox/1.5.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.53.150.18; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15580 For the serial port forwarding over IP, we use telnetcpcd: http://sourceforge.net/projects/telnetcpcd/ I believe it does exactly what you want, and it was even written with Kermit in mind. From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Tue May 2 07:36:19 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: output pacing questions Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 06:42:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.24.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1146552150 156.34.24.236 (Tue, 02 May 2006 03:42:30 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 03:42:30 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15582 Whats the default pacing speed? I'm guessing 1 millisecond. Can I turn off the pre-check for pacing speed? When I increase this to a significant number such as 1000-2000 milliseconds, and try to output a string, it waits the full duration in COMMAND mode for the pacing. When I go to CONNECT mode, it takes an equal amount of time to output it. I have no problem with the last part. Its suppose to output at a certain speed that you specify. I just don't get why it does a pre-check on pacing. example: set output pacing 2000 output testing123 its gonna sit for 20 seconds before I get access to the prompt again. Then when I go to CONNECT mode, it will do the same thing. How do I turn off the pre-checking or whatever this is? The main goal was to do a very long task by checking anywhere from 10-200 articles. I wanted it slow enough as to not cause any errors as to which screen it will be on. But the pre-check phase sorta scraped that idea entirely. From david.bambic@penske.com Tue May 2 12:08:05 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "david.bambic@penske.com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: question using "set tcp address" Date: 28 Apr 2006 06:31:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1146231115.275141.297260@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1146055965.966403.181660@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.91.147.186 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1146231123 5490 127.0.0.1 (28 Apr 2006 13:32:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:32:03 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; T312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 http-proxy.logistics.penske.com:8080 (squid/2.5.STABLE7), 1.0 clelx025ptlge.logistics.penske.com:80 (squid/2.5.STABLE6) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.91.147.186; posting-account=lt_qUg0AAAAG8GzziOlC7IAxHI9RARIK Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15581 I did run it again to produce the debug log. I emailed the debug log directly to you. Thanks David From fdc@columbia.edu Tue May 2 12:10:11 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: output pacing questions Date: 2 May 2006 11:37:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146569823 2509 128.59.59.56 (2 May 2006 11:37:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2006 11:37:03 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15583 On 2006-05-02, Scott Caissie wrote: > Whats the default pacing speed? I'm guessing 1 millisecond. > Default is no pacing at all. If you "output foo" then "foo" is sent as a string. > Can I turn off the pre-check for pacing speed? > When I increase this to a significant number such as 1000-2000 milliseconds, > and try to output a string, it waits the full duration in COMMAND mode for > the pacing. When I go to CONNECT mode, it takes an equal amount of time to > output it. I have no problem with the last part. Its suppose to output at a > certain speed that you specify. > I just don't get why it does a pre-check on pacing. > > example: > set output pacing 2000 > output testing123 > its gonna sit for 20 seconds before I get access to the prompt again. Then > when I go to CONNECT mode, it will do the same thing. How do I turn off the > pre-checking or whatever this is? > This doesn't sound to me like something it's supposed to do. The pacing quantity is supposed to apply after each character of the OUTPUT string. I did a quick check just now (on an SSH connection): set output pacing 1000 output foo This took exactly 3 seconds, as expected. > The main goal was to do a very long task by checking anywhere from 10-200 > articles. I wanted it slow enough as to not cause any errors as to which > screen it will be on. But the pre-check phase sorta scraped that idea > entirely. > I guess I don't understand your application, but there are many ways to synchronize things. The only purpose for OUTPUT PACING is to prevent data overruns on connections that are not properly flow-controlled. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Tue May 2 12:10:19 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: question using "set tcp address" Date: 2 May 2006 16:10:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <1146055965.966403.181660@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146231115.275141.297260@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146586207 17370 128.59.59.56 (2 May 2006 16:10:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2006 16:10:07 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15584 On 2006-04-28, david.bambic@penske.com wrote: : I did run it again to produce the debug log. I emailed the debug log : directly to you. : Thanks, sorry for the delay. The problem is that Kermit's FTP client has its own routine for opening TCP connection, rather than using the same routine that is used for Telnet and other connection types. The latter takes the TCP ADDRESS setting into account, but it seems the FTP code does not. This will need to be fixed; I'll add it to my (very long) list. In the meantime, if any readers would like to pitch in, the variable in question is tcp_address. The way it is used in netopen() in ckcnet.c needs to be carried over to ftpopen() in ckcftp.c. - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Wed May 3 13:59:28 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: output pacing questions Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <%RN5g.2067$A26.59642@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 18:50:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.24.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1146595835 156.34.24.236 (Tue, 02 May 2006 15:50:35 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:50:35 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15585 After changing the output pacing, I wanted to change it back to the original value which is why I wanted to know the default value after it was done its task. "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrne5eh2v.67g.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu... > On 2006-05-02, Scott Caissie wrote: >> Whats the default pacing speed? I'm guessing 1 millisecond. >> > Default is no pacing at all. If you "output foo" then "foo" is sent > as a string. > >> Can I turn off the pre-check for pacing speed? >> When I increase this to a significant number such as 1000-2000 >> milliseconds, >> and try to output a string, it waits the full duration in COMMAND mode >> for >> the pacing. When I go to CONNECT mode, it takes an equal amount of time >> to >> output it. I have no problem with the last part. Its suppose to output at >> a >> certain speed that you specify. >> I just don't get why it does a pre-check on pacing. >> >> example: >> set output pacing 2000 >> output testing123 >> its gonna sit for 20 seconds before I get access to the prompt again. >> Then >> when I go to CONNECT mode, it will do the same thing. How do I turn off >> the >> pre-checking or whatever this is? >> > This doesn't sound to me like something it's supposed to do. The pacing > quantity is supposed to apply after each character of the OUTPUT string. > I did a quick check just now (on an SSH connection): > > set output pacing 1000 > output foo > > This took exactly 3 seconds, as expected. > >> The main goal was to do a very long task by checking anywhere from 10-200 >> articles. I wanted it slow enough as to not cause any errors as to which >> screen it will be on. But the pre-check phase sorta scraped that idea >> entirely. >> > I guess I don't understand your application, but there are many ways to > synchronize things. The only purpose for OUTPUT PACING is to prevent data > overruns on connections that are not properly flow-controlled. > > - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Wed May 3 14:00:22 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: output pacing questions Date: 3 May 2006 18:00:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <%RN5g.2067$A26.59642@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146679215 6458 128.59.59.56 (3 May 2006 18:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2006 18:00:15 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15586 On 2006-05-02, Scott Caissie wrote: : After changing the output pacing, I wanted to change it back to the original : value which is why I wanted to know the default value after it was done its : task. : HELP SET OUTPUT tells the story. - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Thu May 4 09:50:23 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.litech.org!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: alt x oddity Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 06:26:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.24.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1146723999 156.34.24.236 (Thu, 04 May 2006 03:26:39 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 03:26:39 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15587 Alt X (\Kexit) has a slight oddity in it that I hope someone can explain to me. When I use Alt X while in CONNECT mode to reach COMMAND mode I get this situation: Pressing Alt X (or C) to return back to CONNECT mode. When activating a definition macro afterwards, it won't process. It just jumps to the COMMAND window's prompt. You can then re-try the macro and it'll work. There must be a very small detail I'm missing. All my macros, which are activated in CONNECT mode are formatted as: set key \## \kTest Define test { .... Connect Return } Now when I use this macro while in CONNECT mode, it rapidly jumps to COMMAND mode, where it does its thing, then immidately goes back into CONNECT mode. I do this repeatedly and everything is perfect. Never am I stuck at the prompt using my macros. Why then does using the commands, Alt X or C, manually not have the same effect? Why does it negate the next definition type macro used? From fdc@columbia.edu Thu May 4 09:55:20 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: alt x oddity Date: 4 May 2006 13:54:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146750894 13288 128.59.59.56 (4 May 2006 13:54:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 2006 13:54:54 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15588 On 2006-05-04, Scott Caissie wrote: : Alt X (\Kexit) has a slight oddity in it that I hope someone can explain : to me. : : When I use Alt X while in CONNECT mode to reach COMMAND mode I get this : situation: : : Pressing Alt X (or C) to return back to CONNECT mode. When activating a : definition macro afterwards, it won't process. It just jumps to the COMMAND : window's prompt. You can then re-try the macro and it'll work. : : There must be a very small detail I'm missing. : All my macros, which are activated in CONNECT mode are formatted as: : : set key \## \kTest : Define test { : .... : Connect : Return : } : : Now when I use this macro while in CONNECT mode, it rapidly jumps to COMMAND : mode, where it does its thing, then immidately goes back into CONNECT mode. : I do this repeatedly and everything is perfect. : : Never am I stuck at the prompt using my macros. : Why then does using the commands, Alt X or C, manually not have the same : effect? Why does it negate the next definition type macro used? : See the recent thread on this same topic. This is one of the most annoying bugs in Kermit 95 2.1.3: macros assigned to keystrokes simply do not work as expected. Quoting from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/newbugs.txt : 735. Macros on Keys broken In versions 1.1.21 through 2.1.3, when a SET [TERMINAL] KEY definition includes a macro invocation, then pressing the key while in the Terminal screen returns to the command screen (and in some cases might also fail to execute the macro). A workaround would be to: define myconnect connect /synchronous (make the connection with SET PORT, DIAL, or SET HOST) if success do myconnect This is fixed in the next release. And then to address the inevitable next question, "How do I get the fix?" or "When will the next release come out?", see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri May 5 10:40:51 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: alt x oddity Lines: 100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 07:10:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.24.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1146813001 156.34.24.236 (Fri, 05 May 2006 04:10:01 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 04:10:01 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15590 is there a great amount of technical detail as to what the fix actually does? The bug and the fix is so vague. I did discover another problem with those macros. Its a very percular one involving IF and ELSE statements. If I have a macro with a number of IF statements (using bracketed off commands) and use that macro about a hundred times or so (very realistic), theres a chance of an error occuring. Error #1 pop up box saying it encountered a problem and needs to close. Error #2 looking at the COMMAND window with a flashing cursor. Effectively frozen. Can't break out of it. Must close the program. By chance I discovered that adding ELSE statements, even empty ones, drastically reduces this. So I do this all the time though it looks silly. example: SET KEY \## \KTEST DEFINE TEST { IF NOT DEF \%A { MISC 1 MISC 2 } ELSE { } CONNECT /SYNCHRONOUS (spelling?) RETURN } I'm only assuming that repeated use of the Macros causes a problem with the Brackets. The last bracket (and anything after CONNECT) is never reached as far as I know. The ELSE statements seems to help reassure the structure of the macro, but not completely. Thats my observation so far. Those empty else statements worked wonders but still not perfect. "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrne5k1te.ik6.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu... > On 2006-05-04, Scott Caissie wrote: > : Alt X (\Kexit) has a slight oddity in it that I hope someone can explain > : to me. > : > : When I use Alt X while in CONNECT mode to reach COMMAND mode I get this > : situation: > : > : Pressing Alt X (or C) to return back to CONNECT mode. When activating a > : definition macro afterwards, it won't process. It just jumps to the > COMMAND > : window's prompt. You can then re-try the macro and it'll work. > : > : There must be a very small detail I'm missing. > : All my macros, which are activated in CONNECT mode are formatted as: > : > : set key \## \kTest > : Define test { > : .... > : Connect > : Return > : } > : > : Now when I use this macro while in CONNECT mode, it rapidly jumps to > COMMAND > : mode, where it does its thing, then immidately goes back into CONNECT > mode. > : I do this repeatedly and everything is perfect. > : > : Never am I stuck at the prompt using my macros. > : Why then does using the commands, Alt X or C, manually not have the same > : effect? Why does it negate the next definition type macro used? > : > See the recent thread on this same topic. This is one of the most > annoying > bugs in Kermit 95 2.1.3: macros assigned to keystrokes simply do not work > as > expected. Quoting from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/newbugs.txt : > > 735. Macros on Keys broken > > In versions 1.1.21 through 2.1.3, when a SET [TERMINAL] KEY definition > includes a macro invocation, then pressing the key while in the > Terminal screen returns to the command screen (and in some cases might > also fail to execute the macro). A workaround would be to: > > define myconnect connect /synchronous > (make the connection with SET PORT, DIAL, or SET HOST) > if success do myconnect > > This is fixed in the next release. > > And then to address the inevitable next question, "How do I get the fix?" > or > "When will the next release come out?", see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html > > - Frank From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Fri May 5 10:48:18 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: using FILE OPEN quadruples memory usage! Date: 4 May 2006 15:53:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 68 Message-ID: <1146783231.532130.44080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.149.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1146783236 7588 127.0.0.1 (4 May 2006 22:53:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:53:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.3) Gecko/20060426 Firefox/1.5.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.89.149.244; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15589 I have discovered that using FILE OPEN in C-Kermit 8.0.211 causes Kermit's memory usage to quadruple. The memory usage does not go back down after the file(s) are closed, either. This memory explosion does NOT appear to occur when the "old" OPEN FILE method is used, only with the "new" FILE OPEN method. So it is possible to work around it, albeit inconveniently at times. Further openings of files do not appear to result in further memory expansion. I was able to have multiple files open using FILE OPEN and it did not proceed to octuple memory usage, for example. I'm using Kermit compiled for ARM with "make linuxnc KFLAGS=-DNOBIGBUF" (I'm trying to save memory!) and running on a 32M embedded board running the Linux 2.4.26-ts9 kernel. How can this be happening if FILE OPEN is simply a front-end for the fopen() system call? I could see memory on the order of kilobytes being allocated, but we're talking several megabytes of memory being consumed here, just from opening a text file. Is there perhaps some Makefile option (along the lines of the -DNOBIGBUF that I already used) that can mitigate this? Witness the following test: session one is a Kermit session, and session 2 is showing the results of ps v -p performed on the Kermit process at each step. --- session one --- $ kermit C-Kermit 8.0.211, 10 Apr 2004, for Linux Copyright (C) 1985, 2004, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/home/dlogger/) C-Kermit>echo \v(pid) 29009 (/home/dlogger/) C-Kermit> -- session two -- $ ps v -p 29009 PID TTY STAT TIME MAJFL TRS DRS RSS %MEM COMMAND 29009 pts/1 S 0:00 247 1666 2849 1308 4.5 kermit $ -- session one -- (/home/dlogger/) C-Kermit>file open \%f .profile (/home/dlogger/) C-Kermit> -- session two -- $ ps v -p 29009 PID TTY STAT TIME MAJFL TRS DRS RSS %MEM COMMAND 29009 pts/1 S 0:00 265 1666 6905 5452 18.9 kermit $ -- session one -- (/home/dlogger/) C-Kermit>file close all (/home/dlogger/) C-Kermit> -- session two -- $ ps v -p 29009 PID TTY STAT TIME MAJFL TRS DRS RSS %MEM COMMAND 29009 pts/1 S 0:00 267 1666 6905 5460 19.0 kermit $ --- end of sessions --- Note that the memory usage actually went UP even further after the file was closed! From fdc@columbia.edu Fri May 5 11:23:26 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: alt x oddity Date: 5 May 2006 14:48:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146840489 27247 128.59.59.56 (5 May 2006 14:48:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2006 14:48:09 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15591 On 2006-05-05, Scott Caissie wrote: : is there a great amount of technical detail as to what the fix actually : does? The bug and the fix is so vague. : Kermit 95 runs in multiple threads that have to be synchronized. The command screen and the terminal screen are just two examples. Executing commands while in the terminal screen's context is rather tricky business and that's where the bug is. : I did discover another problem with those macros. Its a very percular one : involving IF and ELSE statements. : If I have a macro with a number of IF statements (using bracketed off : commands) and use that macro about a hundred times or so (very realistic), : theres a chance of an error occuring. : Error #1 pop up box saying it encountered a problem and needs to close. : Error #2 looking at the COMMAND window with a flashing cursor. Effectively : frozen. Can't break out of it. Must close the program. : I suspect this is an artifact of the same bug. If you invoke the same macro from the command context the same number of times, I suspect it you won't see a problem. Again, see our support page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html A version of K95 is available that fixes the bug, but it's not free due to the circumstances explained on the support page. I continue to work to make the needed arrangements to release a new version with this fix and many others and quite a few new features as well. But it will likely not be free either. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Fri May 5 11:23:30 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using FILE OPEN quadruples memory usage! Date: 5 May 2006 15:23:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <1146783231.532130.44080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146842597 27247 128.59.59.56 (5 May 2006 15:23:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2006 15:23:17 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15592 On 2006-05-04, tomviolin wrote: : I have discovered that using FILE OPEN in C-Kermit 8.0.211 causes : Kermit's memory usage to quadruple. The memory usage does not go back : down after the file(s) are closed, either. : : This memory explosion does NOT appear to occur when the "old" OPEN FILE : method is used, only with the "new" FILE OPEN method. So it is : possible to work around it, albeit inconveniently at times. : : Further openings of files do not appear to result in further memory : expansion. I was able to have multiple files open using FILE OPEN and : it did not proceed to octuple memory usage, for example. : The FILE OPEN code is in ckuus7.c within #ifdef CKCHANNELIO..#endif, about 1640 lines that I wrote six years ago. There's a spot where we malloc z_maxchan times sizeof(struct ckz_file), which includes a filename buffer of about 1K. This happens once, the first time FILE OPEN is used. Probably this storage is never deallocated, since a new file might be opened at any time. When I wrote the code, the maximum number of open files per process (as reported by sysconf) was usually a small number, less than 100. Now I see that in current Linuxes, it's more like 1000. So that would account for about a megabyte. : I'm using Kermit compiled for ARM with "make linuxnc KFLAGS=-DNOBIGBUF" : (I'm trying to save memory!) and running on a 32M embedded board : running the Linux 2.4.26-ts9 kernel. : : How can this be happening if FILE OPEN is simply a front-end for the : fopen() system call? : It does its own bookkeeping, has its own mini-FILE struct for each channel. : I could see memory on the order of kilobytes : being allocated, but we're talking several megabytes of memory being : consumed here, just from opening a text file. : In Linux (in this case Red Hat AS 4 on AMD-64), if I start Kermit, log debug, do an FOPEN, exit, and then "grep z_maxchan debug.log" I see: z_open z_maxchan 1=-2 z_open z_maxchan 2=1006 z_open z_maxchan 3=1006 1006 is the number of mini-FILE structs that are allocated. I can see that this could be done with a big more finesse. It wasn't an issue before. I'll see what I can do in the next 8.0.212 development upload: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Fri May 5 13:16:07 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using FILE OPEN quadruples memory usage! Date: 5 May 2006 17:15:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <1146783231.532130.44080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1146849353 6121 128.59.59.56 (5 May 2006 17:15:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2006 17:15:53 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15593 On 2006-05-05, Frank da Cruz wrote: : On 2006-05-04, tomviolin wrote: :: I have discovered that using FILE OPEN in C-Kermit 8.0.211 causes :: Kermit's memory usage to quadruple. The memory usage does not go back :: down after the file(s) are closed, either. : ... : I'll see what I can do in the next 8.0.212 development upload: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html : If you have the most recent "ckdaily", please download a new copy of ckuus7.c from here: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/tmp/ckuus7.c and rebuild, see if it's better. I ran a few scripts through it that open and close and read files and they seem to be ok. - Frank From edgage@gmail.com Sat May 6 15:11:11 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Ed Gage" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels Date: 5 May 2006 13:32:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.175.9.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1146861130 8602 127.0.0.1 (5 May 2006 20:32:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:32:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.175.9.114; posting-account=n2RQvg0AAACdyE7hdyUFKqejJdt16fuE Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15594 Read through the other FTP thread -- very helpful. The obstacle I'm dealing with is connecting to a secure FTP server through our router. I'm behind a Linksys router which for some reason doesn't like to read encrypted packets. Here's what I tried with a newly-compiled CKERMIT 8.12: set ftp autoencryption off set ftp authtype ssl set ftp command-protection-level clear ftp ###.###.###.### /user:##### /password:##### It responds with: Connected to ###.###.###.### SSL accepted as authentication type ...then the self-signed certificate issue discussed in the other thread, but not a crisis at this time. The issue is a SHOW FTP returning: Available security methods: ftp authtype: SSL ftp auto-encryption: off ftp credential-forwarding: off ftp command-protection-level: safe ftp data-protection-level: private ftp secure proxy: (not set) How come when I set the command-protection-level to clear, it connects as safe? Is this dictated by the server? From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sat May 6 15:11:26 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!68.1.17.232.MISMATCH!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels References: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 21:06:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1146863216 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 05 May 2006 17:06:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 17:06:56 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15595 C-Kermit does not allow the command channel to be reset to clear after it is protected by AUTH TLS. This is simply not permitted. Jeffrey Altman Ed Gage wrote: > Read through the other FTP thread -- very helpful. > > The obstacle I'm dealing with is connecting to a secure FTP server > through our router. I'm behind a Linksys router which for some reason > doesn't like to read encrypted packets. > > Here's what I tried with a newly-compiled CKERMIT 8.12: > > set ftp autoencryption off > set ftp authtype ssl > set ftp command-protection-level clear > ftp ###.###.###.### /user:##### /password:##### > > It responds with: > Connected to ###.###.###.### > SSL accepted as authentication type > > ....then the self-signed certificate issue discussed in the other > thread, but not a crisis at this time. > > The issue is a SHOW FTP returning: > > Available security methods: > > ftp authtype: SSL > ftp auto-encryption: off > ftp credential-forwarding: off > ftp command-protection-level: safe > ftp data-protection-level: private > ftp secure proxy: (not set) > > How come when I set the command-protection-level to clear, it connects > as safe? Is this dictated by the server? > From edgage@gmail.com Sun May 7 13:20:00 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Ed Gage" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels Date: 6 May 2006 21:30:19 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1146976219.923605.52950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.175.9.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1146976225 9368 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2006 04:30:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 04:30:25 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.175.9.35; posting-account=n2RQvg0AAACdyE7hdyUFKqejJdt16fuE Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15596 I don't think I was using TLS. I even turned the autoencryption off and forced the AUTHTYPE to be SSL. The SHOW FTP indicates that it indeed is using SSL, not TLS. Or am I missing something all together? From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun May 7 13:20:04 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels References: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146976219.923605.52950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1146976219.923605.52950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 12:20:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1147004401 68.175.91.105 (Sun, 07 May 2006 08:20:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 08:20:01 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15597 Ed Gage wrote: > I don't think I was using TLS. I even turned the autoencryption off > and forced the AUTHTYPE to be SSL. The SHOW FTP indicates that it > indeed is using SSL, not TLS. Or am I missing something all together? > SSL 1.0, SSL 2.0, SSL 3.0 == TLS 1.0, SSL 3.1 == TLS 1.1 SSL was a proprietary protocol from Netscape. When it was standardized by the IETF the name was changed. From edgage@gmail.com Wed May 10 12:12:16 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Ed Gage" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels Date: 7 May 2006 16:04:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1147043095.270056.69240@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> References: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146976219.923605.52950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.175.9.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147043102 2200 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2006 23:05:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 23:05:02 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.3) Gecko/20060426 Firefox/1.5.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.175.9.35; posting-account=n2RQvg0AAACdyE7hdyUFKqejJdt16fuE Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15598 So is there a way, then, to "dummy down" the SSL? I used openSSL 0.9.7 for the compile. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Wed May 10 12:12:20 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels References: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146976219.923605.52950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147043095.270056.69240@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1147043095.270056.69240@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 23:20:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1147044024 68.175.91.105 (Sun, 07 May 2006 19:20:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 19:20:24 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15599 Ed Gage wrote: > So is there a way, then, to "dummy down" the SSL? I used openSSL 0.9.7 > for the compile. This has nothing to do with dummying down the SSL. C-Kermit does not implement the functionality. Can the functionality be added to C-Kermit by a programmer familiar with both the FTP authentication protocols and C-Kermit? Yes. From edgage@gmail.com Wed May 10 12:12:25 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Ed Gage" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels Date: 8 May 2006 09:22:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1147105376.289932.262580@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146976219.923605.52950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147043095.270056.69240@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.175.9.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147105382 16963 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2006 16:23:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.175.9.114; posting-account=n2RQvg0AAACdyE7hdyUFKqejJdt16fuE Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15601 Your response suggests that there might be other products out there that would have this capability. If so, what are they? Alternatively, if we select a router that has a firewall which allows external addresses to map to an internal NAT-protected IP, would that also solve the problem? From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Wed May 10 12:12:29 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels References: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146976219.923605.52950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147043095.270056.69240@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1147105376.289932.262580@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1147105376.289932.262580@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 17:37:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1147109878 68.175.91.105 (Mon, 08 May 2006 13:37:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:37:58 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15602 Ed Gage wrote: > Your response suggests that there might be other products out there > that would have this capability. If so, what are they? Alternatively, > if we select a router that has a firewall which allows external > addresses to map to an internal NAT-protected IP, would that also solve > the problem? Ed: Didn't this thread start because you had another product that did have this functionality and you wanted to know if you could replace it with C-Kermit? Here is your problem. Your company wants to have secure communications between a client that you control and a remote server that you do not control. In order to do this, you must create a mutually authenticated, encrypted, and integrity protected channel between your client and the remote server. At no point during the communication session can you allow the encryption or integrity protection to drop without becoming susceptible to an active attack whereby the attacker waits until the authentication has been performed and then steals the tcp session. At the same time your company doesn't want to allow an communication through your firewall that is not authorized. You are enforcing that policy by requiring the firewall to snoop each session and if it is FTP either restrict what commands can be sent or logging each command that is sent so that there would be evidence of the transfer of a trade secret. This is incompatible with the concept of a secure private session between your client and the remote server. You can't have it both ways. I don't write insecure applications. If you want to hire someone to make your communications insecure you can by all means do so. But if you are going to use software I wrote to perform a secure communication then that communication is going to be secure. The whole notion of firewalls acting as the man in the middle is flawed. You can't be the man in the middle when using http over ssl/tls to communicate with your bank. Why should you be able to do so when the protocol is ftp? Jeffrey Altman From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:12:32 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using FILE OPEN quadruples memory usage! Date: 8 May 2006 08:45:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1147103117.269410.72970@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1146783231.532130.44080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.149.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147103126 11508 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2006 15:45:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:45:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.3) Gecko/20060426 Firefox/1.5.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.89.149.244; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15600 Frank, Thanks for doing this so quickly! Yes, the memory usage is much improved now. -Tom From quertyq@hotmail.com Thu May 11 15:31:21 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "quertyq" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script compiling / encrypting? Date: 11 May 2006 11:15:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1147371315.638050.245860@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.46.135.102 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147371320 13550 127.0.0.1 (11 May 2006 18:15:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:15:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 8.54,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.46.135.102; posting-account=E7ENXwwAAADj27LiNAMOxAk5--DpgseB Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15603 Good afternoon, Is there any way that I can compile, encrypt, or hide Kermit scripting so that the end user does not see the code? Thanks, Matthiew From fdc@columbia.edu Thu May 11 15:44:57 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script compiling / encrypting? Date: 11 May 2006 19:44:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <1147371315.638050.245860@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1147376684 20079 128.59.59.56 (11 May 2006 19:44:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2006 19:44:44 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15604 On 2006-05-11, quertyq wrote: : Is there any way that I can compile, encrypt, or hide Kermit scripting : so that the end user does not see the code? : There is no Kermit script compiler. Encryption, of course, is a possibility but you would have to decrypt the script before use, which would require entry or storage of a key in the clear, which would defeat the purpose. In Unix, you might think you could give the script a "kerbang line" and execute-but-not-read permission, but this doesn't work because then Kermit itself can't read the script, just like what happens with shell scripts. Anyway, before Kermit can execute commands, it has to receive them in clear text. Even if the script itself were hidden from the user, it would still be possible to SET TAKE ECHO ON, SET MACRO ECHO ON, and/or LOG DEBUG to see the commands that are being executed. Offhand, the only solution I can think of would be to write the script as a macro and then build it into the Kermit binary itself (you can see some examples of predefined macros in ckuus5.c), then set the binary execute-only. And remove the SET MACRO ECHO ON and LOG DEBUG commands! Maybe if you explain why you don't want the user to see the code, another approach can be suggested. - Frank From quertyq@hotmail.com Sat May 13 10:50:22 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "quertyq" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script compiling / encrypting? Date: 12 May 2006 09:19:46 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1147450786.063942.270090@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1147371315.638050.245860@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.46.135.102 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147450791 8168 127.0.0.1 (12 May 2006 16:19:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Firefox/1.5.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.46.135.102; posting-account=E7ENXwwAAADj27LiNAMOxAk5--DpgseB Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15605 Hi Frank, I am writing a program for our company to do file transferrs on the user's computers, and an FTP server which is used by a controlling program on the user's computers. We would not want to use a shared file system because we do not want the users to have direct access to these files ... only controlled access through a program where they point & click. We can also control permissions at the server level. The program may have to be updated from time ( on the user's computers ) to time to change logins, passwords, source & target directories, etc. The only forseeable problem is how to conceal the code so that ambitious end users cannot open the source with an editor and "play". Since they use winxp, I'm at a loss on how to do this ( if it is even possible ). - Matt From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Sat May 13 10:51:45 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script compiling / encrypting? Date: 12 May 2006 16:04:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 56 Message-ID: <1147475060.983681.275370@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1147371315.638050.245860@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147450786.063942.270090@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147475066 6559 127.0.0.1 (12 May 2006 23:04:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:04:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.3) Gecko/20060426 Firefox/1.5.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15606 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > quertyq wrote: > > Hi Frank, > > > > I am writing a program for our company to do > > file transferrs on the user's computers, and an > > FTP server which is used by a controlling > > program on the user's computers. We would > > not want to use a shared file system because > > we do not want the users to have direct access > > to these files ... only controlled access through > > a program where they point & click. We can > > also control permissions at the server level. > > > > The program may have to be updated from time > > ( on the user's computers ) to time to change > > logins, passwords, source & target directories, > > etc. The only forseeable problem is how to > > conceal the code so that ambitious end users > > cannot open the source with an editor and "play". > > > > Since they use winxp, I'm at a loss on how to > > do this ( if it is even possible ). > > > > - Matt > > If the program runs in the user's account, then the > most you can do is obfuscate the information. If the > program runs on the machine in a different account, > such as that belonging to a service, then you can > prevent the user's from being able to access the > details such as login info, locations, etc. > > If you set things up properly, then you can even > control the contents of the registry information for > the service by using Active Directory Group Policy > to push out changes to the machines. > > Personally, I would simply use a secure distributed > file system and grant the user's access to the appropriate > files on an as needed basis. If you need to change the > locations, change the ACLs. > > Jeffrey Altman An alternate approach is to use a wrapper program which contains the Kermit script in binary form, or encripted if you must. Execute the kermit script by launching the wrapper which writes the script to a temporary file then uses it to run the kermit transfer then deletes the temporary file, always deletes the temporary file. Not a perfectly secure solution, but reasonably so. If updates are required, simply replace the wrapper. Regards...Dan. From john.santos@post.harvard.edu Sat May 13 10:51:55 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trndny07.POSTED!60760995!not-for-mail From: John Santos Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another Secure FTP thread -- Protection Levels Message-ID: References: <1146861121.842424.256350@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146976219.923605.52950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147043095.270056.69240@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1147105376.289932.262580@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: john.santos@post.harvard.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.60.2060 Lines: 87 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 08:00:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.243.61.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trndny07 1147507221 71.243.61.168 (Sat, 13 May 2006 04:00:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 04:00:21 EDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15607 In article , jaltman2 @nyc.rr.com says... > Ed Gage wrote: > > Your response suggests that there might be other products out there > > that would have this capability. If so, what are they? Alternatively, > > if we select a router that has a firewall which allows external > > addresses to map to an internal NAT-protected IP, would that also solve > > the problem? > > Ed: > > Didn't this thread start because you had another product that did have > this functionality and you wanted to know if you could replace it with > C-Kermit? > > Here is your problem. Your company wants to have secure communications > between a client that you control and a remote server that you do not > control. In order to do this, you must create a mutually authenticated, > encrypted, and integrity protected channel between your client and the > remote server. At no point during the communication session can you > allow the encryption or integrity protection to drop without becoming > susceptible to an active attack whereby the attacker waits until the > authentication has been performed and then steals the tcp session. > > At the same time your company doesn't want to allow an communication > through your firewall that is not authorized. You are enforcing that > policy by requiring the firewall to snoop each session and if it is > FTP either restrict what commands can be sent or logging each command > that is sent so that there would be evidence of the transfer of a trade > secret. This is incompatible with the concept of a secure private > session between your client and the remote server. > > You can't have it both ways. I don't write insecure applications. > If you want to hire someone to make your communications insecure you > can by all means do so. But if you are going to use software I wrote > to perform a secure communication then that communication is going to > be secure. > > The whole notion of firewalls acting as the man in the middle is flawed. > You can't be the man in the middle when using http over ssl/tls to > communicate with your bank. Why should you be able to do so when the > protocol is ftp? > > Jeffrey Altman I think to do this, the OP's company's security people need to set up a gateway or proxy system (not the firewall) to act as an FTP relay between his system and the remote system. There would then be two FTP connections, his system to the gateway, and gateway (through the firewall) to the remote system. He would need to establish his FTP session to the gateway, telling it via some magic (encoded in the username or file specification or stored in a config file on the gateway or ...) that he really wanted to send the file to the remote system (or that he wanted to pull it back). The gateway would then set up a second (encrypted) FTP session to the remote end. It would receive packets from the first system, decrypt them, do what ever validation and logging is needed, re-encrypt them and send them over the 2nd FTP connection to the remote end. The same in reverse for the reply packets. The encryption between your system and the gateway and the encryption between the gateway and the remote system need not have any connection: separate keys, certificates, algorithms, etc. (He may not even need any encryption between his system and the gateway; that depends on how much the security people trust their corporate network. Most likely it will be required, though.) The firewall would be coded to allow encrypted traffic from the gateway server (but not his own system) to the specified remote system, and rely on the gateway to do the necessary validation and logging. Both the gateway and the firewall would be under control of the security people, not the end users. You (the OP) could use Kermit to do the FTP client functions on your system, just as you do (or are trying to do) now. For that matter, you could probably implement the gateway system as a giant Kermit macro, too :-) I think secure FTP gateways (not sure what they are called) are available commercially. At least one company I know of uses one to send credit card information to the company that actually manufactures and mails the credit cards to their customers, so it must be fairly secure. I don't know if the gateway they are using is home-brew or COTS. Maybe the firewall people at the OP's company already have one - he should ask. -- John From fdc@columbia.edu Sat May 13 13:12:56 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.18 available Date: 13 May 2006 17:10:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1147540206 12636 128.59.59.56 (13 May 2006 17:10:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2006 17:10:06 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15608 C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.18 includes the FILE command memory allocation improvement discussed here recently. The major change, however, is a new RENAME command that some of you will find handy, documented here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckrename.html Various other problems that have been reported or discussed here recently have not yet been addressed, e.g. SET TCP ADDRESS ignored by ftp client; "kermit -y filename -l LTAxx:" not working in VMS. Also recovery of interrupted transfers of large files (>2GB) needs to be checked. Dev.18 is in the usual place: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From dold@XdisableXt.usenet.us.com Mon May 15 12:00:18 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!chiapp19.algx.com!allegiance!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XdisableXt.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: disable the PU2 String Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 02:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1147659917 17774 192.160.13.38 (15 May 2006 02:25:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 02:25:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15609 When reading my email via elm text reader on a Unix shell, using K95, I have received some email that has junk in the subject line, possibly maliciously inserted, that messes up my display. I can still operate, but when that "text" appears on screen, I no longer have good screen display. I noticed that "PU2 String" appears on the K95 status line. What can I do to block that? I assume that it is trying to display a character set that I don't have, and since I presume it's spam, I would rather display harmless junk so I can delete the message and move on. --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Mon May 15 12:00:30 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disable the PU2 String References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 03:13:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1147662816 68.175.91.105 (Sun, 14 May 2006 23:13:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 23:13:36 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15610 dold@XdisableXt.usenet.us.com wrote: > When reading my email via elm text reader on a Unix shell, using K95, I > have received some email that has junk in the subject line, possibly > maliciously inserted, that messes up my display. I can still operate, but > when that "text" appears on screen, I no longer have good screen display. > > I noticed that "PU2 String" appears on the K95 status line. > What can I do to block that? I assume that it is trying to display a > character set that I don't have, and since I presume it's spam, I would > rather display harmless junk so I can delete the message and move on. Select one of the Code Page character sets that doesn't support 8-bit controls. Jeffrey Altman From fdc@columbia.edu Mon May 15 12:09:55 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disable the PU2 String Date: 15 May 2006 16:08:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1147709326 11670 128.59.59.56 (15 May 2006 16:08:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 2006 16:08:46 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15611 On 2006-05-15, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : dold@XdisableXt.usenet.us.com wrote: :> When reading my email via elm text reader on a Unix shell, using K95, I :> have received some email that has junk in the subject line, possibly :> maliciously inserted, that messes up my display. I can still operate, but :> when that "text" appears on screen, I no longer have good screen display. :> :> I noticed that "PU2 String" appears on the K95 status line. :> What can I do to block that? I assume that it is trying to display a :> character set that I don't have, and since I presume it's spam, I would :> rather display harmless junk so I can delete the message and move on. : : Select one of the Code Page character sets that doesn't support 8-bit : controls. : Such as CP1252. For a discussion on this, visit the Kermit newgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.misc, in Google News or other news archiver and search for the thread "Some K95 Hints" (August 2005). Btw, I find it ironic that Google penalizes news posters who follow news etiquette and break lines themselves to fit the regular 80-column width. Look at almost any news article from the Kermit newsgroup to see what I mean. - Frank From drwho8__NOTME__@att.net Wed May 17 10:17:06 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!cd246594!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Would anyone remember the ftp address for USU? From: drwho8__NOTME__@att.net (The Eighth Doctor) Organization: The TARDIS X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a2edf13f6689967e797030f2dde3cb71 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1147785455 a2edf13f6689967e797030f2dde3cb71 (Tue, 16 May 2006 13:17:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:17:35 GMT Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:17:35 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15612 Hello! I am in the process of getting involved in some darned strange research here. It seems I need to practically recreate the contents of my laptop drive on a virtual drive used by my XP box's VPC client. So far I've dug out of my personal archives the packet driver collection, and of course Kermit. And online elsewhere I found a collection of items that resemble those that I need, except for a group of items that I remembered living at USU, (Utah State U at Logan). I discovered that our friend Joe Doupnik is as it happens still there and teaching, but it didn't tell me that what I'm looking for: The FTP address for the collection of items that Prof. D, was best known for, Novell stuff at USU. -- Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot net "This signature will disavow all understanding of the above." From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Wed May 17 10:19:35 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: anyway to set time? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:37:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.15.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1147851429 156.34.15.112 (Wed, 17 May 2006 04:37:09 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 04:37:09 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15613 I have here an odd project that I don't think is possible, but I'm going to ask anyway. With the K95 2.1.3 commands, is there a way to set a date rather than rely on the computer's time? Theres slightly over a dozen functions, variables and basic commands used to display the date in a multitude of ways. But can you set it inside K95? I'm looking to trick K95 into thinking it was the day before. Local users can't change the computer's date. Access restricted and thats not going to change. I really don't want the users doing that anyway every single day. From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Wed May 17 10:31:22 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!postnews.google.com!j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: anyway to set time? Date: 17 May 2006 06:06:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1147871209.277803.78330@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147871214 24920 127.0.0.1 (17 May 2006 13:06:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:06:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15614 Scott Caissie wrote: > I have here an odd project that I don't think is possible, but I'm going to > ask anyway. > > With the K95 2.1.3 commands, is there a way to set a date rather than rely > on the computer's time? Theres slightly over a dozen functions, variables > and basic commands used to display the date in a multitude of ways. But can > you set it inside K95? I'm looking to trick K95 into thinking it was the day > before. > > Local users can't change the computer's date. Access restricted and thats > not going to change. I really don't want the users doing that anyway every > single day. I suggest you try the date command, first look at K95>help date. It would seem thet the command K95>date -1 day gets pretty close to what you want. I'm assuming you want to integrate this into some kind of script? Regards...Dan. From fdc@columbia.edu Wed May 17 10:31:29 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Would anyone remember the ftp address for USU? Date: 17 May 2006 14:19:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1147875568 6095 128.59.59.56 (17 May 2006 14:19:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2006 14:19:28 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15615 On 2006-05-16, The Eighth Doctor wrote: : I am in the process of getting involved in some darned strange research : here. It seems I need to practically recreate the contents of my laptop : drive on a virtual drive used by my XP box's VPC client. So far I've dug out : of my personal archives the packet driver collection, and of course : Kermit. And online elsewhere I found a collection of items that resemble : those that I need, except for a group of items that I remembered living at : USU, (Utah State U at Logan). : : I discovered that our friend Joe Doupnik is as it happens still there and : teaching, but it didn't tell me that what I'm looking for: The FTP address : for the collection of items that Prof. D, was best known for, Novell stuff : at USU. : It's netlab1.usu.edu, which supports anonymous access. - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Wed May 17 10:31:50 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: anyway to set time? Date: 17 May 2006 14:31:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1147876267 6095 128.59.59.56 (17 May 2006 14:31:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2006 14:31:07 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15616 On 2006-05-17, Scott Caissie wrote: : I have here an odd project that I don't think is possible, but I'm going to : ask anyway. : : With the K95 2.1.3 commands, is there a way to set a date rather than rely : on the computer's time? Theres slightly over a dozen functions, variables : and basic commands used to display the date in a multitude of ways. But can : you set it inside K95? I'm looking to trick K95 into thinking it was the day : before. : : Local users can't change the computer's date. Access restricted and thats : not going to change. I really don't want the users doing that anyway every : single day. : It seems you are asking for a way for Kermit to apply an offset to the date-time returned by queries to the system. The answer is yes, but you have to do it explicitly. \v(timestamp) is the Kermit variable that returns the current date and time (as obtained from the system). At the point at which you obtain this, you can apply the desired offset, e.g.: .now := \fcvtdate(\v(timestamp) -1day) But of course each time you fetch the date, you would have to do it again. There is no way to tell Kermit to set a given internal date/time and use it instead of the one returned by the system, transparently to the rest of the script. But you could come close by making your own function: define mytimestamp { return \fcvtdate(\v(timestamp) -1day) } and then anywhere you want to get the adjusted current date/time, refer to \fexec(mytimestamp) rather than \v(timestamp). - Frank From toastyboy@googlemail.com Tue Jun 20 10:33:25 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: toastyboy@googlemail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable Date: 20 Jun 2006 06:54:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 57 Message-ID: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.69.191.231 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1150811649 28426 127.0.0.1 (20 Jun 2006 13:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:54:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 TROW-ISA1 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.69.191.231; posting-account=9CvZkQ0AAABEiymyFVJPVVB65tz-PEMS Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15617 Hi, I'm using kermit to control a quasar electronics 3108 serial module, at present I am calling the kermit script i have written from a bash shell script and it works ok, but it is inefficient. I'm hoping to write the whole thing inside a kermit script, however I'm stuck.... I can read in a file and then assign the value contained in that file to a variable that works a treat! See below: OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT58 READ \%a close read-file if ( == \%a 0 ) { LINEOUT F1 INPUT 5 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N1 INPUT 5 \"#\" } As I say that works well, however I need to be able to do (say) LINEOUT I1 which will give me the status of input line 1 and then take the output of this and if it is 1 then do something, if it is 0 then do something else. So I need something like: LINEOUT I1 > \%a INPUT 5 \"#\" if ( == \%a 0 ) { echo 1 > IN11 } else { echo 0 > IN11 } ...but I've just made up the syntax of the fist line "LINEOUT I1 > \%a" I need to know how to inject the output of this command to a variable. I hope that makes sense. Thanks -Dan From fdc@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 10:42:52 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable Date: 20 Jun 2006 14:39:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 93 Message-ID: References: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1150814378 11518 128.59.59.56 (20 Jun 2006 14:39:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2006 14:39:38 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15618 On 2006-06-20, toastyboy@googlemail.com wrote: From: Frank da Cruz To: toastyboy@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable In-Reply-To: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> : I'm using kermit to control a quasar electronics 3108 serial module, at : present I am calling the kermit script i have written from a bash shell : script and it works ok, but it is inefficient. : : I'm hoping to write the whole thing inside a kermit script, however I'm : stuck.... : : I can read in a file and then assign the value contained in that file : to a variable that works a treat! See below: : : OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT58 : READ \%a : close read-file : : if ( == \%a 0 ) { : LINEOUT F1 : INPUT 5 \"#\" : } else { : LINEOUT N1 : INPUT 5 \"#\" : } : : As I say that works well, however I need to be able to do (say) : : LINEOUT I1 : : which will give me the status of input line 1 and then take the output : of this and if it is 1 then do something, if it is 0 then do something : else. : : So I need something like: : : LINEOUT I1 > \%a : INPUT 5 \"#\" : if ( == \%a 0 ) { : echo 1 > IN11 : } else { : echo 0 > IN11 : } : : ...but I've just made up the syntax of the fist line "LINEOUT I1 > : \%a" I need to know how to inject the output of this command to a : variable. : First let's assume you're using the current version of C-Kermit, 8.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html If not, you should pick it up. Then see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html about how to construct a Kermit script that you can run directly from the shell, as if it were a shell script. Remember to put in IF FAIL or IF SUCCESS tests after critical commands after which you don't want the script to keep going if they fail: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit .file := /u01/status/OUT58 open read \m(file) if fail exit 1 "?\m(file): Open failed" read \%a if fail exit 1 "?\m(file): Read failed" close read-file if == \%a 0 lineout F1 else lineout N1 input 5 \"#\" if fail exit 1 "?INPUT timed out" Now the next part I'm not sure about. You want to send "I1" and then read back the response into a variable. I can show you how to do that but first you have to tell me how to parse the response. Plus I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish the with the ECHO commands. Usually the pattern is, you do an OUTPUT to make the thing on the other end send some results, and then you do an INPUT to read the results. Since you don't know what the results will be, the thing your INPUT command is looking for is a line terminator, or the next prompt, etc. Then if the INPUT command succeeds, the \v(input) variable contains whatever was read by the INPUT command (and, in fact, previous ones too, unless you gave a CLEAR INPUT command before issuing the INPUT command) Then you would use the Kermit's string processing functions such as \findex(), \fsubstring(), etc, to extract the desired item from the the \v(input) variable. - Frank From toastyboy@googlemail.com Wed Jun 21 12:09:44 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: toastyboy@googlemail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable Date: 20 Jun 2006 08:14:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 49 Message-ID: <1150816457.938186.136820@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.69.191.231 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1150816461 9914 127.0.0.1 (20 Jun 2006 15:14:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:14:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 TROW-ISA1 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.69.191.231; posting-account=9CvZkQ0AAABEiymyFVJPVVB65tz-PEMS Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15619 Frank, Thanks for your response. Regarding parsing the output, here is what I would simply expect to see either a 1 or a 0 (depending on the state of the input) followed by a # on a new line. (The # is the command prompt on this device if you like) See the below extract from an interactive session: # #I1 1 #I2 1 #I3 1 #I4 0 # What I want is either to set the 0 or 1 as a variable and then based on this write out a file with the 0 or 1 in it, or (better still) write the 0 or 1 out to a file directly. Thanks for the comprehensive response by the way, it is much appreciated. As a bit of background, what I am actually doing is effectively making a file based interface to this serial module, it has 8 outputs and 4 inputs which can be either on (1) or off (0) I want to be able to control it via 12 files OUT11 - 18 and IN11-14 who's content is either a 1 or 0 to represent the desired output of the out lines, or the actual status of the in lines. I'm actually using it already to do some really cool home automation stuff (I have 5 of these devices) and other assorted stuff, but the current setup where I call the kermit script via a bash script (and have to open and configure the serial connection each time) is really slow and cpu intensive, so the plan is to have this new deamon constantly looping and reading the status of the module and then I have lots of shell scripts that check these files and make decisions based on them... but I guess this is a bit off topic so I'll stop now!! ;-) Thanks again -Dan Mc From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 12:26:32 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable Date: 21 Jun 2006 16:26:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1150816457.938186.136820@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1150907186 24891 128.59.59.56 (21 Jun 2006 16:26:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 2006 16:26:26 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15620 On 2006-06-20, toastyboy@googlemail.com wrote: : Regarding parsing the output, here is what I would simply expect to see : either a 1 or a 0 (depending on the state of the input) followed by a # : on a new line. : : (The # is the command prompt on this device if you like) : : See the below extract from an interactive session: : : # : #I1 : 1 : #I2 : 1 : #I3 : 1 : #I4 : 0 : # : : What I want is either to set the 0 or 1 as a variable and then based on : this write out a file with the 0 or 1 in it, or (better still) write : the 0 or 1 out to a file directly. : You want to send a command to this device, get back a single-character response, and write the response to a file. This is seemingly straightforward, but there's a bit more to it, because maybe the device echoes what you send, and since the single-character responses really come with some other stuff, such as carriage returns and linefeeds. What do you want to go into your file -- a single digit, or the digit followed by carriage return and/or linfeed? Let's say you want to store . Then the above sequence would be programmed something like this: clear input ; start with a clean INPUT buffer output \13 ; send a carriage return (\13) to make a prompt appear input 5 \# ; wait 5 sec for the '#' prompt if fail stop 1 ; make sure we got it output I1\13 ; Send "I1" and a carriage return ; Let's assume the devices echoes "I1" input 5 I1\13\10 ; Absorb the echo if fail ... ; Do something if the echo does not appear clear input ; clear the input buffer again input 5 \10 ; Input everything up to a linefeed if fail ... ; At this point \v(input) should contain the resonse. ; Now you can write it to a file. fopen /write \%c somefilename if fail ... fwrite /line \%c \ftrim(\v(input)) fclose \%c and so on for I2, I3, and I4. I didn't show what to do on failure, that's up to you. Maybe there is some corrective action you can take. You can loop and try again, whatever. The statement: fwrite /line \%c \ftrim(\v(input)) trims the CRLF from the response, and then writes it to disk in native format for a line, which is not necesarily text terminated by CRLF. - Frank From toastyboy@googlemail.com Thu Jun 22 08:55:55 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: toastyboy@googlemail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable Date: 21 Jun 2006 11:00:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 194 Message-ID: <1150912803.713517.155380@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1150816457.938186.136820@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.32.88.179 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1150912809 20217 127.0.0.1 (21 Jun 2006 18:00:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:00:09 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.32.88.179; posting-account=9CvZkQ0AAABEiymyFVJPVVB65tz-PEMS Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15621 Frank!! That's great! Starting to make sense now, I've used LINEOUT rather than send the carriage return at the end, but thanks for explaining I've been stuck on this for weeks - even ordered the kermit manual from amazon.com! :-) ...should be useful anyway I guess. Bad news is that I still have my original problem (which I probably didn't explain to start with) with my *all new* script the performance is awesome so that's good, my garage lights come on immediately that I open the door and the front door chimes much earlier than it used to, from moving from a shell script calling kermit, to a kermit script I reckon has increased performance by 500% easily, so that's great. However, what i had always had problems with was that over time my server would run out of memory and grind to a halt, even with my new script I'm getting the same problem. Is it possible that my kermit script needs to flush buffers or inputs/outputs each time it cycles? The script is included below (it's quite long) #!/u01/bin/kermit + set line /dev/ttyS5 set speed 9600 set stop-bits 1 set parity none set flow-control none SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF open line /dev/ttyS5 while true { OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT11 READ \%a close read-file OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT12 READ \%b close read-file OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT13 READ \%c close read-file OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT14 READ \%d close read-file OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT15 READ \%e close read-file OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT16 READ \%f close read-file OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT17 READ \%g close read-file OPEN READ /u01/status/OUT18 READ \%h close read-file if ( == \%a 0 ) { LINEOUT F1 INPUT 1 F1 INPUT 1 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N1 INPUT 1 N1 INPUT 1 \"#\" } if ( == \%b 0 ) { LINEOUT F2 INPUT 1 F2 INPUT 1 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N2 INPUT 1 N2 INPUT 1 \"#\" } if ( == \%c 0 ) { LINEOUT F3 INPUT 1 F3 INPUT 1 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N3 INPUT 1 N3 INPUT 1 \"#\" } if ( == \%d 0 ) { LINEOUT F4 INPUT 1 F4 INPUT 1 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N4 INPUT 1 N4 INPUT 1 \"#\" } if ( == \%e 0 ) { LINEOUT F5 INPUT 1 F5 INPUT 1 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N5 INPUT 1 N5 INPUT 1 \"#\" } if ( == \%f 0 ) { LINEOUT F6 INPUT 1 F6 INPUT 1 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N6 INPUT 1 N6 INPUT 1 \"#\" } if ( == \%g 0 ) { LINEOUT F7 INPUT 1 F7 INPUT 1 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N7 INPUT 1 N7 INPUT 1 \"#\" } if ( == \%h 0 ) { LINEOUT F8 INPUT 1 F8 INPUT 1 \"#\" } else { LINEOUT N8 INPUT 1 N8 INPUT 1 \"#\" } LINEOUT I1 INPUT 1 I1 MINPUT 1 1 0 .\%n := \v(minput) if ( == \%n 1 ) { RUN (echo 1 > /u01/status/IN11) } else { RUN (echo 0 > /u01/status/IN11) } INPUT 1 \"#\" LINEOUT I2 INPUT 1 I2 MINPUT 1 1 0 .\%o := \v(minput) if ( == \%o 1 ) { RUN (echo 1 > /u01/status/IN12) } else { RUN (echo 0 > /u01/status/IN12) } INPUT 1 \"#\" LINEOUT I3 INPUT 1 I3 MINPUT 1 1 0 .\%p := \v(minput) if ( == \%p 1 ) { RUN (echo 1 > /u01/status/IN13) } else { RUN (echo 0 > /u01/status/IN13) } INPUT 1 \"#\" LINEOUT I4 INPUT 1 I4 MINPUT 1 1 0 .\%q := \v(minput) if ( == \%q 1 ) { RUN (echo 1 > /u01/status/IN14) } else { RUN (echo 0 > /u01/status/IN14) } INPUT 1 \"#\" clear input } quit Now that my script is running more often i'm running out of memory even quicker than before, so I'm fairly sure that it's kermit causing my problems (although I'm sure it's my poor scripting and not kermit's fault) Thanks to all again -Dan McGrath From toastyboy@googlemail.com Thu Jun 22 08:59:13 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: toastyboy@googlemail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable Date: 22 Jun 2006 00:52:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1150962720.605533.310280@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1150816457.938186.136820@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1150912803.713517.155380@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.69.191.231 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1150962725 31195 127.0.0.1 (22 Jun 2006 07:52:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:52:05 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1150912803.713517.155380@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 TROW-ISA1 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.69.191.231; posting-account=9CvZkQ0AAABEiymyFVJPVVB65tz-PEMS Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15622 Oh, forgot to say last night (was in a hurry) that I will of course tidy up the script and put some error handling in (honest!!) and Frank, I just checked my amazon order and realised you are the author of the Kermit book I've bought!! Interestingly also, I've been monitoring memory usage overnight and the usage reported by free (whilst still going up) is increasing much slower than it was, so I guess it's possible that it will plateau out soon (currenty using 85Meg, and I have 512Meg) Cheers -Dan McGrath From robert.oo.watson@gmail.com Thu Jun 22 08:59:17 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: robert.oo.watson@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transferring using xmedom Date: 22 Jun 2006 02:22:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1150968124.244241.88040@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.168.139.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1150968130 6353 127.0.0.1 (22 Jun 2006 09:22:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:22:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060508 Firefox/1.5.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 XY01I09 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.168.139.168; posting-account=yqS6-w0AAADAbpnyp3DIFXBoon3WcvY2 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15623 Hi, I have a device which can receive file upload using the XMODEM or XMODEM-1K protocol. I am wondering how to achieve this using kermit, or maybe there are other programs suitable for the job. The platform I am using is Mandrake Linux. Thanks for help. Robert From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 09:00:43 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable Date: 22 Jun 2006 12:59:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1150816457.938186.136820@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1150912803.713517.155380@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1150981142 442 128.59.59.56 (22 Jun 2006 12:59:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 2006 12:59:02 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15624 On 2006-06-21, toastyboy@googlemail.com wrote: : That's great! Starting to make sense now, I've used LINEOUT rather : than send the carriage return at the end, but thanks for explaining : I've been stuck on this for weeks - even ordered the kermit manual from : amazon.com! :-) ...should be useful anyway I guess. : "LINEOUT foo" is usually but not always a synomym for "OUTPUT foo\13". The "not always" applies to network connections, but for serial connections they are the same. However sometimes it's better to explicit about exactly what characters you are sending and looking for. : Bad news is that I still have my original problem (which I probably : didn't explain to start with) with my *all new* script the performance : is awesome so that's good, my garage lights come on immediately that I : open the door and the front door chimes much earlier than it used to, : from moving from a shell script calling kermit, to a kermit script I : reckon has increased performance by 500% easily, so that's great. : : However, what i had always had problems with was that over time my : server would run out of memory and grind to a halt, even with my new : script I'm getting the same problem. : : Is it possible that my kermit script needs to flush buffers or : inputs/outputs each time it cycles? : You didn't say what version of C-Kermit you have, but of course over the years we have fixed problems when they were encountered, including some memory leaks. Suggest you try the latest development code: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 09:00:46 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transferring using xmedom Date: 22 Jun 2006 13:00:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <1150968124.244241.88040@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1150981237 442 128.59.59.56 (22 Jun 2006 13:00:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 2006 13:00:37 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15625 On 2006-06-22, robert.oo.watson@gmail.com wrote: : I have a device which can receive file upload using the XMODEM or : XMODEM-1K protocol. I am wondering how to achieve this using kermit, : or maybe there are other programs suitable for the job. The platform I : am using is Mandrake Linux. : Kermit supports external protocols, type "help set protocol" and the C-Kermit> prompt for details. - Frank From toastyboy@googlemail.com Fri Jun 23 14:58:32 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: toastyboy@googlemail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assigning output from LINEOUT to a variable Date: 23 Jun 2006 01:15:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1151050554.766260.226250@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> References: <1150811644.629253.47720@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1150816457.938186.136820@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1150912803.713517.155380@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.239.193.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1151050559 18981 127.0.0.1 (23 Jun 2006 08:15:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:15:59 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.239.193.11; posting-account=9CvZkQ0AAABEiymyFVJPVVB65tz-PEMS Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15626 Hi, I'm running: [root@relics root]# /u01/bin/kermit --v 8.0.211 [8.0.211] I'll try the latest development code tonight. Thanks again. -Dan From malonespam@cox.net Wed Jul 5 09:40:38 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.germany.com!postnews.google.com!m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scrollback Date: 3 Jul 2006 12:52:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1151956376.619890.20300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1151956382 8289 127.0.0.1 (3 Jul 2006 19:53:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:53:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15627 Is there a bug with the 'Clear Command Scrollback' function? I can set the command scrollback but i cannot clear it. When I do try to clear the command scrollback area, the session stops responding and closes, no error no msg. Has anyone else had this problem or know of a fix?? Thank you in advance. ~Malone From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 09:40:43 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrollback Date: 4 Jul 2006 10:05:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1152032725.852346.186830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1151956376.619890.20300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152032730 32589 127.0.0.1 (4 Jul 2006 17:05:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:05:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060111 Netscape/8.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15628 malone wrote: > Is there a bug with the 'Clear Command Scrollback' function? I can set > the command scrollback but i cannot clear it. When I do try to clear > the command scrollback area, the session stops responding and closes, > no error no msg. What Kermit is this? I'm guessing Kermit-95 as C-Kermit doesn't have a 'Clear Command Scrollback' function. It seemes to work for me with Kermit 95 2.1.3 on Windows XP. Can you give a specific example? -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 5 09:40:49 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit doubt Date: 4 Jul 2006 17:22:27 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <1152058947.640510.62190@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.173.10.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152058952 2469 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2006 00:22:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:22:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; TheFreeDictionary.com; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 smmtznap002 (NetCache NetApp/5.6.2R1) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting-host=200.173.10.184; posting-account=2iG4AA0AAAC6LlGHhsiKFlhP3V-2NGzy Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15629 Hi all: Could you tell me why I cannot issue a Telnet in kermit recently installed ? VAX1> ru WERMIT.EXE;1 C-Kermit 8.0.211, 10 Apr 2004, for VAX/VMS Copyright (C) 1985, 2004, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. DKA1:[KERMIT] C-Kermit>telnet Sorry, "telnet" not configured in this version of Kermit. DKA1:[KERMIT] C-Kermit>connect Sorry, you must SET LINE first ?Invalid: connect DKA1:[KERMIT] C-Kermit>set line DKA1:[KERMIT] C-Kermit>connect Sorry, you must SET LINE first ?Invalid: connect DKA1:[KERMIT] C-Kermit> DKA1:[KERMIT] C-Kermit>sh ver Versions: C-Kermit 8.0.211, 10 Apr 2004 Numeric: 800211 Built for: VAX/VMS Running on: VAX/VMS 5 V5.5-2 VAX Patches: (none) Communications I/O 8.0.124, 5 Apr 2004 for VAX/VMS File support, 8.0.178, 5 Apr 2004 for VAX/VMS C-Kermit library, 8.0.033, 16 Mar 2003 C-Kermit Protocol Module 8.0.158, 11 Sep 2002 C-Kermit functions, 8.0.223, 1 May 2003 Command package 8.0.157, 11 May 2003 User Interface 8.0.278, 12 Mar 2004 Character Set Translation 8.0.042, 3 Jul 2000 CONNECT Command 8.0.062 5 Apr 2004 Dial Command, 8.0.160, 29 Apr 2002 Script Command, 8.0.032, 20 Dec 2001 Thanks! From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 5 09:41:02 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit doubt Date: 4 Jul 2006 17:50:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1152060603.912814.82480@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152058947.640510.62190@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <44AB0C17.4050805@nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.173.10.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152060607 9867 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2006 00:50:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:50:07 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <44AB0C17.4050805@nyc.rr.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; TheFreeDictionary.com; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 smmtznap002 (NetCache NetApp/5.6.2R1) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=200.173.10.184; posting-account=2iG4AA0AAAC6LlGHhsiKFlhP3V-2NGzy Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15630 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi all: > > > > Could you tell me why I cannot issue a Telnet in kermit recently > > installed ? > > If you execute "SHOW FEATURES" at the C-Kermit prompt you > will see that the Kermit you installed does not contain > support for networking. Could you tell me what to do to enable this feature ? Thanks ! From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 12:29:01 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit doubt Date: 5 Jul 2006 13:43:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <1152058947.640510.62190@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <44AB0C17.4050805@nyc.rr.com> <1152060603.912814.82480@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sesame.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 1152106984 24192 128.59.59.56 (5 Jul 2006 13:43:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2006 13:43:04 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SunOS) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15631 On 2006-07-05, contracer11@gmail.com wrote: : : Jeffrey Altman wrote: :> contracer11@gmail.com wrote: :> > Hi all: :> > :> > Could you tell me why I cannot issue a Telnet in kermit recently :> > installed ? :> :> If you execute "SHOW FEATURES" at the C-Kermit prompt you :> will see that the Kermit you installed does not contain :> support for networking. : : Could you tell me what to do to enable this feature ? : Download a version of VMS C-Kermit that includes support for the TCP/IP package that you have (UCX, MultiNet, etc): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html#decvms - Frank From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:29:09 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit doubt Date: 5 Jul 2006 14:29:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 58 Message-ID: <1152134955.734556.263420@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152058947.640510.62190@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <44AB0C17.4050805@nyc.rr.com> <1152060603.912814.82480@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.173.10.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152134960 20461 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2006 21:29:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:29:20 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; TheFreeDictionary.com; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 smmtznap001 (NetCache NetApp/5.6.2) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=200.173.10.184; posting-account=2iG4AA0AAAC6LlGHhsiKFlhP3V-2NGzy Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15633 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-07-05, contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > : > : Jeffrey Altman wrote: > :> contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > :> > Hi all: > :> > > :> > Could you tell me why I cannot issue a Telnet in kermit recently > :> > installed ? > :> > :> If you execute "SHOW FEATURES" at the C-Kermit prompt you > :> will see that the Kermit you installed does not contain > :> support for networking. > : > : Could you tell me what to do to enable this feature ? > : > Download a version of VMS C-Kermit that includes support for the TCP/IP > package that you have (UCX, MultiNet, etc): > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html#decvms > > - Frank Thanks a lot , frank ! I downloaded kermit ckv192-vax-vms55-ucx33.exe in my system, but when I telnet to a specified address I get this : DKA1:[KERMIT] C-Kermit>telnet 172.20.16.134 Trying 172.20.16.134... netopen connect: connection refused Can't open connection to 172.20.16.134 DKA1:[KERMIT] C-Kermit>exit VAX1 =BB telnet 172.20.16.134 %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 172.20.16.134 %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 172.20.16.134, port 23 -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^] ##################### ######################### ############################## ############################## ######################### ##################### =20 User Access Verification Password:=20 Can you help me ? Thanks! From malonespam@cox.net Wed Jul 12 12:29:20 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!postnews.google.com!m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrollback Date: 5 Jul 2006 06:46:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <1152107170.560637.268030@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1151956376.619890.20300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152032725.852346.186830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152107175 6197 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2006 13:46:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:46:15 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1152032725.852346.186830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15632 Mark Sapiro wrote: > What Kermit is this? I'm guessing Kermit-95 as C-Kermit doesn't have a > 'Clear Command Scrollback' function. Malone: Yes I am sorry, I am running Kermit 95 2.1.3 on Windows 2000 Mark Sapiro wrote: > It seemes to work for me with Kermit 95 2.1.3 on Windows XP. Can you > give a specific example? Malone: The following examples are from a new session: example 1 Changing the scrollback size to 1500 works 'set command scrollback 1500' but when I try to clear it 'clear command scrollback' the session hangs for a few seconds then closes example 2 when I try to clear the command scrollback without changing the size 'clear command scrollback' the session hangs for a few seconds then closes example 3 when I change the scrollback size to 300 'set command scrollback 300' the session hangs for a few seconds then closes Thank you for your help ~Malone From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 12:29:25 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrollback Date: 5 Jul 2006 20:29:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 53 Message-ID: <1152156568.004645.91810@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1151956376.619890.20300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152032725.852346.186830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152107170.560637.268030@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152156572 8126 127.0.0.1 (6 Jul 2006 03:29:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 03:29:32 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1152107170.560637.268030@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060111 Netscape/8.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15634 malone wrote: > Malone: > Yes I am sorry, I am running Kermit 95 2.1.3 on Windows 2000 > > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > It seemes to work for me with Kermit 95 2.1.3 on Windows XP. Can you > > give a specific example? > > Malone: > The following examples are from a new session: > example 1 > Changing the scrollback size to 1500 works > 'set command scrollback 1500' > but when I try to clear it > 'clear command scrollback' > the session hangs for a few seconds then closes > example 2 > when I try to clear the command scrollback without changing the > size > 'clear command scrollback' > the session hangs for a few seconds then closes > example 3 > when I change the scrollback size to 300 > 'set command scrollback 300' > the session hangs for a few seconds then closes I am still unable to duplicate the problem with k95g (GUI) on Windows XP. With k95 (console) I see what I assume is the same problem, but only intermittently. I open a command window and give the command 'k95 -Y' and then try one of your examples. I never saw #1 fail, but sometimes I saw #2 or #3 give me the windows XP "were sorry, k95 encountered an error and has to close. Do you want to send an error report ..." dialog. At one point, I thought failure was related to whether or not I used completion or backspace correction on command words, but this turned out to be coincidence. Unfortunately, other than confirming that sometimes I see a problem with console k95, I don't think I can be of further help. If you can get a debug log, you can try sending that to kermit-support@columbia.edu with a description of the problem. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Wed Jul 12 12:29:30 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrollback References: <1151956376.619890.20300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152032725.852346.186830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152107170.560637.268030@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1152156568.004645.91810@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1152156568.004645.91810@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8c0rg.16649$%h.10423@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:20:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1152159620 68.175.91.105 (Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:20:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:20:20 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15635 > I am still unable to duplicate the problem with k95g (GUI) on Windows > XP. > > With k95 (console) I see what I assume is the same problem, but only > intermittently. I open a command window and give the command 'k95 -Y' > and then try one of your examples. I never saw #1 fail, but sometimes I > saw #2 or #3 give me the windows XP "were sorry, k95 encountered an > error and has to close. Do you want to send an error report ..." > dialog. At one point, I thought failure was related to whether or not I > used completion or backspace correction on command words, but > this turned out to be coincidence. > > Unfortunately, other than confirming that sometimes I see a problem > with console k95, I don't think I can be of further help. If you can > get a debug log, you can try sending that to > kermit-support@columbia.edu with a description of the problem. This is a confirmed bug in the console version of K95 2.1.3. I have fixed it in my sources. If Columbia University ever chooses to release a new version the fix will be included. In the meantime, all I can suggest is "if it hurts, don't do that." Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 12:29:46 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.20 ready Date: 9 Jul 2006 16:49:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1152488963.069024.131250@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.59.39.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152488966 16831 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2006 23:49:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:49:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461; SV1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=128.59.39.14; posting-account=Dr5Ggw0AAACipozd18kiK2oS70sGIgPh Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15636 C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.19 is ready for testing. You can find it in the usual places: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckc212.html II did a bunch of stuff, but the most interesting (and bizarre) thing is a a new function \fpictureinfo() that gets the diminsions and orientation of a JPG or GIF image, along with a script that uses it to make picture websites: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/photoalbum.html The other changes are listed on the "ckdaily" page. - Frank From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:30:09 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.rim.or.jp!diablo.efnet.com!efnet.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: reverse dns lookup message... Date: 10 Jul 2006 13:35:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1152563756.292349.69470@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.173.10.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152563761 11528 127.0.0.1 (10 Jul 2006 20:36:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:36:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; TheFreeDictionary.com; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 smmtznap002 (NetCache NetApp/5.6.2R1) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=200.173.10.184; posting-account=2iG4AA0AAAC6LlGHhsiKFlhP3V-2NGzy Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15638 Could you tell me why I can=B4t connect to this host using kermit with a file ? I=B4m trying connect to a solaris system from a vax/vms system: VAX1 >> kermit sm.com DNS Lookup... Trying 171.10.2.15... Reverse DNS Lookup... Failed. Connecting to host xxxxxx.xxxxx.corp:23 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. ---------------------------------------------------- Authorized Use Only login: control_D VAX1 >> ty sm.com telnet 171.10.2.15 input 3 login: output schwarz\13 input 1 password output sun123\13 input 1 # output pwd\13 close=20 exit close=20 exit Thanks in advance. From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:30:27 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reverse dns lookup message... Date: 10 Jul 2006 17:18:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1152577083.415728.189590@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152563756.292349.69470@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.173.10.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152577088 16453 127.0.0.1 (11 Jul 2006 00:18:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:18:08 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1152563756.292349.69470@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; TheFreeDictionary.com; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 smmtznap002 (NetCache NetApp/5.6.2R1) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=200.173.10.184; posting-account=2iG4AA0AAAC6LlGHhsiKFlhP3V-2NGzy Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15640 contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > Could you tell me why I can=B4t connect to this host using kermit with a > file ? > I=B4m trying connect to a solaris system from a vax/vms system: > > > VAX1 >> kermit sm.com > DNS Lookup... Trying 171.10.2.15... Reverse DNS Lookup... Failed. > > Connecting to host xxxxxx.xxxxx.corp:23 > Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled > Type the escape character followed by C to get back, > or followed by ? to see other options. > ---------------------------------------------------- > Authorized Use Only > > > login: > > control_D > > VAX1 >> ty sm.com > telnet 171.10.2.15 > input 3 login: > output schwarz\13 > input 1 password > output sun123\13 > input 1 # > output pwd\13 > close > exit > close > exit > >=20 > Thanks in advance. Please, discart this message - problem solved. From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:31:06 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cannot su to root Date: 10 Jul 2006 17:09:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1152576573.476939.97800@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.173.10.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152576578 25310 127.0.0.1 (11 Jul 2006 00:09:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:09:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; TheFreeDictionary.com; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 smmtznap001 (NetCache NetApp/5.6.2) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=200.173.10.184; posting-account=2iG4AA0AAAC6LlGHhsiKFlhP3V-2NGzy Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15639 Hi all: I=B4m trying su to root in this unix account without success. Can you help me ? VAX1 =BB ty sm.com set host 171.20.10.15 input 3 login: output schwarz\13 input 3 password output sun123\13 input 3 $ output pwd\13 input 3 $ output su\13 input 3 Password if fail stop 1 erro output sun321\13 input 3 # if fail stop 1 erro output who -a\13 input 3 # output 3 ls\13 close exit VAX1 =BB VAX1 =BB kermit sm.com login: schwarz Password: Last login: Mon Jul 10 21:01:01 from vax1.corp.com $ pwd /export/home/users/schwarz $ su Password: VAX1 =BB I can login in schwarz account, but I can=B4t su to root... From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:31:12 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Cannot su to root Date: 10 Jul 2006 18:42:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: <1152582161.396037.164220@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152576573.476939.97800@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.173.10.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152582166 7739 127.0.0.1 (11 Jul 2006 01:42:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:42:46 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1152576573.476939.97800@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; TheFreeDictionary.com; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 smmtznap002 (NetCache NetApp/5.6.2R1) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=200.173.10.184; posting-account=2iG4AA0AAAC6LlGHhsiKFlhP3V-2NGzy Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15637 Please discart this message. Problem solved... I used "learn on" kermit command and I got what I wanted... contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > Hi all: > I=B4m trying su to root in this unix account without success. Can you > help me ? > > > VAX1 =BB ty sm.com > set host 171.20.10.15 > input 3 login: > output schwarz\13 > input 3 password > output sun123\13 > input 3 $ > output pwd\13 > input 3 $ > output su\13 > input 3 Password > if fail stop 1 erro > output sun321\13 > input 3 # > if fail stop 1 erro > output who -a\13 > input 3 # > output 3 ls\13 > close > exit > VAX1 =BB > VAX1 =BB kermit sm.com > login: schwarz > Password: > Last login: Mon Jul 10 21:01:01 from vax1.corp.com > $ pwd > /export/home/users/schwarz > $ su > Password: > > VAX1 =BB >=20 >=20 > I can login in schwarz account, but I can=B4t su to root... From robert.oo.watson@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:31:19 2006 Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: robert.oo.watson@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transferring using xmedom Date: 12 Jul 2006 03:56:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <1152701803.121523.47440@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1150968124.244241.88040@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.152.54.204 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152701806 7666 127.0.0.1 (12 Jul 2006 10:56:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:56:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060508 Firefox/1.5.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 XY01I09 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.152.54.204; posting-account=yqS6-w0AAADAbpnyp3DIFXBoon3WcvY2 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15641 ERACC wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:22:04 -0700, robert.oo.watson wrote: > > > I have a device which can receive file upload using the XMODEM or > > XMODEM-1K protocol. I am wondering how to achieve this using kermit, > > or maybe there are other programs suitable for the job. The platform I > > am using is Mandrake Linux. > > Hi Robert. I have not done this personally, however, one should be able to > use the programs from the 'lrzsz' package with c-kermit. Here is the > information about 'lrzsz' on my Mandriva 2006.0: > [snip] Hi, Thanks for your help. I have figured out how to do this. - Install lrzsz package (I am using mandrake 10.0). - Set the kermit as the following: C-Kermit>set parity none C-Kermit>set carrier-watch off C-Kermit>set prefixing all C-Kermit>set reliable off C-Kermit>set clearchannel off C-Kermit>set protocol xmodem {} {} {sx -k %s} {sx -k %s} {rx %s} {rx %s} - Send the file with: C-Kermit>send /binary filename Best regards, Robertoo From nospam@killspam.org Thu Jul 20 10:48:31 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: file pattern matching on files Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:47:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1153342073 24.148.161.57 (Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:47:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:47:53 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15517 Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but: I would like to be able to have: get /binary *.foo match both file.foo and file.FOO I was hopeful that "set case off" would take care of this for me, and have looked at the help get for case-sensitive options, to no avail. I know I could do get /binary *.[Ff]* to match, but I don't really want to have to mod my scripts to handle case sensitive lookups; would prefer a global setting or command line switch to accomplish the task, if possible. I use k95 2.1.3 for m$ and 8.0.209 on my *nix machines.... Suggestions? TIA From nospam@lisse.NA Thu Jul 20 10:49:01 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Eberhard Lisse Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit newsgroup, etc Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:39 +0100 Organization: For email replace nospam with el Lines: 19 Message-ID: <44BD6097.1010803@lisse.NA> References: Reply-To: nospam@lisse.NA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net AR+LWs/Tvxt8NgJSTjWTCAHKY9fDPRkffDjwgyLDzlJ/EgUAGt X-Orig-Path: ac.lisse.NA!news User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15516 Frank, why don't you install a tiny little news feed (privately) that only pulls the c.p.k.* groups and nothing else, and archive from there? Never mind reading news on google. on 7/13/06 9:40 PM Frank da Cruz said the following: > Columbia University is retiring its newsfeeds effective Monday, > 17 July 2006. This means: > > . The newsgroup archives on our FTP site will stop there, > in case anybody cares. > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/newsgroups el -- If you want to email me, replace nospam with el From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Jul 20 10:49:40 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file pattern matching on files Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1153406895 23526 166.84.1.1 (20 Jul 2006 14:48:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:48:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15518 On 2006-07-19, wrote: : Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but: : : I would like to be able to have: get /binary *.foo match both file.foo and : file.FOO : : I was hopeful that "set case off" would take care of this for me, and have : looked at the help get for case-sensitive options, to no avail. : : I know I could do get /binary *.[Ff]* to match, but I don't really want to : have to mod my scripts to handle case sensitive lookups; would prefer a : global setting or command line switch to accomplish the task, if possible. : : I use k95 2.1.3 for m$ and 8.0.209 on my *nix machines.... : Short answer: sorry, no, you can't do what you want without using wildcards that the Kermit server understands. But watch out: if two or more files exist on the Unix host whose names differ only by casing of letters, they will be the SAME file on Windows. (K95 will create new names for you to keep the files from overwriting each other, but they aren't pretty -- this is a pitfall of mixing case-sensitive and case-insensitive file systems.) - Frank From nospam@killspam.org Mon Jul 24 14:31:37 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: file pattern matching on files Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:03:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1153447404 24.148.161.57 (Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:03:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:03:24 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15519 "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrnebv5tf.kfh.fdc@panix1.panix.com... > On 2006-07-19, wrote: > : I would like to be able to have: get /binary *.foo match both file.foo > and > : file.FOO > : > Short answer: sorry, no, you can't do what you want without using > wildcards > that the Kermit server understands. Was afraid that was true. I guess I can take a look at the source and see how involved adding a switch to get would be that would expand the pattern matching on gets with wildcards; i.e. kermit> get /binary /case-insensitive *.foo Or take a look at writing a macro that would do the functional equivalent. > exist on the Unix host whose names differ only by casing of letters, they > will be the SAME file on Windows. All too well I know that truth (I'm an old NFS guy). However as the files in question originate in the windows world, and are transferred to the unix server, the only worry I have is missing data because someone capitalizes a file.... > - Frank Frank, thanks again for all you have done and continue to do to keep kermit a meaningful portion of the net. From nospam@killspam.org Mon Jul 24 14:31:42 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: file pattern matching on files Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:19:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1153448375 24.148.161.57 (Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:19:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:19:35 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15520 Hmmm. Since I can effectively control both the send operation that puts the file on the *.nix server, and the get that retrieves it; what about using the \Flower() function as part of the send , with the AS-NAME switch.... Just tested -- that (for me) is an effective workaround..... From nospam@killspam.org Mon Jul 24 14:31:47 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: file pattern matching on files Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:52:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1153579942 24.148.161.57 (Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:52:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:52:22 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15522 My "final solution" I call this macro prior to executing any download utilizing pattern matching. For more general use, error checking to handle duplicate filenames and rename failure should be implemented. define RenameLowerCase { local files_matching_pattern local num_files_matching_pattern local \%i assign files_matching_pattern * remote query kermit \%ffiles(\m(files_matching_pattern)) assign num_files_matching_pattern \Feval(\v(query) -1) ; ffiles() returns a zero based array. for \%i 0 \m(num_files_matching_pattern) 1 { remote query kermit \%fnextfile(\m(files_matching_pattern)) remote rename \v(query) \Flower(\v(query)) } } From not-a-real-address@usa.net Mon Jul 24 14:31:51 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.astraweb.com!router2.astraweb.com!216.168.1.175.MISMATCH!sn-xt-sjc-15!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: those who know me have no need of my name Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit newsgroup, etc Date: 21 Jul 2006 05:45:50 GMT Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Constant Variable, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15521 in comp.protocols.kermit.misc i read: > . I'll be using Google Groups from now on to both read and post, > as I suppose most of you already do. sad news indeed -- either part. -- a signature From nospam@killspam.org Thu Jul 27 16:14:02 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!9477d3c5!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: macro assignment of cr / lf characters Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:06:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.161.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1153789580 24.148.161.57 (Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:06:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:06:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15523 I've looked through the help and am (nearly) sure there's a way to do this, but I haven't been able to figure out how to concatenate a variable with a linefeed or carriage return in it... i.e. assign foo bar assign foo bar\0x0D\0x0A yield the same results for \flength(\m(foo)) Should I put the lines I want in an array and write them to a tempfile instead of attempting concatenation? From fdc@panix.com Thu Jul 27 16:15:41 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macro assignment of cr / lf characters Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1154031331 16094 166.84.1.3 (27 Jul 2006 20:15:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:15:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15524 On 2006-07-25, wrote: : I've looked through the help and am (nearly) sure there's a way to do this, : but I haven't been able to figure out how to concatenate a variable with a : linefeed or carriage return in it... : : i.e. : assign foo bar : assign foo bar\0x0D\0x0A : : yield the same results for \flength(\m(foo)) : : Should I put the lines I want in an array and write them to a tempfile : instead of attempting concatenation? : assign foo bar \13\10 or: assign foo bar \x0d\x0a - Frank From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 15:41:54 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: extremely high latency channel Date: 10 Aug 2006 12:55:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1155239757.815134.180170@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.149.197 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1155239763 23345 127.0.0.1 (10 Aug 2006 19:56:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:56:03 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.89.149.197; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15525 I am communicating with a remote system (a buoy) using MaxStream 900MHz radios. Due to various circumstances, the latency on the line is very high, up to 30 seconds sometimes. Often I'll press return at the unix or Kermit prompt several times, and 20-30 seconds later the several prompts will appear. Same thing with echoes of typing. However, due to the error checking of the radios, the line is rather reliable. Occasionally some data gets lost, but most of the time it all gets through. Also, if you try to send something while the other side is trying to send, it causes extra delays, and that is where data is lost most of the time. Our major problem is trying to tweak the Kermit protocol to deal with this. Ultimately, if the system could send a packet, PATIENTLY wait for an acknowledgement without trying to send anything (and only after a minute or so attempt a retry), it would probably work OK. As it is, we get extremely dismal throughput, even on ROBUST setting, because it seems I can't get Kermit to wait patiently enough for a response. I've tried to set the send and receive timeouts to high values (like 60) but I keep seeing messages about timeouts of 15 seconds or less during the transfer attempts. We've gotten much better results simply using "cat" to display the files and using session logging to capture the text. But I should think that a protocol as versatile as Kermit could do better than "cat". I've even tossed around the idea of tacking checksums to the end of the files and doing my own error checking in script. But that seems so silly because the Kermit protocol should be able to handle this. Does anyone have any hints here? What's particularly frustrating is that the interactive command prompt experience over this link isn't all that bad, it just usually takes a few seconds for things to echo. Thanks for any tips. From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 15:42:13 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: extremely high latency channel Date: 10 Aug 2006 23:24:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1155277449.917953.181880@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1155239757.815134.180170@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.53.150.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1155277455 2397 127.0.0.1 (11 Aug 2006 06:24:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:24:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.53.150.18; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15526 As a followup, I have found that using Zmodem protocol over the link works slowly but reliably when timeouts are disabled using the -O parameter. I would still much rather use the Kermit protocol, but every attempt I have made to adjust the parameters of the protocol (I'm transferring C-Kermit to C-Kermit here) result in indefinite delays or unbelievably slow performance (would you believe 2 CPS -- that's TWO (period) CPS, while Zmodem at least broke the 20CPS barrier and averaged about 21 CPS, which is acceptable. But again, I'd rather use the Kermit protocol and its nice features like "set send move-to" and countless other advantages. From rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 15:59:35 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tomviolin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: logging / flushing output Date: 13 Aug 2006 09:46:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1155487576.755318.253070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.53.150.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1155487581 24153 127.0.0.1 (13 Aug 2006 16:46:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:46:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.53.150.18; posting-account=ornCOQwAAAAyCG4a7NOAj_SMr54FiqNu Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15527 System: C-Kermit 8.0.211 on Linux 2.6 (Ubuntu). I have a simple script that does a straightforward interactive chat with a remote system. Basically it is INPUTs and OUTPUTs, with ECHO statements describing the action (e.g. ECHO "Waiting for login:"). I use the script as a "kerbang" script (starting with #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +), have "set input echo on" and when I run the script at the terminal it works as expected, with the output from the remote system interspersed with the text from the ECHO statements. However, when I redirect the output to a file thusly: $ ./script.ksc > script.log 2>&1 strange things happen. Doing a "tail -f script.log" from another window (or backgrounding the script and doing the "tail" from the same window) reveals that the output from the remote system is showing up in real time, but the output from the ECHO statements is not showing up until the script terminates. Why is this? It seems like the output from the input echo is going to a buffer that is being flushed regularly, while the output from the ECHO statements is going into another buffer that isn't being flushed. Strange. Any way to correct this behavior? I'd like to be able to monitor the progress of a background Kermit task in real time. From igor@nospam.invalid Sun Aug 20 16:02:23 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!feeder.news-service.com!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!tudelft.nl!binfeed1.tudelft.nl!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 17 Aug 2006 15:26:55 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 34 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1155821217 16084 156.35.97.40 (17 Aug 2006 13:26:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:26:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15529 Hi again! I want to run MS Kermit in a DOS computer (an old but excellent i80286, it is not a joke); this computer will be a DEC VT compatible terminal with file transfer functionality. My question is easy: what MS-DOS Kermit release must I run? MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 or MS-DOS Kermit 3.16? Some random thoughts: - MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 is beta, but has not been updated since 1999. It is for personal use, but I really prefer running a stable release if there is not a good reason for running a beta release. - MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 fixes some important problems (memory leaks, a serious problem related with sending incomplete Kermit packets over a serial port connections, a lot of minor bugs, and so on). - On http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html we can read "you can install this on top of 3.14 or 3.15". Well, the zip file that contains the overlay files for MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 has only two files, the overlay for 3.15 has more files. It seems that we will not get the same version installing 3.16 on top of 3.14 than on top of 3.15. Should I stay at MS-DOS Kermit 3.15? Is it better trying 3.16? In this case, should I apply 3.15 on top of 3.14, and 3.16 on top of 3.15 + 3.14? Will be a final release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.16? If MS-DOS Kermit version 3.16 works and is a recommended one for MS-DOS computers, would not be better making a final release to show that it is not beta anymore? Best regards, Igor. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Aug 20 16:02:29 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:37:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1155883069 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:37:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:37:49 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15530 Igor Sobrado wrote: > Hi again! > > I want to run MS Kermit in a DOS computer (an old but excellent i80286, > it is not a joke); this computer will be a DEC VT compatible terminal > with file transfer functionality. My question is easy: what MS-DOS > Kermit release must I run? MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 or MS-DOS Kermit 3.16? > Some random thoughts: > > - MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 is beta, but has not been updated since 1999. > It is for personal use, but I really prefer running a stable > release if there is not a good reason for running a beta release. > > - MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 fixes some important problems (memory leaks, > a serious problem related with sending incomplete Kermit packets > over a serial port connections, a lot of minor bugs, and so on). > > - On http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html we can read "you > can install this on top of 3.14 or 3.15". Well, the zip file > that contains the overlay files for MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 has only > two files, the overlay for 3.15 has more files. It seems that > we will not get the same version installing 3.16 on top of 3.14 > than on top of 3.15. > > Should I stay at MS-DOS Kermit 3.15? Is it better trying 3.16? > In this case, should I apply 3.15 on top of 3.14, and 3.16 on top > of 3.15 + 3.14? > > Will be a final release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.16? If MS-DOS Kermit > version 3.16 works and is a recommended one for MS-DOS computers, > would not be better making a final release to show that it is not > beta anymore? > > Best regards, > Igor. MS-DOS Kermit has not been updated since 1999. Use 3.16 unless it causes a problem for you. In which case you can back off to 3.15. Jeffrey Altman From igor@nospam.invalid Sun Aug 20 16:02:35 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 18 Aug 2006 10:18:37 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 32 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1155889118 6747 156.35.97.40 (18 Aug 2006 08:18:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:18:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15531 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > Igor Sobrado wrote: >> >> Should I stay at MS-DOS Kermit 3.15? Is it better trying 3.16? >> In this case, should I apply 3.15 on top of 3.14, and 3.16 on top >> of 3.15 + 3.14? >> >> Will be a final release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.16? If MS-DOS Kermit >> version 3.16 works and is a recommended one for MS-DOS computers, >> would not be better making a final release to show that it is not >> beta anymore? > > MS-DOS Kermit has not been updated since 1999. Use 3.16 unless it > causes a problem for you. In which case you can back off to 3.15. Hi, Jeffrey. Ok, in this case I will consider MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 an stable release. Are there plans to label 3.16 as a stable release, in the same way 3.14 and 3.15 are? And to provide the missing files in the 3.16 zip file? I do not know the current status of MS-DOS Kermit, does professor Joe Doupnik continue working on it? Ok, I guess I know the answers... DOS is an ancient operating system. In fact, my choice would be NetBSD and C-Kermit for that computer if it is somewhat better than a 286, but looking for a Unix or Unix-like OS for a 16-bit PC is a challenging task! Thanks again for your reply, I will try 3.16 then. Igor. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sun Aug 20 16:02:59 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:20:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1155907241 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:20:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:20:41 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15532 Igor Sobrado wrote: > Are there plans to label 3.16 as a stable release In order for it to become a complete release someone is going to have to spend the time to finish the work of producing a final release. No one has had to time to do that work in seven years nor is there any significant demand, therefore at this point it is unlikely to ever happen. I won't say it will never happen just that it is unlikely. Jeffrey Altman From igor@nospam.invalid Sun Aug 20 16:03:02 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 20 Aug 2006 13:46:33 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 25 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156074394 12820 156.35.97.40 (20 Aug 2006 11:46:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:46:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15533 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > Igor Sobrado wrote: > >> Are there plans to label 3.16 as a stable release > > In order for it to become a complete release someone is going > to have to spend the time to finish the work of producing a > final release. No one has had to time to do that work in seven > years nor is there any significant demand, therefore at this > point it is unlikely to ever happen. I won't say it will never > happen just that it is unlikely. Hi Jeffrey. In this case, I will follow your advice and use 3.16 in its current state. If I see something odd, I will downgrade to 3.15. Thanks a lot for the detailed description of the "stability" of this beta of 3.16. I hope that someone will finish that release some day. Sorry for the delay answering to your post, this weekend I assisted to a conference on associative and non-associative algebraic structures. The conference has finished right now. Best regards, Igor. From fdc@panix.com Sun Aug 20 16:07:53 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: extremely high latency channel Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <1155239757.815134.180170@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1155277449.917953.181880@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156103930 29274 166.84.1.2 (20 Aug 2006 19:58:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:58:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15534 On 2006-08-11, tomviolin wrote: : As a followup, I have found that using Zmodem protocol over the link : works slowly but reliably when timeouts are disabled using the -O : parameter. : Sorry for the delay in getting to this; I have to go out of my way to check netnews these days. Zmodem is a streaming protocol. You can make C-Kermit stream too if you want to try it. This technique is appropriate for error-free connections such as over TCP/IP networks, but it can also work when you have an error-free serial connection, such as you should have when using error-correcting modems and hardward flow control. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x4.20 See especially section 4.20.2.4, "Streaming on Dialup Connections". Of course both Kermit partners must support streaming. For example, C-Kermit 7.0 or later and Kermit 95 1.1.19 or later. The problem with streaming is that it's all-or-nothing. Any error will stop the transfer dead. Of course you can always keep partial files and use the RESEND/REGET feature to continue from that point. : I would still much rather use the Kermit protocol, but every attempt I : have made to adjust the parameters of the protocol (I'm transferring : C-Kermit to C-Kermit here) result in indefinite delays or unbelievably : slow performance (would you believe 2 CPS -- that's TWO (period) CPS, : while Zmodem at least broke the 20CPS barrier and averaged about 21 : CPS, which is acceptable. But again, I'd rather use the Kermit : protocol and its nice features like "set send move-to" and countless : other advantages. : Thanks :-) For the past 10 years or so, timeouts have been "dynamic" -- calculated on the fly based on the behavior of the connection. That's why your SET SEND and SET RECEIVE timeout commands seemed to have no effect. Here's the text from "help set send": SET SEND TIMEOUT number [ { DYNAMIC [ min max ] ], FIXED } ] Number of seconds to wait for a packet before sending NAK or retransmitting. Include the word DYNAMIC after the number in the SET SEND TIMEOUT command to have Kermit compute the timeouts dynamically throughout the transfer based on the packet rate. Include the word FIXED to use the "number" given throughout the transfer. DYNAMIC is the default. After DYNAMIC you may include minimum and maximum values. It should also say, a negative timeout value means "don't time out, wait forever": SET SEND TIMEOUT -1 FIXED Does this help? - Frank From fdc@panix.com Sun Aug 20 16:07:57 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: logging / flushing output Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <1155487576.755318.253070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156104135 29274 166.84.1.2 (20 Aug 2006 20:02:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:02:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15535 On 2006-08-13, tomviolin wrote: : System: C-Kermit 8.0.211 on Linux 2.6 (Ubuntu). : : I have a simple script that does a straightforward interactive chat : with a remote system. Basically it is INPUTs and OUTPUTs, with ECHO : statements describing the action (e.g. ECHO "Waiting for login:"). : : I use the script as a "kerbang" script (starting with : #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +), have "set input echo on" and when I run the : script at the terminal it works as expected, with the output from the : remote system interspersed with the text from the ECHO statements. : : However, when I redirect the output to a file thusly: : : $ ./script.ksc > script.log 2>&1 : : strange things happen. Doing a "tail -f script.log" from another : window (or backgrounding the script and doing the "tail" from the same : window) reveals that the output from the remote system is showing up in : real time, but the output from the ECHO statements is not showing up : until the script terminates. : : Why is this? : I/O across the connection is buffered, ECHO commands are not. : It seems like the output from the input echo is going to : a buffer that is being flushed regularly, while the output from the : ECHO statements is going into another buffer that isn't being flushed. : Strange. : : Any way to correct this behavior? I'd like to be able to monitor the : progress of a background Kermit task in real time. : Instead of: ECHO "Waiting for login:" use: WRITELN ERROR "Waiting for login:" This writes the string to stderr, which is not buffered. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Sun Aug 20 16:08:00 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156104459 29274 166.84.1.2 (20 Aug 2006 20:07:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:07:39 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15536 On 2006-08-20, Igor Sobrado wrote: : Jeffrey Altman wrote: :> Igor Sobrado wrote: :> :>> Are there plans to label 3.16 as a stable release :> :> In order for it to become a complete release someone is going :> to have to spend the time to finish the work of producing a :> final release. No one has had to time to do that work in seven :> years nor is there any significant demand, therefore at this :> point it is unlikely to ever happen. I won't say it will never :> happen just that it is unlikely. : : In this case, I will follow your advice and use 3.16 in its current : state. If I see something odd, I will downgrade to 3.15. Thanks : a lot for the detailed description of the "stability" of this beta : of 3.16. I hope that someone will finish that release some day. : Back in the old days, people would pitch in. If anybody wants to do this, it's "just" a matter of putting 3.16 into the same form as 3.14. The directory tree with subdirectories, the help file and update notes, and so on. That is, updating all those text files. I'm not sure, however, if anybody still has the tools needed to build the program from source, so it would be a chore to remove the Beta notice (should that be desirable). Maybe the binary can just be patched. In any case, I'm not aware of any serious problems with 3.16. - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 12:25:12 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: logging / flushing output Date: 20 Aug 2006 19:15:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1156126539.183663.57420@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1155487576.755318.253070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1156126542 27117 127.0.0.1 (21 Aug 2006 02:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:15:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060111 Netscape/8.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15537 tomviolin wrote: > System: C-Kermit 8.0.211 on Linux 2.6 (Ubuntu). > > I use the script as a "kerbang" script (starting with > #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +), have "set input echo on" and when I run the > script at the terminal it works as expected, with the output from the > remote system interspersed with the text from the ECHO statements. > > However, when I redirect the output to a file thusly: > > $ ./script.ksc > script.log 2>&1 > > strange things happen. Doing a "tail -f script.log" from another > window (or backgrounding the script and doing the "tail" from the same > window) reveals that the output from the remote system is showing up in > real time, but the output from the ECHO statements is not showing up > until the script terminates. Recent daily builds have a --unbuffered command line option. This may help. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From hailstorm@dsl.pipex.com Tue Aug 22 16:11:57 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:42:04 -0500 From: "Simon Porter" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSI packaged version of K95 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:42:02 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.210.103.167 X-Trace: sv3-y8wTZq0LN0c5WUSfrIAbzhKRmSPwRC//r9s2+U4N/ivulKMcNvoT+Ay6gqJx+8hdWfl+Z5diG18Kdjt!tbxvNtOnULc1n2p3c/HeX8T/XAsKRd+woXqram2BS9iPhxzLmDZZe7LxbEJed+md9sH/Or/XfB9X!dMR6SEuqHYUKiw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15538 Hi, Kermit 95 is currently used throughout the company I work for. One thing I've been looking at recently is rolling out software via group policy. I would be interested to know if the developers of Kermit would consider packaging into a msi install file. Expensive programs such as installsheild isn't required. You can use WiX to achieve this. A good tutorial on this can be found at: http://www.tramontana.co.hu/wix/ Futher information and downloads: http://wix.sourceforge.net/ Useful editor: http://wixedit.sourceforge.net/ I've used it myself to create a few simple packages for various settings and shortcuts etc that we like to have installed on our pcs. Thanks for any replies, Simon Porter Heber Ltd From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Tue Aug 22 16:12:52 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Message-ID: <44EB4DC5.7090104@nyc.rr.com> From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSI packaged version of K95 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:30:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1156271434 68.175.91.105 (Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:30:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:30:34 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15539 Simon Porter wrote: > Hi, > > Kermit 95 is currently used throughout the company I work for. One thing > I've been looking at recently is rolling out software via group policy. I > would be interested to know if the developers of Kermit would consider > packaging into a msi install file. Expensive programs such as installsheild > isn't required. You can use WiX to achieve this. A good tutorial on this can > be found at: http://www.tramontana.co.hu/wix/ > > Futher information and downloads: > > http://wix.sourceforge.net/ > > Useful editor: > > http://wixedit.sourceforge.net/ > > I've used it myself to create a few simple packages for various settings and > shortcuts etc that we like to have installed on our pcs. > > Thanks for any replies, > > Simon Porter > Heber Ltd > > I use WIX and NSIS to develop the install packages for MIT Kerberos for Windows and OpenAFS for Windows. If I were ever to develop another release of Kermit 95 for Columbia University to distribute I would in fact use WIX to develop an MSI installer for it. My suggestion for you would be to install K95 on one machine and then develop your own installer for it based upon the pieces that were installed on your machine. One of the strong benefits of using MSIs are that in addition to automated installation and upgrades via Group Policy it is possible to apply organization specific transforms to them to ensure that your own custom dialer entries and scripts are installed on the machine along with the application. Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. From igor@nospam.invalid Wed Aug 23 17:31:32 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsserver.news.garr.it!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 23 Aug 2006 09:05:19 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 37 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156316720 18271 156.35.97.40 (23 Aug 2006 07:05:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:05:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15540 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-08-20, Igor Sobrado wrote: > : > : In this case, I will follow your advice and use 3.16 in its current > : state. If I see something odd, I will downgrade to 3.15. Thanks > : a lot for the detailed description of the "stability" of this beta > : of 3.16. I hope that someone will finish that release some day. > : > Back in the old days, people would pitch in. If anybody wants to do > this, it's "just" a matter of putting 3.16 into the same form as 3.14. > The directory tree with subdirectories, the help file and update notes, > and so on. That is, updating all those text files. I really want to help on this matter. But I certainly cannot write decent updates for notes; it would much better if a native english speaker helps on this stage. However, copying/pasting from the current information available from University of Columbia would be easy. > I'm not sure, however, if anybody still has the tools needed to > build the program from source, so it would be a chore to remove > the Beta notice (should that be desirable). Maybe the binary can > just be patched. I suppose that the only requirement will be a C compiler for DOS. As I said, I want to run this program on a 286 computer. I can look for my C compiler floppies; djgpp is not an option, as it will run on 32-bit computers only and produce 32-bit programs too. Certainly, editing the binary would be an easy task... we can overwrite the beta notice with spaces... much easier than adding text. But it will be cleaner building a new binary using the right compiler. > In any case, I'm not aware of any serious problems with 3.16. It is very nice to know! Igor. From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Wed Aug 23 17:31:48 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh Organization: what organisation User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060812) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6TTGg.16543$rP1.15847@news-server.bigpond.net.au> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:56:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.178.212.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1156319810 124.178.212.188 (Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:56:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:56:50 EST Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15542 Igor Sobrado wrote: ... > I suppose that the only requirement will be a C compiler for DOS. > As I said, I want to run this program on a 286 computer. I can > look for my C compiler floppies; djgpp is not an option, as it > will run on 32-bit computers only and produce 32-bit programs too. > > Certainly, editing the binary would be an easy task... we can overwrite > the beta notice with spaces... much easier than adding text. But it > will be cleaner building a new binary using the right compiler. I've compiled earlier versions of MS-Kermit with the Borland Turbo C and Turbo Assembler. The makefile in msk316src.zip indicates that the Microsoft C compiler and assembler are required. > >> In any case, I'm not aware of any serious problems with 3.16. > > It is very nice to know! > > Igor. Arthur. From igor@nospam.invalid Wed Aug 23 17:32:12 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 23 Aug 2006 10:27:40 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 20 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <6TTGg.16543$rP1.15847@news-server.bigpond.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156321662 22042 156.35.97.40 (23 Aug 2006 08:27:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:27:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15543 Arthur Marsh wrote: > > I've compiled earlier versions of MS-Kermit with the Borland Turbo C and > Turbo Assembler. The makefile in msk316src.zip indicates that the > Microsoft C compiler and assembler are required. Hi Arthur. Great! I have licenses for both Microsoft C 6.0 and MASM 6.x (do not remember the release, perhaps 6.1 or 6.2) yet. I got the licenses for these tools about ten years ago. I will look for the media as soon as possible (disks and manuals are stored in another part of the city now). Excellent documentation for these tools... but I certainly prefer the high-quality TeX manuals provided with MSC 5.x. Building MS-DOS Kermit will not be too difficult then. Cheers, Igor. From igor@nospam.invalid Wed Aug 23 17:32:58 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 23 Aug 2006 09:29:25 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 36 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156318167 21804 156.35.97.40 (23 Aug 2006 07:29:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:29:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15541 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > I'm not sure, however, if anybody still has the tools needed to > build the program from source, so it would be a chore to remove > the Beta notice (should that be desirable). Maybe the binary can > just be patched. Hello. I think that patching the binary is *not* a very good idea! The binary (from may 1999) is the 7th. beta release for 3.16: $ strings MSK316.EXE | grep -i beta MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 Beta 7 4 May 1999$patch level 0 $ (sorry, I do not have that 286 computer yet, no way to run the binary!) But the source code has this macro in MSSDEF.H: version equ 316 ; master version number verdef macro db ' MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 Beta 10' ifdef nls_portuguese db ' Portuguese' endif ; nls_portuguese db ' 22 April 2001' endm If I finally contribute to a stable release, I will work on the code from april 2001... working on the 7th. Beta release would be unacceptable if we want to release the highest quality version of MS-DOS Kermit. What is the current status of the 10th revision? Is it a well-known (relatively bug free) revision? Are there more recent source-only revisions of MS-DOS Kermit? Best regards, Igor. From fdc@panix.com Wed Aug 23 17:44:07 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156369433 20458 166.84.1.1 (23 Aug 2006 21:43:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15544 On 2006-08-23, Igor Sobrado wrote: :... : If I finally contribute to a stable release, I will work on the : code from april 2001... working on the 7th. Beta release would be : unacceptable if we want to release the highest quality version of : MS-DOS Kermit. What is the current status of the 10th revision? : Is it a well-known (relatively bug free) revision? Are there more : recent source-only revisions of MS-DOS Kermit? : Of course the person who really knows about these things is Professor Joe Doupnik. If he's following this thread and not answering, it means he doesn't have time for this any more. At the point where work stopped on MS-DOS Kermit, nobody had time for it any more, in the sense that many other things were more urgent. By the late 1990s, almost everybody was using Windows or Linux or whatever. In any case, I believe you can find the real stuff here: http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/ These would be the latest sources that Joe was willing to make public. MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 is quite interesting in that it is the first (and only) version of MS-DOS Kermit that implements many of the structured programming features of the Kermit language: FOR and WHILE loops, SWITCH statements, and so on. Explaining these things to MS-DOS Kermit users without referring them to C-Kermit documentation was another big task. And then there was the book. Etc etc... - Frank From igor@nospam.invalid Thu Aug 24 16:27:45 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 24 Aug 2006 14:17:44 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 44 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156421866 20526 156.35.97.40 (24 Aug 2006 12:17:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:17:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15545 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Of course the person who really knows about these things is Professor > Joe Doupnik. If he's following this thread and not answering, it > means he doesn't have time for this any more. At the point where > work stopped on MS-DOS Kermit, nobody had time for it any more, in > the sense that many other things were more urgent. By the late > 1990s, almost everybody was using Windows or Linux or whatever. > In any case, I believe you can find the real stuff here: > > http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/ > > These would be the latest sources that Joe was willing to make public. > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 is quite interesting in that it is the first > (and only) version of MS-DOS Kermit that implements many of the > structured programming features of the Kermit language: FOR and WHILE > loops, SWITCH statements, and so on. Explaining these things to > MS-DOS Kermit users without referring them to C-Kermit documentation > was another big task. And then there was the book. Etc etc... Hi Frank! I think that professor Doupnik found the time to make a final (non beta) release of MS-DOS Kermit. In fact, there is a MSK316.CHG file with some changes, the last one is: MS-DOS Kermit v3.16 12 Oct 2003 Revise version banner to remove word beta. Final release. Can you, please, update the ZIP files at Columbia University's anonymous FTP server? Must I upload the ZIP file to the /incoming directory? By the way, you can find the final release at: http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003) (MSK31610.ZIP is source code for beta 10!) Please, let me know if you want to update the ZIP file and if I must upload the final release to the anonymous FTP server of the Kermit project or you want to get it from netlab1. Cheers, Igor. From igor@nospam.invalid Thu Aug 24 16:28:41 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 24 Aug 2006 15:37:48 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 22 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156426670 6313 156.35.97.40 (24 Aug 2006 13:37:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:37:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15546 Igor Sobrado wrote: > > By the way, you can find the final release at: > > http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003) It is not obvious how we can make a 3.15 or 3.16 release. For example: how can we install 3.15 on top of 3.14? Filenames are not the same (e.g., MSK315.EXE vs KERMIT.EXE) and other files are never replaced (KERLITE.EXE, KERMITE.EXE vs MSK315[MNL].EXE). In the case of 3.16, there are only a lot of C, assembler and header files and a single binary -KERMIT.EXE- in the ZIP file. Should we rename these files? What about files never replaced (KER[LM]ITE.EXE or the MSK315[MNL].EXE)? It seems that, even if we rename these files, there will be a mix of 3.14/3.15/3.16 binaries and documentation files. What is the recommended method for making the most up to date release? Certainly C-KERMIT is easier to upgrade. Cheers, Igor. From fdc@panix.com Thu Aug 24 16:50:19 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156452608 1578 166.84.1.1 (24 Aug 2006 20:50:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:50:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15547 On 2006-08-24, Igor Sobrado wrote: : Igor Sobrado wrote: :> :> By the way, you can find the final release at: :> :> http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003) : : It is not obvious how we can make a 3.15 or 3.16 release. For example: : how can we install 3.15 on top of 3.14? Filenames are not the same : (e.g., MSK315.EXE vs KERMIT.EXE) and other files are never replaced : (KERLITE.EXE, KERMITE.EXE vs MSK315[MNL].EXE). In the case of 3.16, : there are only a lot of C, assembler and header files and a single : binary -KERMIT.EXE- in the ZIP file. Should we rename these files? : What about files never replaced (KER[LM]ITE.EXE or the MSK315[MNL].EXE)? : This is explained in MSR314.ANN: KERMIT.EXE is the full version of 3.14. KERMITE.EXE is the medium version - no networking, no graphics. KERLITE.EXE is the "Light" version (remote mode only, no communications) (the Light version was for use in BBS's, to provide a decent Kermit protocol on the BBS end of the connection). MSK315[MNL].EXE correspond to those, more or less. I don't suppose these variants were ever built for 3.16. : It seems that, even if we rename these files, there will be a mix : of 3.14/3.15/3.16 binaries and documentation files. : It has been a long time since I looked at any of this. 3.14 was the last integrated release. We didn't have time to do all the updating of documentation and other files for 3.15, so instead we gave different names to the executables so the 3.15 files could be installed on top of the 3.14 ones without destroying anything. Then we did the same thing again with 3.16. Once you look at all the files that had to be updated -- HLP, BWR, ANN, UPD, DOC, etc etc, you'll see it's a big job. Not to mention the binaries for non-IBM-compatibles like the DEC Rainbow, NEC APC, HP-150, Heath/Zenith 100, etc (which are not much of an issue now, but you never know). I honestly don't recall 3.16 ever leaving Beta. Either I completely forgot, or somehow I never knew. I'll check with Joe. If a complete 3.16 package can be put together (in the form of a ZIP file, following the 3.14 directory structure), there is no particular need to keep the 3.14 and 3.15 binaries in it; they are always available in the archive here. Another thing to keep in mind; the full IBM PC distribution (the MSVIBM.ZIP file unzipped) for 3.14 fit on a 1.44MB diskette. I think there were only a couple bytes to spare! It could be used on a PC that had no hard drive (and no UNZIP program) simply by sticking it into the diskette drive and running it from there. That would also be a goal for any new release. - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Aug 25 10:37:28 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!msrn-out!msrtrans!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "SCOTT CAISSIE" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Writing a clipboard to file? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:13:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.167.34.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1156486433 142.167.34.94 (Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:13:53 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:13:53 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15548 Using K95 2.1.3. I was wondering if it was possible to write the clipboard contents (copying info), directly into a file. Basically what I'm trying to do, is copy info from certain files which K95 can't directly read properly, then have it write to a .txt file and immidately process that. *The info being copied is just raw text. - Scott From jrd@cc.usu.edu Fri Aug 25 10:51:39 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "jrd" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 25 Aug 2006 01:03:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 83 Message-ID: <1156493036.391671.253700@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.67.101.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1156493041 32732 127.0.0.1 (25 Aug 2006 08:04:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:04:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Firefox/1.5.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.67.101.23; posting-account=D4d5Rg0AAACd6sC8xCHWUxkngYDGZesU Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15549 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-08-24, Igor Sobrado wrote: > : Igor Sobrado wrote: > :> > :> By the way, you can find the final release at: > :> > :> http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003) > : > : It is not obvious how we can make a 3.15 or 3.16 release. For example: > : how can we install 3.15 on top of 3.14? Filenames are not the same > : (e.g., MSK315.EXE vs KERMIT.EXE) and other files are never replaced > : (KERLITE.EXE, KERMITE.EXE vs MSK315[MNL].EXE). In the case of 3.16, > : there are only a lot of C, assembler and header files and a single > : binary -KERMIT.EXE- in the ZIP file. Should we rename these files? > : What about files never replaced (KER[LM]ITE.EXE or the MSK315[MNL].EXE)? > : > This is explained in MSR314.ANN: > > KERMIT.EXE is the full version of 3.14. > KERMITE.EXE is the medium version - no networking, no graphics. > KERLITE.EXE is the "Light" version (remote mode only, no communications) > (the Light version was for use in BBS's, to provide a decent Kermit protocol > on the BBS end of the connection). > > MSK315[MNL].EXE correspond to those, more or less. > I don't suppose these variants were ever built for 3.16. > > : It seems that, even if we rename these files, there will be a mix > : of 3.14/3.15/3.16 binaries and documentation files. > : > It has been a long time since I looked at any of this. 3.14 was the last > integrated release. We didn't have time to do all the updating of > documentation and other files for 3.15, so instead we gave different names to > the executables so the 3.15 files could be installed on top of the 3.14 ones > without destroying anything. Then we did the same thing again with 3.16. > > Once you look at all the files that had to be updated -- HLP, BWR, ANN, UPD, > DOC, etc etc, you'll see it's a big job. Not to mention the binaries for > non-IBM-compatibles like the DEC Rainbow, NEC APC, HP-150, Heath/Zenith 100, > etc (which are not much of an issue now, but you never know). > > I honestly don't recall 3.16 ever leaving Beta. Either I completely > forgot, or somehow I never knew. I'll check with Joe. > > If a complete 3.16 package can be put together (in the form of a ZIP file, > following the 3.14 directory structure), there is no particular need to > keep the 3.14 and 3.15 binaries in it; they are always available in the > archive here. > > Another thing to keep in mind; the full IBM PC distribution (the MSVIBM.ZIP > file unzipped) for 3.14 fit on a 1.44MB diskette. I think there were only a > couple bytes to spare! It could be used on a PC that had no hard drive (and > no UNZIP program) simply by sticking it into the diskette drive and running it > from there. That would also be a goal for any new release. > > - Frank -------------- As Frank noted, please visit netlab1.usu.edu or netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (same IP number for both) If connecting via FTP then cd kermit. If using a web browser then "Complete File Archives" and then "kermit." Sources and binaries are there. There are only minor differences between the beta and final release of MSK 3.16. The top level directory listing is MSK315.ZIP 18-Sep-1997 04:07 480K MSK316.CHG 13-Oct-2003 09:08 6.7K MSK316.ZIP 13-Oct-2003 09:11 1.0M MSK31610.ZIP 04-Mar-2003 00:13 826K MSVIBM.TEK 03-Mar-1991 06:23 35K MSVIBM.VT 10-Mar-1998 03:52 73K [DIR] SOURCE/ 20-Sep-2004 11:49 where we see that the binary distribution zip file fits onto a floppy. For many years there has been no demand to embellish MSK, thus it remains at the 3.16 level. Appologies for not plunging into the conversation earlier, but Usenet feeds were terminated at my previous establishment and I had not picked up a new feed at my present place. Thanks to Frank for alerting me to the current discussion. Joe D. (in Oxford) jrd@cc.usu.edu, joe.doupnik@oucs.ox.ac.uk From jrd@cc.usu.edu Fri Aug 25 10:52:38 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "jrd" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 25 Aug 2006 01:03:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 83 Message-ID: <1156493036.391671.253700@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.67.101.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1156493041 32732 127.0.0.1 (25 Aug 2006 08:04:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:04:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Firefox/1.5.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.67.101.23; posting-account=D4d5Rg0AAACd6sC8xCHWUxkngYDGZesU Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15549 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-08-24, Igor Sobrado wrote: > : Igor Sobrado wrote: > :> > :> By the way, you can find the final release at: > :> > :> http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003) > : > : It is not obvious how we can make a 3.15 or 3.16 release. For example: > : how can we install 3.15 on top of 3.14? Filenames are not the same > : (e.g., MSK315.EXE vs KERMIT.EXE) and other files are never replaced > : (KERLITE.EXE, KERMITE.EXE vs MSK315[MNL].EXE). In the case of 3.16, > : there are only a lot of C, assembler and header files and a single > : binary -KERMIT.EXE- in the ZIP file. Should we rename these files? > : What about files never replaced (KER[LM]ITE.EXE or the MSK315[MNL].EXE)? > : > This is explained in MSR314.ANN: > > KERMIT.EXE is the full version of 3.14. > KERMITE.EXE is the medium version - no networking, no graphics. > KERLITE.EXE is the "Light" version (remote mode only, no communications) > (the Light version was for use in BBS's, to provide a decent Kermit protocol > on the BBS end of the connection). > > MSK315[MNL].EXE correspond to those, more or less. > I don't suppose these variants were ever built for 3.16. > > : It seems that, even if we rename these files, there will be a mix > : of 3.14/3.15/3.16 binaries and documentation files. > : > It has been a long time since I looked at any of this. 3.14 was the last > integrated release. We didn't have time to do all the updating of > documentation and other files for 3.15, so instead we gave different names to > the executables so the 3.15 files could be installed on top of the 3.14 ones > without destroying anything. Then we did the same thing again with 3.16. > > Once you look at all the files that had to be updated -- HLP, BWR, ANN, UPD, > DOC, etc etc, you'll see it's a big job. Not to mention the binaries for > non-IBM-compatibles like the DEC Rainbow, NEC APC, HP-150, Heath/Zenith 100, > etc (which are not much of an issue now, but you never know). > > I honestly don't recall 3.16 ever leaving Beta. Either I completely > forgot, or somehow I never knew. I'll check with Joe. > > If a complete 3.16 package can be put together (in the form of a ZIP file, > following the 3.14 directory structure), there is no particular need to > keep the 3.14 and 3.15 binaries in it; they are always available in the > archive here. > > Another thing to keep in mind; the full IBM PC distribution (the MSVIBM.ZIP > file unzipped) for 3.14 fit on a 1.44MB diskette. I think there were only a > couple bytes to spare! It could be used on a PC that had no hard drive (and > no UNZIP program) simply by sticking it into the diskette drive and running it > from there. That would also be a goal for any new release. > > - Frank -------------- As Frank noted, please visit netlab1.usu.edu or netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (same IP number for both) If connecting via FTP then cd kermit. If using a web browser then "Complete File Archives" and then "kermit." Sources and binaries are there. There are only minor differences between the beta and final release of MSK 3.16. The top level directory listing is MSK315.ZIP 18-Sep-1997 04:07 480K MSK316.CHG 13-Oct-2003 09:08 6.7K MSK316.ZIP 13-Oct-2003 09:11 1.0M MSK31610.ZIP 04-Mar-2003 00:13 826K MSVIBM.TEK 03-Mar-1991 06:23 35K MSVIBM.VT 10-Mar-1998 03:52 73K [DIR] SOURCE/ 20-Sep-2004 11:49 where we see that the binary distribution zip file fits onto a floppy. For many years there has been no demand to embellish MSK, thus it remains at the 3.16 level. Appologies for not plunging into the conversation earlier, but Usenet feeds were terminated at my previous establishment and I had not picked up a new feed at my present place. Thanks to Frank for alerting me to the current discussion. Joe D. (in Oxford) jrd@cc.usu.edu, joe.doupnik@oucs.ox.ac.uk From fdc@panix.com Fri Aug 25 10:52:52 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Writing a clipboard to file? Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156517486 6624 166.84.1.2 (25 Aug 2006 14:51:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:51:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15550 On 2006-08-25, SCOTT CAISSIE wrote: : Using K95 2.1.3. : I was wondering if it was possible to write the clipboard contents (copying : info), directly into a file. : K95 doesn't have a \v(clipboard) variable that you can refer to programmatically, but there is a keyboard verb, \Kpaste, that pastes from the clipoard. By default, this is assigned to Shift-Insert: . If K95 is in its terminal screen, then \Kpaste sends the clipboard contents to the host (if the clipboard contains text). . If K95 is in its command screen, \Kpaste inserts the text from the clipboard where the cursor is. Of course, if you have Notepad or other text editor open, you can also paste into it. But these are all manual operations. Offhand, I can't think of a way to write the clipboard contents directly into a file. Perhaps in the next release we can consider adding a \v(clipboard) variable. : Basically what I'm trying to do, is copy info from certain files which K95 : can't directly read properly, then have it write to a .txt file and : immidately process that. : *The info being copied is just raw text. : Maybe there is a way do this after all. The file interface (FOPEN/FREAD/FWRITE/FCLOSE) has a lot of options. If can describe the problem in more detail maybe I can suggest a way around it. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Aug 25 11:19:04 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Writing a clipboard to file? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:18:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1156519081 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:18:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:18:01 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15551 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-08-25, SCOTT CAISSIE wrote: > : Using K95 2.1.3. > : I was wondering if it was possible to write the clipboard contents (copying > : info), directly into a file. > : > K95 doesn't have a \v(clipboard) variable that you can refer to > programmatically, but there is a keyboard verb, \Kpaste, that pastes from > the clipoard. By default, this is assigned to Shift-Insert: The variable you are looking for is \v(select). Text selected with the mouse in K95 is stored in the \v(select) variable. This is independent of the Windows clipboard and can be used for writing macros that manipulate the selection contents. Jeffrey Altman From jrd@cc.usu.edu Fri Aug 25 10:51:39 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "jrd" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 25 Aug 2006 01:03:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 83 Message-ID: <1156493036.391671.253700@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.67.101.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1156493041 32732 127.0.0.1 (25 Aug 2006 08:04:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:04:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Firefox/1.5.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.67.101.23; posting-account=D4d5Rg0AAACd6sC8xCHWUxkngYDGZesU Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15549 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-08-24, Igor Sobrado wrote: > : Igor Sobrado wrote: > :> > :> By the way, you can find the final release at: > :> > :> http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003) > : > : It is not obvious how we can make a 3.15 or 3.16 release. For example: > : how can we install 3.15 on top of 3.14? Filenames are not the same > : (e.g., MSK315.EXE vs KERMIT.EXE) and other files are never replaced > : (KERLITE.EXE, KERMITE.EXE vs MSK315[MNL].EXE). In the case of 3.16, > : there are only a lot of C, assembler and header files and a single > : binary -KERMIT.EXE- in the ZIP file. Should we rename these files? > : What about files never replaced (KER[LM]ITE.EXE or the MSK315[MNL].EXE)? > : > This is explained in MSR314.ANN: > > KERMIT.EXE is the full version of 3.14. > KERMITE.EXE is the medium version - no networking, no graphics. > KERLITE.EXE is the "Light" version (remote mode only, no communications) > (the Light version was for use in BBS's, to provide a decent Kermit protocol > on the BBS end of the connection). > > MSK315[MNL].EXE correspond to those, more or less. > I don't suppose these variants were ever built for 3.16. > > : It seems that, even if we rename these files, there will be a mix > : of 3.14/3.15/3.16 binaries and documentation files. > : > It has been a long time since I looked at any of this. 3.14 was the last > integrated release. We didn't have time to do all the updating of > documentation and other files for 3.15, so instead we gave different names to > the executables so the 3.15 files could be installed on top of the 3.14 ones > without destroying anything. Then we did the same thing again with 3.16. > > Once you look at all the files that had to be updated -- HLP, BWR, ANN, UPD, > DOC, etc etc, you'll see it's a big job. Not to mention the binaries for > non-IBM-compatibles like the DEC Rainbow, NEC APC, HP-150, Heath/Zenith 100, > etc (which are not much of an issue now, but you never know). > > I honestly don't recall 3.16 ever leaving Beta. Either I completely > forgot, or somehow I never knew. I'll check with Joe. > > If a complete 3.16 package can be put together (in the form of a ZIP file, > following the 3.14 directory structure), there is no particular need to > keep the 3.14 and 3.15 binaries in it; they are always available in the > archive here. > > Another thing to keep in mind; the full IBM PC distribution (the MSVIBM.ZIP > file unzipped) for 3.14 fit on a 1.44MB diskette. I think there were only a > couple bytes to spare! It could be used on a PC that had no hard drive (and > no UNZIP program) simply by sticking it into the diskette drive and running it > from there. That would also be a goal for any new release. > > - Frank -------------- As Frank noted, please visit netlab1.usu.edu or netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (same IP number for both) If connecting via FTP then cd kermit. If using a web browser then "Complete File Archives" and then "kermit." Sources and binaries are there. There are only minor differences between the beta and final release of MSK 3.16. The top level directory listing is MSK315.ZIP 18-Sep-1997 04:07 480K MSK316.CHG 13-Oct-2003 09:08 6.7K MSK316.ZIP 13-Oct-2003 09:11 1.0M MSK31610.ZIP 04-Mar-2003 00:13 826K MSVIBM.TEK 03-Mar-1991 06:23 35K MSVIBM.VT 10-Mar-1998 03:52 73K [DIR] SOURCE/ 20-Sep-2004 11:49 where we see that the binary distribution zip file fits onto a floppy. For many years there has been no demand to embellish MSK, thus it remains at the 3.16 level. Appologies for not plunging into the conversation earlier, but Usenet feeds were terminated at my previous establishment and I had not picked up a new feed at my present place. Thanks to Frank for alerting me to the current discussion. Joe D. (in Oxford) jrd@cc.usu.edu, joe.doupnik@oucs.ox.ac.uk From jrd@cc.usu.edu Fri Aug 25 10:52:38 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "jrd" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 25 Aug 2006 01:03:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 83 Message-ID: <1156493036.391671.253700@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.67.101.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1156493041 32732 127.0.0.1 (25 Aug 2006 08:04:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:04:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Firefox/1.5.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.67.101.23; posting-account=D4d5Rg0AAACd6sC8xCHWUxkngYDGZesU Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15549 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-08-24, Igor Sobrado wrote: > : Igor Sobrado wrote: > :> > :> By the way, you can find the final release at: > :> > :> http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003) > : > : It is not obvious how we can make a 3.15 or 3.16 release. For example: > : how can we install 3.15 on top of 3.14? Filenames are not the same > : (e.g., MSK315.EXE vs KERMIT.EXE) and other files are never replaced > : (KERLITE.EXE, KERMITE.EXE vs MSK315[MNL].EXE). In the case of 3.16, > : there are only a lot of C, assembler and header files and a single > : binary -KERMIT.EXE- in the ZIP file. Should we rename these files? > : What about files never replaced (KER[LM]ITE.EXE or the MSK315[MNL].EXE)? > : > This is explained in MSR314.ANN: > > KERMIT.EXE is the full version of 3.14. > KERMITE.EXE is the medium version - no networking, no graphics. > KERLITE.EXE is the "Light" version (remote mode only, no communications) > (the Light version was for use in BBS's, to provide a decent Kermit protocol > on the BBS end of the connection). > > MSK315[MNL].EXE correspond to those, more or less. > I don't suppose these variants were ever built for 3.16. > > : It seems that, even if we rename these files, there will be a mix > : of 3.14/3.15/3.16 binaries and documentation files. > : > It has been a long time since I looked at any of this. 3.14 was the last > integrated release. We didn't have time to do all the updating of > documentation and other files for 3.15, so instead we gave different names to > the executables so the 3.15 files could be installed on top of the 3.14 ones > without destroying anything. Then we did the same thing again with 3.16. > > Once you look at all the files that had to be updated -- HLP, BWR, ANN, UPD, > DOC, etc etc, you'll see it's a big job. Not to mention the binaries for > non-IBM-compatibles like the DEC Rainbow, NEC APC, HP-150, Heath/Zenith 100, > etc (which are not much of an issue now, but you never know). > > I honestly don't recall 3.16 ever leaving Beta. Either I completely > forgot, or somehow I never knew. I'll check with Joe. > > If a complete 3.16 package can be put together (in the form of a ZIP file, > following the 3.14 directory structure), there is no particular need to > keep the 3.14 and 3.15 binaries in it; they are always available in the > archive here. > > Another thing to keep in mind; the full IBM PC distribution (the MSVIBM.ZIP > file unzipped) for 3.14 fit on a 1.44MB diskette. I think there were only a > couple bytes to spare! It could be used on a PC that had no hard drive (and > no UNZIP program) simply by sticking it into the diskette drive and running it > from there. That would also be a goal for any new release. > > - Frank -------------- As Frank noted, please visit netlab1.usu.edu or netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (same IP number for both) If connecting via FTP then cd kermit. If using a web browser then "Complete File Archives" and then "kermit." Sources and binaries are there. There are only minor differences between the beta and final release of MSK 3.16. The top level directory listing is MSK315.ZIP 18-Sep-1997 04:07 480K MSK316.CHG 13-Oct-2003 09:08 6.7K MSK316.ZIP 13-Oct-2003 09:11 1.0M MSK31610.ZIP 04-Mar-2003 00:13 826K MSVIBM.TEK 03-Mar-1991 06:23 35K MSVIBM.VT 10-Mar-1998 03:52 73K [DIR] SOURCE/ 20-Sep-2004 11:49 where we see that the binary distribution zip file fits onto a floppy. For many years there has been no demand to embellish MSK, thus it remains at the 3.16 level. Appologies for not plunging into the conversation earlier, but Usenet feeds were terminated at my previous establishment and I had not picked up a new feed at my present place. Thanks to Frank for alerting me to the current discussion. Joe D. (in Oxford) jrd@cc.usu.edu, joe.doupnik@oucs.ox.ac.uk From fdc@panix.com Fri Aug 25 10:52:52 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Writing a clipboard to file? Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156517486 6624 166.84.1.2 (25 Aug 2006 14:51:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:51:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15550 On 2006-08-25, SCOTT CAISSIE wrote: : Using K95 2.1.3. : I was wondering if it was possible to write the clipboard contents (copying : info), directly into a file. : K95 doesn't have a \v(clipboard) variable that you can refer to programmatically, but there is a keyboard verb, \Kpaste, that pastes from the clipoard. By default, this is assigned to Shift-Insert: . If K95 is in its terminal screen, then \Kpaste sends the clipboard contents to the host (if the clipboard contains text). . If K95 is in its command screen, \Kpaste inserts the text from the clipboard where the cursor is. Of course, if you have Notepad or other text editor open, you can also paste into it. But these are all manual operations. Offhand, I can't think of a way to write the clipboard contents directly into a file. Perhaps in the next release we can consider adding a \v(clipboard) variable. : Basically what I'm trying to do, is copy info from certain files which K95 : can't directly read properly, then have it write to a .txt file and : immidately process that. : *The info being copied is just raw text. : Maybe there is a way do this after all. The file interface (FOPEN/FREAD/FWRITE/FCLOSE) has a lot of options. If can describe the problem in more detail maybe I can suggest a way around it. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Aug 25 11:19:04 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Writing a clipboard to file? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:18:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1156519081 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:18:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:18:01 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15551 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-08-25, SCOTT CAISSIE wrote: > : Using K95 2.1.3. > : I was wondering if it was possible to write the clipboard contents (copying > : info), directly into a file. > : > K95 doesn't have a \v(clipboard) variable that you can refer to > programmatically, but there is a keyboard verb, \Kpaste, that pastes from > the clipoard. By default, this is assigned to Shift-Insert: The variable you are looking for is \v(select). Text selected with the mouse in K95 is stored in the \v(select) variable. This is independent of the Windows clipboard and can be used for writing macros that manipulate the selection contents. Jeffrey Altman From igor@nospam.invalid Sun Aug 27 15:21:46 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 25 Aug 2006 17:46:28 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 85 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156520790 13982 156.35.97.40 (25 Aug 2006 15:46:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:46:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15552 Frank da Cruz wrote: > This is explained in MSR314.ANN: > > KERMIT.EXE is the full version of 3.14. > KERMITE.EXE is the medium version - no networking, no graphics. > KERLITE.EXE is the "Light" version (remote mode only, no communications) > (the Light version was for use in BBS's, to provide a decent Kermit protocol > on the BBS end of the connection). > > MSK315[MNL].EXE correspond to those, more or less. > I don't suppose these variants were ever built for 3.16. Hi again, Frank! Thank you very much for the detailed description of these files. I will carefully read MSR314.ANN. In any case, I guess I will continue with C-Kermit. The 286 computer (a Siemens PCD-2V) has arrived with a serious damage in the HDD and the LCD display broken even being protected in an aluminium case. I suppose there is no way to fix it now and, even if it is possible, it will probably not make sense these days. I think the logistics company did not manage the package with care. > It has been a long time since I looked at any of this. 3.14 was the last > integrated release. We didn't have time to do all the updating of > documentation and other files for 3.15, so instead we gave different names to > the executables so the 3.15 files could be installed on top of the 3.14 ones > without destroying anything. Then we did the same thing again with 3.16. In this case, it is better not renaming these files even if it means that 3.15/3.16 will not fit on a single 3 1/2" HDD floppy disk? Certainly, documentation should be synchronized with binaries. It is a good goal for any software product. > Once you look at all the files that had to be updated -- HLP, BWR, ANN, UPD, > DOC, etc etc, you'll see it's a big job. Not to mention the binaries for > non-IBM-compatibles like the DEC Rainbow, NEC APC, HP-150, Heath/Zenith 100, > etc (which are not much of an issue now, but you never know). Well, I am really interested in getting an HP-150 II as a terminal to my HP 9000 workstation. Kermit will probably not be very useful on one of these terminal but, as you say, you never know! :-) > I honestly don't recall 3.16 ever leaving Beta. Either I completely > forgot, or somehow I never knew. I'll check with Joe. > > If a complete 3.16 package can be put together (in the form of a ZIP file, > following the 3.14 directory structure), there is no particular need to > keep the 3.14 and 3.15 binaries in it; they are always available in the > archive here. You are absolutely right! We need a full distribution with the right directory structure before dropping earlier releases of MS-DOS Kermit. It would be a nice, but perhaps very low priority, task. Just avoiding the nightmare of lack of synchronization between docs and binaries is a good goal. I certainly have some doubts about how right is the decision of renaming the new binaries to overwrite the old ones on the current scenario. > Another thing to keep in mind; the full IBM PC distribution (the MSVIBM.ZIP > file unzipped) for 3.14 fit on a 1.44MB diskette. I think there were only a > couple bytes to spare! It could be used on a PC that had no hard drive (and > no UNZIP program) simply by sticking it into the diskette drive and running it > from there. That would also be a goal for any new release. It is certainly a requirement! Being able to run MS-DOS Kermit from a diskette is very useful for machines that do not have HDDs. These machines are usually XTs, and these systems do not support high-density diskettes in most cases, but it is an excellent goal in any case. Thanks a lot for the detailed description of the different file sets and why binaries are named in a different way. I will carefully read the MSR314.ANN now. In any case, I think that this excellent computer is now dead as a consequence of lack of care when shipping and getting an updated MS-DOS Kermit release is not an issue for me at this moment. I will continue running C-Kermit on NetBSD, OpenBSD, HP-UX, IRIX, Solaris and SINIX. By the way, I will try to build new binaries for SINIX-P 5.42A10 as soon as the new release is available. Best regards, Igor. From igor@nospam.invalid Sun Aug 27 15:36:17 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 25 Aug 2006 18:07:36 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 52 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <1156493036.391671.253700@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156522059 15462 156.35.97.40 (25 Aug 2006 16:07:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:07:39 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15553 jrd wrote: > As Frank noted, please visit > netlab1.usu.edu or netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (same IP number for > both) > If connecting via FTP then cd kermit. > If using a web browser then "Complete File Archives" and then "kermit." > Sources and binaries are there. There are only minor differences > between the beta and final release of MSK 3.16. > The top level directory listing is > MSK315.ZIP 18-Sep-1997 04:07 480K > MSK316.CHG 13-Oct-2003 09:08 6.7K > MSK316.ZIP 13-Oct-2003 09:11 1.0M > MSK31610.ZIP 04-Mar-2003 00:13 826K > MSVIBM.TEK 03-Mar-1991 06:23 35K > MSVIBM.VT 10-Mar-1998 03:52 73K > [DIR] SOURCE/ 20-Sep-2004 11:49 Thanks a lot for this information. I downloaded some of these files yesterday using ftp (nice to see that FTP is supported yet instead of being replaced with HTTP). Indeed, there are only minor differences between the 7th. beta release and the final release of MS-DOS Kermit (in fact, only a fix to avoid the status value of "END" being ignored in the 8th. beta release is documented). In any case, any fix is very valuable. > where we see that the binary distribution zip file fits onto a floppy. > For many years there has been no demand to embellish MSK, thus it > remains at the 3.16 level. But, as observed by Frank, that binary will require a lot of support files (mostly documentation files). Most files in MSK316.ZIP are the source code, not related with a binary distribution of Kermit for MS-DOS. Don't tried it, but it should fit on a single diskette when replacing the files in previous MS-DOS Kermit releases too. > Appologies for not plunging into the conversation earlier, but > Usenet feeds were terminated at my previous establishment and I had not > picked up a new feed at my present place. Thanks to Frank for alerting > me to the current discussion. Don't worry at all. By the way, thanks a lot for joining this thread from your current place! And thanks a lot to Frank too for alerting you. On MS-DOS Kermit issues you are the right person to contact! > Joe D. (in Oxford) > jrd@cc.usu.edu, joe.doupnik@oucs.ox.ac.uk I am looking for a post-doctoral position right now! ;-) Best regards and, again, thank you for joining this thread. Igor. From fdc@panix.com Sun Aug 27 15:37:25 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156707292 268 166.84.1.2 (27 Aug 2006 19:34:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:34:52 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15554 On 2006-08-25, Igor Sobrado wrote: : Well, I am really interested in getting an HP-150 II as a terminal : to my HP 9000 workstation. Kermit will probably not be very useful : on one of these terminal but, as you say, you never know! :-) : MS-DOS Kermit was fully supported on the HP-150 up to a certain point; we did the port ourselves. We used it here extensively in the days when we had HP-150s on the desktop and HP-UX servers. The binaries are labeled MSVHP1 (as opposed to MSVHPX for the HP-110 portable). I believe 3.10 of March 1991 was the last release for both. Somebody with access to these platforms and the appropriate development tools could probably build the newer versions. The HP version of MS-DOS Kermit was interesting in that, like the DEC Rainbow version, it had no terminal emulation code. None was needed, the PC console itself was a real terminal -- HP2161 in this case, as I recall, and it also had graphics capabilities; you could connect it to an HP pen plotter to print the graphics in color. Of course you could also print them in monochrome on the little thermal printer imbedded in its "head". I believe, btw, the HP-150 was the first PC with 3.5-inch diskettes. : I will continue running C-Kermit on NetBSD, OpenBSD, HP-UX, IRIX, : Solaris and SINIX. By the way, I will try to build new binaries : for SINIX-P 5.42A10 as soon as the new release is available. : Believe it or not, I have a Siemens Nixdorf RM-200 with SINIX 5.42. It was one of the few machines I was able to save the recent "cleanup": http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/museum I hope it still works! (A few years ago, after it was soaked in waterfall, it continued to work after it dried out.) - Frank From eravin@panix.com Wed Aug 30 14:31:40 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: on a 286 or 386? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1156730924 11485 166.84.1.5 (28 Aug 2006 02:08:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15555 >From somewhere in cyberspace, Igor Sobrado said: >[...] Ok, I guess I know the answers... >DOS is an ancient operating system. In fact, my choice would be >NetBSD and C-Kermit for that computer if it is somewhat better than >a 286, but looking for a Unix or Unix-like OS for a 16-bit PC is a >challenging task! Got any copies of IBM Xenix lying around? Actually it was written by Microsoft, just like the other operating system IBM offered for the PC-AT. I'm sure Kermit will run just fine on it... -- Ed "and I'm sure SCO will be willing to sell you a license for it..." -- Ed Ravin | "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as | well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the eravin@ | streets, and to steal bread." panix.com | --Anatole France, Le Lys Rouge [1894] From igor@nospam.invalid Wed Aug 30 14:32:02 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: on a 286 or 386? Date: 28 Aug 2006 10:20:55 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 16 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156753257 6881 156.35.97.40 (28 Aug 2006 08:20:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:20:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15557 Ed Ravin wrote: > > Got any copies of IBM Xenix lying around? Actually it was written by > Microsoft, just like the other operating system IBM offered for the PC-AT. > I'm sure Kermit will run just fine on it... Indeed! Both IBM/Microsoft Xenix or SCO Xenix/286 would be great, but I have no licenses/media for them. I was looking for an old MINIX release too, but do not know how useful will it be for real work. (I wrote *old* MINIX.) I looked for COHERENT too, but the only release that seems available for free (4.2.10) is for 32-bit processors. I should look for COHERENT 3.x instead, but media is not available. Thanks for your advice, Igor. From igor@nospam.invalid Wed Aug 30 14:33:01 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 28 Aug 2006 10:14:55 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 51 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: <1fdFg.7958$rI5.2871@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1156752897 12011 156.35.97.40 (28 Aug 2006 08:14:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:14:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15556 Frank da Cruz wrote: > MS-DOS Kermit was fully supported on the HP-150 up to a certain point; we did > the port ourselves. We used it here extensively in the days when we had > HP-150s on the desktop and HP-UX servers. The binaries are labeled MSVHP1 (as > opposed to MSVHPX for the HP-110 portable). I believe 3.10 of March 1991 was > the last release for both. Somebody with access to these platforms and the > appropriate development tools could probably build the newer versions. It is nice to know that there are binaries for these old but excellent computers available yet. If I get one of these in the future, I will do my best to build some updated binaries and upload them to the anonymous FTP area at the project. > The HP version of MS-DOS Kermit was interesting in that, like the DEC Rainbow > version, it had no terminal emulation code. None was needed, the PC console > itself was a real terminal -- HP2161 in this case, as I recall, and it also > had graphics capabilities; you could connect it to an HP pen plotter to print > the graphics in color. Of course you could also print them in monochrome on > the little thermal printer imbedded in its "head". Indeed, very nice machines. Without an operating system disk, these machines become excellent terminals for the HP 9000 series workstations and servers. In fact, the HP-150 II even had a touch screen. > I believe, btw, the HP-150 was the first PC with 3.5-inch diskettes. We have some HP-150 3.5-inch diskettes now. We are unable to read them because its format was not compatible with the standard choosed by PC manufacturers. > : I will continue running C-Kermit on NetBSD, OpenBSD, HP-UX, IRIX, > : Solaris and SINIX. By the way, I will try to build new binaries > : for SINIX-P 5.42A10 as soon as the new release is available. > : > Believe it or not, I have a Siemens Nixdorf RM-200 with SINIX 5.42. It was > one of the few machines I was able to save the recent "cleanup": > > http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/museum Indeed, I remember that machine. It was a gift from Siemens Nixdorf for the development of C-Kermit on it. An excellent workstation. However, SINIX-P is not binary compatible with the RM-200. It runs on the RM 600 servers (SNI machines based on Pyramid technology). Building binaries for both platforms makes sense. These machines are very different computers. > I hope it still works! (A few years ago, after it was soaked in waterfall, > it continued to work after it dried out.) Well, it is a german machine. It should work reliably yet. :-) From malonespam@cox.net Sat Sep 2 14:21:05 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unix Async Server Date: 1 Sep 2006 11:25:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1157135140.680149.176700@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157135145 4749 127.0.0.1 (1 Sep 2006 18:25:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:25:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15558 I am having difficulties transferring files to a Unix Async Server using Kermit 95 2.1.3 and any assistance would really be appreciated. Here is the situation: I connect to two separate Unix Async Servers and attempt to upload at least 3 files a week. From time to time I can transfer files correctly but the odds of that happening are not good. I tried using the TAPI configurations in K95 to control the connection process but I must still be missing something since the transmission soon after the file transfer starts. I also tried to not use TAPI configuration at all and let K95 to control the connection. Unfortunately, that does not work either. Nothing to brag about but I can transfer the files successfully using HyperTerminal. Why would I be able to transmit the file using HT but not K95? This is the only server style that I am having difficulties transferring files to. I should also mention that I can receive files from the same servers without a problem. At this time I cannot be sure that it is the general connection and not some other configuration. Again any assistance in the problem would be greatly appreciated. From nospam@lisse.NA Sat Sep 2 14:29:24 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Eberhard Lisse Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:22:29 +0100 Organization: For email replace nospam with el Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nospam@lisse.NA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net fNKXzAhw+VsXL3asm9y7Swpq4bvzNa0RgbmAdn9TvHNe6Xkc9X X-Orig-Path: ac.lisse.NA!news User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15559 Igor, with all due respect, Kermit was what brought me to computing during Medical School 25 years ago, and eventually after playing with an enormous variety of Kermits via a few detours (Xenix, Minix, Linux, X25, UUCP, TCP/IP) lead to Namibia being connected to the Internet and me (now an Obstetrician & Gynaecologist) still running .NA, but why *ON EARTH* would one want to play with a 286 today? You can get reasonable PCs for 200-300 Euro these days, put up linux and if you really feel retro bring MS-DOS up on WINE. Then you do some serious searching for the SIMTEL archieves where you should find an assembler that should get Kermit 3.16. There was a very decent MAKE.EXE out there if I recall correctly. But if it's only a terminal you are looking for, ATerm on the iMini comes to mind, and C-Kermit runs there too. greetings, el on 8/17/06 2:26 PM Igor Sobrado said the following: > I want to run MS Kermit in a DOS computer (an old but excellent i80286, > it is not a joke); this computer will be a DEC VT compatible terminal > with file transfer functionality. -- If you want to email me, replace nospam with el From fdc@panix.com Sat Sep 2 14:29:32 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix Async Server Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <1157135140.680149.176700@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1157221705 2020 166.84.1.2 (2 Sep 2006 18:28:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:28:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15560 On 2006-09-01, malone wrote: : I am having difficulties transferring files to a Unix Async Server : using Kermit 95 2.1.3 and any assistance would really be appreciated. : : Here is the situation: : I connect to two separate Unix Async Servers and attempt to upload at : least 3 files a week. : Using Kermit protocol? : From time to time I can transfer files correctly : but the odds of that happening are not good. I tried using the TAPI : configurations in K95 to control the connection process but I must : still be missing something since the transmission soon after the file : transfer starts. I also tried to not use TAPI configuration at all and : let K95 to control the connection. Unfortunately, that does not work : either. : Are you using a modem, or is it a direct connection? What does "show communications" say about flow control? You should be using RTS/CTS if the modem supports it, or if it is a direct connection, if the async server supports it and your cable is a true Null Modem cable with its RTS and CTS wires crossed. : Nothing to brag about but I can transfer the files successfully using : HyperTerminal. Why would I be able to transmit the file using HT but : not K95? : Because Hyperterminal always uses the slowest possible Kermit protocol configuration -- short packets, no sliding windows, etc. You can test this theory by giving the "robust" command to Kermit before uploading. This tells Kermit to use very short packets and disables sliding windows, among other things, making it sort of like HyperTerminal. But better to get best kind of flow control enabled. RTS/CTS is best, if the cable and the other devices support it too, otherwise Xon/Xoff. The device or computer to which Kermit is directly connected (either the modem or the async server) must be configured for the same kind of flow control. If this doesn't help, then the next question would be: exactly what is the async server, and what software are you running on it to receive the files? - Frank From igor@nospam.invalid Wed Sep 6 11:32:53 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 6 Sep 2006 15:59:53 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 36 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1157551196 2912 156.35.97.40 (6 Sep 2006 13:59:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15561 Eberhard Lisse wrote: > > You can get reasonable PCs for 200-300 Euro these days, put up linux and > if you really feel retro bring MS-DOS up on WINE. Then you do some > serious searching for the SIMTEL archieves where you should find an > assembler that should get Kermit 3.16. There was a very decent MAKE.EXE > out there if I recall correctly. > > But if it's only a terminal you are looking for, ATerm on the iMini > comes to mind, and C-Kermit runs there too. Hello, el. The main reason for using that computer is that, if it is not in use, it will be dropped in a wastebasket. It is a good and quiet Siemens computer with an excellent keyboard and a LCD display. The quality of that display is only comparable to the black-on-white display on my Siemens Nixdorf 97801 terminal. I know that it is not the state on the art on computing. I have other systems (mainly Sun SPARCs, SGI workstations and HP servers) more powerful. For i386-based computers, I certainly prefer OpenBSD or NetBSD: lightweight, secure and powerful high-quality operating systems. It is just that I do not want to see that computer in a wastebasket. I started using MS-DOS Kermit 15 years ago, to establish a 1200 bps connection from my house to a VAX system running OpenVMS at the Department of Chemistry of my University. I just do not want to see this 286 computer in a wastebasket, that is the reason I asked for it. For a simple terminal, a small 386+ computer with a BSD or Linux operating system and cu(1) is just perfect, agreed. Best regards, Igor. From igor@nospam.invalid Wed Sep 6 11:32:53 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16? Date: 6 Sep 2006 15:59:53 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 36 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1157551196 2912 156.35.97.40 (6 Sep 2006 13:59:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15561 Eberhard Lisse wrote: > > You can get reasonable PCs for 200-300 Euro these days, put up linux and > if you really feel retro bring MS-DOS up on WINE. Then you do some > serious searching for the SIMTEL archieves where you should find an > assembler that should get Kermit 3.16. There was a very decent MAKE.EXE > out there if I recall correctly. > > But if it's only a terminal you are looking for, ATerm on the iMini > comes to mind, and C-Kermit runs there too. Hello, el. The main reason for using that computer is that, if it is not in use, it will be dropped in a wastebasket. It is a good and quiet Siemens computer with an excellent keyboard and a LCD display. The quality of that display is only comparable to the black-on-white display on my Siemens Nixdorf 97801 terminal. I know that it is not the state on the art on computing. I have other systems (mainly Sun SPARCs, SGI workstations and HP servers) more powerful. For i386-based computers, I certainly prefer OpenBSD or NetBSD: lightweight, secure and powerful high-quality operating systems. It is just that I do not want to see that computer in a wastebasket. I started using MS-DOS Kermit 15 years ago, to establish a 1200 bps connection from my house to a VAX system running OpenVMS at the Department of Chemistry of my University. I just do not want to see this 286 computer in a wastebasket, that is the reason I asked for it. For a simple terminal, a small 386+ computer with a BSD or Linux operating system and cu(1) is just perfect, agreed. Best regards, Igor. From malonespam@cox.net Wed Sep 13 16:27:05 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix Async Server Date: 11 Sep 2006 08:57:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1157990235.877669.91140@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <1157135140.680149.176700@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.210.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157990240 17810 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2006 15:57:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:57:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.210.191.2; posting-account=LxXIuA0AAAA2dCHaJqSV7RGvG1JOzZSs Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15562 Sorry I was not able to respond till now, I really appreciate your help in this matter. > Using Kermit protocol? Unfortunately I am only able to use Zmodem protocol > Are you using a modem, or is it a direct connection? I am using a modem. > What does "show communications" say about flow control? Flow Control is set to Auto. Should RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff be specified or does K95 choose the best flow control available? Thank you ~Malone From root@127.0.0.1 Wed Sep 13 16:29:18 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:04:34 -0500 From: "User" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Basic question: how to disable linemode when using Kermit for Telnet? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:04:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Trace: sv3-2NO0LbPBg5F0WgJY4Id0rHFo6+TY53i9evHvxu4S2Tcotzs5hjhzGO7f3LzvgKuitYOKyx1bYOEdHWS!KL/yGtxHpd4Nvz+rwMPqdFG357fofOM6ItwRCVO+aer9Y4EMUzX9OYHFokZCuDbGUuq5vETEEw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15563 This is a simple question that I couldn't find the answer to in Kermit's help or looking through google. How do disable linemode when using telnet in Kermit (i.e. enable character-by-character mode)? I am using Kermit 95 v2.1.3. Any insight would be appreciated. From fdc@panix.com Wed Sep 13 16:30:55 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix Async Server Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1157135140.680149.176700@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1157990235.877669.91140@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1158179334 3059 166.84.1.3 (13 Sep 2006 20:28:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:28:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15564 On 2006-09-11, malone wrote: : Sorry I was not able to respond till now, I really appreciate your help : in this matter. : :> Using Kermit protocol? : Unfortunately I am only able to use Zmodem protocol : :> Are you using a modem, or is it a direct connection? : I am using a modem. : :> What does "show communications" say about flow control? : Flow Control is set to Auto. Should RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff be specified or : does K95 choose the best flow control available? : AUTO means Kermit will try to do that if it thinks the modem supports it. But that depends on whatever "knowledge base" Kermit is using, and what kind of modem it thinks it is. If the modem indeed supports RTS/CTS (as every modern modem does), it can't hurt to set that explicitly in Kermit: set flow rts/cts - Frank From fdc@panix.com Wed Sep 13 16:30:58 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Basic question: how to disable linemode when using Kermit for Telnet? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1158179440 3059 166.84.1.3 (13 Sep 2006 20:30:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:30:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15565 On 2006-09-11, User wrote: : This is a simple question that I couldn't find the answer to in Kermit's : help or looking through google. : How do disable linemode when using telnet in Kermit (i.e. enable : character-by-character mode)? : : I am using Kermit 95 v2.1.3. : It's not using linemode. It is doing character-by-character. Why do you think it's linemode? Are you accessing an IBM mainframe? If you are seeing linemode behavior, probably it's the server, not Kermit, that's doing it. - Frank From root@127.0.0.1 Wed Sep 20 14:15:31 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:30:34 -0500 From: "User" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: Basic question: how to disable linemode when using Kermit for Telnet? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:29:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Trace: sv3-EkyTUetmDTL1g6lOt7H8+/sSzIuzclmL0f0Jffn/QTVNuxbF0QVDs3HllPh9N3vcTt9zhviWX+3r8/Y!LLsO7TlB4CVEPYwXusZ7nDv0CuF0eQ2zjUAZef/Ow/U5rXVbltSFeOIoXW8NWSRrxoRvaUEmzg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15566 "Frank Da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrneggqjg.aei.fdc@panix3.panix.com... > On 2006-09-11, User wrote: > : This is a simple question that I couldn't find the answer to in Kermit's > : help or looking through google. > : How do disable linemode when using telnet in Kermit (i.e. enable > : character-by-character mode)? > : > : I am using Kermit 95 v2.1.3. > : > It's not using linemode. It is doing character-by-character. Why do you > think it's linemode? Are you accessing an IBM mainframe? If you are > seeing linemode behavior, probably it's the server, not Kermit, that's > doing it. > > - Frank My error. I decoded one of telnet's commands incorrectly in the trace. I generated a script file which enabled me to disable some of the telnet options which was causing login problems. My only other question is: Is there a way to have the dialer use the modifed script file (since there are no GUI for disabling these options) or is the script only one way (i.e. dialer generates script file which one must use from then on)? From fdc@panix.com Wed Sep 20 14:22:47 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Basic question: how to disable linemode when using Kermit for Telnet? Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1158776556 5959 166.84.1.2 (20 Sep 2006 18:22:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:22:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15567 On 2006-09-19, User wrote: : : "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message : news:slrneggqjg.aei.fdc@panix3.panix.com... :> On 2006-09-11, User wrote: :> : This is a simple question that I couldn't find the answer to in Kermit's :> : help or looking through google. :> : How do disable linemode when using telnet in Kermit (i.e. enable :> : character-by-character mode)? :> : :> : I am using Kermit 95 v2.1.3. :> : :> It's not using linemode. It is doing character-by-character. Why do you :> think it's linemode? Are you accessing an IBM mainframe? If you are :> seeing linemode behavior, probably it's the server, not Kermit, that's :> doing it. : : My error. I decoded one of telnet's commands incorrectly in the trace. : You can get a pre-decoded trace by using Kermit's SET TELNET DEBUG ON. : I generated a script file which enabled me to disable some of the telnet : options which was causing login problems. : : My only other question is: Is there a way to have the dialer use the modifed : script file (since there are no GUI for disabling these options) or is the : script only one way (i.e. dialer generates script file which one must use : from then on)? : Right click on the Dialer entry, choose Edit, then choose the Keyboard dialog. In the text box, put any commands you want. These will be executed after the other commands in the Dialer script. That way you can undo unwanted settings, add new ones, whatever you want. Another method would be to save the Dialer script to a file (using the Short toolbar button), then edit the file, and then instead of using the Dialer to launch the connection, just double-click on the script, or any shortcut to it. Since the Dialer is just a script writer, you can bypass it altogether, and write your own script containing exactly the commands you want. Call it xxx.ksc, where xxx is any name of your choice, but the filetype has to be ".ksc", which is associated with K95. Double click on the script or any shortcut to it to launch the connection (or do anything else the script might do.) - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Tue Sep 26 08:31:41 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Quick question on patch v2.2 Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:22:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.167.63.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1158823377 142.167.63.56 (Thu, 21 Sep 2006 04:22:57 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 04:22:57 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15568 How does the cost work with the patch? I currently have a site licence of 125. Is the cost 125 x $75 or just $75? - Scott From dold@XXBootXXXp.usenet.us.com Tue Sep 26 08:32:23 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!192.160.13.7.MISMATCH!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XXBootXXXp.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Boot>" prompt from a USR modem. Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 54 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1159132159 26815 192.160.13.38 (24 Sep 2006 21:09:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:09:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.0.2.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15569 I have a US Robotics internal PCI modem, circa 2000. This is noted in WinXP msinfo as a Modem type: U.S. Robotics 56K Voice PCI Modem inf section: Modem1008_BABA Matching hardware ID: pci\ven_12b9&dev_1008&subsys_baba12b9&rev_01 This has been working fine, but now, it won't come up as a Tapi modem, and if I connect Kermit directly to com3, instead of the messages that "AT" used to give, I get some odd messages. at Boot> ati 83329800 Boot> ati1 10DE Boot> ati2 1.6 7/4/0 Boot> ati3 00000000000000000000000000000002 Boot> ati4 FFFF 2BAF Boot> ati5 AMD, HYUNDAI, INTEL, MICRON, ST, TI Boot> Dell support says that I need new drivers which they can't talk about because I upgraded from WinME to WinXP, and didn't get WinXP from them. I thought this looked more like an aborted firmware load, and would like to reflash firmware, but since it is a Dell-OEM modem, I can't locate any downloads at USR/3com for it, and Dell won't talk about it. Is this a Winmodem with bad drivers, a bad flash that I might be able to reload, or should I just give up and get a new modem? I don't use the modem very often at all. The only reason I even noticed is that it got stuck in an initialization loop and slowed the computer down horribly. svchost.exe was consuming 98% of CPU. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5